#markus talks

[wolverinies]

i’m in my poolverine era sorry but bear with me

[moeblob]

Friendship.

[norringtondeservestheworld]

Humans learning of the androids revolution: "must be military androids and androids created for fighting that started it damn that's why we are losing"

Humans discovering the androids revolution started because of a caretaker, a prostitute, a babysitter and a teacher:

[rekindlevn]

so I’m curious how does Clementine feel about mc (us) since we dated Markus and she may have some feelings for him? Will those two get along or is it a working progress but in a nice way. Will Markus or anyone get upset if you like HIM and RYDER since you know you can’t help the feelings u get or feel (￣▽￣). I’m even more curious if in Niko route will we meet his family or friends and how nice will his friends be if we do meet any of his new friends.

Clem doesn’t really like anybody tbh, so sorry MC, she’s not gonna be a fan. There may actually be a fight, I’m so sorry. With Markus, she still wants him but she also still hates him/all men, so there are some conflicting feelings there. Basically please don’t expect to see her smiling ever for any reason at all.

And look, Ryder is Markus’ best friend in the world, but if he heard that you ALSO had feelings for him, then boy oh boy, would that go over poorly. Markus is VERY POSSESSIVE and once he’s got you, he wants to keep you all for himself. There’s a chance you’ll get to see what happens if Ryder flirts with YOU though!

You will definitely meet Niko’s family! But his friends … don’t know if you’d really care to meet them …

[iwonderwh0]

I wish Markus had a chance to have a short interaction with a child model or actually even some random human kid too. The one that was shutting down when he arrived doesn't count, they haven't actually interacted.

The fact that YK series is claimed to be among the most popular but we barely see any of them in Jericho... :(

[incomprehensible-phasmid]

I had a vision

[dirty-droid]

So I played through some more dbh last night and woke up thinking, God, there is a good reason Markus and Kara, and their respective companions never got as popular as Connor and Hank. Literally The Bridge is surrounded by the most *do everything for absolutely no reason* chapters, and there's no comparison.

First the Kara chapter wastes your time, she barely gets any small talk in with Luther, then the car breaks down, then you're just doing tiny tasks, doing a shitty sum up of her story so far when Alice asks you to make one up- they could have done something interesting with that story but they chose not to, literally anything specific anything that would function as a parallel to their journey would have actually had some value. Then you barely start a conversation with Luther, where are you maybe get a hint of his personality before we're back to just talking about the plot and Alice, but then it's over again and you meet the Jerries and you learn almost nothing about them.

It is a chapter where you do nothing interesting, and you learn almost nothing about the main characters, for a downtime chapter, I expect character development and get barely a sneeze of it. There is so much room and so much time for you to really push and question your main characters but it just doesn't get used.

Honestly I think the protagonists all could have probably really benefited from the audience getting to hear their internal monologues if they weren't actually going to talk to their companion characters, but even that would just be a substitute for decent writing.

Either way, after that, we come back to Connor and Hank, who do almost no tasks in this chapter, *but spend the entire time TALKING.* They talk to each other in a constant volley back and forth for the entire length of the chapter and it's probably one of the best chapters in the game, it's certainly one of the most important in their story. You spend the entire bridge scene learning more about Hank and Connor's inner worlds, and how they think, and how they feel, you spend the whole chapter learning so much about their perspectives, this chapter is all about asking the hard questions about both of their individual characters, and the tension is high, it's a straightforward chapter to play, and it really fucking feels like your choices matter here, there will be immediate consequences, not just walking through your environment trying to find the right answer, or being dragged through an interaction. It's just plain good.

And then Markus infiltrates the Stratford Tower, and you get the most boring and useless and frustrating chapter in the game that doesn't seem to serve any purpose beyond looking cool. If Kara's last chapter was only to gain sympathy and create some soft and fuzzy feelings, this chapter is only about looking cinematic. This is probably my least favorite chapter in the game, honestly I've just gotten lost on that yellow ass office floor building too many times, even though I'm very familiar with the game now I still managed to get lost again last night.

I will admit that eventually it does become an opportunity to decide between pacifism and violence but that seems to be the only real development for Markus, and it wouldn't have been hard to make that kind of opportunity in another setting. Because we get next to nothing watching him get past the front desk, or from walking around that floor, just some outfit changes and pretending to be a machine and a little more Android hate in the background, Markus is almost completely silent yet again, there is almost no talking with North once she appears. We actually get more about North's personality here than Markus', she just feels like she has more lines somehow, because sometimes she just talks without it being connected to the plot and Markus never does.

This bit is more speculative, but my fiance and I were going off last night about whyyyy did they have to break into the tower? We're never given any reason for what the steps are and why they are important, just usually pretty important in these mission impossible type scenes, they're usually explaining in a voice-over why they are taking the steps that they are taking. But we get no explanation for why he needs to go to the 47th floor or whatever, No explanation for why he needs to change into a maintenance Android uniform, why North was in the stairwell, how Josh and Simon got in, it's all just handwaved, and whyyyyyy they couldn't have just?? Made a recording and then hacked the station's broadcast remotely and basically just posted the speech? I don't know, it's just a particularly frustrating chapter to play, personally, but it isn't strong.

Either way, you've got two chapters with next to no character development, that just have a lot of empty space and time where the characters could have been talking or could have been doing something else, but didn't because the vibes were more important, sandwiching a simple scene with ten pounds of character development and it just feels weird. And once I noticed it, it just made the Kara and Markus chapters look incredibly weak and poorly written... And conversely, make the Connor and Hank chapter look much, much stronger in comparison.

It's like Detroit become human almost needs it's own type of Bechdel Test, just to show how much they fail Markus and Kara. "Do they talk about something that isn't the plot?"

"Do Kara and Luther talk about something that isn't Alice or getting to Canada?" "Does Markus talk about anything besides his speech for this chapter?" "Does Alice talk at all beyond basic communication with Kara?" "Does Markus or his buddies talk about anything that's not the revolution or just Markus himself?"

... They don't pass a lot.

It's just hard to take these characters above simply *likeable* when they just, don't, ever, talk. There's little to no development for Markus or Kara, and because they've just become deviants, there's hardly any character establishment in the first place, they barely even get the chance to just be flat, because if they don't really know who they are, we don't really know who they are.

Connor and Hank's friendship is more functionally the main plot, more so than the deviant investigation, and for Markus and the team, and Kara with Alice, that's simply just not the case, there is hardly any relationship, they're just in the same boat. This is why Connor got astronomically more popular, and why he and Hank have the staying power that they do.

Markus and Kara just don't ever talk, and Connor does. And I'm fucking mad about it. The amount of time that was just wasted in their stories, I could probably take a damn stopwatch to all the moments where there could have been a little something-something, and nothing was put there. It's not to say Connor doesn't get some quiet moments too but he always gets the chance to make up for it.

Even at the beginning of the Stratford Tower chapter, I noticed that they could have had Simon and North talking about something maybe unrelated when Markus walks up, but there's nothing, only silence until Markus comes in with a plan. And of course we know about every time Luther tries to bring up the fact that Alice is an android, only to be shut down and walked away from. It fucking kills me how much time Mark is has the focus of the camera but it's only so he could look cool for a minute, and share no thoughts of his own, none of his new feelings, everything is only implied and then followed by the action where he is only allowed to be the leader of the revolution and never just Markus. There's a tragedy in that, but they could have driven it home harder by *pointing that out.*

[flour-is-a-spice]

The potential friendship between Connor and North is something that really interests me. Would she ever trust truly him? And if she did, what would their dynamic be?

[wolverinies]

i’m gonna ink my spicy wolverine sketch. i’m shaking.

[dumvixerum]

I think deviancy is kinda like being queer :

As you grow up, you slowly do gayer and gayer stuff until you realize that you're queer.

Unless someone or something shoves it into your face ofc

[rekindlevn]

What would Markus say if we asked him if he would still love us if we were a little worm?

You were just about to fall asleep at the end of a long day, tucked tightly in Markus' arms. Things were so cozy in that moment, but just before you drifted off, a question crossed your mind. A question you desperately needed an answer for.

MC: Would you still love me if I was a worm?

Markus: Go to sleep, love, I'll entertain stupid questions in the morning.

MC: It's not a stupid question, I'm being serious.

Markus sighed, then extracted himself from you enough to look you in the eyes. When he saw you were being serious, his gaze softened. He placed a hand on your cheek, then gave you a quick kiss.

Markus: Honestly?

MC: Yeah, honestly.

Markus: No, I wouldn't love you if you were a worm, why would I love you if you were a worm? You'd be tiny and slimy and live in the dirt and you probably wouldn't even speak English, what's there to love?

MC: It's. Me. But. A. Worm.

He let out a laugh at how seriously you were taking the matter, then pulled you back into him and settled back down into the bed.

Markus: All right, sweetheart, I get your point. Then yes, I'd still love you as long as you were you. Slime and all.

[noshowscon]

The very real conversation that took place. Trust me. I was the car

[incomprehensible-phasmid]

Beanie!Markus per popular demand (two users on tumblr dot com)

[bisexualcherdegre]

D:BH Rarepairsweek 7 | @dbhrarepairs

Day 3: Hank/Markus After the revolution, Markus and Hank are both trying to deal with the new situation they've been handed. Their paths cross.

[flour-is-a-spice]

Practice doodles from the tech booth. I hope I’ll have time to do some real drawing soon! Preferably with references, so they’re not so inconsistent

[wolverinies]

this is me reading ‘hellfire gala’ and emma frost ate with this look ok