#luffy vs usopp

[wesleysniperking]

Usopp and Luffy

I wonder if when Usopp and Luffy argue post-Water 7, Luffy has to hold back because he’s afraid Usopp will leave again. Same for Usopp (but I’d think he’d just lock himself in his workshop all day to cool off).

Usopp has a fiery temper, and Luffy’s bull-headed.

Hence their zodiac signs (Aries and Taurus) and they’re so alike but different.

Usopp fan club (join if you want)

[greeneyedsigma]

Ah, Chapter 332: Luffy vs Usopp 😭😤

I may be upset, but I still appreciate mom Zoro telling Chopper and (I think) Nami to go to their rooms

[monkeydluffy19920]

"If this is the end, The tears will be gone with the flood forever"

Going Merry Holidays 2024 (day 3): Luffy vs Usopp - Tide

This amv was about Luffy vs Usopp-case which was left to the to do -pile for years but now finally is done and dusted!

'The song is called "Tide" by a finnish singer Belle Who (known also as Malla Malmivaara) and pretty much describes the feelings the crew (especially Luffy and Usopp went trough in Water 7 arc).

I wrote a long-ish post about this amv so I try not to repeat too much but I really like this arc even after all these years. It was the first big crisis that almost teared the whole crew apart and really challenged not only Luffy as a captain but also rest of the crew to handle the whole thing not only as persons but also as a team.

The first verse is more from Luffy's point of view whereas the second part is more from Usopp's perspective. I've written bunch of thoughts about Usopp in my Reasons to love Mugiwaras-series (link for Usopp's part here) and I've also written a loads of thoughts about this fight and its backgrounds but shortly summarized: the fight between Luffy and Usopp was mostly about his pride. However it deeply roots on Usopp's insecurities and his feeling of being a burden (especially when he was robbed not long time ago) and of course of letting go of Going Merry (which was a gift from Kaya whom he adored a lot).

Although this fight and whole Water 7 and Enies Lobby held loads of emotional baggage and feels, it's written greatly. Oda-sensei did great and gave not only Usopp but also Robin a place to grow as characters. Usopp finally realized as a Sogeking that his unique sniping skills are something no one else from the crew holds and he therefore has a key to save Robin. Then Robin finally realized she found a family that won't abandon her no matter what and after Enies Lobby she definitely started to bloom because she knew she had a safe place she'd craved ever since she was a child.

So all in all, those two arcs deserve the hype *chef's kiss*

(original post here and more thoughts here)

[jester-d-ace]

GUYS

GUYS?!!!

Chapter 331 vs Chapter 1082 Brother against brother, who is the real coward when it's you who's the one giving up?

[animechick2015]

I'm sorry but wtf is up with this arc....

When did this show become so dark??

Robin-chan???

[wesleysniperking]

[jakkenpoy]

[wesleysniperking]

Understanding Usopp's Perspective in Water 7

I still don't understand why people can't grasp that Usopp was only 17 years old during the Water 7 arc. People love to be "objective" and claim Usopp was wrong for challenging his captain, but Luffy wasn't entirely blameless either.

Usopp was the first to notice how unprepared everyone was for the New World, but the rest of the crew seemed in denial or overconfident. How could Usopp voice his insecurities when everyone else apparently had their act together? It felt like, "Yeah, whatever Usopp, you're just a scaredy cat," when, in reality, he was becoming more attuned to the fact that one of the strongest people he knew was starting to lose to the bad guys.

Critics say, "Usopp didn't know how to take orders from his captain," but that's not true. If Luffy was starting to lose, then how prepared were they for the New World? Usopp knew his own limitations and was unsure how to help, leading him to feel like he was losing control. He likely thought, "If everyone else has their act together, then who am I?" He channeled all that into Merry.

I believe Usopp's innate ability to sense danger started to manifest here. Luffy was overestimating himself—from the incident with Kuzan to punching Charlos.

Luffy took the crew, his friends, for granted and didn't realize how much he needed them until after Marineford, when Jinbe gave him a reality check. He couldn't empathize with Usopp because he failed to understand the consequences of being unprepared and powerless. Luffy thought his confidence would be enough for everyone, but it just put them all in danger. There was still some "playing pirate" nonsense going on.

Luffy was also 17 and deserves grace, but apparently, Usopp is the outlier who brings the crew down? Yeah, right. The unconscious bias shows. The privilege shows.

Literally just read a fic where the crew can’t stop beating it into Usopp’s f*cking head how much he “sucked” back in Water 7. Smh. What message does that give? Oh, keep telling someone they suck to the point they go and find the highest building to jump off of? Tough love works…to an extent. But without empathy? Yeah. What a crock of sh*t.

Just needed to get that off my chest.

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[pallaya]

art vs artist

[wesleysniperking]

I’m always so caught off guard by Luffy’s face. That was still a hella fight.

omfg this art

[kappa-sama]

Manga x Anime x Concert-Arts Remake

[choujinx]

NAMI VS KALIFA (2022) by oda eiichirou & boichi

[kacievvbbbb]

I think we as a people deserve to see Usopp and Buggy in the ring, that would be the true event of the Strawhat x Cross Guild Davy back fight.

Their round would be about who could tell the most outrageous lie that would allow them to trip and fall upwards in life. And never before would we have seen two titans of their field go head to head like this.

[wesleysniperking]

I wholeheartedly agree with your take! I’m an Usopp Water 7 defender!

But to be fair I think the insecurities would’ve festered and blown up someway and somehow, and a 17 year old doesn’t necessarily know how to deal with their emotions properly. He should be given grace for that alone.

side rant that probably nobody cares about or agrees with but I need to get this outta my brain. Water 7 made me genuinely upset for Usopp. he was so valid and so right and the rest of the Strawhats were so fucking insensitive and oblivious (except for maybe Nami and Chopper). but like if you seriously think about it, the Going Merry was the only part of his home that Usopp had left. everyone else had their pieces of home. Nami had her tangerine trees, Zoro has the wado ichimonji, Sanji is not only chasing his dream but also fulfilling Zeff's dream (who he owes his life to) in chasing after the All Blue, Chopper has his hat, and Luffy has his hat. you know damn well the rest of them would lose their minds if they lost any of those pieces of their lives and they would be valid in doing so. yet when it comes to Usopp and the only thing he was able to bring from home no one cares? not to mention Usopp ended up being lowkey right about the Merry. Usopp put his everything into that ship. he was the only one repairing her and treating the Merry like she was a real part of the crew and their home. without Usopp's (somewhat shitty) repairs the Merry would've been done with so much sooner than Water 7.

and I'm not saying that Luffy wasn't right about needing a new ship, but the way they went about telling him and how they treated him when he was just upset about it was plain ridiculous. I mean even Luffy was in denial about the leaving the Merry behind but they couldn't even allow Usopp time to grieve losing the last connection he had to his home?? despite all this what really pissed me off about the whole thing was Zoro saying that the only way Usopp could rejoin the crew was if he apologized first. like what??

when it comes to this I'm an usopp defender till I die. I think the crew was seriously effed up for this ngl.

however, I do agree that Usopp's insecurity problems were his own though, and he shoulda delt with that quietly and not projected his insecurities onto Luffy or the others.

[moongothic]

People keep on wanting to see Sanji and Crocodile fight in a Cross Guild match up, and I want to argue a more interesting match up

Crocodile vs Robin

Robin just uses Gigante Fleur to grow a giant version of herself, spits onto Crocodile to moisturize him and then squashes him like a bug

[wesleysniperking]

At this point, any book I read makes me think of Usopp. And this time it results in another Water 7 point I want to make

I understand that One Piece is a shonen series, so certain themes are expected. But when I reflect on Usopp's struggles during Water 7, it bothers me how people still defend Zoro’s words as if they were absolute. Zoro’s beliefs weren’t entirely safe or right. Water 7 touched heavily on themes of manhood, which many Usopp fans have pointed out, especially regarding his relationship with Franky. But when you dig deeper, Usopp deserves more grace and consideration.

Despite what Sanji and Franky did for him, it wasn’t enough. Usopp didn’t have a father figure to help him build the self-confidence every boy—or anyone—needs. Sons often get their self-confidence from their fathers, and without that, Usopp was left to suppress his emotions and internalize his pain. So when people in the fandom argue that Usopp was wrong and shouldn’t have let his “pride” get in the way, it feels unfair. It goes back to the issue of suppressed emotions, which is incredibly damaging without a positive outlet—a skill Usopp was never taught or able to explore.

I also think Usopp might’ve learned the wrong lesson from Water 7, especially when the fandom considers what was “right” as actually being morally wrong. I came across someone’s interpretation of Usopp’s fight with Luffy, and while I didn’t agree with most of their negativity, I did see their point about the “might is always right” mentality that Zoro seemed to push. This mentality, according to the commenter, stripped Usopp of the little confidence he had left by Water 7, along with the autonomy and moral compass that were truly his own, even if they were chaotic and unconventional.

So it really bothers me when people view Usopp’s stance as disloyalty. In reality, it showed that he wasn’t willing to blindly follow others—he believed everyone deserved an explanation, including himself. In that light, Usopp’s apology after Enies Lobby feels underserved because it doesn’t validate the struggles he went through or extend beyond the surface-level support he received before.

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