#love hate and other filters

[nattanoora]

14 MARS, 2016 ༄ MANDAG, 11:45

19 MARZO, 2019 ༄ MARTEDÌ, 08:05

APRIL 1st, 2019 ༄ MONDAY, 8:37AM

29 APRIL, 2019 ༄ MAANDAG, 08:25

05 SVIBANJ, 2025 ༄ PONEDJELJAK, 12:55

NOORHELMS + THE SLO-MO PARALLELS

[arson-09]

Have been seeing some discussion again about tamlin being a good High Lord or not and I just have to remind everyone of one of the best little facts from acotar I never really seen mentioned.

Acotar, Chapter 25 Page 221

She [Alis] simply said, "Summer Solstice. The main celebration used to be at the Summer Court, but... Things are different. So now we have one here, too. You're going."

"so now we have one here too..." Because of amarantha and Tamlin being just a good person he allowed anyfae from any court to come to spring. And because no one could really go back to their courts for their respective solstice celebrations, Tamlin made sure Spring Celebrated all of them

I just think that's such a cool fucking thing. That Tamlin cared for the people coming to spring for safety, and he made changes to help everyone feel comfortable and at home. He cares about the people who live in Spring, he cares so damn much :(((

[crimsoncold]

Forever obsessed with the idea that Jonsa as a ship is something that apparently legitimately disturbs some people in the asoiaf fandom...

Not as in oh its just a ship they are indifferent to, uninterested in, or that it is simply something they personally don't like

This is fine, you are allowed to just like or dislike things in fiction (and curate your experience accordingly) without trying to moralize your stance in some bizarre effort to somehow objectively prove why your opinion on a piece of fiction/a fictional character/a fandom/or ship is superior and everyone who disagrees/differs from you is both incorrect and also a bad person

... like fandom is a sandbox, you are free to play in it but it will be more fun for everyone if you focus on interacting with the things you are interested in rather than having a temper tantrum or loudly refusing to play at all because you find the way some strangers (who are quietly playing with their own toys several sandboxes away from you) to be playing in a manner that you think is wrong or disgusting

Not as in jonsa is something that confuses people uninvolved/uninterested in this fandom i.e. people who already avoid asoiaf due to its themes or content...

Also valid some things aren't for everyone, and its more enjoyable to invest in things you enjoy rather than things that bore or upset you, asoiaf/got can be dark and handle very mature or disturbing concepts and its fine to choose to avoid it (so long as you aren't trying to force censorship onto other people or harass them for engaging with media you personally dislike/avoid)

But instead it's that jonsa outright outrages and unsettles people within this fandom as much or more so that the most monstrous and vile villains created by grrm

seriously apparently some people equate their feelings on jonsa to how disturbing they personally find DEAD DOVE: DO NOT EAT types of fandom content/ships between ramsay and his canon victims (!!!?!?)

Genuinely had not known that was the way some antis view jonsa and now I am so baffled by the way their minds work (please no one try to explain it either I find it funnier imagining how they come to the conclusion of a hypothetical consensual and rather period typical relationship/marriage occuring between cousins = a torturous/non-con based dynamic that originates in canon and sometimes gets explored/extrapolated on by fandom AND the former being explicitly the straw that broke the camel's back when it comes to their ability to stomach the asoiaf fandom)

Like somehow....

Amidst the tragedy, violence, abuse, torture, and murder occuring in the plot;

The multiple cases of forced child marriages and/or sexual assault;

The multiple significant canon examples of incestuous relationships or abuse between siblings, well beyond just a one off example occuring between the lannister twins but rather occuring in the form of a multi generational spanning formal practice of incestuous marriages being arranged between Targaryens, that are (not infrequently) rife with toxic, abusive, or tragic elements;

The multiple known case of avuncular (or materteral) marriages or sexual relationships occuring in various houses (including the starks)

The multiple canon examples of accepted (and period typical/appropriate) relationships, potential betrothals, or marriages happening between cousins

Hint to alleviate the confusion of antis...

this is closer to where Jon and Sansa's relationship would fall at the end of the series in the spectrum of asoiaf incest

i.e., something initially seemingly forbidden/unusual that ultimately becomes a case of two people who are related to a degree that would make them at the very least an acceptable potential match rather than a relationship that would be treated as tragic and/or ultimately incredibly physically or emotionally unhealthy the way actual siblings incest in the form of the targs or the lannister twins are often shown to be in asoiaf

if you find yourself unable to accept this type of relationship when it comes to jonsa you are either engaging with a story that is not at all your cup of tea (in which case best move on) or you are in deep denial of the hypocrisy inherent in the fact that you have a specific problem with jonsa as a pairing but are apparently comparatively unbothered by any of the many many other ships/canon pairing of various related individuals

... somehow it is the concept of jon and sansa as a potential/theorized romantic pairing that they find too disturbing to bear.

And amidst a fandom that...

Has a significant number of targ stans who are deeply invested in said house, and/or its variety of equally (or far greater) "incestuous" canon or fanon ships

And has, like essentially ANY other fandom out there, people interested in the most crackish random and absurd or potentially disturbing ships,

It somehow is jonsa, uniquely and singularly, as a hypothetical pairing appealing to just a portion of the asoiaf fandom that is able to make some people decide that asoiaf fandom as a whole is deeply inappropriate and even emotionally distressing

Seriously? Jonsa is where they draw the line?

Not any of the violent or incestuous things that occur in canon?

Not any of the other groups of stans or popular (and admittedly frequently incestuous) ships in this fandom?

Not the bizarre segment of asoiaf fandom that likes to bother or harass real life people online over a fictional world and its characters?

Jonsa's simply existing (peacefully participating in their own slice of fandom) is what made you find asoiaf fandom too fucked up/unpleasant to handle?

Jonsa!!?!?

In the year of 2025...over a decade after the release of the last asoiaf book, multiple years after the end of GOT, where the only scraps this fandom is receiving is literally an ongoing and (if not outright crap) at very least polarizing targcest show on hbo

... and somehow Jonsa's are the thing with the power to frighten and disturb certain people in the asoiaf fandom and i just...love that for us all so much 💙

May we all always enjoy and be so invested and unhinged about jonsa that it instills in us the power to somehow inadvertently forever haunt and torment the people in the asoiaf fandom that we rarely if ever think about, talk about, or interact with

Cheers

[ajastu]

sigh...

[puts on my clown hat] alright. i need to say something.

people trying to say that trans/nonbinary representation in veilguard is the worst thing thats happened to the trans community in the last half a year (im exaggerating here but u get my point) need to sit down and ask themselves a couple of questions.

1. Are you nonbinary? If not, do you know someone who is? Have you talked to them about their experiences and what its like to not fit into the strict gender binary that permeates our society on almost every level?

2. Do you think that your experiences are universal?

if you answer no and yes in that order, then i'm going to have to ask you to please put the keyboard aside and go do some self-reflection.

Because frankly. I'm kind of starting to get sick of seeing binary people try to talk about this while completely not understanding the experience and also thinking that their personal perspective is the only true and correct one.

Like, the amount of times ive seen people COMPLETELY misinterpret the scene with Taash and Neve talking in the dining room is ridiculous.

Some things are just not about you. And that's okay <3

[broodwoof]

suddenly remembered smth i read on here quite a while back, but i think it's a good point

it was about how advocating for more of x thing is good and fine, but how you're severely limiting the likelihood of that happening if you advocate for x thing by bashing y thing

ship wars (less x ship! more y ship!), comparing blorbos (ugh x character is overdone, what about y character???), and also just critique a lot of the time (x thing is soooo dumb, they should've done y!)

again: do what u want! always. but in terms of efficacy, these approaches actively push away the ppl who might like the thing u want more of... but also like the thing you're bashing

[im-still-watching-anime]

atsushi: we’re going to win because of how well we know each other tee hee have you heard about how many times we’ve had to kill each other??

ivan, literally surgically no thoughts head empty: what no i literally could not care less

[absolutelynotsanebaby]

I genuinely cannot take people claiming jay/jaya hate is so big like girl that is one of the most popular characters and maybe THE most popular ship

[foxatfullmoon]

i both love and hate summer. one of the cons atm is that i'm feeling so croc-like that i don't have as much of an appetite as usual, plus how i only want to eat lukewarm or cold foods because hot food seems unbearable when my body is so warm already. don't worry, i'm getting my good two meals a day - two meals instead of three because typically i don't wake up in time for breakfast so i have a bigger lunch instead - but deciding what to eat for dinner can be tough. i didn't eat anything hot yesterday, i think i had a wrap for lunch and a sandwich n crackers for dinner lol, but i might make a fish finger sandwich for dinner now. it's almost three hours past my usual dinnertime because croc shifts mean i forget how much my human body needs to eat

[m1ckeyb3rry]

i don’t dislike nagireo because i dislike reo and i don’t dislike it because i dislike nagi…it’s a third secret option

[llitchilitchi]

sometimes I wish this site had a mute option

[soltalks]

Celebrating my daughters, my friends over the years, my coworkers over the years, and my classmates over the years. Proud of you all. Keep being yourself. Keep standing up to hate. Keep fighting the good fight. Keep being a good example for others. Keep being an inspiration for others.

[elegy-for-the-present]

Guys, I'm going to be honest here for a second. I personally think ranking F1 rpf ships in terms of which is more "valid" / makes the most sense is extremely silly. I don't think any of them are in love with each other in real life (not romantically, at least; some of them are good friends and that's also a valid form of love). Writing fiction is about creativity, about exploring human behavior in a controlled environment, about painting pictures with words and yes, also about having fun. No rpf pairing "makes sense". All of them are made up. A good writer can take any ship and make a compelling story out of it, because fanfiction is not about replicating canon, that would be silly, canon already exists. It's about taking the canon and extrapolating a different version of the story, studying what outcomes would change if we change some of the circumstance in which the canon facts have happened.

[notyournightsky]

Funniest observation of the batfam fandom are the incredibly intense Jason Todd and Tim Drake fans who hate the other character respectively. Both of them are extremely annoying about their fave and also extremely annoying about the one they hate. And they don’t get any facts right about either character either

[emilywritesfics]

I’m fully supportive of people liking who they like from a show, and shipping who they like, and writing what they like, BUT it is so frustrating to go into the tags of a new show and only finding xreader fics with the antagonist

[romanticatheartt]

I just want to say, bringing down another character/ship to praise your favorite one, doesn't make me agreeing with you, it makes me hate the favorite character/ship of yours and despise your childish personality... just saying :)

[dhmis-autism]

i feel like the original series was red guy centered, the first season was for yellow guy, and i am BEGGING AND PRAYING that season 2 will be more about duck!! i will probably cry if anything happens to him though lol 💀 everytime writers break a comic relief character i just OUGSHGS.. it gets me.

h well I don't think you're wrong about that! Webseries being Red Guys time to shine, S1 of the TV show being for Yellow (esp the last two episodes I think? Even thought outside of that, he does get a lot of focus/he IS the one who talks to the audience the most directly). From what I remember hearing, the pilot was pretty Duck-centered.

But I think even if he GETS his big moment in the sun, so to speak, it's NOT going to be as emotional as the other twos. On top of him just not being a very um… let's say sentimental character, he's just not the make-you-cry type! It's just not him imo!

IDK, I operate under the opinion that… in his weird little head, the most important thing that he values over everything is keeping the three of them together. Both because he thinks of them as a weird little family AND because he really doesn't have anyone else outside of the trio. We also know from the interview, and you could maybe argue from the Family episode ( Who do you love?/Anyone who loves me back., I asked every member of my family who they loved the most, and they all said me ) that being loved is something that he actually values QUITE a bit! More than you would assume on first glance! He's weirdly upfront about it haha!

In that way, I imagine that if they were to TRY to pull something to put him in the spotlight in the way you're imagining (i.e. something emotional and focusing on his issues like they did with Yellow & Red) it would either focus on his desire to be loved OR his dedication to keeping the three of them together. But I would argue they both already did that in the Family episode AND put him through the worst case-scenario in regards to those more emotional aspects of his character ( here I think the worst case scenario to him is the other two rejecting him, harshly, unambiguously and to his face, multiple times and the three of them separating ). AND THE THING IS… THAT ALREADY HAPPENED! THAT DIDN'T BREAK HIM!

He had his little pout over it in his dress and was like FINE! I DON'T NEED THEM ANYWAYS! So, I really don't think that big "character-breaking" moment is coming. If the Family ep didn't get him I honest to God don't think there's anything else the house could throw at him that could get under his skin.