#lounielle for ts

[alarrytale]

Hi Marte, I always had doubts about Douis, because of the way L treated D. He was always very affectionate with her (not even with EC was he like that), and they seemed like a really happy couple. So I would like to hear your perspective from that time. And one more question, L lived with her in LA for 1 year, how do you think it's possible that he was still dating H at that time? I ask this because on tumblr there's a timeline from 2016 and 98% of the time L was with D, I can't see how L and H would make it work at that time. I'm not anti, I just really don't understand Douis.

Hi, anon!

Lmaoooooo, oh Douis.

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Danielle was with her now fiancé/husband while she was "dating" Louis. Like Louis was with Harry. Douis/Lounielle "dated" from december 2015 to january 2017 (a year contract lol). DC has been dating CW since at least 2014.

Also, he didn’t live with her in L.A. Louis found out his mother was terminal at the end of may 2016. He did his stunt obligations with DC, then flew back to England. He also auditioned DC and ADC for the beard position (lol).

Louis was as bad faking it with DC as he was with EC, but he was more motivated. He needed DC to control the bg narrative and not get stories written about himself and BJ. So he put more effort in.

But Douis is as fake as any of the other of Louis' relationship with women. She was danielled soon after, like she danielled Louis from her engagement narrative lol.

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Hi Marte, I'm a fairly new Larrie and I was browsing the Louis Tomlinson tag on here when I came across photos I'd never seen before, of Louis looking very comfortable with Danielle Campbell in a private pool. He actually takes off her bikini and she's topless, then they make out in the pool on an inflatable.

Are these manips? Because why on earth would either of them agree to this?

Hi, anon!

Not manips! A staged pap stunt. Lmaoo he doesn’t look comfortable, neither does she, don't even try.

The reason why DC agreed to stunt with Louis was because she needed exposure, but also because she was known as a girl next door who took on very PG-13 roles. She wanted to age up and get more mature and challenging acting roles, so she did the "topless" stunt to get attention by using the shock factor to be noticed by a more mature audience. It was a pretty desperate attempt and we only reacted with disgust. It also didn’t have the effect she wanted in the end. The fake relationship with Louis did nothing for her career.

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Hiii Marte, I joined the fandom after Douis (thank God), so I ask you, was it the same as it is now with Z?

And I ask this in terms of press coverage and the bad image attributed to Louis. I know that bbg was widely used by the media, but were there so many articles daily?

Hi, anon!

No, i think it was quite the opposite actually! Louis looked good with DC, she was more like EC - a girl next door, she wasn't explicitly attention seeking and didn’t create drama. I think it was to lead away from the bg drama and make L look like a good father with a healthy relationship. Very wholesome. There was a lot of media attention on bg, and lounielle/douis was papped a lot to have pics go with the bg narrative. So lounielle/douis got a lot of press because it was going on during bg. Lounielle/douis was also to quiet BJ, who was desperate for attention. Louis looked dignified and like the responsible party, compared to BJ.

In terms of press coverage, yes it was more during bg than now, it was also more international and american focused. This current stunt is very UK focused and more contained. It was just the narrative kick-off of mcdomlinson that was syndicated and reached international media. You don’t have just jared, perez h, people magazine and american morning shows covering this story, like we had during bg/lounielle/douis. So even though it's daily articles in the UK press, it can't be compared to the reach and attention bg got.

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i dont know why those anons say louis were more cute with D? He looks like a best friend for her, he didnt look at her when he take of her bra to look more heterosexual?? yes it look more real that Elo*nor. but i think they didnt have chemistry, you could see in those pics on the yacht?? anyways i dont love any beard

sorry if my english its bad

Hi, anon!

From what i can tell, they keep referring back to timelines, which makes me think they weren't here back then, to see the fakeness live. That explains some things. None of us who were here at the time think it's even remotely real. If they're new and genuinely want to know, then i'll explain. But it seems more and more likely they've made up their minds on it already and need arguments to back up their belief. I have no time for that. There really shouldn't be any need to prove Douis was a fake relationship lmao. It's plain as day.

And no need to apologise for your english! It never, ever is! I understand you perfectly well 💚

[alarrytale]

Do you think Lottie could be waiting for Louis to finish with babygate before planning her wedding? In my eyes, she doesn’t want this shit show to be dragged on this special day, it’s for sure gonna be taken the spotlight from by child gushing fanatics.

Of course nothing stops the sisters or the gossip rags from saying Freddie was there after the wedding, I’m just wondering if there’s a red line for them to willingly participate and helping Louis with it. Lottie said a lot with her book, and to me it looks like she’s really reconsidering it.

Hi, anon!

No. I think Lottie lives her life seperately from the stunts her brother is involved with. She accomodates them, but doesn’t let it rule or affect how she lives her life. Also, who knows when bg is ending. It could be years still.

Jay got married with EC as a bridesmaid, and having to watch her son fake it during her wedding. I don't see why Lottie wouldn't get married with F there. Lottie probably wants full attention on her day, maybe even an exclusive deal with Hello magazine or something. F and Louis being there will give her wedding more attention, because of Louis' fandom. So i don't think she minds stunting during her wedding. Every life ceremony is a stunting arena. Why do you think Jamie Vardy invited Louis and his then fake gf to his wedding? To draw attention to the wedding...

[alarrytale]

I always think Louis is very comfortable when he's with a woman doing stunts. There is always a lot of PDA and he doesn't feel uncomfortable. I often even think that he is not gay. You say it's because he became friends with these women, which for me just makes it even worse. Can you imagine being friends with a woman who is paid to keep you in the closet?

Hello, anon!

You say it's because he became friends with these women. I have never said this. You've sent me three messages now about me having said this. I haven't. What i did say was that i think he parted on good terms with D. By that i mean they didn’t want to kill each other by the end and they were both thankful it was over. No hard feelings. I also said about Alycia (who he's never had as a beard) that maybe, maybe being the operative word, they became friendly, not friends, when Louis scouted her to become his beard. By friendly i'm implying they struck a chord with each other, most likely because she's also queer so they relate to each other.

Louis absolutely can't do pda with women in a way that's even remotely convincing. He's highly uncomfortable, his body is rigid and it looks very awkward. In some cases it looks like he's her gay bff. He also doesn’t do pda very often because he's can't sell it. He can't even hold hands properly.

No, i can't imagine Louis being friends with a woman who is paid to keep him in the closet. He's never been friends with any of them either, so what's your point exactly?

[alarrytale]

i could care less about louis liking danielle’s pic. as you said he has to normalize his relationships with women. i remember when he liked ava lily’s pic and everyone freaked out about being a new stunt, only for her to end up being one of his openers. also saw some people freaking out when he liked dylan. like??? i know past experiences have the fandom on edge but not every like means a stunt. also danielle is engaged and seems to be happy and i doubt she’d like to come back to the mess. also can’t help but think that the cute dog gave him even more motivation to like the post. i for one would be happy if louis formed good healthy friendships with more women

Yes, exactly!

He needs to surround himself with more women to get away from that toxic masculinity backstage culture and environment he's embedded in. Problem now is he hasn't got any female friends. Every female he's next to have the fandom on edge thinking she's a new beard. So he so badly needs this. He's got to start somewhere. He can't just go out with a female. So ig likes of "safe" women it is. More women on his team should be next. And then his band and then female friendships. So please don't fret about this. If he's going into another stunt we'll know.

[alarrytale]

Louis enjoying several photos of D. Will this stunt return? Or does he just want to embarrass himself?

He pretending to be straight can be the most rotten thing there is

Hi, anon!

Apart from larry, what will give Louis the attention he needs right now? What will take the least effort, but engage his fandom and have them talk about him, while also not upsetting fandom too much, thinking he's about to be bearded up again?

Liking a few of his engaged, on the other side of the ocean, ex-beard's instagram posts. That's the answer.

Also, didn’t we have a conversation about Louis needing to normalise his relationship with women? So he'll be able to hang around them, talk to them and engage with them without people fearing a new beard? She is happily engaged and they ended on good terms. He needs the attention and he needs to normalise his relationship with women. I wish people looked at this the same way and reacted the same way they do when he likes Perrie's ig posts. She's "safe" too because she's engaged with a kid. Louis won't stunt with D again. He's not pining for D. Please see this for what it is, Louis trying to engage his fandom when he needs to sell tickets to his tour and his festival.

[alarrytale]

Hi Marte,

Do you think that HL are friends or on friendly terms with their beards? I always assumed that Louis didn’t click with Danielle and Harry looked miserable around Olivia. But I see nowadays even larries find Louis and Danielle cute and think they were friends and I wonder if I’m projecting my frustrations on them and they indeed are good friends?

Hi, anon!

No, i don't think they are friends with the beards. I think they're friendly with them (they try to at least...) and they treat them like they would a work colleague. It's purely professional. I think the less serious the relationship, the less stunting and the shorter the relationship is the better they get on with the beard. H and Cara Delevigne seemed to get along fine as an example.

If you look at it from L and H's point of view, all these beards are hired by their team and label (or Sony). The beards work for the oppressor and are willing to fake a relationship for money/PR with an unwilling partner with no choice (and maybe no say in anything). They must resent these beards so much. They also got nothing in common with these women most of the time. L must have hated being linked to a tory. L didn’t get along with E most of the time and H seems to dislike his partners more and more as the relationship progresses (ie TS and O).

Louis seemed to get along fine with D to me, better than he did with E, so i think that's why people like D. I don't think you're projecting your frustrations at all. Bearding is not cute. Being so desperate for attention that you're willing to be papped topless isn't cute. They're not good friends at all, they've got nothing in common except for the fact that both needed PR. But i don't think that bearding relationships ended on a sour note, so maybe that's why people got the impression that they're friends.

I will say, that i understand people liking L around women, even larries. It's due to him having zero public female friendships and fans are desperate to see him interact with females who're not all about toxic masculinity. Louis acts more normal and himself around women than men (no need to act tough) so i get wanting him to strike up friendships with female celebrities. I do too. Just not the beards. They can fuck off.

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How do you feel about larries who still keep track of former beards years later? I just saw someone accuse Danielle of being an obsessive attention wh*re because she still follows Louis on instagram, sometimes wears a shirt that kind of looks like one of his, and that her recent engagement is a last-ditch effort to mooch of Louis’ fame somehow. Same with people who accuse Sophie of still pretending to be together with Louis because she’s taken pictures in English-style pubs. Is this not excessive? I think their “obsessive” accusations might be projecting.

Hi,

I think everyone should give former beards or pr relationship exes no attention at all. Attention is what they want and why they agreed to the role in the first place. They thrive off it and make money off it. So the best thing is to ignore them all.

On the other hand i'm not a fan of policing other fans. Just let them be. They're going to do what they're going to do anyways, and you can’t control them. Just disagree with their stance and action, and stop paying attention to them. Observing them is just going to annoy you to no end. We also don't need more fandom infighting.

When it comes to Sofie the last we heard about the relationship was from her implying that they were still involved. She clearly loves the attention the attachment gives her and wants to milk it. He hasn't been seen with anyone else after and never said anything himself to the contrary. So he's enabling her. So i get why people still keep up with her and accusing her of pretending they're together. That's the narrative's fault, and not the fans fault.

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Why is overexposed Harry stunting with a young actress while Louis - who actually needs the publicity - does nothing at all? We haven't seen him for weeks because the paps don't take pics of him anymore.

Because Harry brings them attention, name regcognition and publicity. Anyone remotely female standing beside him is suspected to be his girlfriend. Every aspiring actress, influencer or victoria's secret model wannabe have put their name on the 'harry's new beard' job application list. They have probably so many to choose from that they have to audition. They don't have to do much at all to get their name out there. They get much more out of it than Harry does. Maybe he gets paid for it, or it's just money from the clothing brands he's wearing while stunting. Why harry is stunting now i don't know. It doesn’t look like he's going to take a break after all. Maybe he's got projects lined up, or maybe he needs to be attached to someone while TS is announcing her new album (about him) to avoid unneccessary haylor speculation. Maybe it's in their loewe contract. Who knows. It's unneccessary either way.

Louis has zero aspiring anythings applying for role of beard. He's really struggling to get anyone on board. They will get little out of being seen faking it with him. That's why he'll never get anyone on the same level of celebrity to stunt with him either. For some it might bring more hate or less opportunities being connected with him. Danielle for example gained nothing. Some might say she's even worse off now. He's trying though with Ava Lily and Alycia D-C. We'll see if something comes off that. Sofie was too young, naive and desperate to know any better. And it all made Louis look like a bit of a creep taking advantage of someone that young. So he can't just pick anyone either.

There's so many things louis could do to appear more intersting and being papped, but it dosn't fit with his current image, nor do i think he likes playing the publicity game.

[alarrytale]

Ah yes. Louis loved Danielle so much he took her to a racing event but had no idea if she even liked racing (a likely conversation one should have had with a girlfriend?) and instead spent the whole interview flirting with the (male) interviewer. Speaking of which, bring flirty Louis with hunky interviewers back!

Hi, anon!

Haha, yes. He went to F1 in Monaco with her (to flirt with Steve Jones).

When you're fake dating you have to go to events to be seen and papped. F1 was probably right up her alley lmao.

I agree! We should get to see Louis flirt with beautiful male interviewers more. It's so fun!

[alarrytale]

You mentioned that Louis moved in May, but wait, the timeline shows him with D throughout 2016, he only spent a few days off. There were pictures of them traveling and going out. So the point you made doesn't make much sense. And another thing, what's the point of him following her again and liking her posts recently? And I won't even mention the pictures on the yacht... Anyway, Louis was very affectionate with D, and always seemed happy with her.

Hello again, anon!

I didn't mention he moved in May. Reading comprehension is essential to understanding. Learn it. I said he learned his mother was terminal in May. He never lived in L.A, but was there on and off the whole year. As was Harry.

I also said he was in L.A for stunts with DC. He also stunted with F (and was probably writing with Steve Aoki). He wasn't in L.A half as much as the pictures make it seem. They took a bunch of pap pics and spread it out as usual. They did everything they could to distract from Jay's illness and to give her privacy.

The point of him liking and interacting with DC now (an engaged woman) is to show there is no bad blood and that he's happy for her. It's to normalise his relationship with women (which i've talked about several times before).

If you think Louis was affectionate with D, and that it was genuinely romantically and sexually motivated, then i don't know if i can help you...

It was a fake relationship and Louis is gay.