#lord garamadon

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So I finally got around to inktober

Day 6: Sons

If anyone has any tip for line art as I suck at it pls tell.

Anyway this kinda failed lol

Not my best hahahaha

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Ohhhh boy; here’s some VERY old concept art.

This AU was made around 2011; before the rest of the Elemental masters were revealed, before Garmadon was ever redeemed, before— well, anything. I made it during season 1, when I was roughly.... Maybe 6 or 7, actually? The oldest drawings here are the two with the X symbols on the persons, but let me go in order of the way Tumblr decided to post them.

1- The first ever concept art for Garmadon, before I knew how to draw ears! Or noses! Or more than one set of limbs! When his design was made the Oni were not revealed to be what Garmadon was; that, or I just never knew. At the time it’s not like ANY of us knew what the Oni were in-show, anyway. Originally, this AU a was going to follow Garamdon training the pupils in the FSM’s old monastery— or the one we see in the show, so I tried to keep the design as close to the show as possible... As well as a maybe 9 year old me could. However, a LOT has changed since then, and now Garmadon and his students are constantly on the move.

2/3- Now around when I was 11-14, I can’t remember, the time twins were introduced and I IMMEDIATELY fell in love with them. They were going to be a huge part of this AU at the time, being the cause for why the timeline is the way it is— which is still canon to this day! This AU is essentially caused by Krux and Acronix traveling far back in time by mistake, while Wu was sent forward, and Kai and Nya returning to their gone in canon— Krux and Acronix were left when the world was just first being made, leaving a lot of chaos to ensue from them both that caused the timelines to split and them to be stranded in this Alternate Universe. They caused a lot of havoc that made things turn out the way they did in this AU— but of course, that will be elaborated on in the future. As far as anyone knows in this AU, Krux and Acronix never existed and they don’t know who they are— rather a separate line of time elementals came to be.

4/5- The original Keepers of the Dragons idea. They were going to all be human back in the early days, as the stone warriors hadn’t been introduced yet and Ninjago had a lot of lore yet to be revealed. There’s not much to say on these since the way I design the KotD’s uniforms is so different now, with a lot more symbolism vs just looking cool. Though, fun fact, the woman actually ended up becoming an OC of mine who I revamped awhile ago. You can see some of her on my art blog!

6- More Krux & Acronix with me trying to finalize their designs for this AU— which is nowhere NEAR what their designs are now— though of course we still have a LONG TIME before I get anywhere near being able to show their designs. ... Well, maybe not a long time, but think of this AU as if it were like in Ninjago seasons. This is season 1. Think of that as more a season 3/4 type of deal we can only foreshadow to, for now.

[yozaka]

You guys do know that Nya did technically kill Garmadon right?

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There's probably more but those were big ones that came to mind

reblog and put in the tags ALL your fictional crushes, and then find out what’s their single, common, unifying trait …

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Ninjobservation #4

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After making my Garmadon AMV I noticed that Garmadon and Jay don't get along, yet are always talking to each other. They are sitting next to each other throughout ToE and are always the two engaged in intellectual debates. I think Garmadon and Jay have more friendly tension than Garm and Kai, and Kai got his true potential over giving up the notion he was destined to fight Garmadon.

Don't believe me? Here's a run down of their conversations from the Wiki transcripts.

Rise of the Serpentine

The Green ninja

JAY: Any minute, this place is gonna blow. We have to get out of here.

GARMADON: Not without my son!

The Day of the Great Devourer

GARMADON: Give me the weapons. I am the only one who can handle the power of all four weapons at once. It's the only thing that'll defeat the Devourer.

JAY: Uh, I thought we were supposed to do everything in our power not to let him possess the weapons.

JAY: (Giving him the Nunchucks of Lightning) Uh, I don't think this needs to be said, but we're gonna need these back.

GARAMADON: (Chuckles) I'll do my part. You just make sure he stays in one spot. (He laughs and runs away.)

JAY Stays in one spot? Stays in one spot!? How are we supposed to do that?

The Legacy of The Green Ninja

Jay is offended about Garmadon getting credited for their victory TWICE in two different episodes!

Darkness Shall Rise

JAY: Maybe we can get a hero discount. After all, we are the Ninja who saved the city.

PATTY KEYS: I thought Lord Garmadon saved the city.

JAY: Hmph

Pirate's Vs Ninja

JAY: Look, pal, we're the guys that just saved the city from that giant snake. (I know it was technically Cole, but it was Jay who said it in the animation and transcript so??)

DARETH: Ha! Am I looking at Lord Garmadon? Because unless I'm stupid, and I'm not, Lord Garmadon destroyed the Devourer.

JAY: Hehe. That's been a huge misunderstanding. Actually, we were the ones who dest—

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The Art of The Silent Fist

He takes great pleasure in Jay getting hurt twice in this episode.

Yet Jay is the first one to comfort Garmadon when he sees the techno blade

The Titanium Ninja

GARMADON: Brother, do you remember when both of us were on the same team?

JAY: Uh, hey, yeah, old timers, mind paying attention? We're trying to save the world here!

Tournament of Elements

The Invitation

He cares little about Jay's sensitivities...

And he roasts him directly a few minutes later

So Jay sasses him back...

GARMADON: I swore to never return

JAY: You know, you should never swear. It's a sign of weak verbal skills

Only One Can Remain

This episode is full of Garmadon sternly correcting Jay

JAY: So this is the house that noodles built. Ha! Always wanted to go to a red carpet event.

GARMADON: Chen lives like a king. Here, he's totally self-sufficient. The only way on or off this island is with his permission, which you have to earn.

GARMADON: When I was your age, I sought a darker means of guidance. He taught me to win at all cost, no matter who I hurt. It wasn't until you saved me that I saw the light.

JAY: Uh, apparently he also never taught you to have a sense of humor. Lighten up, we're in an underground fight club. This is supposed to be fun.

Another jibe at Jay's casual nature...

JAY: Ah, just what this place needs. Creepy clowns!

GARMADON: Not clowns. Kabuki, Chen's jesters.

But he is also the one comforting his overthinking mind alot

JAY: Arrgh, it's killing me. What's under the trapdoor? What happens when you lose?

GARMADON: Don't think about that.

JAY: It's all I can think about. I moved on. I feel guilt. These are not good feelings.

Versus

He does this same thing again next episode...

GARMADON: You can't undo what's been done. My only advice is to be at peace with it.

JAY: Peace? One of us has to lose! Oh, my gosh. It's totally gonna be me. He's got super strength and what do I have? Quick, tell me! What do I have!?

Ninja Roll

Here's the two once again willingly siting next to each other.

The Greatest Fear of All

Garmadon shuts down Jay's sarcasm again...

JAY: What ever happened to "we fight as one?"

GARMADON: This isn't a vote, Jay. This is stopping the end of our world as we know it.

March of the Oni

NYA: What do you want?

GARMADON: Absolutely nothing :)

(yes even he and oni garm are at cheeky odds)

Findings

Garmadon and Jay are both, for lack of a better word, Rude. Not that they mean to be, but they are both very outspoken about what they believe in and they are confident enough to call out BS when they see it. They both are very analytical and this is also where the two differ greatly.

Garmadon looks at a situation, sees what can be done within the situation and can command others to the plan of action but Jay is much less direct. Jay is an overthinker and although both Garmadon and Jay are pessimistic, Garmadon's pessimism comes from experience whilst Jay’s from overthinking the outcomes. Garmadon looks for more what can be done NOW while Jay thinks about all the ways the future will be affected, leaving the two at odds on how to solve a situation.

Jay also copes with stress much differently than Garmadon. He tries to add lightheartedness into moments that may not typically welcome it and is laid back when it comes to situations he doesn’t try to fully understand. Garmadon doesn’t like this attitude. He’s much more serious and disregards this typically as stupid or ignorant.

Since I was curious I looked into Myers Briggs 16 personalities for the two and came up with Jay as an ENTP (debater) and Garmadon as an ENTJ (Commander), both stubborn analytical types so It makes perfect sense the two would be at odds quite often.

Bit of a strange topic but when you notice some of your favorite characters trash talking each other a lot you gotta point it out and write an essay about it right??

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Movie!Lloyd Garmadon’s conflicts an analysis has spoilers

key anything after a 2 is me, as is anything with no Quote in front of it.

 Man vs man sort of Lloyd vs Lord Garmadon, it describes part of their conflict, especially at the start, but then the conflict is negated when they patch up their relationship at the end.  

Quote from Garmacondrai 156848130145/more-snippets-from-the-lego-ninjago-movie.  Well really from usatoday /story/life/movies/2017/02/05/sneak-peek-lego-ninjago-movie-first-look-exclusive/97405104/

It’s about a son having to live with this father who’s a threat to Lego-manity (but) more about the son’s journey of forgiving him and learning to accept him for who he is," Theroux says.

Quote from Garmacondrai 159608298652/me-remembers-that-garmadon-canonically-doesnt#notes Me: *remembers that Garmadon canonically doesn’t care about Lloyd in the Ninjago movie and that we’ll finally get to see Lloyd actually deal emotionally with these issues, but also that the movie is about redemption and acceptance.*

2 Lloyd definitely forgives his dad in the film, as for accepting him for who he is, & being redeemed, the film made that unclear.

I’m not sure what Lloyd accepted his dad as, was it: 1 his dad wasn’t going to change, & was going to stay an evil warlord, his dad’s unchanging nature?  Considering the exchange between them before Lord Garmadon took off with the Ultimate Ultimate Weapon with Lloyd wanting his dad to return to Ninjago City to as father/son to save it from Meowthra & become a hero in the process, while Lord Garmadon disagrees & wants Lloyd to become his General #1 to help him conquer Ninjago City.

But then 1 heartfelt conversation later after Garamadon’s been (is there a term for holding something in one’s mouth but not chewing or swallowing?) well this by the cat, after which Lloyd says he forgives his dad.  

Or 2 Lloyd accepts Lord Garmadon has changed after said heartfelt speech where Garmadon was in a cat’s mouth?

The film is trying to lead me somewhere, but I don’t know where it’s leading me, & the place I can see it leading me has an unconvincing path leading to it.  

I personally don’t feel Lord Garmadon redeemed himself, or does he redeem himself by being a more present father to Lloyd?  Well that’s up to you to decide. 

Did the Lloyd having to earn back his friends’s trust bit ever go anywhere? Granted I can see why team felt more betrayed/angry at Lloyd & buddied up to Lord Garamdon even though Lord Garmadon was ultimately the one who directed Meowthra to destroy their mechs. Fighting with Lord Garamdon isn’t personal for rest of the ninja like it is for Lloyd, but Lloyd “betraying” them, hello [Cartesian Karma] despite being a very unintended consequence is.  

Man vs nature feel like this could have applied to the ninja team as a whole, somewhat.  Granted the ninjas aren’t supposed to survive nature, but learn from it, as they’re city kids & don’t quite know how to survive outside the comforts/luxuries of the city.

Or not quite vs nature, not quite vs machine. More like don’t rely so much on machines/mechs, get back in touch w nature/your natural ie elemental abilities, & use your mind.

Mechs could be seen as really pretty crutches from this light. Hindering the Ninjas development of their natural abilities, thus necessitating their destruction/temporary/permanent removal.

Man vs self Lloyd clearly has some internal conflicts going on. Lloyd is likely ashamed of Lord Garmadon being his dad at the start, as everyone ostracizes him for being the son of Lord Garmadon.  quote “Honestly, I would happily give up being the Green Ninja if it meant I didn’t have to be the son of Garmadon.” Ie “I would give up the identity that people love me in to no longer be hated.” Or “I don’t want to fight my dad anymore.” But he also craves Lord Garmadon’s acknowledgement, wants him in his life.

Quote Garmacondrai 156990220210/ok-ok-but-like-ive-watched-this-trailer-like-10#notes. If a kid is abandoned by their parent, you’re gonna swing either way. You will either hate them and want nothing to do with them ever again no matter what they do to try to mend the bond, or you will miss them and want them back, and blame yourself for them leaving. I feel like Lloyd favours the latter.  

2 I agree except for Lloyd blaming himself for Lord Garmadon leaving. Really Koko why didn’t you tell Lloyd you’re the one who left to give Lloyd a better future?!

Quote spacecocosaurus 165604053883/next-point-i-want-to-talk-aboutlloyds-growth-in, You can’t choose where you come from, but you can choose to accept and embrace it.

Quote Found My Place - Oh, Hush! feat. Jeff Lewis (Official Lyric Video) PFQs2iHi3Ew.  With our main man Lloyd. (* that’s me) double l-o-y-d. my dad is bad but ya we still family,

2 I suppose the ending could be read as Lloyd accepting Lord Garamdon as his father, & no longer being ashamed of it like Koko hinted at in her confrontation with Garmadon on the tower. I’m just confused on what Lloyd accepted about Lord Garmadon himself. 

Maybe someone will count how many times & where Lloyd refers to Lord Garmadon by either Dad or his surname to denote his change in feelings towards him. 

Man vs society part of this explains why Lloyd has mixed feelings on his dad. Everyone hates him for being Garmadon’s son, likely seeing him as a scapegoat for all the feelings they can’t express to Lord Garmadon. So Lloyd can’t say intimidate the people who bother him into not bothering him, because it’d just justify their misguided preconceptions about him: his dad is bad & so is he, that & there’s too many people to intimidate.

This could have played into a try hard attitude as the Green Ninja, with Lloyd daydreaming being able to reveal himself & get accepted that way.  Using 1 identity to wash away the “sins“ of the other. But nothing like that happens in the film.  Unless the film was trying to imply this attitude/mindset when Lloyd took the Ultimate Weapon, but which I read as an act born of desperation.

bonus Found My Place - Oh, Hush! feat. Jeff Lewis (Official Lyric Video) PFQs2iHi3Ew critique/questions. .

I knew I was strong, 2 did they, especially Lloyd or the team?

With our main man Lloyd. (* that’s me) double l-o-y-d.  ….  Just me & my clique. & our mechs look sick.

2 They don’t when they’re totaled by meowthra.

Lloyd the legend of the ninja lives, well it’s just too bad that his dad is garmadon. Yeah he’s evil but he loves his kids, ya he’s so savage.

2 If Garmadon actually has more than 1 neglected kid, I’m flipping.

Koko big shouts to the mama that can make it on her own with a legendary son at home.

2 Who is Lloyd being considered Legendary by?

We the best & you know we ain’t braggin! 

2 I guess when you’re considered best by default.

… Now I found my place with lord garmadon, now I fit in, I’m comfortable in my skin, I’m throwing caution to the wind. 

2 I suppose you did that Lloyd when you revealed your alter ego/secret identity as the Green Ninja.

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spcrrw replied to your post: holy shit guys im so excited for the n.injago...

Oh man that show brings back memories for me cause when my bros were really little (especially my first bro who’s 11 now), they LOVED ninjago and watched it all the time and I babysat them a lot so I watched a lot of it too

that’s so cute omg! see i have no idea how i got into but i adore?? the garmadon family so much?? and like lord garamadon is a bad guy but he fucking loves his son so much and he’s so proud of him for being the green ninja even when he knew he was gonna have to fight his son!!! i scream!!!

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Garamadon looks sooo done with jay's shit

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Fortitude (A Request)

[Request.  Garmadon turned into a kid.]  After getting shifted, what is the dark lord to do?  He gets moved from his base camp, and finds himself with his son.  But the reunion is very odd indeed.  That doesn’t matter, though.

http://animedreambow.deviantart.com/art/Fortitude-368201495?q=gallery%3Aanimedreambow&qo=0

or

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9240582/1/

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[yozaka]

WHAT IF ... JUST WHAT IF?

Some point in the series Lloyd is turned completely evil currupted and no way to cure it like garamadon and that the venomari’s story was true but it was referencing to Lloyd?… idk but to cut it short : what if Lloyd turns into the new dark lord and the new generation of ninjas has to defeat him just a hunch dont hate...