#lolisho mention tw

[hearts4ayame]

lolicons are so fucking disgusting. how could you look at a little kid (fiction or not) and like them? how could you look at a little kid and decide that you're gonna draw nsfw of them?

you're mentally ill. get a therapist. spend time off the the internet and touch grass (don't go anywhere near a kid though).

if i was your parents, i'd be ashamed. i feel bad for your parents because i know that they are so disappointed and ashamed of you.

(making this post because i saw nsfw of ANYA from spy x family 😭😭)

[xia0mi-c0m]

The proshipping problem in the twst fandom | A rant.

Very obvious trigger warning for things normal for proshippers like p3dophilia, incest, etc.

Though I do know proshippers will be in every single fandom, it's getting especially worse in the twst fandom, specifically the Japanese side of the fandom (with some discussions about some in the English side too).

Before any proshippers come into the comment section: Proshipping is NOT a healthy coping mechanism. If your therapist recommended it, they should be fired.

This post is not to dehumanize and degrade underage proshippers as they have been obviously groomed into believing that it was okay to ship this sort of stuff.

The actual elephant in the room we WILL be shunning is the adult proshippers who actively encourage children (either actually or under law) to proship.

Before getting fully deep in this subject, I would like to admit something that I've talked about before.

I was a proshipper when I was younger than what I am now. This was because, not getting into too much detail, I was groomed by a man online to the point that i thought it was okay.

Not only was I a proshipper but I was also a darkshipper, problematic comshipper, and also supported the things present in Dead Dove fanfics.

In fact, I had an account on some sort of forum page with other proshippers and I shared my nasty ships there. I believed it was a good way of desensitizing myself to my trauma that fucked me up heavily, but it wasn't and it was making me relive the same trauma which in return, made it worse.

This is why I say that I do not want anyone to shun underage proshippers, they were groomed into it half of the time.

Now that I'm 18 (About to turn 19 on February 14th), I finally understand that proshipping is an unhealthy way of approaching your trauma and pain.

It may feel like it does something, but it really doesn't. And I want to reassure you that you're not alone in your pain, please, find other ways to cope and process what has happened to you that doesn't include glorifying very nasty things.

Now with that out the way, I would like to say what the title says.

Proshippers in the twst fandom has sadly grown overtime, but my niece made a very good point; stating that since twst does have a slightly dark story, that people with dark and nasty thoughts and ideas will be attracted to it, much like a moth to a flame that damages it's already fragile body.

There have been adults in the twst proshipper area, and I think they're the main cause of fueling minors in the fandom to do the same thing. Maybe with or without knowing the eventual psychological consequences.

The adults who are aware sadly lure and prey on the gullible underage individuals of the fandom, and though that might seem like an overexaggeration; it sadly is true.

I am Japanese, well, half-Japanese. But even then, due to that fact, I'm more prevalent in the Japanese fandom than the English fandom though I am trying to balance out both.

Since I am more present in the Japanese side of the fandom than I am with the English side (because I'm basically like an absent dad that went off to get the milk and never came back until years), I have seen a lot of shit in here and it's very scary even to this day.

Though the English side of the fandom is as equally bad, the Japanese side is worse with the whole l0li and sh0ta thing. Sadly I have seen English twst accounts do those things too.

The most popular proshipper you may know is Ugigi or however the fuck you spell her name, whether one likes to admit it or not, her selfships were very much proshipping. This is mainly due to how her OC could've been her actual age which was in her 20s if I'm remembering correctly.

But let's say the OC wasn't, it would still be problematic (but not in the proship way) since the characters she drew NSFW of were mainly the minors (again, if I remember correctly). If her OC was her actual age then she would be a proshipper.

However, watever the age of the OC she always drew, it's obvious that it was still leaning more on proshipping because that indicates that she's attracted to the characters despite knowing they're minors (and not even aging them up by the way).

So, very nasty, I was thinking of putting her In the TWs 😭

All jokes aside, proshipping is disgusting.

In fact, must I bring up any other thing?

LEECHCEST.

WHAT.

Well, you heard that right, people ship Floyd and Jade. Seriously, what is wrong with you guys. And I think I know why this ship is so popular in the Japanese fandom; The fact incest is not necessarily illegal in Japan in a way.

Yeah. You heard me correctly. I'm horrified and scarred for life <3

"Surely there isn't anymore I shall talk about, right? Right?? RIGHT?!?" I exclaim, not expecting anything else to come from the sky and hit me.

Then boom..

SHROUDCEST.

OH FUCK NOT AGAIN.

So, apparently people ship a dead robotic little boy with his big brother.. yeah... FNAF fandom called, they're telling you not to steal their bit much like how Deejus is trying to tell Johnny RaZeR not to steal his "YOUTUBEEE" outro bit that.. he also stole.

It can't get any worse than this, right? This is definitely the last tier of the iceberg, surely? Perhaps??-

KINGSCHOLARCEST.

Okay, now we're pushing it, this bit is getting old but whatever.

Kingscholarcest can refer to three (disgusting) "ships": A nasty ship of Cheka x Leona, a nasty ship of Falena x Leona, or a nasty ship of Falena x Leona x Cheka.

Sweet home Alabama all around but more extreme..

I think we all know why these ships are not okay and are disgusting (ESPECIALLY CHEKA X LEONA SINCE CHEKA IS A GOO GOO GA GA BABY.)

Finally.. It's over.. I can go back to ranting!-

FELLOW X GIDEL.

JESUS CHRIST STOP.

This madness needs to stop because if not I'm going to pull my fucking hair out!-

LILMAL, SILVER X LILIA, S-

OKAY STOP IT RIGHT HERE,, THE BIT IS OLD NOW.

So, I think you get my point.

Borderline incestuous ships, the drake specialty, and straight up sweet home right to Alabama.

Now, let's put aside the jokes and get serious again.

With all the things I have stated, you can definitely see the absolute horror of some parts of the fandom.

There's accounts that are VERY hypocritical, saying "P3dos DNI" when they are a sh0ta/l0licon. This is the literal definition of hypocrisy at it's finest.

There are mfs who have unironically said that Cheka was hot and romantically cute.. HE'S 7 YEARS OLD. OR MAYBE YOUNGER. I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER BUT I DO KNOW HE IS A CHILD.

I have said this MANY times before and I'll say it again; if that characters looks like a child, THEY ARE A CHILD.

Even if you age up characters like Ortho, Cheka, etc. You are still self-reporting that you're attracted to a literal child.

Fiction DOES affect reality no matter if you try to plug your mickey mouse ears with your fingers (or paws, I don't know) to gaslight yourself into believing it doesn't truly affect it.

In fact, there have been cases where people have been arrested for having l0li/sh0ta on their devices, though, sadly, its not a long sentence despite how it should be lifelong.

But even without the lifelong sentence, the law still considers l0li/sh0ta CSAM. (I hate calling it CP now since that implies that kids can do that in their own will.)

A grown adult proshipper even told me when I criticized Kanna from dragon maid for being a little girl the author sexualizes to no end all because I said that she doesn't have a listed age that I was being "contradicting" and I think this proves that.. proshippers DON'T know what contradictions ACTUALLY are because they've gaslit so much into believing this disgusting behavior is normal and okay to do.

And don't get me started on Dead Dove cai, chai, etc. bots and fanfics.

Dead Dove, proshipping, problematic comshipping, darkshipping, doveshipping, etc. doesn't give out awareness to the horrors of such depraved acts.

Another very nasty thing I've seen in the TWST fandom is people shipping the staff with the students, mainly Crewel with Deuce.

Teacher x Student is disgusting no matter what. Teachers are always more grown than the students, so yeah, teachers aren't the anime boy or girl of your dreams or something, he or she's going to be old and otherwise not "attractive" and young.

The training to become a teacher and any profession in fact will take years, which means you'll grow and turn old.

I understand many say "Well, it's just fiction!" but these people seem to forget that young individuals, especially young girls, can see these teacher x student fiction and will probably, in the worst case scenario, get the wrong impression from it, ESPECIALLY if the media glamorizes and romanticize it, and sadly become a victim.

Crewel, If I'm not wrong, is 31 meanwhile Deuce and the other first years that [Crewel] mainly gets shipped with are 16 years old.

This is not only a disgusting, vomit-inducing age gap but huge maturity gap whether one likes to admit so or not.

Yanderes especially in the twst fandom get romanticized, and people seem to forget the reality of the abuse that yanderes put their "love interest(s)" through.

And I think this is why fandoms (not just twst) should stop romanticizing yanderes and student x teacher, and vice versa.

Besides, these two tropes are grooming even if the victim is not a minor, adults and the elderly alike can also be groomed especially if they're gullible and need to depend on someone (for either a disability or something).

People will probably invalidate my point but I don't budge from what I said.

Sorry if this posts looks rushed and/or maybe even incoherent to some, I just wanted to get this off my chest and stuff.

I should start ranting more, I like yapping so yeah, expect more whenever I'm bored :3

Anyways, BAIIII!!

YOUTUBEEEEEE flies away into the void to the right

[sincerely-aaliyah]

"i'm not a pedophile i'm only attracted to fictional children!"

[bee-unknown]

"guys just because I consume pedophilic content about fictional characters doesn't mean I'm okay with pedophilia ;p"

It's not like the content you consume shapes your way of thinking and seeing the world, it's not like we consume things we like or agree with, it's not like the more we see something the more we normalize it

I don't care if it "helps" you cope with your trauma, and if your therapist is telling you to do it change therapist because you are being scammed

I never thought I, as an 18 year old, would have to say that being sexually attracted to a character who looks like a 6 year old and liking parent/child relationship is not okay, it's wrong, it's harmful, and puts children in danger

[darkosomatsuconfessions]

It's crazy to hate lolicons while being an ososan fan because man, Choromatsu is the most obvious lolicon character I've ever seen this man likes some fucked up hentai I'll tell you what

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[xx-slug-xx]

Honestly, I think being proship is really cool and antis aren't thinking about things as critically ash they should

I mean this in the way that most people who are proship or profit also are in support of freedom of speech and are against censorship. Both are innatly good btw!

I just think it's crazy that antis say that we're all "chronically online gooners" when it's really not out of the ordinary that people's interests in activism and freedom of speech overlap with their interests in fandom. Like, I'm being so serious when I say that free speech is good and that my views against censorship affect how I interact with art in a healthy way. I really don't understand it when antis talk about how we don't do anything productive with our stance in fandom spaces when being against the censorship of art and literature has an impact on the real world in more ways than antis seem to realize.

Book bans are bad. The erasure of queer art/writing is bad. The silencing of BIPOC voices and representation is bad. People should have access to libraries, art galleries, and archives to house the things that aren't in those places. Information being readily available is a good thing, and it goes without saying that the more information we have access to then the less people will believe things that are simply untrue. Bigotry controls how a lot of the world works, and you can see that fact everywhere. Anti-censorship means that, yes, bigots have the right to voice their god-awful opinions. But that also means that people who aren't full of hate also have that right. You can't take away someone's right to express themselves just because you personally don't like it. This goes for fiction as well as opinions that bigots may have. At the end of the day, fiction is just a means of expression in some magnitude. Everyone benefits. And even if bad people do benefit from it too, that just means that people who want the world to be a better, kinder place have just as much of a say on the matter. (Also, people giving out death threats and harassing people isn't exactly cool and doesn't qualify as freedom of speech when it's the threat of harm. That's just a crime at that point). You can't magically make the world a better place by being mad at people though. Hate only leads to more hate. But you can use your hate in a positive way by helping others and spreading information that people can actually benefit from. You have to take some sort of action to do something about making a difference in a positive way.

And I'm sorry, but just because loliso makes someone personally uncomfortable (me included), that doesn't give people the right to make it a crime to create or view it unless an actual child was harmed in the process of making it. And even then, it's when CSEM is used as reference material, and that's already illegal as it is. You can't get rid of something just because you don't like it.

I feel like the overlap that proship has with these real-world things can't be ignored. What do antis do though? Perpetuate censorship and witch hunts for something they don't like? Which really does more good in the real world and which does more harm in the end?

[godofautism]

The romanticization and usage of lolicon in anime are downright gross and pedophilia. They are children. There is no reason to draw a character purposefully to look suggestive and then make them a minor. I feel like people ignore the fact that this doesn't even happen to just young ages either. It happens to a lot of characters. I honestly think that regardless of a show's rating, underage characters shouldn't have unrealistic body proportions in the two most oversexualized parts of the body. The same damn thing happens to male characters, too. They romanticize having abs and being buff but ignore that their minors. Then, they oversexualize the feminine characters and never really address the fact that their children or teens.

[dendrofujoshi]

With Adam Ellis being a fucking dick to CSA survivors and mocking them and anyone standing up for them, I am going to enjoy lolisho harder. Scaramouche is a lolicon and pops boners thinking about his big sis Nahida. Jerks off thinking about her and cries because he loves her so much and wants to fuck her so bad.

Banner credit (they are protecting this post from antis together and also kissing)

[xia0mi-c0m]

another rant about Dragon Maid and it's G-d awful creator

!!WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS TOPICS SUCH AS L0LIC0N AND P3DO BAITING. BEFORE YOU COMMENT; THIS IS NOT A DEFENSE POST OF THESE TOPICS BUT RATHER A RANT ABOUT THE ANIME KOBAYASHI DRAGON MAID AND IT'S UNFUNNY, DISGUSTING HUMOR.

Let's just get straight to the point; Dragon Maid is straight up fucking gross. This animes whole fucking gag whenever Kanna is in a "questionable" position is that "Oh! Kobayashi finds this physically 6 year old [Kanna] girl hot! She's such a p3do! Lol!!!1!1!1!!" Which ISN'T FUCKING OKAY. IT'S NOT A GOOD FUCKING GAG NOR IS IT A GOOD JOKE. Jokes are supposed to be funny, pedophilia is not a joke. Children are harmed by the activities of predators and glorifying this and making it a "joke" is never okay no matter what. These jokes are also always out of place and let's not forget the disgusting design of Ilulu.

Before degenerates who desperately need to touch grass come into my comment section defending the creator by saying "Oh but they're dragons!" Both Ilulu and Kanna do not have actual ages stated on the wiki. But all we know is that KANNA IS PHYSICALLY 6 YEARS OLD. WITH NO HUMAN NOR DRAGON AGE LISTED. Whether you like it or not, that is full-blown dog whistling to predators.

Ilulu is so grotesquely designed for a girl who looks like a literal 7 year old. The Creator s3xualizes her especially because he made her have large breasts that are too big for her body for the sole purpose of s3xualizing her. REMINDER; SHE LOOKS LIKE A 7 YEAR OLD GIRL. In what way, shape or form, is that okay?

And them being a dragon ISN'T AN EXCUSE. We saw it in The Seven Deadly Sins with that fairy girl who was basically a child but the fandom defended the p3do-baiting by saying that she was a fairy and they were tiny so it's okay EVEN WHEN, AGAIN, THAT IS NOT AN EXCUSE.

If she or he looks like a child, they ARE a child, there's a difference between dwarves and petite individuals when it comes to comparing them to these L0lic0n characters. So, don't use that excuse with me either. If you're against proship or p3dophilia in general, then you're against Sh0tac0n and L0lic0n. Otherwise, you'd be a hypocrite.

And to go back on the "reality doesn't affect reality" thingy many people like to say, under FEDERAL LAW it is considered a crime to have paintings, images, and cartoons of minors in s3xually charged positions, and guess who usually are in these positions in dragon maid? KANNA AND ILULU. Even if these drawings or cartoons do not have real children, fictional children still counts, and when referring to children I'm talking about people under 18 in general. So, fiction DOES affect reality.

Basically, in short: FUCK THE DRAGON MAID CREATOR.

[darkosomatsuconfessions]

Their thoughts on proship:

Osomatsu: openly a proshipper, he doesn't like dark fiction himself and he's pretty vanilla but as a CSA survivor he understands people using it to cope and also he doesn't give a single shit about what some stranger on the internet get off to.

Karamatsu: he doesn't use the label because he's scared of being bullied for it, and he's not a darkshipper either, but he would never judge anyone for their taste in fiction or kinks, making him a proshipper in everything but name.

Choromatsu: on his main account, he acts like a proud anti. He has "proshitters dni" in his bio and calls people horrible things because of what they like. But he has a secret nsfw account... Where he's the most degenerate pervert lolicon hentai gooner ever. He's a massive hypocrite, he doesn't even believe in purity culture he's just doing that to fit in.

Ichimatsu: he's a furry feral nsfw artist and doesn't harass others for their taste so obviously he's a proshipper. He really doesn't handle the harassment well tho so after being called a zoophile once he dissapeared from the internet forever.

Jyushimatsu: he doesn't know what proship means and doesn't want to know, he doesn't care. He doesn't abuse anyone over ships and openly shares his bug kink, tho, so he's also a proshipper in everything but name. He will get angry at anti-porn rethoric and slut-shaming tho.

Todomatsu: he doesn't have convictions for any side, he's not deeply against censorship and he doesn't really believe in purity culture either. But he usually alligns himself with the antis to fit in with the normies. He will still call them out if they go too far (like if they sexually harass someone, are racist, etc) which happens a LOT.

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[xx-slug-xx]

hey thanks for answering my ask about lolishocons ahd. I wanted to say, you’re absolutely valid. Tbh, I feel the same way about lolishocons. The way they talk about it makes me uncomfortable, but I have nothing against them or their interests in general

Thanks anon! And it’s no problem at all tbh!

Glad I’m not the only one here who feels this way!

[xx-slug-xx]

You built a digimon evolution chart for shotas. That’s both hilarious and brilliant

The Anime Character Evolution Line

An anon asked me how I differentiate between kodo, shota and shounen so of course I had to not be normal and elaborate further on the topic since I see a lot of confusion going around! Also after all these months spent focusing solely on shotas, I think I've learned a lot and wanted to convey that as well! I hope this is clear enough and of course these are just two possible routes for anime characters (there are Average Joes and Baras as well for example) but I focused on them because they have a lot of similarities and the lines can get blurred quite often. I would also like to reiterate that while I do put some stress on the height of a character when considering if they can be a shota (because a 170cm dude obviously can't be one), height just like age is not the sole thing to consider! At times canon height make little sense to the viewer, for example Killua is technically 158cm in the official book, but his design does not convey that, why? Because his proportions are still so child-like! He is the prime example of a Shounen that you could easily call a Shota if you Don't Know (I personally called him one). So yeah, proportions, limbs' ratios, softness of the features and lastly height and age when trying to categorise a character in a scientific way!

Well I hope that wasn't too boring! You'll find the text on the images under the cut~

Toddler: under the 70cm mark, basically no neck, huge head, barely there arms and legs.

Kodomo: between 70cm and 90cm, limbs started to grow, still huge head.

Shota: proportions are similar to those of a kodo: head bigger than normal, short torso compared to the legs, soft features, a child-like character between 90cm and 140cm.

Shounen: less delicate features, more well proportioned and developed with just a bit of childless retained, usually up to 160cm

Femboy: when the character maintains the delicate traits of a shota but adds centimeters and his physique develops further with a longer torso and limbs and his head is more well proportioned (tinier).

Shota/Shounen Hybrid: Type A "Well, Yeah, Technically But": they are under 140cm but looks way more like a shounen. Type B the physical characteristics are similar to those of a shota but they're well past the 140cm mark.

Bishounen: growing up to become a character with still fair but less delicate features, not obligatory more "masculine" but definitely not "feminine" either. They're "beautiful boys" and the standard for what would count as an attractive male teen character.

Fem-Man: the ultimate form of the shota to femboy to adult pipeline. They keep the feminine aspects while also fully developing into an adult body!

Hottie: ultimate form of the shounen to bishounen to adult pipeline. The epitome of "hot man" with nothing in the design about their youthful days.

[darkosomatsuconfessions]

Anti anon back and uh. I never said I was pro-death threats or anything, if anything I think I hate death threats more than I do gross shipping.

And the whole 'proshipping created fandom! Heh, get outta here!! 😎😎' just sounds stupid because proshipping was made within fandom. People acted differently in the past because we had different morals at the time and many people didn't know how to act on the internet (ex: ppl sending death threats, ppl shipping crazy shit), but that doesn't mean people should still act that way.

Also I'm not interested in incest like you guys are, I just think it's an interesting topic like cannibalism. I can be against something and also like doing research about it. And if I didn't, I wouldn't have a good reason for not liking it bc "it's just gross and wrong!!" Is the same reason people used in the past for making things that aren't bad into crimes (like homosexuality), and it just sounds stupid.

And I don't hate you guys or anything, I'm just mildly grossed out and annoyed. I'd hate you guys if you were like. Lolicons. or shipped minor x adult or something. THEN I'd hate you guys. (My standards have really gone down since Twitter.)

Proshippers did create fandoms, since fandoms were created on principles such as ship and let ship, proship beliefs

And darkshippers such as lolicons are welcome here as long as it’s only fiction, of course. Anyone supporting anything horrible like that irl won’t get their ask published (luckily I never got such asks before)

(Also sorry if I make mistakes, I’m not a native speaker)

[vallcro]

Tw/Cw: Kinda A Vent(Wasn’t Meant To Be One But Can Be Read That Way), Suicidal Thoughts And Actions, Implied CSA,Mention Of Trauma Kinks(No Explicit NSFW), Shipcourse

I Feel Kinda Bad For Anti’s TBH Bc I Use To Be Heavily Involved In Antific Spaces And It Really Ruined My Mental Health.

Even When I Was In Anti Spaces I Was Still Technically A Darkshipper And Still Had Trauma-Related Kinks(Bc I Literally Couldn’t And Still Can’t Just Change The Way My Brain Auto-Copes Lol) And I Genuinely Thought I Was A Monster And Predator For Something Completely Out Of My Control.

It Got So Bad I Tried To Take My Own Life To Prevent Myself From Hurting Others Despite The Fact I Had Never Even Thought About Harming Anyone Or Anything Real In That Way Bc Constantly Being Told Being Profiction And Liking Darkships Makes You A Pedo And That Drawing Were Equivalent To ‘CP’(Ik CSEM Is The Correct Term But Anti’s Never Use It) Had Me Genuinely Convinced I Was On The Same Level As Real Predators Who Harm(ed) Real Living Creatures.

It Even Set Me Back On Coming To Terms With Being Ace Bc If Liking LoliSho Or Feral Means I’m Sexually Attracted To Real Kids And Animals Than Obvi I Can’t Be Asexual Right?? LOL

Whenever I See Anti’s Especially Ones Who Are Openly (C)SA Survivors And Talk About Having Trauma Kinks They Have To ‘Recover From’ Or That They’re ‘Recovering From Proshipping’ I Just Can’t Help But Think “You Poor Thing You’re Probably Going Through The Same Thing I Did”

Maybe I’m Stupid But I Can’t Stop Myself From Being Sad For Them Bc Being A Aggressive Anti Is Literally Traumatizing Sometime To This Day I Still Question If Being Profic Is Wrong Of Me And I Am Secretly A Predator In Denial I Can Only Imagine How Much Harder It Would Be For Someone Who Had Been Stuck In Anti Spaces Longer Than Me

[xx-slug-xx]

“Will be blocked if you are anti-para” -ok!

“Will be blocked if you are pro contact” -cool!

“Lolisho is a blockable offense and you suck if you like or support it” -something sounds…strange here

“You can draw lolisho characters as long as it’s not even mildly suggestive in the slightest. This means you MUST know the typically sfw scenarios a character could be in, but they are MEANT to suggest nsfw! I know them and how to spot them! Let me explain!” -why do you know so much about lolisho art and what things could insinuate while trying to police the art people make?

“I love gore and killers! I post nasty fucked up shit! Buts it’s ok because I know it’s bad irl!” -oh your just a hypocrite

On today's episode of antis 📺

Part 2

So this person doesn't like when people make loli / shotacon art but they can have interest south park and couple other things that would be considered proship plus their content warning took me for a loop some of the things that stood out was the " mention of snuff films " like HUH !? ~ ☆

[hospitalizedbunny]

(Not an Anti; TW for Grooming mention!)

@ The previous hate anon talking about how lolisho and whatnot should exist because it "could be used to groom a child".

A man tried to groom me using Animal Crossing. Not NSFW art or anything, the video game. Should we ban that? Should we ban puppies and candy because it could be used to lure kids? Or should we ban kitchen knives because it could be used to murder someone? Cause that's how anon sounds.

(PS You're doing great OP! ❤️)

This!

Antis should acknowledge this.

Literally EVERYTHING can be used badly, does that mean we should just ban everything?

(Thank you so much 🫶)