#lolisho mention

[just-antithings]

just “””””anti anti””””” things: “I’m proship, but loli/Shotacons are pedophiles!!”

ah! So you’re not proship

Yea, you see that a lot in pro yandere spaces, too, unfortunately.

[vergess]

6, 87

6: Do you like to be dominant or submissive?

Yes, I am what the kids call "a switch." I am also a verse, but that's unrelated.

(Switch: interested in domming and subbing; verse: interested in both penetrating and penetration)

If I were to say I prefer one, I would say subbing, but you'd be hard pressed to calm my anxiety enough to actually get me to sub for you at this point. It's a process that sometimes takes months. You're better off having a scene with both me and Ari instead of just me if you want a sub.

87. What kind of porn do you like to watch?

Anything that doesn't actually feature the human body in a photorealistic capacity. All film is right out. I get so anxious watching people.

So I mostly use comics/doujin. If I'm particularly invested in the audio visual experience, I turn to furry porn animators, who man. If you think furries have a lot of talented 2D artists, wait until you see some of the voice work there people pull off, holy shit.

Um, unless this question is about content, not medium?

I know this will come as a huuuuuge shock to everyone following me (<- sarcasm), but I mostly read F/F siscon stuff, or gender benders (transgender, transformation, futa, etc etc you get the drill).

Now, long time viewers may be thinking, "Where's the lolicon, Vees, tell us about the lolis." The thing about the lolis is, most lolicon at this point utilizes the trope of the Fat Ugly Bastard to "exacerbate" the "horror" of the situation. I am fat and ugly; being constantly called a monster to my face makes it hard to fuck good.

Send me an ask, 1-92.

[sunnysatori]

dumbass anti: “but lolisho is illegal in [country]!”

[Image ID: Black text on a white background. It reads as follows:

“67 jurisdictions criminalise private, consensual, same-sex sexual activity. The majority of these jurisdictions explicitly criminalise sex between men via ‘sodomy’, ‘buggery’ and ‘unnatural offences’ laws. Almost half of them are Commonwealth jurisdictions.

41 countries criminalise private, consensual sexual activity between women using laws against ‘lesbianism’, ‘sexual relations with a person of the same sex’ and ‘gross indecency’. Even in jurisdictions that do not explicitly criminalise women, lesbians and bisexual women have been subjected to arrest or threat of arrest.

11 countries have jurisdictions in which the death penalty is imposed or at least a possibility for private, consensual same-sex sexual activity. At least 6 of these implement the death penalty – Iran, Northern Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Yemen – and the death penalty is a legal possibility in Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Pakistan, Qatar and UAE. 

14 countries criminalise the gender identity and/or expression of transgender people, using so-called ‘cross-dressing’, ‘impersonation’ and ‘disguise’ laws. In many more countries transgender people are targeted by a range of laws that criminalise same-sex activity and vagrancy, hooliganism and public order offences.”

End Image ID.]

Source: https://www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation/

[hearts4ayame]

lolicons are so fucking disgusting. how could you look at a little kid (fiction or not) and like them? how could you look at a little kid and decide that you're gonna draw nsfw of them?

you're mentally ill. get a therapist. spend time off the the internet and touch grass (don't go anywhere near a kid though).

if i was your parents, i'd be ashamed. i feel bad for your parents because i know that they are so disappointed and ashamed of you.

(making this post because i saw nsfw of ANYA from spy x family 😭😭)

[sc0moftheanimatiomindustry]

I didn’t touch on Saberspark’s defense of Gabe too much because it had nothing to do with the initial video

Yes their relationship may not be illegal, but Gabriel knew Claire when she was at least 13. He invited her to dinner dates and was extremely close to her during that time, and eventually even led her to resent her own parents. That’s something groomers do, they often isolate their victims and ostracize them from their family.

This doesn’t prove he groomed Claire however. Sure there’s nothing we can 100% prove, and Claire herself said she wasn’t groomed, but when her parents were rightfully concerned about the situation, and were not invited to their wedding, Saberspark insulted her father

I will point out that even if their relationship is legal, I think there are more factors at play that Saberspark isn’t aware of, or denies.

Now to the video itself, it had the following issues:

He questioned the validity of art therapy and claimed the “repercussions” Ang faced over her drawings are the same repercussions as CSEM

he made it sound like Ang and Kyle were “toxic coworkers” and claimed not to like either of them directly after talking about Ang’s attempted suicide

he got some other facts wrong about Kyle, such as him being hired by Startoons which never happened.

the video was only made because he wanted to talk about the Kyle situation while it’s still a hot topic

his research of the whole situation was shallow and dubious at best. And i would certainly like to strengthen the fact that he’s absolutely allowed to not like lolisho, but it is disingenuous and awful to claim Ang’s art she coped with was the same as csam.

I am so immensely tired that people are STILL blaming Ang, one of Kyle's victims, and call her "just as bad" for coping with Invader Zim nsfw she kept on a PRIVATE account

now youtuber "saberspark" talked about the situation in an hour long video and did exactly that, he said "both of them are bad"

Kyle is a pedophile who was arrested for owning 600 child sexual abuse images. You CANT compare that to someone lewding Invader Zim characters, they don't exist!

But hey, apparently both Kyle and Saberspark were totally cool with posting this, yet Ang is the one who isn't a real victim and has to hide

He also defended an adult waiting to reciprocate a minor's crush until the minor "was at least 20"

[bee-unknown]

"guys just because I consume pedophilic content about fictional characters doesn't mean I'm okay with pedophilia ;p"

It's not like the content you consume shapes your way of thinking and seeing the world, it's not like we consume things we like or agree with, it's not like the more we see something the more we normalize it

I don't care if it "helps" you cope with your trauma, and if your therapist is telling you to do it change therapist because you are being scammed

I never thought I, as an 18 year old, would have to say that being sexually attracted to a character who looks like a 6 year old and liking parent/child relationship is not okay, it's wrong, it's harmful, and puts children in danger

[just-antithings]

Hey can someone explain the difference between a lolicon and a shotacon? /genq

I see em mentioned/talked about as if they were the same thing so like r they just different words for the same thing or are they different

Lolicon is girl shotacon is boys. That's it. It's just gender.

[sincerely-aaliyah]

"i'm not a pedophile i'm only attracted to fictional children!"

[xx-slug-xx]

Honestly, I think being proship is really cool and antis aren't thinking about things as critically ash they should

I mean this in the way that most people who are proship or profit also are in support of freedom of speech and are against censorship. Both are innatly good btw!

I just think it's crazy that antis say that we're all "chronically online gooners" when it's really not out of the ordinary that people's interests in activism and freedom of speech overlap with their interests in fandom. Like, I'm being so serious when I say that free speech is good and that my views against censorship affect how I interact with art in a healthy way. I really don't understand it when antis talk about how we don't do anything productive with our stance in fandom spaces when being against the censorship of art and literature has an impact on the real world in more ways than antis seem to realize.

Book bans are bad. The erasure of queer art/writing is bad. The silencing of BIPOC voices and representation is bad. People should have access to libraries, art galleries, and archives to house the things that aren't in those places. Information being readily available is a good thing, and it goes without saying that the more information we have access to then the less people will believe things that are simply untrue. Bigotry controls how a lot of the world works, and you can see that fact everywhere. Anti-censorship means that, yes, bigots have the right to voice their god-awful opinions. But that also means that people who aren't full of hate also have that right. You can't take away someone's right to express themselves just because you personally don't like it. This goes for fiction as well as opinions that bigots may have. At the end of the day, fiction is just a means of expression in some magnitude. Everyone benefits. And even if bad people do benefit from it too, that just means that people who want the world to be a better, kinder place have just as much of a say on the matter. (Also, people giving out death threats and harassing people isn't exactly cool and doesn't qualify as freedom of speech when it's the threat of harm. That's just a crime at that point). You can't magically make the world a better place by being mad at people though. Hate only leads to more hate. But you can use your hate in a positive way by helping others and spreading information that people can actually benefit from. You have to take some sort of action to do something about making a difference in a positive way.

And I'm sorry, but just because loliso makes someone personally uncomfortable (me included), that doesn't give people the right to make it a crime to create or view it unless an actual child was harmed in the process of making it. And even then, it's when CSEM is used as reference material, and that's already illegal as it is. You can't get rid of something just because you don't like it.

I feel like the overlap that proship has with these real-world things can't be ignored. What do antis do though? Perpetuate censorship and witch hunts for something they don't like? Which really does more good in the real world and which does more harm in the end?

[godofautism]

The romanticization and usage of lolicon in anime are downright gross and pedophilia. They are children. There is no reason to draw a character purposefully to look suggestive and then make them a minor. I feel like people ignore the fact that this doesn't even happen to just young ages either. It happens to a lot of characters. I honestly think that regardless of a show's rating, underage characters shouldn't have unrealistic body proportions in the two most oversexualized parts of the body. The same damn thing happens to male characters, too. They romanticize having abs and being buff but ignore that their minors. Then, they oversexualize the feminine characters and never really address the fact that their children or teens.

[xia0mi-c0m]

another rant about Dragon Maid and it's G-d awful creator

!!WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS TOPICS SUCH AS L0LIC0N AND P3DO BAITING. BEFORE YOU COMMENT; THIS IS NOT A DEFENSE POST OF THESE TOPICS BUT RATHER A RANT ABOUT THE ANIME KOBAYASHI DRAGON MAID AND IT'S UNFUNNY, DISGUSTING HUMOR.

Let's just get straight to the point; Dragon Maid is straight up fucking gross. This animes whole fucking gag whenever Kanna is in a "questionable" position is that "Oh! Kobayashi finds this physically 6 year old [Kanna] girl hot! She's such a p3do! Lol!!!1!1!1!!" Which ISN'T FUCKING OKAY. IT'S NOT A GOOD FUCKING GAG NOR IS IT A GOOD JOKE. Jokes are supposed to be funny, pedophilia is not a joke. Children are harmed by the activities of predators and glorifying this and making it a "joke" is never okay no matter what. These jokes are also always out of place and let's not forget the disgusting design of Ilulu.

Before degenerates who desperately need to touch grass come into my comment section defending the creator by saying "Oh but they're dragons!" Both Ilulu and Kanna do not have actual ages stated on the wiki. But all we know is that KANNA IS PHYSICALLY 6 YEARS OLD. WITH NO HUMAN NOR DRAGON AGE LISTED. Whether you like it or not, that is full-blown dog whistling to predators.

Ilulu is so grotesquely designed for a girl who looks like a literal 7 year old. The Creator s3xualizes her especially because he made her have large breasts that are too big for her body for the sole purpose of s3xualizing her. REMINDER; SHE LOOKS LIKE A 7 YEAR OLD GIRL. In what way, shape or form, is that okay?

And them being a dragon ISN'T AN EXCUSE. We saw it in The Seven Deadly Sins with that fairy girl who was basically a child but the fandom defended the p3do-baiting by saying that she was a fairy and they were tiny so it's okay EVEN WHEN, AGAIN, THAT IS NOT AN EXCUSE.

If she or he looks like a child, they ARE a child, there's a difference between dwarves and petite individuals when it comes to comparing them to these L0lic0n characters. So, don't use that excuse with me either. If you're against proship or p3dophilia in general, then you're against Sh0tac0n and L0lic0n. Otherwise, you'd be a hypocrite.

And to go back on the "reality doesn't affect reality" thingy many people like to say, under FEDERAL LAW it is considered a crime to have paintings, images, and cartoons of minors in s3xually charged positions, and guess who usually are in these positions in dragon maid? KANNA AND ILULU. Even if these drawings or cartoons do not have real children, fictional children still counts, and when referring to children I'm talking about people under 18 in general. So, fiction DOES affect reality.

Basically, in short: FUCK THE DRAGON MAID CREATOR.

[darkosomatsuconfessions]

Their thoughts on proship:

Osomatsu: openly a proshipper, he doesn't like dark fiction himself and he's pretty vanilla but as a CSA survivor he understands people using it to cope and also he doesn't give a single shit about what some stranger on the internet get off to.

Karamatsu: he doesn't use the label because he's scared of being bullied for it, and he's not a darkshipper either, but he would never judge anyone for their taste in fiction or kinks, making him a proshipper in everything but name.

Choromatsu: on his main account, he acts like a proud anti. He has "proshitters dni" in his bio and calls people horrible things because of what they like. But he has a secret nsfw account... Where he's the most degenerate pervert lolicon hentai gooner ever. He's a massive hypocrite, he doesn't even believe in purity culture he's just doing that to fit in.

Ichimatsu: he's a furry feral nsfw artist and doesn't harass others for their taste so obviously he's a proshipper. He really doesn't handle the harassment well tho so after being called a zoophile once he dissapeared from the internet forever.

Jyushimatsu: he doesn't know what proship means and doesn't want to know, he doesn't care. He doesn't abuse anyone over ships and openly shares his bug kink, tho, so he's also a proshipper in everything but name. He will get angry at anti-porn rethoric and slut-shaming tho.

Todomatsu: he doesn't have convictions for any side, he's not deeply against censorship and he doesn't really believe in purity culture either. But he usually alligns himself with the antis to fit in with the normies. He will still call them out if they go too far (like if they sexually harass someone, are racist, etc) which happens a LOT.

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[fight-nights-at-freddys]

didn't wanna reblog from them bc holy shit. are they saying ppl that like kodocon/adult x child are pedos?? i genuinely can't tell

also pedophilia isn't a kink and saying that is so dangerous and gross, it's a paraphilia, and classified as such for a reason. i hate these kinds of people

ALSO wtf is a chrono kid? you mean a child?? fictional characters ≠ real kids WHY ARE WE CONFLATING THE TWO

[scientistservant]

if you don't mind me asking, who's meatcanyon and why are they a hypocrite? i'm just curious lol

MeatCanyon, or Papa Meat, is a Youtuber who makes very crude and physically ugly animations about popular cartoons and other Youtubers.

He uploaded a video yesterday going after the lolisho community/anime community as a whole, calling them pedophiles while getting the terms loli and shota wrong (he also misspelled shota as “shouto”.)

What’s hypocritical about this is some of his animations have characters from both American/Canadian and Asian cartoons, that are supposed to be minors, in very sexual situations. There was also one animation he made riffing on Tom Brady kissing his real-life son on the mouth but he made it a make-out session and it went on for way longer.

He’s been deleting comments off the lolisho video that bring up his hypocrisy and correct him about the terms he used.

I’m not even a fan of lolisho to be honest, don’t really watch anime all that much anymore, except for a few series I like (Digimon, YuGiOh (Duel Monsters) Hellsing, and Berserk, to name a few!) but I’m sick and tired of having this kind of stuff being talked about by those who aren’t in the anime community and accusing people in said community of horrible things, especially when Papa Meat is an animator and should know the difference between cartoon anime girls and actual, real life children.

[warmshotamilk]

I want to do very bad things to Peter Pan (Disney version specifically)

One of the few shotas I want to assault violently with malicious intent (but still lovingly as well)

[dendrofujoshi]

With Adam Ellis being a fucking dick to CSA survivors and mocking them and anyone standing up for them, I am going to enjoy lolisho harder. Scaramouche is a lolicon and pops boners thinking about his big sis Nahida. Jerks off thinking about her and cries because he loves her so much and wants to fuck her so bad.

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