#limbus canto 6 spoilers

[mtmrem]

[sharoo]

Why there can only be one - a Limbus Theory

Massive Canto 6.2 spoilers

So... Canto 6.2, amirite?

After I stopped having a screaming fit over voice chat and got myself to actually sit down and mull things over, my mind kept coming back to the ending of this part's final fight against Heathcliff(?).

As they have done numerous times already, Projmoon brings in our relevant Sinner's personal E.G.O. in the most emotionally high moment creating an iconic scene.

But... wait a minute.

The E.G.O. does not make sense.

Like, think about it. Since Limbus started, people have been speculating about what's in the Bodysack, one of the biggest theories being Cathy's corpse. But our Heathcliff never had his revenge quest. He hasn't killed anyone from the Earnshaws or the Edgars until Hindley distorted!

So why the heck does he have a sack of bodies of (presumably) his enemies. And why is the final attack of Heathcliff(?)'s fight in the cemetery?

Heath wasn't there when Cathy died. He didn't go to her grave. He did not swear revenge on everyone and anyone who caused him and her suffering.

Not yet.

But... we do see someone who did, don't we? Dear old "Matt".

He is the book accurate Heathcliff. He's stood vigil while Cathy lay dying, he followed suit by destroying everyone and everything of the Earnshaws and the Edgars, and now he's on a self-destructive suicide quest of killing every last version of himself for causing Cathy's death.

The E.G.O. fits him much more than it does our Heathcliff, doesn't it?

So... why does Heathcliff have it?

This was the beginning of a rabbit hole (pun intended). Let me state plainly my point and then elaborate:

My theory is that our Heathcliff has been suffering from "identity bleed-through" since perhaps even before joining Limbus Companny, all due to the existence of "Matt" in the same universe as him.

"Matt" is outright called an Identity, meaning he's an alternate reality version of Heathcliff, a more book accurate version, as I remarked earlier.

He presumably finished his revenge quest until he was the last one left, but then he discovered, by some means, that alternate realities exist and that he can access them.

We do not know who showed him that technology or for what purpose, but regardless of those factors, that must've been the breaking point at which self-destruction became a hunt.

He says he's seen Hindley die multiple times, multiple ways.

He's a reality hopper, using his access to this technology (supplied to him by we don't know who) to play this act out again and again, until he's had his revenge.

How would this affect our Heathcliff, tho?

Let's consider the ImplicationsTM.

Wehave known since Selva Oscura how Identities work - you borrow a person's alternate reality self for a little while, letting them overwrite memories and take over the body. Faust even calls it a transformation:

But notice how she specifies something rather important: they have a system to ensure the Sinners can use Identities safely. That they, quote, don't lose control over their own existence.

And even this system can be faulty, as Dante remarks in their note:

Faust knows this process is risky, that the lines can easily blur, and we know just how much damage this can cause because Leviathan outright shows us the psychological and physical toll this process can have on a person.

We even see the same thing in Canto 6 itself, with the hundred glass containers filled with kidnapped people forced to experience numerous realities at once.

Some of them even turn into Peccatula because of it, and we fight those newly made monsters.

So experiencing other realities alone can harm you, change you without even realising it.

What would happen, then, if more than one identity existed in the same reality at the same time?

My theory hinges on the idea that these identities would not just count as two separate people, that is true. But let's go with that train of thought. It is just as likely an outcome (and it produces an interesting story!), and between all the magic-esque technology and the Light, it's possible that something would get messed up.

Two people where there is meant to be one, two very different lives, and reality cannot really allow that separation. Things would bleed through, they'd get all blurry and you wouldn't even know where the difference is.

We have Matt-cliff, an Identity who has travelled at least a few universes, in each carrying out a scheme to kill everyone who hurt Cathy, including that reality's Heathcliff. In the books, it takes him his entire adulthood to carry out his plans. He's persistent, and thorough. In Limbus, he's had to arrive, kidnap several dozens of people (maybe with the help of the Ring, since they seem to be funding all of this research), re-establish the Wild Rabbits, get Hindley's trust, get hired, and scheme this reality's revenge plot.

That would have taken weeks if not months of prepwork. You don't just snap your fingers and have it all done.

I posit that Matt has been a factor for the past several months that Heath has spent, in universe, as part of Limbus company, if not longer. Throughout this time, their shared existence in this reality has caused their experiences, memories, and emotions to mix. And that isn't just my conjecture, we see that Heathcliff is indeed experiencing alternate universe memories we he starts to Distort and we (and Dante) see him see Mattcliff's grief.

[Thank you to my buddy @firestorm09890 for pointing this out to help me solidify this theory]

The way I see it, Bodysack is that.

A memory and an emotion of a reality travelling bloodhound imprinting itself on Heathcliff. It was foreshadowing his existence, it was staring us in the face that something is not right. The influence of another self can lead a person to corrupt and Heath had a slow trickle of it for nearly a year.

So... maybe it wasn't as surprising that he is our first Distorted Sinner.

I can't really see how it'd make sense in universe Heath has it otherwise, and I know Projmoon to be meticulous planners so I doubt this is an oversight on their part.

Guess we'll have to see next Thursday when 6.3 comes out and breaks me into tiny bits.

Anyway thanks for coming here to read this longass post.

[negativezero2]

Canto 6 RE: Nelly

This might have been obvious cuz I might be slow, but Nellys' actions funnily mirror Heathcliff's and Catharine's. She saw in every world she was run ragged by the two's squabbles... but instead of trying to get the two to connect, she actively facilitated them pulling each other apart.

Like, she HAD the letters Heath sent, she could have written back to him and tried to get the two to connect, and maybe ask them to free her of servitude... but she didn't. She committed the same sin, in a way. Heath & Cathy sacrificed Nelly in the pursuit on their destructive romance. Nelly sacrificed Heath & Cathy in the pursuit of her freedom.

It's really poetic, I like what they did with her, and I hope to see 'er again, maybe even as a part of Hermann's crew.

[negativezero2]

limbus company chapter 6

[blazemalefica]

𝘌𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦 𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦. 𝘉𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘏𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘤𝘭𝘪𝘧𝘧.

[livisart]

literally all i can imagine seeing ryoshu's new ID:

[daily-odile]

sorry guys I'm just REALLY in my limbus phase

(limbus loop courtesy of @wonder-of-the-stars. you can also blame oudile on them too)

[slugpup2]

text post to commemorate one of my friends finally beating canto 6

[sleepyminty]

SPOILER FOR CANTO 6 AND 7

Subtle foreshadowing

[buzzsawbrando]

can someone dump this guy into a vat of acid for me.

[luv4lain]

Clear All ◻◻◻◻◻

[sharoo]

Canto 6.3 predictions/stuff i think would be cool

Spoilers for everything up to 6-34 (obvi)

So Heathcliff is now distorting (fun!).

I saw someone propose that the entirety of 6.3 will be chasing Distortion Heath around the manor as he tries to break all of that apart, which would be really fitting honestly (and gives up more time to enjoy whatever pecked up stuff we'll see through the fathoms of a distorted sinner).

Part of me thinks that the Sinners will work to free Cathy from the coffin (I doubt she's dead honestly, more in deep sleep and being used for whatever's happening in the basement) and they run after Heathcliff to try and calm him down, since only Cathy can clear up that misunderstanding.

I also am holding out for Distortion Detective gang making an appearance, if not in person to help guide Dante and the Sinners through helping Heath, then at least providing guidance over a phonecall.

Pleeeeeeaaaaase Projmoon I'd love to hear canon voices for Moses and Ezra.

Anyway yeah I'm excited for the "i know you're in there somewhere" fight with the entire gang having promised to beat the sense into Heath if something went wrong.

It'll prove a point of difference between our Heath and the Dead Rabbit Boss - Limbus Company's Heathcliff is not alone, and he does have a place where he belongs, where he is wanted.

Because if Projmoon games are about anything they're about how connections can change you and how in a City that does not care about you, your friends will.

[negativezero2]

Ok so it's time for CANTO 6 THOUGHTS, full spoilers

holy shit damnatio memoriae. I loved this chapter because it just kept hitting, and it was damn relentless! I don't know how to explain the feeling of this chapter as a whole, but I adore the fact that in a way, it became a Shakespearian tragedy.

The line "I have not broken your heart — you have; and in breaking it, you have broken mine." is so deeply integral to the chapter because it's applicable to both of them. The inability to communicate dooming two people into believing they were responsible for the others suffering, and through that committing the same actions.

In a way, the deletion of Catharine felt like overkill, yet thinking about it, if they didn't, it would simply happen again.

Also holy shit Nelly. I both feel bad for her and am also mad at her, which might be part of the point. Mild theory I have; I think next time we meet her, she'll be a part of N corp. She's a strong fighter, after all. Who's to say they couldn't sway her into helping in some way?

The wild hunt, ough. That shit was so cool to see, a precession of the dead, and in the end Erlcliff not being able to see Cathy... Ough. The whole chapter hurt, but in a way that felt different than 1.

(I'll talk about gameplayer stuff in another post cuz this's already long)

[venomgaia]

sm limbus scribbles too frm the past weeks between workin on things!

[knoxise]

league of nine

[cursedxwt]

Do not use that mirror, Heathcliff...