#like we should be appealing to cis people and their ideas of gender and fit into their binary like it’ll make them hate us any less UG
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The dolly trans women are honestly gonna have to get comfortable with the fact that some trans women are just Some Guy
#i don’t mean trans women are guys btw. I mean like. sometimes a trans woman is like. I’m just some guy (but they’re still a woman)#this probably only makes sense to people it makes sense to. idk how else to word it.#this was spurred on by something that made me ANGY. truscum/transmed people not liking when a trans woman doesn’t ‘pass’ basically#and they don’t want them to be visible as trans women so they invalidate them. and act like THOSE people aren’t real trans women WE are#like we should be appealing to cis people and their ideas of gender and fit into their binary like it’ll make them hate us any less UG#people can be silly with gender. again. gender is a concept made up to oppress us. we don’t have to play by its rules.#SORRY UGH I just. I’m angry. sorry if this is upsetting. I’m just going insane going feralllll
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Do you think that most people don’t ship Laudna with Ashton because they desire explicitly queer or homosexual relationships portrayed and even though Ashton is he/they, Ashton is still voiced by a man and “acts like” a masculine man, that somehow reads that Laudna and he/they would be in a “heterosexual” relationship?
I ask because it seems like the official reason “reason” for not shipping Ashna is pretty flimsy (“Oh, they only give off brother/sister/sibling vibes” well yeah but Laudna’s relationship with Imogen could also be read as sisterly)
People also seem to ignore that even if Laudna is bi/pan/demi, so far the main targets of her possible romantic/crush/dating interests were described as or shown to be male or mostly male presenting.
Therefore, they shouldn’t see it as out of left field if some fans ship Laudna/Dorian, Laudna/Ashton, Laudna/Eshteross, Laudna/Whitestone Andy, Laudna/Pretty, Laudna/Minotaur Dude in addition to or instead of Laudna/Imogen, Laudna/Fearne, and Laudna/Imogen/Fearne, etc. (No Laudna/Chetney because our gnome-wolf is too devoted to his Fae-Lady to consider anyone else 😆). Nor should they claim queer baiting of Laudna does wind up with someone other than Imogen (weirdly enough, that term is thrown around even if the character’s official love interest isn’t a member of the opposite sex just because they didn’t end up with the preferred same-sex person)
I dunno. Just curious. At the end of the day, people have the freedom to ship whatever they want because that’s what they like; I’m just tired of some of the more annoying shippers trying to force their own ship on others and be offended if someone else prefers a different ship.
Sorry for the rant.
No it's okay, Anon; I get you.
I certainly think a perception of Ashna as a het relationship could be a contributing factor to many people's disinterest in it. There is a pervasive notion in fandom culture of certain things not being "queer enough" along very predictable lines that reflect discourses in the queer community at large. As an ace demigirl, I am deeply familiar with this problem.
Ashton's gender is unspecified, but we know he's nonbinary because he's a he/they, but because he presents in a masculine way and is comfortable with he/him, this places him in a weird "not a pure nonbinary" box in people's minds because he doesn't fit the fully androgynous image people have of nb people. As result of being "nb lite", his potential relationship with a female character is seen as a m/f ship, and therefore once again "not queer enough" to be interesting. (Side note: Taliesin has talked about genderqueer experiences before, so I hesitate to assume he's a cis man, but his masculine presentation is certainly an aspect of people's perception of Ashton.)
I do see a lot of Im*dna shippers talking about how they perceive Ashton and Laudna as a sibling type relationship, and you're right, people could easily read it the other way around. I definitely perceive Imogen and Laudna as a sisterly best friend relationship and Ashton and Laudna (especially Ashton's attentions to Laudna) as hinting at romantic interest. It troubles me that so many people take the attitude that there's only one correct way to look at it, even though there has been no confirmation of anything and we're all floating in the soup of ambiguity.
The notion that it'll be queerbaiting if Laudna ends up with someone other than Imogen (esp. if said someone is masc) is fucking ridiculous, and I severely need people to check the definition of queerbaiting. Someone already did a good post on the notion of queerbaiting in CR, so I won't rehash all the points, but yeah, there very much is this implied idea of certain outcomes not being queer enough to be appealing or even acceptable.
Ashton queers everything they touch just by being themself, but again, because they present in a masc way, any ships with female characters get categorized as het and thereby disregarded.
Then there's the matter of Laudna's sexuality, which is unknown, but we do know that she's attracted to men and isn't categorically opposed to the attentions of a nonbinary person. We don't know if she's attracted to women, but it's certainly possible. The notion of Laudna as mspec and/or aspec in a relationship with a masc character seems to not be queer enough for a lot of people (especially the latter, but that's a whole other essay), as it is perceived as "basically het" and somehow queerbaiting. This is kinda bringing me back to the days of Campaign 1 and the huge fit people threw over Vaxilmore vs. Vaxleth, calling it queerbaiting and homophobic, despite the fact that Vax is bi and Keyleth is demi, so there was no actual loss of queer rep (not to mention the fact that the people who play those characters aren't straight).
Long story short, there's a lot of unexamined and unspoken biased against nbs, mspecs, and aspecs in the way people perceive and talk about character relationships because of the pervasive idea that these identities don't provide good enough queer representation, especially among main characters. I think that could definitely be a strong contributing factor in people's unwillingness to consider and leave room for the possibility of a Laudna and Ashton ending up together.
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girlbosses, male wives, and other lesbian genders
a post about jing wei qing shang. but also mostly about another unrelated movie. spoiler-free.
for a lot of people, mulan 1998 is their definitive “ohhh i’m a chinese woman dressing as a man for contrived reasons and i get absolutely nooo erotic pleasure from this” movie.
however, because i am very special and unique, for me it’s the love eterne 1963. it’s the shaw brothers adaptation of butterfly lovers, the classic chinese folktale. here’s how i’d summarize the movie:
zhu yingtai, an aspiring scholar, convinces her parents to let her dress as a man to attend school. on the way there, she meets liang shanbo, another prospective student, and they become sworn brothers. they study together for three years, growing closer, until zhu yingtai returns home. liang shangbo accompanies her for the eighteen-li journey home while she hints she’s a woman, but he remains oblivious. by the time he learns her gender, her parents have engaged her to another man. he dies of grief, and while she mourns at his grave, it splits open, and she buries herself inside with him. two scraps of her torn outfit turn into butterflies and fly away.
it’s worth noting here that like. this movie is made in the huangmei opera style. so both zhu yingtai and liang shanbo are played by women (betty loh ti and ivy ling po respectively). because of this, basically every level of the film is preoccupied with gender: if we take zhu yingtai’s male performance as credible (as the characters in the movie do) the leads bond through male homoeroticism; the text is ultimately about a heterosexual romance; it is acted out by two women, in a performance that is difficult to mistake as heterosexual or even feminine; and the dialogue of the movie can’t help but remark on this.
basically it asks: what if lesbians could be gay both ways? wouldn’t that be based?
like opera was traditionally made by single gender casts, so roles tended to be genderless, in that the gender of the actor doesn’t determine the gender of the role they play. roles are instead typed into four categories: dan (fem), sheng (masc), chou (clown), and jing (painted face). it’s a sick gender quadinary. each of these roles has further subtypes that are represented through stylized patterns of singing, makeup, costuming, movement etc.
so in butterfly lovers, betty loh ti plays a dan, and ivy ling po plays a sheng. but because of the textual cross-gender play, you end up with a woman playing a woman playing a man who falls in love with a woman playing a man.
i’m going to make a brief digression here into talking about like.. acting theory. in the european tradition, you see it evolving out of early concerns (from stanislavski, brecht) about the fourth wall, and its permeability or lack thereof. in chinese opera tradition, the fourth wall didn’t ever really exist. and mei lanfang, the legendary fanchuan performer, claimed that his success wasn’t just due to his appearance, but rather, his mastery of some nonliteral feminine subjectivity.
If I kept my male feelings, even just a trace, it will betray my true self; then how can I compete for the audience’s affection for feminine beauty and guile?
i’m not going to argue that there’s like, an essence to being a woman because i’m not a fucking idiot. but there’s something to be said for the idea that the gendered interplay between the audience’s perception of the actor, the actor’s perception of themself, and the character they play is a massive part of the appeal of fanchuan performance.
this is echoed by david hwang’s m. butterfly, in which gallimard memorably says, “i’m a man who loved a woman created by a man. everything else—simply falls short.” btw sorry for having the type of brain disease where i constantly reference chinese crossdressing related media. you already know why i have it.
anyway. parallel to that (but far less morally detestably), jin jiang argues “young male impersonators in yue opera embody women’s ideal men—elegant, graceful, capable, caring, gentle, and loyal.” so, trivially, 1) the eroticism embodied by fanchuan performers is distinctly different from their “straight” counterparts, and perhaps less trivially 2) it’s way better.
back to the love eterne for a bit. one of the many reasons it’s lodged itself into my psyche is because there’s something more interesting at play than just all that. normally in opera, to compensate for any perceived residual femininity in the sheng, the dan camps it up even further. so this is how zhu yingtai first appears, this bratty femme pastiche of womanhood. yet within a couple minutes she’s dressed as a man, which she’ll stay as for the bulk of the movie. they do however make compromises with the makeup--more gently lifted eyebrows than the steep angles of the sheng opera beat, and an improbably masculine smoky eye.
that’s right. they performed girlbossification on her.
i don’t want to suggest that she’s straightforwardly feminine. i could write an entire other thing on her relationship to masculinity. instead i want to highlight the erotic interplay not just between the “girl” and the “boss” but also between her and her counterpart: the male wife.
liang shanbo is ostensibly straightforwardly male, but his relationship with zhu yingtai isn’t gay in the ahaha what if i was into my bro way-- it’s a what if i was into my bro and i was his wife way.
that’s right. they performed force fem on a cis woman-man. like when zhu yingtai tells him he can’t watch over her as she recovers from an illness because “boys and girls can’t sleep together,” liang shanbo asks “are you implying that I’m a girl?”
there’s a lot of shit like this that builds up over the course of the movie. it all culminates in that final 18 mile journey. along the way, zhu yingtai compares them to a pair of mandarin ducks, one male & one female. liang shanbo sputters “i am a man inside out-- you shouldn’t--” before graciously conceding, “you may compare me to a woman.”
this is like. a simple punchline. but it’s incredible. it’s true! liang shanbo isn’t a man inside out in that he’s a man and only a man, but rather that he’s a man seen inside first, built for desiring, by a woman & for a woman. as a perpetual object, he becomes a more believable woman than zhu yingtai. and at least in his view, it seems more likely that he could be a woman than her. but beyond that, his permissive tone reads as a kind of wanting in itself--recast, if she wants, “for you, i’ll be a woman.”
obviously this is a classic lesbian mood. who among us has not seen “no gender only lesbian” posts. and speaking of classic lesbians, you might ask. did you just tiresomely reinvent butches and femmes but with a more annoying name? yes. no. okay. well.
first, like butch/femme dynamics have both historical specificity and a classed character such that it’s not rlly that appropriate to impose them on the love eterne. and i guess more importantly, i wanna talk about stuff that isn’t real.
we fight all day about people who confuse performance with performativity, (i use we lightly here. for instance, i go outside every day so i don’t care about discourse) but what if we actually wanted to talk about the former for once? something specifically, whether we choose or are forced into it, that we pretend to be?
anyway. what the hell does all that have to do with jing wei qing shang. i’m going to start by first making the argument that there’s no such thing as a naturally occurring girlboss. i think, honestly, she’s a product of capitalism (“boss” should be the tipoff here) but because both of these stories are set in ambiguously historical china, i’m going to say, instead that she’s a product of uhhh primitive accumulation.
semantics so that i can be canon compliant with marxism aside, if girlbosses are made not born, can you choose to be a girlboss? sheryl sandberg says yes. i don’t disagree, i guess, but i will say: stop glamorizing it! humans only become girlbosses when they’re greatly distressed.
you become a girlboss when you have no other choice not to be one. when your wants are too great to be a woman, when the things you want are not things that women should want-- whether that’s something that really no one should want, like being a ceo, or whether that’s just something like loving a woman (or, as it is quite often, both) -- you have to become something else.
another important part of being a girlboss is that other people are not. your excesses mean that not only do you lose something in the process, but your bosshood comes at the expense of others. the girlboss necessitates a girlworker, or so to speak.
now we’re getting to jwqs. i’m assuming that you haven’t read jwqs, because most people haven’t. that was me until like four days ago. in broad strokes, the novel is about a woman, qiyan agula, who was raised as a prince, and her quest for revenge against the kingdom who slaughtered her people. of course, this involves marrying one of the princesses of that kingdom. it’s all very exciting (lesbian).
what’s striking about jwqs is that both of them seem to fit the girlboss paradigm, in vaguely similar ways. qi yan (agula’s assumed name) seems to follow the lineage of zhu yingtai, who pretends to be a man to achieve her goals. she’s forced to give up much in the process, and also sacrifices a, uh, lot of innocent people. similarly, nangong jingnu, the princess, is inherently a girlboss because royalty sucks. but also, qi yan girlbossifies her over the course of their relationship.
but i wouldn’t say jwqs is girlboss4girlboss. there’s something a little more complicated happening. qi yan isn’t zhu yingtai in that she’s a dan pretending to be a sheng. it seems more like that she was a sheng all along. it’s something that the women of the novel return to often: qi yan seems to be better than a man.
for instance, nangong sunu, jingnu’s older sister, reflects on this.
Nangong Sunu had seen many foolishly loving women who sacrificed everything for the sake of their husbands, but there were rarely any men who would do the same for them.
(...)
Thinking it through, Nangong Sunu felt that Qi Yan was truly becoming more interesting. She intended to observe discreetly for a while, to verify if such a man truly existed in this world. (ch 221)
and i forgot to write down the citation for this, but nangong jingnu also seems to argue that not only is qi yan prettier than a man, but she also seems to be prettier than a woman. (it’s the bit where she’s watching qi yan sleep. help me out here.)
moreover, the way qi yan relates to nangong jingnu is suggestive. jingnu brings out the elements of wanting to be a woman in her. it’s jingnu’s body that makes her wonder what she would look like if she was more feminine. it’s jingnu’s happiness that she resents, wishing that her people could have that as well. it’s her desire for jingnu that makes her a woman.
(another important distinction i suppose--while one person can’t be both a butch and a femme, because the girlboss and the male wife are things we pretend to be until we embody them / them us -- there’s greater slippage between the two.)
anyway, the girlboss/male wife dynamic is reversed wrt who’s actually dressing as a different gender. that suggests an inversion in the implications we see from the love eterne, if we are to take the love eterne as the paradigmatic girlboss text. which i do, for no reason in particular.
so then, is qi yan pretending to be a man? under the opera framework, we’re forced to say no. she’s not pretending to be a man any more so than liang shanbo (as acted by ivy ling po) was. but that, of course, feels incorrect, just looking at the text. is she, then, pretending to be a sheng? i’d strongly say no. the things that others see in her, they authentically see; and she does authentically feel the same things as liang shanbo wrt femininity.
so it has to be the opera framework that jwqs is subverting then. if qi yan kept some trace of her once-womanhood, if qi yan reveals her true self, and yet she still can compete for the audience’s affection-- jwqs’s inversion of the opera framework seems to argue instead that it’s that true self that allows you to compete. it’s being masc that lets you be a desirable woman; it’s being feminine that lets you be a desirable man.
there’s an increased gender ambivalence to jwqs, which make sense, i guess, seeing as it’s not meant to be a het story the way that the love eterne was. for instance, nangong jingnu crossdresses to go out in public, and qi yan remarks that jingnu’s disguise fooled her on their first meeting. when qi yan and jingnu go out in public, both disguised as men, they’re repeatedly perceived as a gay male couple. there’s freedom in that: they could be gay women only privately, they could be straight officially, but they could be anonymously gay publicly.
so it’s through the gay male pretense that they can be gay women; it’s through the qi yan pretense that agula can love women; it’s the qi yan caring husband persona that coaxes jingnu in caring for qi yan in return-- jwqs, more precisely, argues that you can’t be a woman if you’re going to love them, and even less so if you’re going to be loved by one.
this is perhaps well-trodden ground for anyone who has read wittig & certainly many people who haven’t. but it’s the layer of pretense that for me complicates these two narratives.
i think it’s a relatable feeling: wanting something anticipating getting something, or wanting something for yourself anticipating knowing that you already had it. that is, desire in itself being constitutive of that reality.
or less abstractly, knowing that you’d want to be a lesbian if you could, knowing that you’d want not to be a woman if you could-- anticipating any realization of either.
the dramatic excesses & wants of the girlboss, i think, are a decent literary stand in for being a lesbian.
i wanna note here that this is rlly just based on my experience being a transmisogyny exempt nonbinary diaspora lesbian lol. it’s fun & cathartic to overread this history & place myself in the accidental implications.
i don’t think most of the things i say are literally true. and i don’t want to overstep & say any of this can be generalized. please lmk if something here doesn’t read right! ok kisses bye
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Harry Styles does not queer bait
If you hate long posts and don’t want to read click this for the shortest and only version you'll ever need.
https://i-d.vice.com/en_uk/article/wx57ex/harry-styles-queerbaiting
I'm glad I've been on the right side of things the entire time. I never accused Harry Styles of queer baiting ever, and I often defend him in the same way I would any individual. I partially disagree with the article because they say only fantasy/art can queer bait. Maybe I misunderstood them, but I don't see it that way alone. Do you know who queer baits? Large corporations that go all out for pride month & films that have obnoxiously stereotyped queer characters. We need to retire the idea of individuals queer baiting unless they have 100% said they are hetero. If you don't know for sure, then you can't claim queer baiting because then you're assuming that someone has to come forth as straight in some way and that straight/cis is the default. Queer people are under no obligation to announce themselves.
More: In Harry's last Guardian interview, he repeats his sentiment that his personal identity is not something he is currently putting up for discussion in the press. He questions the press' desire to know about pop stars' sexuality:
Interviewer: You mean, why ask the question?
Harry: Yeah, I think I do mean that. It's not like I'm sitting on an answer, and protecting it, and holding it back. It's not a case of: I'm not telling you cos I don't want to tell you. It's not: ooh this is mine and it's not yours.
I do not speak for everyone in the LGBTQ+ community: The above extract from the guardian interview is why I'm not pressuring myself to label my sexuality for now/maybe forever or decide to come out as unlabeled. Whether with any intention or not, Harry has softened barriers for some things to feel less taboo/daunting. Most of us do not want to subject ourselves to different treatment, especially if it's negative. Not all of us have the privilege to do so either.
I agree, it is not justifiable, and he's right to question them. Being open to everyone isn't easy. Now imagine yourself no less human than right now, but add millions of eyes on you. It's insensitive to assume about someone when they could be doing their best/what is comfortable—please let's stop invalidating what we don't understand.
Even More: When you are straight/cis, you have it simple. You don’t have any pressure or fear and nor do you have to conform or ask yourself if you need to come out. If you do want to share for any reason, you just say you're straight/cis because there is no backlash and everyone moves on. Harry has never said such a thing. Straight people flaunt their sexuality everywhere every day and then said straight people dare to question and complain about queer people's self-expression. Queer people do not demand or feel entitled to personal information about straight/cis people. Note: Heteronormativity is not the default; it's just the conditioned and performative norm. Harry has always indicated queerness and exploration of that. Gender is fluid, and so is sexuality, but many people are not ready for that either. To explore is 100% valid, and anyone who says no to that is trying to control something very personal. After all these years of being a fan, if you are still confused, maybe you weren't paying attention to H, or perhaps we are meant to be confused, or perhaps we all see what we want to see, and maybe I am wrong. Whatever it is, it doesn't matter because it's no one's business. Remember that last line. I'll come back to it.
I would never want to be one of the people who pressure someone to conform or share their personal journey in the way I see fit. I would never be angry until someone made things official as if things need to be official for something and someone to be valid. Note again: They don't. To go from annoyance and harsh judgment to suddenly sweet praises such as, 'I'm so proud of so and so' that makes my heart sink and my stomach turn.
Further: On the whole, people should not have to feel pressure to share their sexuality/gender or whole life story (btw not to say we don't care, we are more than open to listening and care about it) for "fans" to have empathy for them in the first place. Then here they are sharing some things and getting invalidated by people again. Sigh, not everyone is meant to like or understand you and that’s okay, but there is no need to be disrespectful. I digress. Recap: Sexuality and gender is a personal thing no one else can have power over. For those that expect a definitive statement from queer people, here's a news flash, sometimes people change their minds before and after sharing such personal things. If someone's sexuality, gender identity, or choice to be open and transparent about it is vital to your judgment of them and whether you will stick around, I'm sorry, but that is conditional, and therefore you prefer the idea of someone. Further, people are allowed to not share until they are ready or never share at all. Anyone who doesnt relinquish the fantasy that they have a say or don’t show grace and instead act entitled for others in this simple sense worries me more than a little bit.
Final thoughts: What Harry does do is remain vague and leave things up for interpretation. Not only does that keep prejudice or conservative/religious fans from removing their loyalty cards, his image remaining malleable. Allowing Harry to make changes as he sees fit and feels like doing without adding pressure or explaining himself to anyone who doesn't have access to his privacy. That is valid. If that is queer baiting to you, you are missing the point entirely, and you don't know the definition of queer baiting. However, it’s understandable and valid if people get confused and/or feel some ways. I resonate with this entirely.
Now, what kind of person would want to be vague for the sake of prejudiced friends? In my mind, vagueness won't make real friends. However, fans ≠ friends, that is the catch. To make it far in this business as someone big and serious, sometimes you have to appeal to a broader demographic, so vagueness is advised as necessary. Hypothetically, if you were in that position as an artist, you could go the Zayn route by telling people off (mad respect) or going the standard way by being inclined to vagueness, which sometimes turns into a slow transition to transparency as the artist feels more carefree/gains more respect over the years. (understandable)
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Bisexuality didn't "feel right" as a label because you're biphobic and will do anything to distance yourself from bisexuality. Get well soon, the bi community will be here when you're ready.
Are you the raging homophobe anon back for round two or a new guy? ...It doesn’t really matter, you people are all the same.
If you are the same anon, then now I’m extra pissed off at you because do you have any idea how difficult it is to make fun of your messages? You’re making this really hard for me. First you send a five word ask declaring me a homophobe with no details, and it took a lot of thinking to come up with a vaguely funny response to such a lackluster prompt. You’re a really bad improv partner.
And now you send me this shit. Sorry everybody, no jokes today, now I’m actually just fucking furious.
Let me tell you a story, anon. When I was an innocent little twelve year old back in the far of reaches of 2011, I first discovered Tumblr, and soon enough I was learning about different genders and sexualities, and began exploring my own identity. As you already know since you’re sarcastically quoting me talking about my own fucking feelings, I’d been having a minor sexuality crisis for several years at that point, since gay, straight and bisexual were the only label I’d known before then, and none of them fit me. Despite me trying all of them. Multiple times. You condescending piece of shit.All this was resolved by me stumbling across a post defining pansexuality, and that being the first and only sexual identity that’s ever actually felt right for me. It clicked instantly, and has continued to be my sexuality for literally a decade now.
But back when I first started entering the queer community, pansexuality was actually pretty controversial. So was bisexuality. The two were just lumped together actually, because according to the exclusionists back then, bi/pan people are attracted to the opposite sex, and therefor are basically just straight. Actually they rarely cared enough to bother differentiating between bisexual and pansexual people, they just lumped us all in together as a bunch of heteros pretending to be gay for attention and oppressing the real gays. What a bunch of special fucking snowflakes, pretending to be gay for attention. So there I was, a twelve year old queer kid with a brand new identity, being welcomed by a bunch of exclusionists angrily yelling about how I was definitely just a hetero faking it for attention, and being pansexual was Wrong and Bad. But it was okay, because the exclusionists knew better than me. They knew how I really felt, and what my real identity was. They could fix me. I just had to agree with everything they said and become the person they decided I was supposed to be.
I didn’t do that.
Let’s jump forward a few years. I was older, and still perfectly confident in my identity as a pansexual. I hadn’t considered any other parts of my identity. Why would I? I just never really thought much about gender. Then shortly after my fourteenth birthday, I watched a short film online about a trans boy figuring out his identity and working up the courage to come out to his mother. I don’t remember what it was called or most of the details. All I remember was the last scene where the boy and his mother got into an argument about him not feminine enough, which ended with him screaming that he wasn’t a girl. And then I unexpectedly burst into tears because neither was I.
So that was a fun surprise. Once I pulled through that unexpected sobbing breakdown in the middle of the night and re-evaluated my entire life, I realized that yeah. I really wasn’t a girl. I wasn’t a boy either. Fortunately by then I knew that nonbinary people were a thing, so I had plenty of options. I spent awhile feeling things out and experimenting with different labels and pronouns before finally settling on agender and they/them pronouns. Which was great! I felt better than ever, and was confident that I had my identity down and everything would be fine. But everything was not fine. Because I’d been so happy about the biphobia dying down that I hadn’t quite noticed the exclusionists switching targets. Now the nonbinary people were lying. What a bunch of special fucking snowflakes, pretending to be queer for attention. The ones who wanted to medically transition were declared to actually be poor confused trans people who couldn’t get over their internalized transphobia to accept their True Identities. And the rest of us... well, we were just a bunch of cishet special snowflakes playing at being trans for attention, and oppressing the real trans people. I wasn’t agender. I was a cis girl making up fake identities for attention, and calling myself nonbinary was Wrong and Bad. But it was okay, because the exclusionists knew better than me. They knew how I really felt, and what my real identity was. They could fix me. I just had to agree with everything they said and become the person they decided I was supposed to be.
I didn’t do that.
Step forward a few more years, now to eighteen year old me. There’s no dramatic revelations or long struggles this time, just a slow realization. Because I’d been single for years, and I wasn’t bothered by that. I actually enjoyed it. Marriage didn’t sound very appealing. Neither did dating. I’d dated people before, but I wasn’t sure if I actually wanted to; it was just... the thing I was supposed to do. I found people attractive, sure. But I hadn’t wanted to flirt with anyone. Actually, now that I was thinking about it, had I ever felt romantically attracted to anyone? I didn’t even want romance in fiction! So I experimented. Went on some dates just in case age made it more appealing (it didn’t). Began calling myself aromantic, and was pleasantly surprised to find that the longer I used it, the better it felt. It was right.
But once again, the exclusionists were back and even angier than ever. Because now aphobia was in full swing. After all, asexuality wasn’t really queer. It’s just not having sex! It’s basically straight! What a bunch of special fucking snowflakes, pretending to be queer for attention. And the aromantics, oh the aromantics who weren’t asexual were even worse. Because everyone knows that love is what makes us human. How could someone not feel romance? Us aro people weren’t just lying about our identities, we were pretending to not have feelings so that we could get away with using people for sex without commitment. Being aro meant I was an abusive sex crazed monster taking advantage of all the poor innocent allo’s. I wasn’t aromantic. I was a sexual predator making up a fake identity to take advantage of people, and even though I wasn’t actually sleeping around calling myself aro was Bad and Wrong. But it was okay, because the exclusionists knew better than me. They knew how I really felt, and what my real identity was. They could fix me. I just had to agree with everything they said and become the person they decided I was supposed to be.
And I didn’t fucking do that.
Look. I’ve been here for a very long time, and I have dealt with so many versions of exclusionist bullshit. Every aspect of my identity has been met with random fucking strangers online smugly informing me that I was wrong about myself and they were right. And that’s just the ones that wanted me to pretend to be something else; about half of the exclusionists didn’t make any attempts at conversion therapy, and instead skipped straight to suicide baiting. I’m not even getting into the actual homophobes I’ve had to deal with, or the TERF’s that have come after me under the assumption that I’m a trans woman. My point is, I’m pretty fucking used to this sort of thing.
This just hurts a little more, because like I said earlier, the first round of exclusionism I faced was just expanded biphobia. And the bi/pan community banded together in the face of that. We weren’t the exact same identities, but we were being treated the same, and we were similar enough that nobody really minded the difference. It was wonderful. Bi and pan people were a tightly knit group, and that was a sense of community I desperately needed when I was young. I’ve been seeing this coming for awhile. There’s been increasing amounts of bi people getting drawn in by exclusionist bullshit, and I’ve seen anti-pansexual sentiment growing. I just... really hoped it wouldn’t get this far. It’s sad, y’know? It feels like losing an old friend. I’m really disappointed that you think trying to force people out of their community is right. It’s fucking pathetic, and I hope that someday you’ll rediscover basic compassion and realize how much damage you’re doing to yourself and others. This sort of thing doesn’t help the bisexual community. It drives people away. It’s like the damage that TERF’s have done to the lesbian community; this sort of thing poisons the whole well. I hope you re-evaluate what you’re doing and find a more healthy mindset.
...But also at the same time: Who the fuck do you think you are? Take your condescending bullshit and shove it directly up your ass you fucking waste of oxygen. How the fuck dare you. Do you realize the fucking audacity it takes to claim to know someone's identity better than they do? You self centered egotistical douchebag. Your parents should feel ashamed for having raised such an utter failure of a human being. I’d tell you to go fuck yourself, but I can already tell you beat off twice a day to how fucking clever you think you are. If you ever darken my inbox again you’d better be damn sure you keep it anonymous, because if I find you I’ll kick your fucking teeth in, you smug piece of shit.
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This is a gift for @striderhell from the Homestuck Secret Santa 2020 (@homestuckss). I was aiming for 3000 words but uh, Dirk as a muse didn’t want to continue exploring the concept of gender given his rigid but philosophical nature.
I hope this was good, and if not just gimme a shout and I’ll try and come up with something better.
Word Count: 1521 Fandom: Homestuck Characters: Dirk Strider, Roxy Lalonde Relationships: Dirk Strider & Roxy Lalonde (Platonic/Friends)
Additional Notes: Roxy uses He/Him and They/Them, I’ve never finished the epilogues but I love NB Rox. Dirk uses no pronouns in this, as I wanted to try that out.
Please enjoy Dirk exploring his gender.
Sometimes in an effort to define ourselves, we feel trapped to conform to some rigid aspect or label in hopes to reach an understanding of who we are. At times this process can be frustrating and dissatisfying. Other people take weeks or days, and some of them take years or never figure it out.
Perhaps gender, as a construct, can’t be fully understood, but we can understand ourselves as people without it. The tale before you, is only a short of someone who wishes to take a journey many end up doing, and most have never encountered.
Dirk was sitting in a cafe on Earth-C, sipping on a coffee in between tinkering with another pair of shades. The goal was updating and adding a better set of graphics, hoping to add some additional features to make things easier.
It had been a while since the Prince of Heart had seen the rest of the gods. Jake would visit once in a while, and they would have a friendly spar or talk. Roxy would message once in a while, letting Dirk know any spicy news about the rest.
Dave would randomly show up, they would stare each other down before both Striders would give a thumbs up and go their separate ways.
Rose would often come by, trading witty banter and wisdom. Both of them struggled with the massive impact of their god tiers and would often talk about it to one another.
Today though, Dirk decided a change of area would suit this project best, specifically needing to leave the workshop and enjoy some caffeine. Recently a problem developed that would continue to nag at the Prince even through the night. Lack of sleep was the reason why Dirk had picked a coffee shop. It made the most sense.
Gender did not.
Dirk had been going through a lot lately, and when Roxy had come out as trans, it had been taken pretty well by most of them. Not that it would be different if Dirk came out either, but rather that would take knowing what was going on.
This was a laughable moment, since they all had beaten the game, made it out and enjoyed their own little home in the midst of nothing. Creating entire worlds and civilizations with the help of their space and time players, but Dirk was sitting there, in a cafe, trying to figure out what gender even was and how it related to the god’s own identity.
Pronouns were hard, but so was even figuring this shit out. Making a copy of your brain at thirteen was much easier than figuring out if you’re cis or not, and Dirk didn’t know.
The more it was thought about, the more the thought cropped up, what if it turned out the being Cis wasn’t the result. Dirk was absolutely sure about not being a chick, nothing really appealed about that, but then again there was a very similar feeling over the current gender.
Man, agender or woman. Those were the categories that presented themselves currently. Working harder to connect the shades to the newly built chip, Dirk jolted when suddenly Roxy sat down across the table.
“I called out to you, but you didn’t answer.” He said leaning over and looking over the project. “I was wondering what made you change location, you’re pretty adamant to work in your workshop Dirkie.”
“I needed to think, which I was doing when you were calling out to me. Thinking so hard about creating a new line of orange pop with more caffeine than this cup of coffee that the world died out and I was left to only the one set of thoughts for once.”
He raised an eyebrow at that, and crossed his arms. “Really now? You think that I can’t tell something bigger is going on in that Strider head of yours? You’ve come up with projects while having a philosophical discussion with Rose and texting Dave a rap battle. You’re the king of multi-tasking, which also means your attention is usually divided more, and you’re attempting to put a wire on the wrong side of that.”
Dirk frowned and sighed, putting the project down. “Well, I can’t get nothing past you I suppose. I guess one thing that’s on my mind is how much I miss AR, since he was a good source of introspection, then again I have no idea if that would have helped in the first place.” Tapping fingers filled the space between them as the Prince looked outside at the billions of humans and trolls walking over the streets.
“I’ve been contemplating what gender is and how I relate to it since you came out as nonbinary. It’s been making me think about what is my gender, and I’ve come to the conclusion none of them really fit, but that’s also something to worry about since that means I don’t relate to any of the options-“
“Before you go on a long tangent, I want to ask, what are the options?” He interrupted Dirk while cocking his head.
“Agender, man and woman.” Dirk said bluntly, staring at Roxy. The laughter that resulted made the god tip the iconic shades down to stare at Roxy with deadpan orange eyes.
“I get greeted by your eye colour, score! But no, you got it all wrong, gender isn’t rigid categories, it’s a spectrum. You can’t define it by strict labels and there’s too many to count. So you don’t fit in three, there’s millions of genders. Some might not have a word for it right now. I’m nonbinary, but that’s because I’m not a man or a woman completely, I’m somewhere in the middle, closer to a man if I were to describe it as like, a sliding scale. So don’t be in a hurry, and don’t worry if you don’t figure it out.”
“I need to. Not knowing makes things difficult. I know it might be unhealthy to obsess over, but ever since I made Auto Responder, I had the need to understand myself fully and everything about myself.” With an elbow on the table, Dirk took a hand and raked it through the mess of hair. Having done so more than a hundred times earlier, the Prince was sure it was a complete and utter mess at this point, and would need to be taken care of at home.
“Well, I have a list of some of the other more known ones, maybe one of them check out for you?” He offered a tablet.
Dirk took it, and looked over the list of options and each description of it, mumbling under breath before placing the tablet back down with a definite, “I’m going to use Genderless for now and see what happens.” It looked interesting, the excerpt specifically outlined not having a gender at all due to neurodivergence, rather than lacking a gender or having no gender, different from agender. It didn’t feel much different from everything else, but nothing did. Having several of the entries be defined by one’s neurodivergence was weird, but the more thought placed into the concept, the more it felt real to Dirk. Rather it meant that the Prince would have to take Rose up on her offer to get a fully evaluation soon, even if both of them came to the conclusion Dirk was probably neurodivergent and that it wasn’t impactful with how the god had lived life before the game.
“Are there any pronouns I should use for you?”
Pursing lips, Dirk gave a shake of the head. “None preferably. I think I need more time to actually think everything over. I have no positive or negative feelings for anything on there, and so I’m debating on if I’m everything or not. I can figure out how to make an exact replica of my own brain as a teenager, create robots, plot out the exact way I can kiss Jake and even save everyone's lives getting into the game. I’ve designed complex interactions to lead to the outcome I desire, and I can’t even pick a gender. This is quite frankly, ridiculous.”
“You don’t gotta. Dirk, it’s not about just picking a gender, it’s about figuring out a big part of yourself, and something most people don’t do for yours. You figured out you’re gay, now you’re figuring out what else you could be.” He placed a hand on Dirk’s and gave him a smile. “Whatever your result, I’m here for you. Even if you later think you’re a Cis man I’ll still be here for you. We might be siblings but we were friends first and that matters the most to me.”
Dirk gave a snort. “This is so fucking corny, but thanks Rox. I appreciate the love and support. Maybe I can treat you to another coffee since I feel like if I don’t buy one soon I’m going to be kicked out for making a mess of a window table.” Motioning towards the table, and standing up, the god stretched out. “What are you in the mood for?”
“Caramel Macchiato please.”
“Gotcha.”
#homestuck secret santa 2020#striderhell#I fucking was gonna make this christmas eve but I got busy the past two days#Glad I waited because this Idea was much better#trans nonbinary characters#dirk is amab
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I'm glad we are talking more about "gay genders" and the way that being LG can often produce genderweird experiences, which aren't exactly transgender but are also not uncomplicatedly cis. It's always been true, but I'm happy that there's more discussion and visibility.
But team, the next step is absolutely to consider bisexual people. We are comfortable seeing cis[ish] gay men and women embrace these complicated gender places, it kinda figures, it makes sense, it feels organic. But why shouldn't this be equally true of bisexual people? (It's because on some level, we are seen as essentially straight, as straight people who sometimes have same-sex relationships)
there's no real reason why, if we accept that gay people often develop ideosyncratic genders, that bi people wouldn't too. Possibly, the gaygenders of bisexual people would be even more peculiar, because they are passing through straight and gay spaces, through same and opposite sex relationships, it's super messy.
I've thought before that perhaps we might understand the development of genderqueer, non-binary, agender identities as a bisexual thing. This isn't to erase people with those identities who are monosexual; but I guess I would like to survey how many "straight in every possible way except my gender" people are in these communities, because I suspect it's...very few. On the other hand, I think both bisexuality and asexuality would absolutely predict people who grow up watching gender on the television, and thinking "I'm not really any of these genders". Or, in reverse, I think being non-binary or genderqueer would predict people who can't exactly say whether they are gay or straight, and who would grow up watching gender on television thinking "I have no idea how I fit into any of these relationship structures".
And some partial evidence for this is looking at bisexual community heroes - Bowie, Prince, Janelle Monae, Lady Gaga, Annie Lennox - and observing that not only are they all subverting gender, they're doing it in similar ways, they're part of a recognisable bi genderweird tradition. This includes being kinda circumspect about whether or not they are gay while giving off gay vibes; artificiality and theatricality, but not quite in a camp way; and gender non-conformity. You've got Bowie and Gaga presenting their bodies as alien/other; you've got Lennox and Monae in suits, but in a very sharp and dapper way - not your traditional comfy/earthy butch, it's far more theatrical; you've got Prince's abundance of gender cues, combining feminine dress and styling with almost parodically heterosexual lyrics.
Gaga draws from drag culture, and I think you could also understand Monae as a drag queen (but both of these are gay male artforms). Gaga makes explicit reference in Telephone to the rumours that she is is a man (that people are making assumptions about her gendered body; but this is transmisogynist). Gaga is out as bisexual; she's a cis woman (as far as we know), but her stage persona is being understood as similar to a trans woman, or similar to a gay man. We aren't able to find words for where we place her gender and sexuality, because we aren't recognising that this mess of gender cues...could be a bisexual gender thing. Monae is non-binary, and has written het songs and sapphic songs and a stomping bi anthem. But, for the longest period of time, wasn't putting a label on any of this, aside from that one song about how "I want to be a queer/queen". Queen, of course, being another male-pattern-gay community term. Being a "no labels bisexual" isn't necessarily internalised biphobia or a superiority complex; it can reflect a genuine feeling of vagueness and uncertainty about where to plant your flag. A vagueness which is perhaps inextricable from an equally vague sense of how to fit into a binary gender. Meanwhile, Lennox is heavily involved in AIDS activism. She's clearly identified gay and bisexual men as "her tribe".
Lennox and Prince - who, as far as we know, are straight - but they seem pretty gay - and isn't that the bi experience in a nutshell, isn't that part of their appeal for specifically bisexual audiences? All five performers are characterised by...being simultaneously very out and very closeted. Again, I think that's relatable: a profound desire to be visible, but also a lack of certainty/confidence/ability to define what kind of queer you are. Bisexuality is inherently mute: you are assumed to be what you appear to be. Should we be surprised, then, if bisexual genders seem to take the pattern of "I don't know what I am or where I fit - and neither will you"
So I don't know whether I have the evidence to argue this, but I do think there's an...afab bisexual gender which is blending cues which say "I am a gay woman" and "I am a gay man", or rather, "I am a queer person, and queerness is indivisible from who I am, and so I see myself in queer people who date women and in queer people who date men". And that we should not be at all surprised or disdainful or judgemental or gatekeeping to see bisexual and genderqueer people L existing in this "I'm simultaneously L, G, B and T" place. That's the reality of having a gender/sexuality that never really fits anywhere, which can never really be visible or articulated as it's own thing. One knows one is queer, one reaches for whatever representation and visibility one can get, and it's a magpie gender.
(I don't have any evidence of the opposite dynamic, of bi men being very into lesbian culture or identification or modes of behavior. Perhaps this is a counter argument. But you often can't map the experiences of queer men and queer women neatly together (gay ones, transgender ones...), so maybe this is another example of that. But I would not be surprised at all to find out that femme bi men were into butches, for example.)
CONCLUSION: it is intuitively correct to me that bisexual people would experience genderweird as part of their bisexuality, just as many gay people do. I have some theories about what these genders might look like, but I want to emphasise that I don't think they are objectively correct (there are non-bisexual people in the gender spaces in describe; and I would not dream of beginning to try and gatekeep them as bisexual-exclusive). At the same time, I think it would be politically valuable and personally helpful to bisexual people to develop a sense that bisexual genders exist; that they can be a source of pride rather than embarrassment; that our genders aren't just a mimicry of gaygenders or straight ones but can have characteristically bi elements and be part of a bi tradition; to have confidence and joy in the ways our genders don't fit neatly into straight or gay frameworks, and that we might have additional needs in relationships to affirm our gender place; that being bisexual might bring on actual dysphoria, that being bisexual might bring on things which makes neither cis nor trans frameworks a fit for you...and all that jazz. Bi people may very well develop genderweird that is similar or indistinguishable from gay genderweird; but also produce unique genderweirds of our own.
TL;RDR: being bisexual can produce genderweird, just as being gay does. We should assert this more confidently. It might produce uniquely bisexual genders. We should explore and document these possibilities. We shouldn't do this with a goal to be an asshole to others, because gatekeeping things helps nobody.
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My personal struggle with GD
**Trigger Warning -- talk of genitals, sex, transphobia, and misogyny** This is a vent post about my feelings surrounding my gender dysphoria, how I figured out I almost definitely have it, and why my family would probably think I'm faking because of tucutes making trans people look like clowns. It is unorganized, entirely too long, might not make sense, and I'm positive I'm forgetting big details. I just need to get this off my chest though.
All throughout my life I've hated my body, and even though I could try to blame it on other problems, I had some pretty clear signs of gender dysphoria even before my life got fucked up. It all seemed normal to me though. I could rationalize it. I'm too masculine to fit in with girls; autistic females have a tendency to function on the same social level as neurotypical men. That makes sense. I hate my body; I definitely don't look like the girls I would like to date. That makes sense. I feel like cutting off my female chest and sometimes guiltily wish for a horrible disease that requires its removal; I'm a CSA survivor and was bullied in elementary school for my early development. That makes sense.
In middle school something started to happen that I couldn't explain though. I developed a "phantom penis". It actually felt like I had a fully functioning dick. I asked a guy friend what a boner felt like and he described what I felt perfectly. I never told anyone what I felt though. I just made a joke out of it. Whenever I felt a "hard on" I'd whisper to my friends "Suck my dick" or "My dick is hurting". We constantly made dick jokes so nothing seemed off about it. I liked the feeling of it. It upset me that it wasn't real. The feeling came around less often in high school and I wrote it off as nothing.
The inkling of negative sexual habits was already in place in 4th grade, but I fell into truly self destructive sexual habits in high school. I felt unsatisfied with life and everything regarding my existence. Every day was a chore I could barely manage. I wanted something to fill up how empty my life felt. I started using my tits to get free food in 4th grade. I would tell a couple of guys that I'd show them my tits on the last day of school if they would give me what ever food I wanted from them for the rest of the year. This took place up until 7th grade where they stopped believing me because I never held up my end of the promise. It didn't matter too much though because at this point they were already used to giving me food.
As 8th grade ended I noticed how unnaturally masculine I felt, even more so than before, like it didn't really fit my body. It was getting harder to blame it on my autism. That scared me so I went seeking some sort of validation that I was a woman. I found my first boyfriend. I've never really been one for romance, so our relationship quickly turned into something sexual. The entire thing made me uncomfortable. I hated the whole ordeal. I didn't really find him all that attractive, but I pretended to fairly convincingly. Neither of us wanted to be purely sexual, but it was the only thing I knew how to do so I kept being this sexual creature I hardly liked and barely knew. He broke up with me because we never really talked anymore and when we were together I always ended up sucking his dick. It was fine. I never stayed true to our relationship. I was sending nudes to people on the internet. They made me feel like I was a pretty girl, the kind I fantasized about. I could escape my real self and be someone else on the internet. It always felt like I was catfishing them. I never felt as feminine as I portrayed myself online.
My 10th grade year of high school I dated one of my ex boyfriend's best friends. The same thing happened as my last relationship. I'd try to change how unnaturally male I felt by being in the most misogynisticly feminine role I could think of. The first time I had "real" sex it felt good, but something was off about it. And I don't mean in the "the first time always sucks" kind of way. I'm a firm believer in if you are fully comfortable with a person and you both know each other's boundaries and there isn't any judgment between you, then there won't be anything uncomfortable about sex. We had all these things, but I still felt uncomfortable. Then he went down on me. I had another "phantom dick" moment; I could imagine him sucking me off as if I had a penis. That's when the discomfort ended. I couldn't explain that so I told no one and wrote it off as nothing.
I've always heard mentions of trans people in passing throughout my life. In 3rd grade I heard my friend call another boy a "he-she". When I asked him what that was he said it's a guy who dresses and acts like a girl. In middle school I learned there were surgeries to give males female genitals. In 9th grade my science teacher corrected a girl when she said "they have to cut off their balls and turn their dick inside out" in reference to mtf bottom surgery. I saw an article that same year about a man that gave birth and learned that ftm trans people exist. In that same 9th grade science class a girl mentioned the size of my chest when expressing her desire for bigger breasts. I spilled my guts about how much I hated having them. I realized that it wasn't a natural thing when other big chested girls told me it wasn't nearly as bad as I explained. It confused me that they didn't feel the same. At this point I still didn't know what GD was or what it actually meant to be trans.
I started to watch Blaire White. That set me on the path of finding more and more trans YouTubers. I connected to them in ways I didn't really understand. I felt less like an alien while watching their videos. I never connected this to my being trans though. They all had the same story of knowing when they were young. I never questioned my identity when I was young. I always just existed. When I look back at it I think I honestly should have questioned myself. If I weren't autistic I probably would have.
When I was young, about 4 or 5, it was the easiest thing in the world for me to just drop everything about being a girl so I could become James. This was done after hearing my dad say he wished he had a son. I insisted I was James for almost a year. Now that I'm older my nana has told me my dad was worried I might actually be trans and he didn't want me getting bullied when I go to school. He died when I was 5 or 6; this explains something that I'll touch on later.
Even after the James phase ended I prided myself on my masculine tendencies. I was proud to be "basically the son" of the family and "basically the brother" of my sisters. With my step dad we would make jokes about having a "guys night out". I would even try to dress as boyish as possible to get mistaken as a boy. One time I cried when a boy told me "I know you're a girl". When I found out girls could have beards I was extremely jealous and was confused by the fact I couldn't grow one. I've always hated long hair I always wanted it cut short in a boy's haircut. In middle school my friends told me I write like a guy as an insult, but I thought it was a genuine compliment. I've always had an obsession with extreme body modification. The idea that I could escape my body and look however I want was always appealing to me.
When I was young I held the belief that my thoughts and personality were exactly the same as a boy's. That was the reason I preferred to hang with guys. That was why I would feel happy when I was described as one of the guys. It was why I didn't connect with girls the same way as guys. When I was diagnosed with autism, I thought it explained why I felt like an alien among other girls, and why I fit perfectly with guys, and why my thoughts were so male to me. When I learned what GD was, it fit me too, but I thought I couldn't have it cause I didn't recognize it when I was young. Then I started watching the podcast 'You're So Brave' hearing the way they found out they were trans hit closer to home than any other time I heard stories of people discovering they're trans. I was still very iffy on if I had GD or not though. Kovu uploaded a video recently it basically sealed my belief that I have GD. I decided to list off all the ways I wish I could look. The look I created is absurdly masculine; tall, hairy, tatted, and rough. I couldn't be exactly that though. I'm far too short. Besides I'm not as one dimensional as that. I love the elegance of romantic goths and muted pastels are my favorite aesthetic. I love crop tops and even dresses. I'm very effeminate for a man. A lot of people hate on gnc trans guys, but honestly I relate to them hard. I'm still not 100 percent sure of my gender though. The only thing I know for sure is that I need my female chest gone.
Before I even started to question myself, I've heard my step dad's opinion on trans people. "There is no such thing as a third gender! I don't understand why these trans people keep trying to push this idea!" he says in reference to a completely binary trans woman who only wants to be seen as a woman and not a third gender. I defend them by saying the vast majority of trans people are completely binary, don't believe in three genders, and want to be fully recognized as the gender they transition to. He continues to think tucutes are the only kind of trans people there are and generalizes all trans people saying they all have the "76 genders" ideology. He thinks all trans women are instantly recognizable by their adam's apple despite the fact there is a reduction surgery and lots of cis women have prominent adam's apples. I won't even try to bring up non binary people to him. He'd never understand. My mom has backed him up on this multiple times. I can't come out to them. It's too dangerous. My step dad is a violent man that gets into lots of fights. (He's never hit me or my family; don't worry.) He has threatened to kick me out before and I know he and my mom have seriously considered it within the last year. I don't know if me coming out could result in my homelessness.
You may be thinking "You're 18, just move out." To that I say: I absolutely would, if I could. I'm autistic. It's a disability that leaves me unable to drive and makes it difficult to maintain a job. Not to mention no one has prepared me for living alone. I have a friend I could go to, but I don't want to live somewhere and not be able to give back to them in some way.
All I really want is to know for sure whether I have gender dysphoria or not. The only problem with that is all of the gender therapist in my area (deep south Alabama) have practices that sound eerily similar to conversion therapy. Even if I do come out and move in with my friend, I won't be able to get therapy or a diagnosis.
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Okay, so, it’s time for me to rant about Princess Turdina. Obviously, there will be spoilers, so if you haven’t watched it yet, scoot on past.
This episode was… bad. Like, really bad? I’d like to specifically hear from other trans women like myself, but yeah, wow. This was… a bad fuckin’ allegory.
SO. From the very beginning of the episode, Marco is worried about “coming clean”, and how they “can’t keep lying”. From the get-go we have this crisis between Marco’s assigned gender and their assumed one, which is COMPLETELY contrasting to previous episodes like St. O’s and Heinous, wherein it was just assumed that it was fine that Marco was being who they were, and presenting how they wanted. Gender had not come up in ANY way until this episode. Being a princess was just… being a princess.
Then you’ve got the line from Princess Arms about “if you weren’t being honest about who you are, then this whole school would be built on a lie!” essentially shaming Marco for having represented themselves in a different way during their first time in St. O’s.
(Obligatory shoutout to the Whispering Gardens for once again saying All Girls Gossip, nice stereotyping, what an amazing progressive show)
The lines from Goat Princess (“You showed us that all princesses don’t have to fit into the same mold”), Ponyhead (“You are SO much more fun as Turdina!”), and Marco themselves (“I’m so beautiful…!”) in the following scene really drives home that this episode IS meant to be a trans allegory, whether or not it’s explicit, but then is QUICKLY followed up with Star’s “Well he should tell the truth, like a decent human being” as if not outing themselves is a fucking capital crime.
After the statue scene, Star and Ponyhead do an emotional tug of war on Marco, in which Star says Marco should “Tell the truth” and Ponyhead insists that Marco is happier and should do as they please. The framing of the argument, in that Ponyhead is always displayed as more emotional and almost always in the wrong for these things, frames the narrative that Marco SHOULD be taking Star’s advice, and that they should “Tell the truth like a decent human being”. Star’s been wrong before, but in this instance, they really frame her decision as the right thing to do.
Marco then, on stage, attempts to out themselves, but before they can, Heinous LITERALLY EXPOSES THEIR BODY ON STAGE, OUTING THEM TO THE SCHOOL. THIS IS INEXCUSABLE, WHY IS THIS FUCKING IN AKID’S SHOW. I get that it was just their chest hair, but I’m fucking so mad at this scene, and it’s ridiculous that not only was this allowed, but also that the crew even THOUGHT to put this in a fucking episode, I’m SO mad. Then the fact that Marco is a boy SHOCKS the audience.
They then attempt - in a bad, hamfisted way - to let Marco know that “He can be a princess if he wants to!” and claiming “Turdina is a state of mind!”. They drive Heinous out, blah blah. Star states that Marco looks like “You can breathe a lot easier now” and Marco jokes that it’s because they’re out of the dress, which is like… I guess it feels like Marco thought the whole thing didn’t really matter? Like, that it wasn’t a big deal? And then it goes back to Heinous and how she’s Eclipsa’s daughter but ANYWAY.
The theme and tone of the show is up and down and up and down and it feels… I mean, I guess it feels like cis people trying to write a Trans Lesson, which it literally is, and it’s never a fucking good idea. It was blunt allegories and trying to take the middle road to appeal to both trans Marco fans and also those who dislike the theory, but it just DOESN’T work. Not in an episode where Marco’s gender is the whole POINT.
It was all just… bad. I wasn’t hoping for this to outright confirm trans Marco OBVIOUSLY, because the crew is too scared to do that, even with other shows like Andi Mack confirming their gays. What I WAS hoping for was some acceptance and some confirming of Marco’s femininity and, I guess, breadcrumbs, leading us toward the eventual canon of Marco being trans. Instead the crew basically said “Hey look another St. O’s episode and also let’s talk about GENDER and how BAD IT IS to LIE TO PEOPLE” and it was just a shitty fucking episode.
Honestly if this is how the SvtFoE crew is going to handle transness, I’d just rather them fucking not. Let us write our fanfiction, and have our art, and just… leave trans Marco out of the show if you’re going to do this shit.
#trans marco#marco diaz#trans girl marco diaz#princess turdina#svtfoe#star vs the forces of evil#svtfoe spoilers#svtfoe season 3#svtfoe season 3 spoilers#svtfoe s3#honestly y'all out here defending this episode better be fucking trans women#i'm not gonna listen to some cis people telling me shit ain't transphobic#like... i'm a white girl i'm not going to say something isn't racist???#come at me if you want to defend this shitty episode
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amused at tankie social media
Yeah it’s no secret that a certain section of social media catering to the ideological echo chambers of tankies and their affiliates has seized LGBT and decided those are going to be their pet minorities whose struggle they’ll take the liberty of defining for them and through it define what they are.
The latest campaign is to decide that “TERFs” are actually “right wing.” And that the right wing is “adopting the language og LGBT in order to divide them up.”
Just. That’s hilarious. This is as stupid as religious conservatives and their “gay agenda.”
TERFs are no more “right wing” than extremist misanthropic left-wing environmentalists are, “eco-fascists.” They’re fucking left wing democrats and progressives and liberals that they just don’t want affiliated with what they define as the correct way to be leftist, so obviously those people aren’t real and must instead be conservatives and fascists.
If you’ve been in the company of the religious nutters for more than half an hour, you’d know there is no campaign nor movement, nor even social cohesion, to try and isolate the trans from LGB. To declare this is unanimously a “right wing” move is to insist that the attitudes of conservative religious types are changing, if only to strategically endorse and accept homosexuals.
It’s fantasy. It’s fiction. What would they get from doing this?
The truth is that the people trying so fucking hard to co-opt the T in LGBT are doing so because of ideology, not any fucks given for the transgendered. If the transgendered people didn’t have any value to their and their nurture based society, their tabula rasa/blank slate theory view of how culture and society works, their transhumanist aspirations of setting legal precedent to remove biology from the criteria of what makes constants in the human species, then they wouldn’t give a fuck about the transgendered people whatsoever.
The value of LGBT for these disingenuous litigious fucks boiled down to A.) being a minority to teach about classes and make their own political group/class/hivemind. B.) Argue that sexuality was voluntary and a choice; it’s not, but they absolutely want fixed things like sexuality to be voluntary and optional. And claiming that monogamy was bad for you, heterosexuality was oppression of women and reproducing is ‘bad for the planet.’ C.) Argue that gender itself is fluid and a choice, and sexuality bows to gender, therefore back-arguing that sexuality is choice again.
These are people absolutely dedicated to the idea that every aspect of being alive ought to be voluntary, and the things that make us human being abstracts and ideological and political, not biological. To them, the LGBT serve as contrasts and instant oppressed minorities to warn about the oppressive natures of the heterosexuals and the cis. And the transgendered serve as a group to feed a fiction about how the big bad European Christian church and cisheteronormative culture oppressed the trans from existing through systemic propaganda, marginalizing them.
Running around blowing the warning whistle as they are about conservatives “trying to break up LGBT” is blaming any internal strife among LGBT purely on outside infiltrators conspiring and viciously plotting to break up the harmony. Or rather, it’s, “the CIA is up to their old tricks again!” Just, not in South America.
They desperately need people to see an external existential ideological threat to get in line and socially coalesce, blame for the disharmony and support this false idol they’ve made that alleges to be for transgendered person rights. When in fact, it doesn’t. The rights they’re fighting for are simply to disentangle pronouns and gender for everybody from biology by default and demand we all bend the knee to the idea gender is something we’re “assigned” from this nebulous, somehow ubiquitous, ���society.” Not even a government, because they believe a society itself somehow has the authority, not even needing institutional power or law.
And they see LGBT people, both cis and trans, coming aware of this and leaving their stalls and seats under this circus tent clown show. Knowing we can have respectable and reasonable transgendered rights WITHOUT trying to redefine how sex and gender is defined in the human animal. In a way that DOESN’T try to schizophrenically divorce biology from how we define our genders and ourselves, socially.
I was a bit incensed seeing that ludicrous article. Hilarious.
TERFs. Right wing? No. TERFs are disgraced feminists. TERFs were the very definition of feminism, right before trans rights asserted itself in the 90s as a serious thing that threatened the dominance in mainstream American feminism. A feminism that was diverse and consolidated, as opposed to the militant black feminism that preferred to sequester itself from mainstream feminism so as not tobe lost in it completely. But the feminism that is now called, “white feminism,” because it isn’t intersectional feminism; that is, the brand of feminism that argues your feminism isn’t real feminism unless it prioritizes the needs and struggles of minority races first and deliberately puts whites last, due to privilege.
The simple act of NOT putting black and indigenous American rights and struggles at the forefront of every discussion about civil rights and freedoms and struggles is enough to get a feminist labeled a “white feminist.” That simple absence of priority in their eyes signifies white supremacism. To not be afrocentrist is to be white supremacist.
TERFs enjoyed a bubble where they got to be the ultimate of ultimate oppressed minority groups, as women comprised 50% of all the human species. Sometimes more than 50%. So, feminism saw fit to declare itself queen of the minorities, as everybody from Jewish women, to black women, to Asian women, to native American women filled the ranks. Therefore, even white feminists felt they had the right to lord over their white male peers and speak on behalf of those oppressed women, on behalf of being a woman. It made them quite mouthy and quite self-assured.
The thing that did TERFs in was that, part of the allure of that variety of radical feminism was it embraced the idea that the male of the species was inherently an oppressor of the female. That no matter what, like day and night, the binary sex meant that woman was inescapably oppressed by men, philosophically as well as ideologically. You couldn’t have man and woman in the human species without man oppressing woman. Historically or presently. And given their Critical Theory, derived from Marx and similar hooey, anything that did not favor or empower “the oppressed” was therefore oppressing it. TERFs saw not being in defacto control of everything to be oppression of them by men. And this was an inescapable struggle. It was a toxic, noxious, annoying mentality of entitlement that appealed to those insecure about men and whom wanted a good rationale to demand more than their share.
But they didn’t take their critical theory or class struggle theory far enough. When the transwomen came knocking to be part of their clubs, the TERFs demanded that transwomen accept certain things as fact and base first. That transwomen weren’t really women, they were just queers. And while they would fight for the rights of queers, they would not recognize them as women. They were men.
This, ultimately, is why bio-essentialist feminists, as well as mainstram 90s feminists are now thrown under the catch all banner of, “white feminist” and “TERF.” Because their class struggle theory didn’t go far enough with making things socially constructed classes. THey stopped at biology for their romantic nonsense. And that was perceived as oppressing a group of people that championed the idea even constants of biology like gender should be social constructs.
Radical feminists that are not intersectionalists nor social constructionist are every bit the radical leftists as the people waving rainbow flags with the ugly trans colors and black stripe. They’re just disgraced and pariahed and disavowed after another school of philosophy asserted control in the tenured colleges where humanities are taught and among the professors that teach them.
That does not make them, “right wing.” Or conservative. To the disgusting sensibilities of these social constructionist, authoritarian assholes, not observing and prioritizing the logic and philosophy of class struggle theory to race and therefore putting the black struggle first makes you a white supremacist and an oppressor. It’s very extremist in nature and violently demented. Not too different from a religious zealot that sees difference as hostility and imminent danger.
And I am oh so enjoying watching this extremist rhetoric falling apart to the generations younger than my own. You’re doing great, kids.
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Alriiiight, more asks under the cut!! I don’t mind answering these, I just put them together to avoid spamming the blog too much, especially since a lot of them have some heavy topics in them. Don’t feel bad for sending them in though^^
1. NSJDKFHB LMAO RIP ANON - I wouldn’t have gotten the reference either, sorry :’D If I was the girl in question, I wouldn’t have been offended though if you explained it. I mean, if you’re comfortable enough to joke about my identity in a non-harmful way that’s actually a positive sign, right? :P
2. There is nothing bad about being cis. There is nothing bad about being heteroromantic. There is nothing bad about being heterosexual. There is nothing bad about being ace. You don’t deserve hate for any of these, just as much as others don’t deserve hate for being trans or gay. That is a fact. People are protesting for LGBT+ rights because we are human beings and deserve respect; stripping others from that respect isn’t gonna do them any good.
Again. You don’t deserve hate for being who you are. If your friend is doing it in a joking manner, just discreetly tell them that it makes you uncomfortable. If they aren’t doing it in a joking manner... excuse me for this but fuck them. Not cool. Talking about privilege is different from spewing hate. If they can’t understand that even after it was pointed out for them, you might want to distance yourself from them.
You are a human being, you deserve to be treated with respect, and anyone that doesn’t agree with that isn’t worth your time.
3. ...“message” like private messaging here? You are free to message me anytime, for any reason. In your case it might be a good idea to help determine if your dad is mentally abusive - although I am not an expert on that. I’m not getting abused from my family, friends or (non-existent) partner. Sure, my parents can be assholes sometimes and they are rather strict with a few rules, but that doesn’t equate abuse. My experience with (mental) abuse is limited to my first driving instructor, so keep that in mind if you decide to come to me!!
But assuming that your dad is mentally abusive. What can you do?
Again, I’m not speaking from experience, but the best thing I can think of is to tell an adult that you trust. Your mom? A teacher? A friend who might be willing to bring you to their parents? A distant relative that you might only see twice a year but is really nice?
Experienced adults (!! don’t take someone who just turned 18!) have the power to help. They can help you go over the next few steps. If it’s bad enough, they can be on your side and contact social services. Find a therapist. When it comes to mental damage done to you by your dad, they are the best people to help. (Though that might be difficult if your dad won’t allow it.)
Basically just. Make sure you have a network of support around you. Don’t let your dad isolate yourself, that’s dangerous. It helps with getting you back on your feet and it definitely helps if you have to escape that place.
4. I’m really not that amazing, I’m just good at pretending :P
This is gonna sound very anxiety-inducing but in my experience the best thing to do is to straight up ask :’D Like, just approach them with “hey, are you around town this weekend?” “are you free this tuesday?” “I’ve heard of ____ that reminded me of you, we should check it out sometime.” Something like that. Your intentions are pretty clear, but the statements are worded so that the other one can still pretend not to have noticed/give excuses if they don’t want to meet up.
Just. Don’t think about it too much. They are your friends, right? I’m sure stuff will work itself out^^
5. Wanting labels or not wanting them is both perfectly fine, don’t worry about that!! It makes sense to want them, it gives you a sense of security and understanding from others. It also makes sense not to want them, to limit yourself to something that might not describe you in your entirety. Both opinions are okay, neither of them is wrong.
As for your label - as far as I have heard, bi and pan have become pretty much synonymous these last few years. I’m not sure why they both still exist, especially with different flags and all... yeah. I don’t know much about this topic though, don’t take my word for what I just said :’D
You’re not weird for “judging people after gender”. I’m not sexually attracted to anyone, but I am biromantic, so I know that it feels different. Like. Not bad different. It’s just.... green and blue are both pretty colors, yeah? Sometimes blue fits my mood better, sometimes green does. Sometimes these preferences last for a long time but in the end I like them both. A shitty metaphor but you get my drift :P I saw a textpost once that said something along the lines of ‘being attracted to boys feels like “oooooh” and being attracted to girls feels like “aaaaah”’ and I can very much relate to that lmao
If you want a label, you will find one at some point. Maybe you are on the aromantic spectrum. Maybe pan was the label you were looking for, you just needed clarification on the above thing. You could try to google sexualities and see if anything appeals to you :D
6. Actually, I’m pretty sure that I’m asexual. Like. Asexual-asexual. I don’t feel sexual attraction, which makes me ace. My attitude towards sex is removed from that :P I’d describe myself as a sex-neutral asexual. (At least right now, I haven’t even gotten close to having sex yet, so I can’t be entirely sure.)
7. ........why is this controversial? D:
That’s okay. That’s 100% okay. A//ura is a character like every other, it’s okay to dislike her. You don’t need a reason to dislike a ship or a character or a plotline or, heck, a color. You can absolutely have one, but you don’t need one.
For example, I didn’t like Sh/ro very much until he disappeared after s2. There was no reason for it. (Or maybe there was, we act way too similar lmao) I only really started liking A//ura in s3 - I bet you can guess the episode :P I liked her since s2 with the “yAY SOMETHING SPARKLY” scene but it took me longer to really warm up to her. It is perfectly fine to like or dislike characters and it’s perfectly fine to change your opinion on that later ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
#a² (answered ask)#anon#remember: personal opinion and all that#i'm no expert on any of this#i'm just trying my best to help out where i can :'D
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The straight writers + mlm fic thing. I'm totally bummed that sounded like a dig at cis straight fans for being into + supportng m/m ships. Why s it bad for us to support slash ships just cause we're straight? LGBTQ writers matter + we need more of them, y'all! just why does our work mean less when we're here for and supprt those LGBTQ people and writiers? an I'm writing for everyone y'all, not just straight gals. We should support each other equally + not put others down dude
No one is putting you down, or saying you shouldn’t support or create content for slash ships. We’re just saying as fans writing about queer people, specifically mlm, we shouldn’t treat straightness and cisness as neutral or the simple fact that we are writing slash as allyship. We’re talking about queer issues, specifically mlm issues in fandom, and by sending an ask like this you are placing yourself in the role of a victim, which you are not. While I’m not mlm, I am queer. disclaimer that I’m not mlm I’m just a queer woman whos trying to show some solidarity. I’m not an authority by any means, I’m just riled and trying to put forth opinions Ive seen mlm give and you know, not hide from the fact that fandom isn’t perfect. but do note that I’m a cis, albeit queer, woman writing this, not mlm.
We’re not saying your work is less or that you shouldn’t be here, we’re just saying, hey maybe engage with what you’re writing a little more critically and don’t act as though your writing is for everyone unless you are actively listening to mlm about problems that show up when women, particularly straight cis women, write about mlm.
As usual I could not keep it brief for the life of me so I put most of my queer rage under the cut
Ok so first off you have the whole side of fandom (once again, not mlm, but women, in my experience mostly cis straight women) that like calls bucky their “sad gay baby” or “smol sad gay” and calls m/m erotic fic things along the lines of “filthy sinful gay smut”. I can totally understand why this makes mlm uncomfortable, I mean like who wants their non heterosexuality to be the defining trait that makes them appealing to straight people, who would want their love to be routinely called sinful and filthy by a community that claims to love them? Seriously guys take a step back and think about how it would feel to have someone talk about you like that.
I read a huge wonderful post by a bunch of mlm in fandom a while ago and I’ll sum up a little of it here. Basically it’s absolutely wonderful to have a huge community devoted to create content about lgbt+ characters. It’s amazing to have a space where people can come together and create content where queer people get happy endings and we can explore all sorts of themes all with lgbt characters. But since slash has a huge number of women, cishet or lgbt+, writing about lgbt+ men, stuff can get a not great.
For example, its really, really common to see top/bottom debates among fans. It’s one thing for mlm to identify as a top or bottom, it’s a whole other for women to sit there and debate which character fits in which static role. The whole thing reeks of deciding whos the “man” and whos the “woman” all to appease (usually and I am speaking from experience, not statistics or anything) straight cis women. We used to have a mod here who was a sex therapist and she talked a lot about how top/bottom debates are a really stereotypical way to look at queer mens relationships and as they are now its basically all about perceived gender roles and fetishization which like, is one of those things that should be putting up a red flag. She also talked a bit about how statistically it’s pretty likely that most gay couples don’t even really have penetrative sex and stick to mostly oral, intercural and hand stuff. And I’ve seen like so many mlm say that the whole top/bottom debate in fandom is homophobic as fuck time and time again and people just keep on going. Randos (especailly straight people) debating whos penetrating and whos being penetrated in a gay relationship as static roles is really. hoo. yikes. You also see things like only trans writers writing trans men who top, which speaks volumes. While what you read and write is up to you, it’s a good idea to look at why these trends happen and how they happen and what they do.
You also see a lot, like A LOT of unsafe sex practices because they’re “not hot otherwise” Just to start, me, a bi ace woman, cringes when I’m reading a fic and someone just shoves their dick into an asshole with like only some kissing as warm up. No. If you did that in real life, it would straight up just be painful and cause anal tearing. Also: rimming with no cleaning first? Like ok if you really think its hot to plunge a tongue into a dirty asshole, go for it but like, really? It takes literally one sentences to add in like “oh hey I did an enema and cleaned up before you got here” before delving into sex. It takes one sentence to do the same for lube oh my god seriously unlubed anal sex no matter the gender is just gonna lead to either 1. dick or toy stuck in asshole, 2. severe anal tearing, 3. both and even more delicate skin and tissue related injuries. While I’m on it if you are a vagina owner, or a penis owner or somewhere in between and are interested in playing with genitals, you should be using lube if you aren’t already. lube is your friend.
While it’s not content creators duty to make sure people know how to have safe sex, it’s pretty troubling that unsafe m/m sex is looked at as being “hot” in a very particular way. From what I understand, proper prep is a vital, vital part of gay sex and woman saying fics that show proper prep aren’t “”hot”” and fics that don’t show it are, that speaks to a broader problem.
Anyways this is me, a womans thoughts on the matter synthesized from reading a bunch of posts by mlm discussing the way them and stories about them are treated in fandom and it’s honestly better to just like, read their opinions. I tried my best here but I am still a woman and therefore don’t fully understand mlm experience (not that there is a single mlm experience)
Please do continue writing and creating and reading and making headcannons! No one is saying you shouldn’t be here or you shouldn’t wrote m/m! All that’s being asked is for women, especially straight women who read and write and create m/m fanworks, to engage with it mindfully and like, at least make your best effort to not to fetishize mlm, to treat them as people rather than objects, which I really don’t think is asking too much.
Further reading
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here (same post but with different topics discussed)
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Feel free to add more links of mlm taking about these issues cause I know i’m long winded but I don’t want to talk over mlm!
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Hey, guess what!
I just revamped this little ragamuffin of a post into a defense piece after rewatching the show and seeing more of the creators’ intentions. I revised most of my ideas and made this a bit more appealing to look at, hope you enjoy it.
Intro
The first thing I made sure to do before watching this show was to leave all of my qualms at the doorstep. If you keep thinking about how bad you think something is gonna be it really can spoil the experience for you, especially when you keep comparing it to something else that you think is better. Looking at the show as its own, individual entity allowed me to see it for what it was, and, I have to say, I genuinely enjoyed what it had to offer. It’s an interesting take on many of the high school-related tropes of our time and I think it’s a quintessential watch for fans of modern dramas who’re interested in adding a little edge to their palate.
The Heathers
The biggest complaint I saw people give before the show had even aired was that because the Heathers were members of the marginalized (Heather Chandler being a plus-sized girl, Heather McNamara being a Black lesbian, and Heather Duke being a genderqueer kid with she/her pronouns), the show was going to spout some sort of hate speech about their respective groups. This isn’t at all what I saw from it. As I sat through all ten of the episodes, they proved to be my favorites out of all the characters. The three truly like earnest attempts at writing captivating characters if you ask me. And, being a Black, plus-sized kid with an uncertain gender myself, there was never a moment where it felt like my identity or struggles were being demeaned by the writers.
Heather Chandler: Some complaints directed at H. Chandler’s character, specifically, was that a big girl being at the top of the pecking order was in no way realistic because people like her still suffered from a disproportionate amount of bullying in schools today. This is fully true, and, as mentioned above, I should know. However, the writers were fully aware of this. On multiple occasions, we see instances of realism peak through when Heather is shown to be genuinely insecure about her body image. Not only is it something that other characters weaponize to knock her off balance, but it’s also something her mother openly laughs about in an episode where we get a glimpse into Heather’s home life. Another reason people hated Heather’s character was that, to them, she was the writers’ punching bag for Woke-ness and cancel culture. The fact that her beliefs often come across as more than a little morally confused is actually a big piece of the puzzle here. I believe that this aspect of Heather’s personality is meant to criticize the ways certain people (white, cis, straight, etc.) can become so caught up about enacting justice where they see fit, that they won’t stop to think of different ways they can approach the situation. With all of this in mind, just know that the writers make it clear that they still have respect for political correctness. It’s only in the second episode later that Veronica admits that, while Heather was a monster, “at least she was a monster about the right things”.
Heather Duke: Now for the problematic fave of the century. One of the largest problems people had with H. Duke’s character was her gender. On top of the assumption that she’s a half-assed depiction of a Trans girl, there were people upset that her gender identity was treated as a punchline by the writers. Once again, this isn’t at all the truth. The only times a joke was made in the show relating to Heather’s gender, it was either someone who wasn’t educated on the subject making a fool of themselves or her finding a way to clap back at those who were critical of it. A scene that people often pointed to as evidence for their claims was a moment from the second episode where Betty and her classmates enter the womens’ restroom at Westerburg when H. Duke, H. McNamara, and Veronica are there as well. One of Betty’s friends whispers “see, Heath is in the girls’ bathroom,” to which Heather boldly responds “It’s ‘Heather’.” Following this, the only real humor in the scene comes from when Betty, attempting to mediate the situation, claims that the female students don’t feel comfortable with a person like her in “their space” and Heather retorts that she doesn’t feel comfortable with people like them in her space. I, personally, loved scenes like this because of how unabashed they are in calling out people with worldviews that still yet to catch up to the 21st century. As I mentioned in the paragraphs above, this version of Heather canonically identifies as genderqueer; an umbrella term that, in simple terms, refers to people who navigate and express their gender in a way that does not subscribe to society’s perception of how they should. In Heather’s case, this involves androgynous outfits, going by she/her pronouns, and having a very feminine chosen name.
Heather McNamara: Okay, I’m going to admit, I didn’t really like what the writers did with her character either, but it’s still nowhere as awful as people make it out to be. The only real complaint I saw about Heather McNamara was how it was dumb from a writing standpoint for her to be revealed as a just Straight girl playing pretend for clout, but I don’t think this is necessarily what happened. Just because someone who says they like the same sex is in a relationship with the opposite, doesn’t automatically make them a hetero. Sexuality isn’t always in a static state and bi/pansexual people are a thing that exists! If you view her character in a more fluid light, then what exactly the writers were going for will make a lot more sense. You’d be surprised at just how many people there are, especially young people, who came to terms with the fact that they’re Gay™ only to realize sometime down the line that their experience with sexuality is much less simple. Because of this, I think it makes perfect sense that Heather wouldn’t want to be particularly open about the nuances of her sexuality and would just stick with the first answer that came to mind. As we see with H. Chandler’s reaction to the news, many aren’t too many people who’re particularly enthusiastic about M-spec folks calling themselves gay in any compacity (just look at the whole “Bisexual-Lesbian” decal for a recent example of this). Alternatively, I could be being a little too hopeful. Maybe I’m simply seeing bi/pan rep in places where there is none? Even then, the specifics of her sexuality weren’t even the topic of scorn in this plotline. It was that people were so focused on other petty squabbles going on, that no one even bats an eye at the fact that the guy that she’d been hooking up with in secret was her history teacher. Someone who ends up getting off scot-free for his behavior because of the misogynistic, under-the-table rules of the school’s principal. Like, seriously, how did none of us recognize the commentary in this? Anyways, back to the main discussion.
Another huge problem people had was that the show having these characters who belonged to typically marginalized groups being the queen bees of Westerburg was missing the point of the original and that it was morally wrong for them to be the “villains” of the story. Firstly, the point of the original trio wasn’t that these skinny, white, Cishet girls were asserting themselves over people who looked different in any way. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but, literally everyone in the original was skinny, white, and Cishet. The point was that people with power over their environment can easily lose sight of their morality and that there’s so much more to life than always trying to come out on top. Secondly, if you think that, in the original, the Heathers were meant to be the designated hate-magnets, then that shows there is something probably wrong with your perception of the movie and life as a whole!
...Okay, that was a little dramatic. Let me backtrack...
Yes, the original H. Chandler was a bully towards pretty much everyone, but she, nor her successor, H. Duke, were the main villains of the story. That role went to J.D. and, if you think about it, Veronica as well. You know, the homicidal social justice vigilantes who straight-up murder three of their classmates just because they were assholes. Speaking of which...
Veronica & J.D.
It's pretty obvious that the show wasn’t trying to portray J.D. nor Veronica as these angst-ridden teens who were somehow more politically aware than everyone else, this couldn’t be farther from the truth. Throughout the episodes, while everyone else is trudging through the horrid battle zone that is American high school, the two murder four people in cold blood (all of whom were thin and white, by the way). They both even end up in what can only be assumed to be hell while everyone else, even Heathers Duke and McNamara, are dancing the eternity away in their afterlife-prom in the series finale.
On the topic of Veronica, the two overarching criticism of her character I saw were that she just didn’t fit the bill for the Veronica of the original film. Even her hair color, a golden blonde, made her feel more like a Heather than the actual Heathers themselves. While this may have seemed like an oversight on the part of the creators, I believe this was absolutely intentional.
The original film was a trailblazer in many ways, setting the tone for countless teen movies that would come after it. Because of this legacy, many elements of the film that once seemed innovative and original are now commonplace. This would include its protagonist. The show is aware of this, so, instead of treading old waters, it took a more self-aware approach by making it a point that people like Veronica have become a dime-a-dozen in the modern world. Once she realizes she’s merely a cog in the machine, wants desperately to sever herself from the toxic status quo that everyone around her seems to have no issue participating in.
Furthermore, I’ve seen so many people lambast the show for trying to send the message that the minorities (the Heathers) are the “real bullies” and that J.D. and Veronica are merely victims who are killing in the name of some vigilante justice. My only response to this is: “Huh?”. Like, are we sure we're even talking about the same show anymore? Where were the two of them ever portrayed as the “good guys”? Are we sure this show even had good guys? Even in the original, these two were never once seriously victimized by the school’s social order, especially not at the hands of the Heathers. Veronica was a Heather herself up until she officially split from the clique in her showdown with a power-tripping H. Duke in the film’s second act. In the case of J.D., sure, he was never exactly a socialite, but that was all his choice. In his very first scene, he goes out of his way to distance himself from the rest of the school when he fires blanks at Kurt and Ram when they tried to instigate a fight with him. The two made a conscious effort to be outsiders.
Betty Finn
On to a smaller controversy, but still, it’s one that I want to talk about. The original Betty Finn was a nice person, sure, but that doesn’t necessarily equate to her being a good person. For the sake of this argument, let’s compare her to Veronica. While Veronica has a character arc in which she becomes a better person and learns to more sufficiently deal with the world around her, Betty does not go on such a journey and willingly stays right where she is in terms of worldview. We’re shown through her dialogue in the second croquet scene that she’s complacent in Westerburg’s toxicity; while in the first croquet scene the characters’ craving for dominance is illustrated through how they turn even a simple game into a petty competition, Betty outright says “Go ahead, knock me out. It’s the only way to win.” Not even bothering to engage for a little bit longer once she knows her friend has a leg up on her. Furthermore, in the original’s final moments, it’s not her childhood best friend with who Veronica chooses to skip out on prom and watch movies. It’s Martha, the outcast girl who’s seen the cruelty of Westerberg first hand and knows just how vapid the school’s food chain really is. Therefore, the show’s version of Betty choosing to forfeit her sweet-as-pie image and climb the social ladder isn’t as much of a shock when you think about the character she’s based on.
Misc. Stuff
Fashion & Lingo: Another preemptive complaint I saw was about the outfits the characters wore and the style of the dialogue. Specifically about how normal teens would never dress or talk that way, but isn’t that kind of the entire point? In both the show and the movie, the main cast would be caught dead before they’d willingly follow any of the typical teen-oriented trends. Their way of dressing was always meant to be precocious and flamboyant. I mean, do y’all think that, even in the 80s, girls would just up and wear full-scale power suits to school like it was nothing? As for the way the characters talk, I’m pretty sure it was written that way for the same reason it was in the original; using modern-day prose would make it sound outdated in only a few years, so they just made up some young-people-slang for more longevity and uniqueness.
The Unreality: The grievance people had that confused me the most was that because the writing of the show was so campy and surreal they disliked it on that merit alone. I just have to ask: What did you expect? Heathers has always been completely off the wall in so many ways. Sure, stuff like gun-slinging white boys, high schoolers being heinous to each other, and adults being painfully useless may not be that unthinkable with a modern state of mind, but back during the era of the movie’s release, it looked like an outright fever dream! While watching this show it honestly felt like what the 1988 version would’ve been like if it was written today.
The Source Material: Now for the defense that will likely drive away a good 99% of this essay’s readership, I think the TV series serves as a great compliment to the original. (Please lower your pitchforks until the end of the paragraph.) While the show is very different from the movie it still hits many of the major beats. In the original the town of Sherwood, but, more importantly, Westerburg High was designed to serve as a condensed, satirical reflection of society. It displays a population that is obsessed with status, fueled by competition, and almost entirely numb to violence and tragedy. What better way to convey this than with a high school in a predominantly well-off suburb where juvenile warfare can go unchecked and, in some cases, even enabled? I believe that this was truly what the original was getting at, and the show portrayed it beautifully.
So I watched the Heathers 2018 reboot, no one asked but here are my thoughts.
[Minor spoilers ahead!]
1. The first thing I made sure to do before watching, was to leave all of my previous qualms at the doorstep. If you just keep thinking about how bad you something is gonna be, it can spoil the experience for you. Looking at the show as its own individual entity really allowed me to see it as it truly was. And I have to say, I genuinely enjoyed what it had to offer.
2. One major complaint I saw from the fandom before the show even aired was that because the Heathers were minorities, the show was going to spout some sort of hate speech about their respective groups. But this isn’t what I at all saw from it, they were honestly my favorite characters and I think that was actually the intention.
3. I really didn’t expect Veronica and JD to both be unstable in this, but the fact that they have added some interesting plot points.
3.1 It’s obvious that the show wasn’t trying to portray them as these quirky and misunderstood teens like just about everyone expected, this couldn’t be farther from the truth. They are pretty much portrayed the (kind of) bad guys throughout the episodes. I mean, they both even end up in what can only be assumed to be hell while everyone else, even the Heathers, are dancing the eternity away in heaven.
4. I don’t mean to sound like a Twitter local, but the costume and set designs had me shook. Everywhere and everyone were so pleasant to look at, it really topped things off for me.
So in the end. I liked the Heathers reboot, It’s kind of disheartening that it got canceled after the first season though. Apparently, they were planning on having every season set in a different place and/or time.
Final Rating - 7.5/10, it could have been better, but it was still pretty good.
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CN: Sex TMI incoming!
Case in point: I have all of the shame kinks, which is perhaps not unusual for the sort of person who's been raised in a culture which views their desires as shameful. Occasionally, my husband will use slurs (about queerness and disgust and failed masculinity) and I don't really know how to process it. I am...extremely into this. But I know, from other conversations we've had, that he has a visceral "not those words under any circumstances" relationship with some of these terms.
It's not something I've asked of him, and when I've followed up with him about it, his position is that when he chooses to do this, it's at times when he feels ok to do so; which is reasonable enough.
but it's difficult too. When this happens, we're already playing in an extremely loaded place of shame, and so it starts me thinking...
1. to what extent are we two queer men, attempting to navigate our relationship with shame and violence together? After all, I am *far* from the only queer man who's into this. Apparently, Gilbert and George used to go walking hand in hand next to skinheads so they could get beaten up: I don't know if this is true, but I absolutely see the appeal of being hit by someone who might actually kill you.
2. At the same time, I'm aware that I...quite genuinely do have a different history with this language than my husband. So, to what extent are we navigating the gulf between a cis and trans experience, one in which the same cultural gendered/sexual/masculine shame/disgust/failure is relevant to both of us, but is ultimately *different*. There's no shortage of trans men/transmasc people who are into self-identifying with these terms. Goodness knows, I understand both personally and culturally why we're a group who would feel unnaturally at home with these (homophobic; simultaneously misandrist and misogynist; bad yaoi) tropes. But a lot of the time when I encounter transmasculine folks who are into using terms like "f*ggot" or "tr*nny" and so forth, it seems to considerably outnumber cis gay/bi men who embrace them, and that should maybe give us pause.
and on a third hand, having considered first my right to claim maleness as an automatic and equal thing; and second, considering my husband's right to claim his cis experience as in some way a priority.
3: The third thing is my right to have a trans culture, to not make my wants and needs subordinate to that of cis people, to become comfortable with discomforting them when necessary, to define my own relationship with cultural ideas of gender and sexuality, of equal merit and validity, and of superior importance within my own life and things relating to me. Trans people of all genders and experiences seem to be the primary group using the f word, for example. I know several transfeminine people who use it to describe their material gender experience: the difference between growing up as a comfortably male cis man, and a future-trans-woman whose gender nonconformity is obvious to onlookers (sometimes before she even has the words for it or knows that she is Something Wrong) and must be violently punished.
Similarly, there's a huge range of implications of that word, but most of them boil down to being a "failed man". Perhaps it makes sense that we are the most natural fit for reclaiming it. Not in terms of, we are reclaiming a word that had been used to hurt us. But the concept of masculinity, and policing those who dont fit, absolutely falls hard on us, and in a way we can't escape. There will always be parts of my gender experience and expression which are in some way failed or abject
For both trans men and trans women, there's maybe a sense that we...can't outgrow being a closeted gay boy into a confident gay man, who can reject a bullying term targeted at his manhood, because he is a confident, strong, man who also loves other men. For transsexuals, there will always be a danger of being perceived or punished as "a failed and inadequate man" (whether we hope to be perceived as a real man, or as far as manliness as possible). It's inescapable, and we need to reclaim this and make our peace with it, one way or another.
all three things here are, in a sense, true and important. But they contradict, sometimes profoundly. And it's all well and good to reflect on this when you're negotiating consent and boundaries and histories of marginalisation with your partner. But to be trans is, trying to unpack all this when you're like, walking to the shops to buy milk. It never stops. A triple consciousness of yourself as really your gender, and also not really your gender compared to others with a greater claim, and also not really any gender whatsoever, a permanent outcast from categories of any kind. It's hard!
what I want in my life is to be happy, and not to hurt anyone.
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Makeup and “Empowerment”
Makeup is a product created by capitalism simply as an object to be sold. It is a part of society’s commodification of beauty. Products like these are often invented only to create more labor. Capitalists imagine up more objects which can be sold for a profit to people that they have convinced need this object. No one needs makeup. In truth, makeup is just powders and gels used to change the physical landscape of a face. It is useless in practicality when taken out of the context of reality. Of course, we are in reality, so we have to talk about as such. But the reality is that while makeup does serve a purpose in our society, its purpose is to reinforce (mostly white) heteropatriarchal notions of beauty. Makeup and the makeup industry does nothing but perpetuate an insidious patriarchal expectation that women should be or need to be beautiful.
So why do we buy into this expectation, even though plenty of us know and understand that patriarchy exists? Decades of propaganda that tell us that we need to look beautiful, so men find us attractive. As feminism has progressed in the modern world, this line has become increasingly critiqued. Many, if not most, progressive women realize that this advertising is in fact propaganda. We should not need to look beautiful for the benefit of men. But as this realization has grown, the beauty industry has grown too. Most brands have evolved their advertising to include pseudo-feminist phrases in an attempt to try and sell the same exact product they always have. They portray their products as a form of “empowerment” or “not settling for less.”
They say, “Do your make up perfect using our product, and you won't be doing the same thing women have been doing for decades because of gender roles and sexism. No, because now you will be doing it for you! The fact that men will treat you better if you conform to patriarchal rules like using makeup is incidental. The fact that women who do not wear makeup are punished by society is incidental. We are in a new age where you can now do the same coping skills your mothers did to survive, but you are doing it for you instead.” Or, instead of not settling for being considered a lesser person for your gender, it becomes: “Don’t settle for any number of trivial things that patriarchy wants you to fix. Don’t settle for dry skin or flat hair or for whatever length eyelashes you have. Don’t settle for the way your body naturally looks, buy our product and get a better version of yourself.” This natural look is not called this though, it is coded as ugly, because, of course, they sell their product as bringing out what is natural. Their product is what will give your hair a natural shine. Their ten products at a minimum of $10 each will allow you to see your “Fierce Natural Beauty” for the first time. Their product will give you clear natural skin as if women’s bodies exist in a place below natural and need to be brought up to a natural and Good state. Before their products, your hair was Bad and Wrong and this better version of yourself, of course, better appeals to a Eurocentric heterosexual ideal. It further reinforces old ideas about women’s worth naturally being less.
And what I find so offensive about it is that they do attempt to couch this message in feminist language. Makeup can be fun. It can be an insane tool of creativity. It can make people who are insecure feel better about themselves. The problem is that while covering up a wound might make it look better to the world and let you go outside, there is still an injury that needs to breathe. There is still an actual, dangerous issue that needs to be addressed, and we cannot dress the wound while trying to cover it up. Continuing to put on makeup and buying into this “empowerment” lie is only continuing to ignore the problem of sexism. It does not ultimately help someone who is insecure about themselves. They just keep putting on makeup instead of learning to live with themselves, to stop feeling sad about the way they naturally exist.
You are not helping yourself by wearing makeup, not in the long run. In the short term, yes, it is going to help you get out the door and feel beautiful and maybe positively affect your outside life in the current society we live in, but it is not doing anything progressive. Makeup is not progressive. It is not empowering. The only context within which it could be empowering is the one where patriarchy treats us better when we buy in. In a household where dogs are treated better if they hold their heads low, they will feel safe with their heads low. They feel better that way; they are not in any danger. It could even be, down the line, seen as empowering for them. “Wow, those dogs’ neck lines downward are so fierce. They look so good. They are doing it for themselves because it makes them feel better.”
The fact is that real power would come from women saying, “I do not need to be beautiful. Ugly does not exist. It is entirely reasonable for me to exist just as I am in my natural state.” We need to start radically challenging sexist notions on a broad basis, but also in a personal capacity. We cannot end the makeup industry and sexism if we still put on loads of makeup every day because we are uncomfortable with our actual bodies and faces. I have stopped buying makeup. While it is mostly because I have never gotten super into using it (I have never even properly learned how to apply foundation/ concealer/ bronzer/ whatever), it is also because I know it ultimately does no good to buy into the beauty industry. It is probably easier for me to do this than for many others. As a nonbinary person, a gender non-conforming woman, I have never actually relied on it, and though it is not because I have been secure in my looks, it has never been the place where I tried to draw my self-confidence. I have, for a long time, known deep down that I am not exactly beautiful. I went through a phase where I insisted I was, despite not fitting perfectly into society’s narrow mold, but even that ultimately cracked and I was left wondering why I felt so bad about myself. It is because I was trying to contest with the construct of beauty. I am not the first person to say this, but body positivity should not be about expanding the limits of beautiful. It should be about destroying the idea of beauty. It only serves to oppress and to other.
For some, giving up makeup is scary and anxiety inducing. In a further intersectional light, it can be considered necessary for some trans people, women especially, as they can face violence for not passing as cis in public. For some people, I am sure it feels like they simply can not. They do not ever leave their house without some amount of makeup on, but the less we support the bogus establishment’s rules for us, the less power they will have. I think it would and will take something remarkably radical to rid the world of all sexism, and this issue is not the most important one by far, not inside sexism, and not inside the world’s giant bucket of issues, but I think it is something we can start to think about individually. Because, sure, we do not live in an ideal society where we can all get away with wearing zero makeup, but if we keep shrugging our shoulders and using that as an excuse, we never will. We can start by examining our behaviors and habits and asking ourselves some questions that help us think critically about what we’re doing to advance feminism in our daily lives:
“Why do I feel I need foundation, lipstick, and perfect eyebrows to leave the house?”
“Who am I trying to impress? Why am I trying to impress them?”
“Is this, all this money, time, emotion, all ‘For Me’?”
“What would happen if I went to work/shop/lunch without makeup?”
“Why do I only feel that I look satisfactory with makeup?”
“Why do I need to feel satisfactory in this way?”
“What is wrong with being ugly?”
“What power does that hold over me and what power am I letting it have?”
And lastly, much of this is also often framed as personal choice. It is our personal choice to wear makeup or not, but ‘choice feminism’ lets us choose to continue oppression. When we do not live in a free society, we do not have full choice. We have the option of going with the status quo, or actively going against it and trying to dismantle it. Those are our choices, and only one of them is going to do anything positive in the long run.
#ignore this 4 page essay if u wish lmao#i just wrote it last night and fixed it up this morning#murder me#feminism#makeup#i hate makeup the more i think about it#ugh
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Things to do instead of A/B/O
(Buckle up my friends, this is going to be long, as I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about it)
Okay so if you've followed my blog for any amount of time, or if you know me a bit, you might know that one of my biggest NOPES when it comes to fanfic is the A/B/O trope. Now, I haven't read a ton of it, but I've given it a fair chance, have read enough to know the characteristic aspects of it, and decide it's not for me. But, I'm also aware that it...might be for a lot of people, and, okay I really hate to say this but it's problematic, and while I'm normally like, write the shit you want, you do you, conflict makes story great, etc...okay, yeah, you do you. That's fine. But I really feel like A/B/O is not only propagating dangerous, misogynistic heteronormative narratives, but is also kind of an easy, lazy writing device. Because I can see aspects of the trope that have potential! Which don't get explored! And I see aspects of the trope that are appealing, but have alternatives that would be much more interesting if approached differently.
So, here I am to offer some potential alternatives to A/B/O Things, based on some of the key elements of A/B/O.
Mpreg
Okay personally mpreg just really triggers my YIKES NOPE reaction. However, I can see the appeal of it. There are ways of going about it without relying on an A/B/O narrative.
One, you just want your characters to make a family together. That's sweet, cute, yeah, go for it! But...why not adopt? Really. Adopting is really beautiful, has potentially a lot of conflict in the adoption process itself, I mean, really. As many children as there are without parents, it's still probably more difficult to adopt than it is to just pop out a child on your own (not sure about the financial aspects, but having a baby is REALLY expensive, medically; I don't usually read fics involving kids but I would imagine that's another issue that probably doesn't get addressed in fic, but I digress). Anyway. The adoption process is just as meaningful, and potentially more so, for a couple to go through together, instead of pregnancy.
You want to see your character pregnant. Okay. So I suppose there's a few different aspects of this that are appealing.
You want your character to go through morning sickness, etc, all the physical bullshit of pregnancy so their partner can care for them. That can be accomplished just as well with illness, there are illnesses that can be long and drawn-out, it doesn't have to be a fatal illness, and fighting that illness can make for good conflict/resolution, etc.
You like the idea of procreation as it is. You can accomplish that with a gender swap. Don't be afraid to write the character the same, with only their sex different. Women can be as robust and diverse as men. You still want a same-sex relationship? They can both be gals. Just go for it!
You really want to see a male character pregnant, and this cannot be accomplished through the usual biological means. See the Gender/Secondary Gender section.
You want your character to be a “woman” without actually making them female. NO. Just don't. Stop. We have enough problems with women being a “fragile” or “weaker” or “inferior” sex as it is, and all the shitty gender roles that go with it. Unless the story arc is overcoming ingrained prejudice in that aspect (and even then it’s questionable), just...don't. There are better things to write.
Gender/Secondary Gender/Sex
This is...a really sensitive subject to deal with, imo. I think it's probably one of my biggest issues with A/B/O, because there's rampant misogynistic, heteronormative elements in many A/B/O fics. I don't know if ALL fics fall into this, but all of the ones I've read do, and it's a big turn-off for me.
Here’s a simplified rundown of my understanding of secondary sexes:
Alphas present as dominant, the caretaker/provider, are generally superior in things like sports, business, etc. They can lose control in the presence of an omega, to the point of potentially raping them. The “man/masculine” of the dynamic.
Betas are neutral, safe, I guess? Inferior in a way, because they're normal and don't have one of the extremes. (As an aside, I actually think that this “secondary sex” would be incredibly interesting to explore in the context of A/B/O, if it was done right, like, are they an in-between? Is it kind of like being agender or genderfluid? How do they cope with the other genders?)
Omegas present as submissive, needy, inferior, unable to control themselves during heat and therefore at a disadvantage in whatever activities they engage in (especially competitive sports), and also the ability to consent is essentially taken from them during their heats, due to biological need. The “female/feminine” of the dynamic.
Women are generally completely ignored??? I'm guilty in not always including ladies in my fics, I won't lie, but there has to be some dynamic created in this setting that involves women.
Okay. So. Overall, I don't think the idea of a secondary sex or gender is a bad idea, per se. I just really hate the gender-driven hierarchy that's raised by it (specifically that it’s heavily heteronormative), and it's really not that necessary when the same effect can be achieved with primary gender/sex. So here's a few things to consider.
Gender roles: just don't. Please, I'm so fucking sick of it. Relationships are a give-and-take, and different people have different strengths and weaknesses, that don't depend on their gender. Figuring out the balance is more interesting, anyway, rather than having it predescribed. Do that instead, please.
There are still many issues of gender in the world we live in as it is. You could explore those. For example, Yuri on Ice plays with this a little: most of our main characters have cultivated an image of androgyny or even femininity in their skating programs. However, keep in mind that androgyny etc has different roots and different meanings for different cultures.
If you want to explore gender identities, I would suggest treading very carefully, especially if you are a cis person (in fact as a general rule I wouldn't do it at all without heavy research, consulting people that are willing to share their experiences with their identity, etc). You might be tempted to, say, make your character a trans male so they can get pregnant. Personally, as someone who is cis, I feel very uncomfortable doing that, because it's not an issue I think I have the right to handle, and I highly suggest that such an issue be left to those who would identify with that situation (I'm not sure what language/vocab I should use to say this). Of course everyone will have a different situation, and it's not entirely impossible to have such a storyline, but really...cis people have no business using such a delicate matter as a writing device, just so they can make their character fit a particular kink, because let's be real, that's what it comes down to. There are other ways.
Not knowing one’s secondary gender/sex until after puberty: honestly, you don't even need to make it secondary, if people are genderless to begin with! For example, since we’re already writing an alternative biology AU, why not make it so that people are sexless at birth? Maybe they choose or develop a sex later on! I imagine this would make an incredibly interesting culture: is there pressure to choose one over the other? Are there still gender roles, or does the neutral beginning make it easier to do away with those? What other kind of identity issues arise with this, or is it not an issue at all? Is it possible to remain in a state of neutral gender indefinitely? How does procreation work? Fascinating, right?!
Again with the idea of an alternative biology, you could use fantasy creatures (see also: Heats/Ruts, Mating Cycles; Scenting and Marking). Maybe your character has the ability to choose to carry a child, regardless of their presented sex/gender, or maybe their sex/gender is in flux, changeable. There are probably different kinds of demons, too, with different abilities--and probably not all of them have these abilities! There's a wealth of cultural/societal implications in this, without having to resort to gendered roles.
Non-con/dubcon propagated by secondary gender (heats/ruts). I mean, ok, different strokes for different folks, but again, don't really need a secondary gender for that one. See also Heats/Ruts...
Heats/Ruts, Mating Cycles; Scenting and Marking
Perhaps one of the big elements of A/B/O, I think? Also actually something I dig quite a bit--up to a point. While I like the idea of being exceedingly desperate for sex in my smut, in A/B/O, it’s often taken to the extreme to the point that characters arguably lose the ability to say ‘no,’ and therefore the ability to consent. Sometimes this is addressed before the omega character has their heat, but not always, and sometimes even discussing it ahead of time, an alpha still loses control due to a reaction to pheromones and whatnot.
Marking/bonding with a mate is also, in itself, not a terrible thing (it can be romantic, actually!) but again there’s the non-con marking that’s sometimes used as a plot point to trap a character into a relationship. I guess that can work, but again, there are other ways to trap a character into a relationship, if that’s what you’re really going for. Financial issues, different forms of abuse, etc, without using biological restraints--even with these, you should be careful, or at least tag your fic appropriately.
Anyway, overall, not a bad element. However, these things don’t have to be limited to A/B/O! A few alternatives to consider:
Above I mentioned alternative biology, you don’t need A/B/O to have a character that has a mating cycle, does the scenting thing etc. Could be a fantasy/mythology creature, or hell, we could do aliens! Why not! You can also incorporate knotting in this, if you like.
Could be a fetish thing--you don’t really need different biology to get wrapped up in someone’s scent. A lot of that is in a person’s head, too, which can flesh out a narrative.
Yo dude, biting/marking is hot in regular fic, you don’t need to put it in A/B/O.
And so…
I make no claims that this is a comprehensive list of alternatives, or that I’m right, or that A/B/O is inherently wrong and you should never write it. I am a huge proponent of MAKING SHIT UP for fics, of writing what you want. But I also think that A/B/O is a bit of a cop-out on many fronts--or at least, it’s not reaching its potential, and ought to be handled differently, so please keep that in mind. And thanks for reading!
Feel free to add on to this, if you like! (Not that I have any say, thanks, tumblr.) Or, if you want to discuss it, that’s cool, too--just know that I will not entertain personal attacks or responses that blatantly ignore the suggestions I have put out (which, by the way, I put a lot of time and thought into!).
Cheers!
#anti omegaverse#anti a/b/o#i don't consider it anti but just to be safe#writing advice#that no one asked for#a/b/o trope
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