#lightfall ce spoilers

[telestoapologist]

baby caiatl sliding around on her belly like a penguin... 😭

[synnthamonsugar]

Spoilers for Lightfall CE Lorebook (Elsie's) (Doesn't spoil Lightfall)

OUGH THE ELSIE AND TOKKI AND ELSIE AND POUKA INTERACTIONS IM OBSESSED WITH ELSIE ALWAYS HAVING A LITTLE FRIEND AROUND. MORE OF THIS PLEASE (eats up the human-familiar/companion dynamics two-handed)

The brief Nightmare-Eriana & Eris interaction killed me. Seemed to be one of Elsie's bad timelines (I think? I would like to hear opinions on it), tho given she could get through to Eris I'm not sure she was, or was very far, lost to Darkness. Knowing how nightmares operate the idea that Eris is or could be carrying a germ of an idea that she betrayed her friends by turning to the hive to save herself SLAYS me and casts Eris' reaction to Mara taking a piece of Oryx's power for herself in a new light.

Speaking of Mara. Mara commanding Taken (but being on Elsie's side?) at some point. Easy to chalk this up to Dark Future timeline weirdness but given we know (from the WQ CE) that Mara made off with some aspect of Oryx . . . guys I think this isn't something specific to this timeline. I think this is just how Mara is (or a skill she can develop).

OH. ERAMIS TOUCHING ELSIE'S CHEEK.

Ikora killing Elsie in one timeline UGH OUGH HOUGH AOUGHHH (weeping throwing up etc.)

There being room on the ship for Ana......I die.....................

[alketaire]

ce lore pseudo-liveblogging under the cut

link to an upload post

started with the osiris logs. always fucking stoked when ikora and ophiucus are doing their thing.

he can’t even say Sagira’s name nooooo ;_; IKORA CAN’T EVEN DESCRIBE HOW HE LOOKS AT HER SHELL NOOOOO TT_TT

and then he’s a tea snob lol ofc. if you hand osiris anything he’s prob encountered it in at least 320400 timelines, he’s a ___ snob all day every day

we’re at a 2-harrumphs-per-page consistent rate so far, most excellent

significant discussion so far of potential ways both Sagira and Savathûn could be brought back. HMMM.

ooh, use of “katabasis” in the mythological sense as a metaphor for what Osiris thinks Savathûn might have gone through, neat

why is Osiris mumbling to himself a point of worry, he’s been talking to himself for three kajillion years. plus he’s mumbling about inanna and i am ALWAYS down for more sumerian mythology in media

lol Ikora and Ophiucus talking again is great bc the second one of them agrees with the other they switch sides and keep arguing, love it

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ok on to calus! dan said this one has people in an uproar which. the woman is a civilization of problems in a 500-pound bag, i think i’m ready *immediate missing mom* oh no.

baby caiatl slip slidin around you deserved so much better than the everything ;_;

oh, cool, specifics of uluran biology/history/culture! love it except this family is still a fucking nightmaOH JESUS CHRIST WHAT THE FUCK

ok why is Umun’arath the least insane person here

wait. wait. WAIT THE FUCKING SECOND. THIS SEEMS TO IMPLY THE PSIONS ARE THE ECUMENE. WAS OXA MADE FROM TAOX. I THOUGHT THAT SHIT ON REDDIT WAS PURE SPINFOIL BUT WHAT THE FUCK

this whale riding shit sounds like if you asked calus what he thought “drunk driving” should be

aw MANNNNN i wanna turn into a monument of solid bone when i get too old

gotta say all the like uluran worldbuilding so far is just. cool as fucking hell. lithium-carved cave art would be super shiny for a while compared to the oxidized rock surrounding it. shame torobatl and the uluran homeworld wherever it is are fucked.

speaking of cool as fucking hell, caiatl, empress of ‘rip to my copilot but im different’

lol @ calus smooshing his face through a model of the Almighty as he throws a drunk tantrum at umun’arath. he’s, uh, not wrong tho?

glad that caiatl and dan agree about ghaul’s voice. that man could be telling you to go to the corner store for milk and you’d be ready to duel someone to the death for the last carton of lactose-free 1%

OOOOOOO THE GHOST PRIMUS WHO WILL RESURRECT OUR EMPIRE HOLY SHIT HOHOHOHO guardianghaulsomehowplease

mood whiplash, am now crying

so MUCH fucking light imagery around ghaul, cmon now

aaaaand ahamkara. fuck’s sake. do we - OH NO. oh shit. caiatl empress of being fucking BORN paracausal!!

fortunately, she is caiatl and spends the entire next page going “yeah fuck all this bullshit” because a wish for someone to love does not mean a wish for someone who won’t be your downfall lol

omg cabal fantasy football i’m DEAD

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on to the elsie book! i have known tokki for two lore entries and three paragraphs and i would die for her

oh so cloudstriders are uluran-sized. neat.

hmm. wonder if pouka’s communication works that way with guardians. or even non-exos, for that matter.

oh so elsie knew there was a mega-human out on a station near pluto two four years ago but nbd, what is this fish thing?????? ig it helped her learn stasis but ma’am really?

lol after a bunch of people being all like ooh hive magic is the next darkness class ooo! nah brah hive magic was fancy stasis the whole time

OH NO. yeah fuck that timeline elsie. ooh THAT timeline fucks though

ooh so does that one! mara with stasis yes please

OH POUKA IS AN EMOTIONAL SUPPORT DARKNESS FISH, VERY COOL

the image of elsie breaking out of stasis prison shouting SCIENCE is pretty good, not gonna lie, but for a second i thought it was gonna be ALLAHU AQBAR and that’s also pretty fuckin good

man i knew the brays were all fucked up but “i didn’t in hundreds of years think of just loving my sister (eta: WHO SPENT TWO LIFETIMES DESPERATELY SEARCHING FOR WHAT IT MEANS TO BELONG. IF YOU DIDN’T NOTICE.) like a normal goddamn person until i was threatened with death over my need for total control” is a pretty big L, elsie

[hyakunana]

We missed you, Spider

[haldenlith]

Spinfoil rambling

Not really spoilers, but I do talk about trailer stuff so... eh?

After the most recent trailer, and looking at all of the hints (in my opinion), I feel like there is a strong case to be made that the "old friend" she's speaking to, the one she's "chased for so long" is definitely The Traveler. They keep pushing the tagline "Take Back the Light," but I feel like it's a giant red herring in a way.

I think Savathun manages to chit-chat with The Traveler and convince it to give her The Light. I don't think she stole it at all. It'd fit perfectly with the narrative Bungie's going with of "The Light isn't always Good, The Darkness isn't always Evil -- it's all shades of gray." It'd also fit in with beginning to pivot to Lightfall (granted, we aren't going to know anything about that for at least another year). Lightfall makes it sound like something terrible is going to happen with The Light, and wouldn't it be perfect if the "terrible" is that The Traveler starts looking at other avenues in order to "win" versus The Darkness? Like giving The Light to other people, including our enemies?

It'd also be a nice parallel to a conversation that Ikora and Zavala had while playing a game of Go (it's in the little book that comes with the CE of Witch Queen). Zavala says the point is to play to win. Ikora says the point is to play to learn and explore your options. That would mean being okay with occasionally losing while you figure out different ways you can play the game, different strategies, different options, different exploits.

Who's to say The Traveler isn't going to start doing that, too? It's abandoned multiple civilizations in its wake of "losing" games while exploring the game. It's tried one different approach now (The Guardians) and found some modicum of progress and success, so why not start trying other things?

Also, I suspect whatever the new raid is inside The Pyramid, will possibly also start that thread that ultimately leads to Lightfall, because it's become increasingly obvious the raid doesn't end with Savathun. I honestly don't think we're even going to kill ol' Savvie. I get the feeling there's going to be complications, be it her bamboozling and escaping us (again), or something arising that keeps us from killing her.

Anyway, last thought, which is just a random thought on Lightfall: I think The Traveler is going to abandon us, but not in the "peace, I'm leaving the system" way. I think it's going to abandon us in the "you guys have been great, but these guys over here are better" sense.

Wouldn't it be a real kicker if we have to leave Savathun alive, for some reason or another, and The Traveler abandons us for her?

Let's be real: we don't have a lot of evidence The Traveler actually cares about us and isn't just acting out of its own self-interest. We could just be "The Experimental Flavor of the Month" to the damn thing. It does seem to like to pop up, experiment with and terraform places, and mess with civilizations, only to peace out when it gets too spicy, clearly deeming the experiment a "failure." It could very well be the only reason it didn't leave us was that it was "injured" during The Collapse, and made a good pass at "playing dead" so The Darkness would leave.

Just saying: The Traveler might not be as benevolent as we think it is. Rather, it may just be passive and not as antagonistic as The Darkness.

[telestoapologist]

brb on my way to get girldicked down by caiatl