#lesbophobia //

[bumblingbee1]

As an acespec person myself, you're just doubling down.

My main post was to talk about a lesbian-specific experience, hence my caption. I have yet to see gay men and bi people try to inject themselves into a LESBIAN post the way you have.

Also, what the fuck does the 4B movement have to do with any of this? When I say that lesbianism as an identity excludes men, it's just a fact. Nothing to do with any separatist movements. Some asexuals are (romantically) attracted to men, and others are not. This is also a fact. Lesbians are not attracted to men in any way, period. Again, this is me saying this as someone on the ace spectrum.

An important part of being in community is to understand that we're not this giant melting pot. Believing otherwise would ignore the issues recognized by intersectionality. If acknowledging differences between different LGBT+ identities makes me a gatekeeper, then so be it.

Every day I feel more and more grateful for being a lesbian

[lesbian-ashe]

pisses me off how lesbians don't get to have authority on lesbianism. can't decide what it does and doesn't mean, can't decide what is and isn't lesbophobia. can't even have your own spaces without being called a terf no matter how inclusive you are to trans women. or even if you are a trans lesbian. everyone gets to dictate lesbianism except lesbians, and they don't have to listen to us either

[linuxbian]

There these seemingly contradictory societal double binds that are used to enforce conformity.

Example: A Lesbian is told that "everyone is actually bi" while a bisexual woman is told to "pick a side". Seems contradictory but really they just want us to be straight lmao.

Another one: A woman who does not perform womanhood to society's standard is not a real woman vs. You can never change the gender you were born with. One is butchphobic/anti gnc women, the other is transphobic. Clearly both enforce transmisogyny.

The insidious thing is that these double binds also foster inter community division. Its easy to hear one side of these, for example: "everyone is a little bi" and assume that means bisexuality is more accepted. But on the other side bisexual people are getting the same shit.

None of these are contradictory when you realize that bigots simply don't want lgbtq+ to exist at all.

[beefcake007]

I’m still mad about something that happened on tiktok last week and I want to do a post about it and explain an aspect of transphobia I’ve observed.

A cis user made a video asking that trans people share more banger music that they make, but clarified saying “by trans people, I mean trans women” because trans men only make that “sad ukulele” music. There was much discourse, he doubled down and said trans men couldn’t take a joke, other trans people threw the offended transmascs under the bus, or insisted that they can also make club music, yada yada.

I want to know if the queers who haven’t been queer as long as I have know that this exact drama was had with gays and lesbians. Do you know that some transphobia is repackaged homophobia and lesbophobia? I feel like that’s something we should be allowed to say and examine without someone shutting you down and insisting you’re conflating the gays and transes.

But yeah, for decades the joke has been that gay men are the fun flamboyant ones that make good art and dance music, and that lesbians are angry and dress ugly and make sad folk music. It’s pretty much an identical bias and resulting disrespectful jokes.

And it’s shit! I’m not going to let anyone, let alone a cis person, get away with transphobia just because it’s directed at trans men. It’s rude and harmful to devalue our art, and our art doesn’t need to be easily consumable to you. We’re allowed to be pissed and offended when you write us off, minimize the harm you’ve done, and exclude us from the conversation. It’s obvious when you only tolerate the queers who can serve you, and that you don’t actually care to listen or learn about our lives, struggles, and art.

[lezbi0nic]

Ngl the absolute aversion "leftists" have to talking about misogyny on here is something that I doubt we can ever recover from. The fear of confronting such a huge issue is often weakly explained away with "well the r*dfems might join in" and it's like ..okay now you're just leaving discussions of misogyny to be done exclusively by t*rfs. And transphobia has only gotten worse on this site. So. You're not helping anything or anyone.

[princessefemmelesbian]

Not to be rude but a lot of white lesbians on here will see an attractive white(and especially if they're skinny, conventionally attractive, cis, and feminine) woman and go "omg she's so pretty and gorgeous and elegant, gosh, why are women so beautiful! I want her to hold me and hug me and kiss me!" but the second you see an attractive non-white woman(especially if they are fat, trans, dark-skinned, or butch, but lbr y'all do this to femmes of color as well due to how masculinized we are), suddenly y'all's brains short-circuit and you don't know how to complement us without depriving us of our humanity because you still internalized the idea that woc are wild impure animals and so out comes the "omg I want her to step on me and choke me and slap me across the face and make me her slave!!!" and y'all think it's okay because you're making yourself "subservient" to us but really all you're doing is reinforcing harmful stereotypes of woc as more aggressive, sexual, violent, inhumane, and less feminine, sweet, loving, and/or gentle than white women, and you guys think it's a compliment but it's really fucking not and I'm here to tell you that being a lesbian doesn't invalidate your white privilege if you talk about and fetishize lesbian woc this way. 😡

[tiredyke]

[irlwakko]

I love all the dunking on James Somerton but I don’t think we’ve focused enough on all his lesbophobic rhetoric because the things he says are genuinely so astoundingly ahistorical and insensitive and it infuriates me that he was allowed to get away with it so long.

He literally said lesbians didn’t face police violence on the same scale as gay men when that’s just demonstrably untrue. Lesbians, ESPECIALLY butch, GNC, and trans lesbians, faced MASSIVE amounts of police violence AND STILL DO and if he gave a single shit about like. Women as people. Or even just LGBT history in general as he so proclaims to care about, he would know that. I’m going to start beating people to death with copies of Stone Butch Blues until they fucking listen

And I’d really love to know which fucking planet he lives on where lesbians apparently have all this great representation, and where we as lesbians are allowed to write our own stories, because I’m really not seeing that pretty much anywhere in mainstream media. I’m still seeing lesbians portrayed in stereotypical or fetishistic ways, and that’s when I see us portrayed at all. And yes cartoons are great and fine but there is so painfully little lesbian representation written by lesbians geared primarily towards adults.

But at this point, the wider community’s general lack of a reaction to lesbophobia in their ranks disappoints but doesn’t surprise me. It’s sad and somewhat astonishing that he’s escaped accountability for his lesbophobic comments up to this point, but again, not surprising. We need to stop letting our community, especially people like James Somerton who get held up as voices for the community, get away with lesbophobia.

[radicalavender]

oh my god. this tiktok, in which a lesbian is speaking up against “genital preference”, has 2.3k likes so far. and all of the comments are actually POSITIVE. nature is healing. lesbians are waking up. there is hope!!

heres some of the comments:

[lesbianerin]

yesterday there was a "dyke*-festival" in berlin and initially i wanted to go, but then i looked up their website and found out that straight males have access but god forbid you think that lesbians are homosexual (exclusively same-sex attracted) women (adult female humans).

this should tell you everything about the current state of the lesbian community. lesbophobic and male-centered.

[pandesouth]

Look at this activism. Look at what lesbianism is being reduced to. These hideous and filthy porn addicts want to convert lesbians into cock worshipping heterosexuals. Female homosexuality cannot exist under trans ideology. They will not allow it.

Protect female homosexuality. Protect lesbians.

[trans-androgyne]

Genuinely getting the feeling that people think it’s less hurtful to be called a dyke than to be called a faggot. And that it’s less violent to misgender a trans man/masc than to misgender a trans woman/fem. Feels like shit, I’m tired of butch and transmasc struggles being downplayed.

[worstdykeever]

not enough people are talking about the fact that a bunch of homophobic TRA 'activists' released thousands of LIVE CRICKETS at the LGB alliance meeting. these people were part of the 'trans kids deserve better' group that was lead by a trans identified man. however, the man decided to only have trans identified women release the crickets because he didn't want to get his hands dirty. the 'activists' were sent home and no charges were pressed. how is this not considered a homophobic hate crime ?

[dyke-on]

You can tell how much lesbians and trans men are ignored within the queer community when queerness is associated with pink and glitter. There's no room for us boring, dull, masculine queers, in fact we are traitors meanwhile straight women are "one of the girls"

[radsplain]

any male who identifies as a lesbian is a sick fucking weirdo and can literally drop dead for all i care. i have no tolerance for TIMs but the “transbians” especially. like literally go kill yourself

[tiredyke]

so many of y’all are too busy trying to define lesbianism as explicitly inclusive of men and making sure we’re nice and palatable to straight people and making people feel secure in the fact that anyone can still like men, even the dykes! that you straight up ignore or erase the very prominent part of lesbophobia that comes from us not liking men, and you talk over and ignore us whenever we talk about how isolating it is to not like men when everyone else around you does because it doesn’t fit your narrative that queer labels and identities are one-size-fits-all and the mere idea of lesbians existing shatters your ideal world where everyone has wiggle room in their sexuality. reinventing the “lesbians aren’t exclusive, there’s a man for everyone! they just need to find Mr Right” isn’t progressive just because you throw in a couple buzzwords that sound good and give people warm and fuzzies