#le Père Noël est une ordure
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Murs et éclairages typiques des appartements parisiens de la bourgeoisie des années 1950 à 1990. Les pièces sont pensées pour y vivre, non pour les donner à admirer.
Fonctionnalité > Mondanité.
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I wanna draw so much "le père noël est une ordure" but alas I have no time rn.
Christian Clavier is top tier in this movie. And the aesthetic.
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i'm genuinely not trying to start shit and i don't doubt people's experiences, but that post about "european christmas traditions are racist" is... baffling to me. i'm trying to think of examples i'd have seen or heard of personally here and nothing comes to mind??? my family is deeply catholic and racist and traditional so i THINK i would know 😭😭 in my experience it was mostly about singing carols about gruesome child murder and cannibalism and baking star-shaped cookies. the nativity sets ive seen were actually "diverse" (aka normal) in a Normal Way because of the three wise men (and melchior especially), ive never seen blackface in this context... like yeah i remember being annoyed about mary & joseph looking white as hell but it's Regular Church Racism more than a christmas tradition in itself (?)
#enfin oui le père Noël est une ordure c pas le film le plus woke de l'univers mais c'est pas une tradition dans ce sens là quoi#like i'm really not trying to start shit i'm genuinely curious! i'll delete if it turns out i'm the only person in this country not aware of#The Racist TraditionTM
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Very annoying that I have the snow miser song for whatever stuck in my head when I have never seen the movie and am not even sure what it’s name is. the year without a Santa Claus or something?
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41, 46, 50. For the ask game
i don't drink coffee it's yucky :(
well you know what this one got me thinking, i don't really have a movie that i specifically watch around christmas time. but last december i watched one for the first time, santa et cie, and even though i didn't go in with a lot of expectations it was really cute :) so i'll say that one
baby feel free to tag me wherever ❤️
#also i think i will get mauled by my frenchtuals if i don't at least mention our national cult classic#le père noël est une ordure. or santa claus is a stinker in english according to the wiki#most of the jokes really haven't aged well so ive only seen it once. but you can bet it's our home alone#asks
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I am trying to learn french on my own. Do you know any good tv shows or movies in French? (with subtitles or without) I like comedies :)
So, uh. I went maybe a little bit overboard. I just spent an hour on these recs. But the good news is the french films I watched are almost exclusively comedies, so you’ll only get that. (I’ll add here that if you want to chat with someone either in French or about any of these recs (or both) my DMs are wide open)
Films (exclusively French classics):
Louis de Funès : La Soupe aux Choux (personal favorite, I’ve watched it so many times), L’Aile ou la Cuisse, Rabbi Jacob, Le Grand Restaurant… (they’re all very good, I recommend you see the others, they’re mostly classics)
Les Nuls/Alain Chabat : La Cité de la Peur, Asterix et Obélix Mission Cleopatre (2002)… (these two are the most iconic)
Jean Dujardin : The Artist, OSS 117 (Le Caire, Nid d’espion (1) Rio ne répond plus (2). Apparently the 3rd one is a little less good)
Other : La Chèvre, Le Grand Blond avec une chaussure noire, le Père Noël est une ordure, le Dîner de Cons (and truly so many others)
Series:
Kaamelott (never saw it but I know it’s good)
Webseries, if you’re into this:
La Flander’s Company : follows the employees of a company leasing supervillains. 5 seasons, the first one doesn’t seem to add much but it’s important world building. And fun. About 10h total? Automatic subtitles and translation seem to be accurate
Noob : follows the Noob guild in the MMORPG Horizon. It’s exactly what you think it is, it’s gorgeous. 11 seasons, 22h. The progression in production is phenomenal
Le visiteur du futur : self explanatory. A good summary would be: « Regarde ces vidéos ! Sinon, voilà ce qui va se passer ! » 4 seasons, 1 film. I have not seen the film but I heard it’s good. Also much shorter than the others. And it has subtitles!
Questions cône : 2 seasons (should be under 10 hours), +1 that comes out haphazardly. I suggest you only watch the first 2 seasons. Not because the 3rd isn’t good but because it’s a completely new narrative arc and it’s far from being done.
I’ll explain this one a little because I just binged it (again) and I think it can be easy to abandon it because of a certain character (I love him but he begins with 0 redeeming quality) and the humor that can get at times super fucking weird and/or immature (but this what happens when you make videos in the 2010’s).
Anyway, now that I’ve talked about the cons, this series begins as filmmaking tutorials, basically. The story gets weaved into it, in part as an example for the concepts we learn. Let’s keep it spoiler free and just say that the concepts explored are super interesting, and the worldbuilding is imo done extremely well, as it works as a subversion of the "tutorial" genre (and generally of the 2010’s french youtube).
I think you should at least reach ep 13 before deciding whether to drop the series.
Tldr: I love it and I need people to talk about it with because I am going mad, but no pressure. If it’s not for you it’s not for you and it’s fully understandable.
Also, there are some videos in this playlist that do not strictly belong to the series (and even some that have 0 link, except the apparitions of some of the characters). You don’t have to watch them to fully appreciate whatever is going on, but it’s additional character interaction in a framework different from the series.
#asks#french recs#louis de funès#jean dujardin#les nuls#alain chabat#kaamelott#flander’s company#noob webserie#le visiteur du futur#questions cône
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Marie-Anne Chazel dans la pièce de théâtre Le père Noël est une ordure, créée en 1979 par la troupe du Splendid.
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You know how there is a tendency by the USA industries to copy famous British shows? The Office. Ghosts. Skins. Being Human. Shameless. Queer as Folk. Men Behaving Badly. All these shows have a UK vs US version. And everybody keeps talking about the differences and comparisons. It is such a well-known and documented phenomenon that Wikipedia has a FRIGGIN' LIST of American shows based on English ones (here it is if you want to check it out). They even tried to do an American Absolutely Fabulous! Can you believe that? There is an unpicked pilot out there for an American "AbFab" show! Crazy...
There is however a very similar phenomenon nobody talks about (probably because it does not involve English-speaking media, hence why people are less interested in this).
Turns out there is quite a handful of American movies "based" (cough cough) on French movies! Ranging from straight-up remakes to rip-offs "inspired by".
Recently, as I was looking at a video dissecting some American comedies that failed at the box-office, I discovered this movie:
"Dinner for Schmucks". Released in 2010. Just by looking at the movie's title and poster I already knew what it was about and could tell you all about it. No, not because I watched it - but because this is actually an American copy of one of the most famous French comedies of the 90s: "Le dîner de cons"
Jay Roach, "Dinner for Schmucks" director, denied any claim that his movie was a remake of the French one. He said it was merely "inspired" by Le dîner de cons. But it is pretty HEAVILY influenced if you ask me.
You must understand that Le dîner de cons is still to this day considered one of the great classics of French comedy. It was a movie adaptation of a theater play of the same name. The same guy did the theater play and the movie (Francis Veber), and the same guy played the titular "Schmuck" in both media: Jacques Villeret. Jacques Villeret whose role in Le dîner de cons stays his most memorable and iconic character to date. To tell you how big this movie was, when it was released in France it was the second most-watched movie of the year, right behind... Titanic.
So when you compare that to this American movie. An American movie that bombed and was deemed a failure. And when you take into account the fact none of the fans of the American movie seem to even know the existence of the French one, despite this being a movie EVERYBODY in France knows at least by name... Argh.
Now... this discovery did surprise me, but it did not surprise me THAT much. Because I was aware of something similar that had happened before.
I am a big fan of another great classic of French comedy. Le Père Noël est une ordure (Santa Claus is an asshole).
This 1982 movie (again, based on a previous theater play and reusing most of the same actors as on the stage version) is still considered to this day a classic in many ways. A classic of dark French comedy ; a classic of Christmas movies in France ; and one of the master-pieces of the comedy group Le Splendid, right behind their movies Les Bronzés. Just like with Un dîner de cons, most French people can recognize its visuals or quote you a line, even if they didn't actually see the movie. [If you ask me... I am much more of a fan of the stage play. The movie is the most famous of the two, but I saw the theater play first, and the two pieces differ mostly with their endings. The movie's ending is dark but happy/optimistic ; while the play's ending is hilarious grim and devastating. But that's mostly a question of tastes.]
Anyway, since I was a fan I bought the official companion book about the movie, and that's in there that I discovered the existence of 1994's Mixed Nuts.
An American comedy movie that was a re... Oh sorry, just like for "Dinner for Schmucks", the people behind this movie refused to say it was a "remake". They said it was merely "based on" the French movie. And just like "Dinner for Schmucks", it was a big failure.
I distinctively remember how the person who wrote for the French companion book was not kind AT ALL on this American movie. Notably they pointed out that one of the reason it failed in the USA, and nobody wanted to see it in France, was because it took this dark comedy about suicide and couple abuse and murder (it is still hilarious fun, trust me), and tried to turn it into a "politically correct" optimistic, all-family comedy a la "typical American comedy". Except the core story was designed to be about the dark side of Christmas, the hypocrisy of society (and of Christmas), and just a bunch of not-nice, not-good people getting stuck together on one Christmas night filled with blood, sex and despair (again, it is actually VERY FUN, I assure you). Something that was deemed not "palatable" enough for American audiences.
These two cases being brought up, I got curious and I went on Wikipedia to check if there were other American movies "inspired by", "remaking" or just "blatantly ripping-off" French movies. And I was NOT disappointed!
There's too many to list, but I will leave the most jarring, shocking or flabbergasting cases (at last for me, a French person) under the cut. I mean, I knew about the US vs UK tv shows battles, and I knew about the American remakes of J-Horror (The Grudge, The Ring), but I never thought they'd have done something similar with French cinema!
And you know what the worst thing is? Most of these American remakes were failures, right? And the French movies were much more successful and famous than them... Yet, most American people know only about their American movies, which failed, and don't know one piece of info about the French movies, despite them still being showed and talked to this day. This is honestly such a jarring cultural gap. [And also a confirmation that American movie industry would rather remake dozens and dozens of foreign movies rather than bother releasing them dubbed or subtitled. Crazy.] Hopefully things are changing a bit because today, due to how the Internet exists, the original French pieces are talked about much more. People know better the original Taxi movie or the Les Intouchables movie than their American remake... Still though...
Anyway here is the list of these cinematic crimes underneath the cut
2000's Under Suspicion. Created out of the classic French thriller Garde à vue, a greatly awarded movie that gathered two legends of French cinema, Lino Ventura and Michel Serrault (and which is Serrault's darkest role ever).
2017's The Upside. Created out of 2011's Intouchables, an international success of a comedy that notably turned small-career actor Omar Sy into one of the huge names of French cinema.
2004's Taxi. A failed remake attempting to cash on 1998's Taxi, the movie that started the immensely famous Taxi movie franchise.
1998's Pure Luck. Not many people know this movie is based on 1981's La Chèvre, one of the famous comedies of actor Pierre Richard. (And there's the... other guy. Better not talk of him for a while Xp)
2015's Martyrs. A remake of what is considered one of the most famous (and disturbing) French horror movies of the 2000s: 2008's Martyrs, one of the big names of the "New French Extremism". (Well it is Franco-Canadian... But still)
1991's Oscar. A remake of 1967's Oscar, one of the great comedies of the 60s featuring the comedy legend Louis de Funès.
1996's The Birdcage. Created out of 1978's La Cage aux Folles, the most iconic role of Michel Serrault (in the comedy genre) and a very influential piece of fiction when it comes to depictions of gay couples and drag queens in French cinema.
1988's And God Created Woman. An American remake of 1956's Et Dieu... créa la femme, aka the movie that turned Brigitte Bardot into an international star.
2021's CODA. An American remake of 2014's La Famille Bélier. I think it was the first big movie of Louane, and it was notoriously talked about for having a big representation of people with earing problems since it is about a talented singer born into a family of deaf people. (And it is not a comedy, it is a drama movie).
By all of the hells, even Some Like it Hot! Yes even Some Like it Hot was inspired by a French movie: 1935's Fanfare d'amour!
If you want to see more, just look at the Wikipedia category for "American remakes of French movies".
#cinema#foreign cinema#american movies#french movies#french cinema#american cinema#foreign remakes#american remakes#remakes#movies#french things#france#french culture
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Mixed Nuts (1994)
Remakes are rarely what they should be. In theory, what you should do is take a movie that’s either bad or almost but not quite there and try it again, taking the opportunity to fix the blemishes. In execution, we most often get something akin to "cloned with damaged DNA”. I haven’t seen Le père Noël est une ordure so I’m assuming Mixed Nuts is the latter because it shows promise and then builds to an ending so lame and lazy it sours the rest of the film.
In California, on Christmas Eve, Philip (Steve Martin) is the head of the suicide-prevention hotline “Lifesavers”. The organization is about to shut down thanks to the eviction notice from the landlord, Stanley (Garry Shandling). On what is sure to be Lifesavers’ last day, Philip and his co-workers Mrs. Blanche Munchnik (Madeline Kahn) & Catherine O’Shaughnessy (Rita Wilson) will have to deal with a trailer-trash couple, an annoying neighbor that loves to make up bad songs (Adam Sandler), a depressed transvestite (Liev Schreiber), angry rollerbladers (Parkey Posey and Jon Stewart) and the “Seaside Strangler”.
Directed by Nora Ephron (which she co-wrote with her sister, Delia), a fair number of jokes land - particularly if you’ve got an off-kilter sense of humor. All of the characters are so neurotic that a normal, everyday scenario would end up with tears, outrage and a gun being fired. On Christmas Eve, at a suicide-prevention hotline, in a building whose elevator is out of commission and whose tenants are all being evicted, with a serial killer on the loose, the question is how big of a mess this will become and how the weirdos will fit together. Despite all this, I swear Mixed Nuts isn’t as ridiculous as it initially sounds.
I probably shouldn’t have enjoyed the film as much as I did and I must confess that thinking back, I can only think of a few times it made me laugh. The most noteworthy element of the film is Liev Schreiber in his film debut. His character is over-the-top like there’s no tomorrow but the performance is surprisingly sensitive when the jokes simmer down. Also enjoyable are key interactions between Catherine and her callers. She’s so empathetic towards them it’s a wonder she can do her job. While this raises some questions about how the operation could’ve possibly worked and requires you to find the humor in suicidal thoughts, it just might be bizarre enough to make you smile.
The ridiculous feels-like-they’re-improptu-but-they-actually-aren’t songs courtesy of Adam Sandler’s character (who speaks in the same annoying childlike voice he chooses when he isn’t playing a fantasy version of himself), the various neuroses and escalation lunacy manage to rack up enough points for you to like the film. You're having a good time, wondering why people are so down on Mixed Nuts. Then, we get to the final act. The conclusion doesn’t come out of nowhere but that's only because someone went back once the script was finished and added hints of what was coming retroactively. It starts by making you cringe, then keeps getting worse until you’re sitting there, wondering “Did I somehow convince myself I was having fun earlier, or was the whole movie like what I'm seeing now?”.
There are a lot of big names in Mixed Nuts and they should’ve added up to a Yuletide comedy for the ages. It doesn’t live up to its potential. In fact, I’m now in the position of trying to defend a movie that I’m not even sure I enjoyed that much in hindsight. I thought of concluding this review with "Mixed Nuts is a mixed bag" but I'm filled with such doubt about the end results that I'm not sure I can even muster that statement. (December 20, 2021)
#Mixed Nuts#movies#films#movie reviews#film reviews#Nora Ephron#Delia Ephron#Steve Martin#Madeline Kahn#Robert Klein#Anthony LaPaglia#Juliette Lewis#Rob Reiner#Adam Sandler#1994 movies#1994 films#holiday movies#christmas movies
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Marie-Anne Chazel dans la pièce de théâtre Le père Noël est une ordure, créée en 1979 par la troupe du Splendid.
”– Eh, M’sieur Pierre ? Y’a un monsieur très malpoli qu’a téléphoné, il voulait enculer Thérèse ! – Oui mais c’est un ami – Ah ben ça va alors !”
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Paris aux approches de Noël à l'époque, il y a longtemps, combien c'était beau. Les porches, les entrées éclairées, les hautes fenêtres avec leur rideaux là-haut, la branche qui dépasse d'un sapin décoré, les moulures aperçues d'un plafond illuminé. Je regardais tout cela enfant depuis en bas, depuis la rue. Et en arrière-plan le soir était la pénombre des parcs avec leurs feuillages balancés au vent derrière les grilles en fer. Émergeant ça et là, les gens, les familles surtout, une chose rare aujourd'hui, les gens étaient en famille. Des pères à l'allure fringante, de jeunes mères avec chacune plusieurs enfants, très rangés, très élégants, très heureux. Un monde comme mon monde, chez mes grands-parents. Le monde comme un prolongement tranquille de mon monde. Le décor des logements bourgeois dans des films comme Les Visiteurs, Opération Corned-Beef, Le père Noël est une ordure, étaient tous semblables au logement principal et secondaire de mes grands-parents, ainsi la vie future serait une tranquille continuité entre la vie privée et la vie publique, et la France remise à l'endroit par ces visites chez ces Anciens aurait forcément raison bientôt de la montée des "voyous" comme on les appelait alors. J'avais une famille. Un havre de paix gratuit quelque part, un refuge avec une place à mon nom, une base. Quand j'ai compris avec le temps que c'était ma seule famille, vu mes origines, alors que tous mes amis en avaient deux, cette base est devenue alors un idéal à reconstruire pour la vie adulte future.
La fête que c'était, Paris, enfant, avant Noël. La foule variée des restaurants, des cafés, tout cela inondé de lumière qui devait ne jamais s'éteindre. Il y avait la vie quelque part, cela existait, il suffisait de le savoir pour s'en retourner rassuré dans sa banlieue éteinte affronter la montée des "voyous", épreuve temporaire qui finirait bientôt, car les méchants finissent au bagne disait Le Bouillon. Paris, les grands magasins. Le Printemps. Les Galeries Lafayette. Le métro avec ses publicités immenses pour La Samaritaine. Le Trocadéro. Les églises. Les gares pleines de voyageurs avec des skis. Et partout où l'on allait dans la ville les sapins ceinturés de girandoles, constellés de lumières dans les entrées d'immeuble, dans les halls de palace, dans les magasins, partout, comme une symphonie unanime dans le pays où chacun joue sa partition privée spontanément, partout. Les avenues bordées d'immeubles en pierre, illuminés du dedans, peuplés de familles françaises qui attendaient Noël comme nous. Les guirlandes électriques dans les rues. Les publicités pour les spectacles, les salles de spectacle avec leurs portes en or qui donnaient 3 représentations par jour d'un Molière ou d'un Feydeau, bondées de foule française heureuse, pendant ces jours qui précédent Noël, pendant la montée progressive vers cette réjouissance, 19 Décembre, puis l'entrée dans les chiffre des vingtaines, le 20, le 21, de mieux en mieux le 22, le 23, puis le 24 et le parachevèment du 25, point final et point d'orgue de l'année. Les libraires, les bistrots, les brasseries avec leurs étalages d'écailler mirifique, les pancartes "arrivage d'escargots", les teinturiers derrière leurs comptoirs assiégés, les écoles encore encore occupées, les salons de coiffure pleins de dames, les marchands de gravure et leur air compassé, les détaillants en spiritueux. Partout la vie. Et chez nous, se retrouver à 20 convives, accomplir les préparatifs, réserver les huîtres, cuisiner des plats, allumer des lumières partout dans un appartement spacieux où chaque pièce devenait habitée, ici pour s'habiller, ici pour emballer en secret des paquets, là pour parler affaires, chacun à sa place. 1995. 1990. 1988, et avant. Larmes fréquentes rien que d'y penser. Cette lugubre, hideuse impression de fin de tout aujourd'hui, dans l'indifférence dépeuplée, cynique, impie, technologique. Tout cela beaucoup trop violent, beaucoup trop méchant quand on est seul, quand on est loin, quand le train qui vous dit "complet" part sans vous et qu'on s'essouffle à le rattraper. Parti au vent le parc Monceau, et le Ranelagh, le manège en bois, la boulangerie, le marchand de caddies à motifs écossais en bas de la rue. Cette ville grise à l'extérieur et si chaude, si lumineuse, si proprette dès que l'on entrait quelque part. Auteuil, l'arrêt "Jasmin" sur la ligne du 9, la légende, la ligne qui mène aux Champs-Elysées et au virage Boulogne, à la bourgeoisie et au combat. Et le musée de la marine, et l'aile Denon au Louvre d'où l'on revenait plein d'histoires à raconter, le théâtre de Chaillot, et Guimet, et les petits cinémas du 16ème qui donnaient Maman j'ai raté l'avion en 1990. Et les vieux appareils électriques oranges, notamment le presse-agrume, le couteau électrique qui fait des fines tranches de rôti, le hachoir à jambon, la yaourtière. Et la noble charité filiale, légère, facile, dégagée, qui nimbait tout cela dans un ordre qui avait toujours été, qui serait toujours, grâce auquel nous n'aurions jamais à nous inquiéter de rien.
Et aujourd'hui... À six heures du matin rugit le hurlement des poids-lourds qui redémarrent au feu rouge (visages effondrés des routiers moldaves à la proue de 20 tonnes de béton sur métal qu'ils ont conduit toute la nuit). Les embouteillages, les rues défoncées, les palais noircis qui s'enfoncent dans la boue du sol détrempé. Plus de jobs. Plus de prolétariat. Plus rien. Recommencer à "gagner sa vie" là-dedans seul, abandonné en rase campagne. Sueurs froides et halètement. Réminiscences de Houellebecq, Soral, de ces lectures de 2000-2010, de phrases comme "la société où vous vivez à pour but de vous détruire", ou "ils ont été emasculé par la violence du système", ou encore "vous étudiants, êtes voués à un monde de mensonge, de saloperie et de violence". Dire que cela nous semblait exagéré à l'époque... Tout est contre nous et personne ne fait rien. Et puis un pays noir. Des rues noires sous un temps noir. Population rare, verdâtre, visages froncés, bouches mal fermées, dents avides. Société excrémentielle. Pluie noire sur les dos voûtés, lavés à l'eau sale, qui rentrent par des cages d'escalier aveugles dans des bâtiments opaques aux vitres fumées d'où ne sort ni lumière ni branche de sapin, ni familles rangées. À côté de cela, les "consultants" badge au cou dans leur voiture payée par la prétendue union, prétendument européenne, et les "double paye sans enfant". Il n'y en a plus que pour les sournois suceurs. Un tel degré de saloperie, une entreprise aussi monstrueuse, devrait se payer par vingt Sinn Fenn par jour, méthodiques, fanatiques de justice en faveur des pauvres.
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Mardi 26 décembre 2023
Il n’y a pas que le Père Noël qui soit une ordure
La liste des ordures tant en France que de par le monde est impressionnante et exponentielle. Le terme d’ordures est très insuffisant pour nombre d’entre eux. Pour ceux-là, conviendrait mieux le terme de barbares inhumains (oxymore) qui devraient être éliminés
Certes ce n’est pas dans la tradition humaniste, chrétienne qui nous rappelle au moment des fêtes de Noël notre devoir de fraternité et d’amour du prochain.
Doit-on pour autant, et surtout a-t-on la capacité d’aimer ceux qui veulent nous tuer, nous décapiter, nous violer, nous terroriser ?
Georges Bernanos a écrit de très belles pages sur ce thème.
Joyeux Noël.
François BAUDILLON
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hiii auguste i already said merry christmas on messages but i didn't have enough whimsy i think... so merry christmas!!! ☃️☃️☃️☃️ hope it was excellent hope you enjoyed the new doctor who with ncuti gatwa and the beatles :)) oh we didn't watch le père noël est une ordure!! remember when we watched the narnia movies that was crazy... sorry they're just on my mind. to watching more movies together in 2024!
hellloooooo tee and merry vhristmas to you too again!!!!! it was great and i didn"t get to see the beatles doctor who yet but i'm so excited for it it's crazy <33 we didn't but tbh idk if we would have liked it after peeking at the letterboxd reviews lol... and i miss watching narnia with you so bad we had so much fun..... hope we get to do it a hundred more times in 2024 as well
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Le Père Noël est une ordure, directed by Jean-Marie Poiré
Destinée, Guy Marchand
#le père noel est une ordure#jean-marie poiré#le splendid#vladimir cosma#guy marchand#destinée#soundtrack#Youtube
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Hey! 46 for the ask game please!
I'm assuming it's for the weirder ask one, please let me know if I got the wrong one! So:
46. favorite holiday film?
Hmm... Do I even have one? I'm not a big fan of holiday movies as a genre, to be honest. Neither the real ones (too cheesy for my tastes), nor in an ironic way (Die Hard isn't my favorite genre either).
Oh wait, French movies do count, so I guess I'll go with the French classic Le Père Noël Est Une Ordure (Santa Claus is a Stinker) *grins* Now that's my kind of holiday movie LOL
Funnily enough, what I sort of consider holiday movies are Charlie Chaplin and Laurel & Hardy old films, because when I was a kid, the TV channel Arte would often show them over the Christmas holidays in France. I've discovered a lot of them that way, and I'm still a big fan of the three of them.
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