#laurens lee duel

[amor-bycandlelight]

The Laurens-Lee duel but Laurens is blond and has to draw on his eyebrows every morning.

[my-deer-friend]

Duel day (or close enough).

[riri-loves-cats]

GUYS so I was watching Hamilton the other day, and I noticed this really cool detail:

In Lauren’s duel with Lee, Burr is Lee’s second as we all know

and later, in Burr’s duel with Hamilton, The guy who was playing Lee is now playing William P Vanness (Burr’s 2nd)

I js thought that was a really cool detail

[hamiltrash-thoughts]

"Most disputes die and no one shoots"? Hah, more like "Most people die when the other person shoots"

[5arcasmw]

the more i learn about the american revolution the more hamilton: the musical infuriates me

(read tags for context pls i go off on a mega tangent)

[dragoninahumancostume]

85 things I love in Hamilton:

When a line of a song repeats on another song but slightly different or the exact same in a slightly different context or the exact same with the same context ("Look around look around" by Eliza vs by Alex, "I'm helpless" in Helpless vs Non-stop vs Say no to this)

The way it sounds like Lin is spitting on the P's in "My time's uP, wise uP, eyes uP"

How everyone agrees that Lafayette let his hair loose after Yorktown and that if he put it on a ponytail again Hamilton would react the same way Doofenschmirtz does with Perry and his hat

Everyone seems to agree Laurens should go running to be with Angelica, Eliza and Maria when they sing "Me? I loved him"

Daveed Diggs

The historical inaccuracy making songs even better (example: "How the sausage gets made" sung in 1790's when sausages were brought in the 1800's. Philip dying before the election of 1800 and in July when he actually died in November of 1801. Burr being Charles' second.)

Being able to tell which song is which even when they start off the same (alexander hamilton, guns and ships and winter's ball) by slight differences

"Can we agree that duels are dumb and immature?" *sends a letter wanting to duel* "All he had to do was die. We ought give it a try." *kills Alex*

"I was chosen for the constitutional convention! :D"

Aaron's voice and expressions

"Wheeeee!" -Charles Lee

Animatics vs The actual musical (example: the king dancing in the animatic, him standing with a death stare in the musical)

Hamilton being happy he finally has friends

The dance in My Shot

Lafayette and Hercules dancing

Hercules showing off his pants

Lafayette flexing his muscles

John Laurens screaming passionately in the "shout it from the rooftops" part

Angelica's voice and expressions

John looking like he's checking Ham out

The difference between the musical and the studio recording, specifically the pauses that for me sound like they're trying to regain some breath to continue singing

Hercules as the flower girl

The foreshadowing (?) ("I may not live to see our glory" *dies*/ *doesn't count to ten in French* *dies because his opponent didn't count to ten*)

Peggy getting distracted by John in Schuyler Sisters

"my dog speaks more eloquently than thee"

"You don't have the votes ha-ha-ha"

Ham stopping his dance and fixing his jacket when Philip enters in Helpless

King George literally spitting in You'll be back

*Philip dies, Ham is mourning* "Can we get back to politics 🙄. Who you gon' vote for?"

When they're waiting for their turn on the song (Ham behind the king before Right Hand Man. John and Laf on the stairs behind Washington in "Your excellency, sir")

Washington's voice

The backup dancers they're literally so good

Ham: making a plan. Hercules: BRAH

Ham pushing Laf away so he could talk with Angelica

HAMILTON WROTE THE OTHER 51

[queenpiranhadon]

⚠️HAMILTON THEORY⚠️

So, so, SO

Y'all know and love the musical Hamilton, right? Well I do. And idk if this theory is *entirely* original, so my apologies if it isn't. BUT:

Angelica and Elizabeth Schuyler, both have iconic songs which highlight their feelings for our controversial bastard orphan Alexander. Eliza uses the phrase "Helpless" throughout the song frequently (it's also the name lol), and Angelica uses "Satisfied" (ALSO the name of the song).

BUT, stay with me, the two eldest Schuyler sisters aren't the only ones who uses these phrases.

In Say No to This, Maria Reynolds says "I'm helpless", almost like a nod to Eliza's song.

Whereas in Meet me Inside, John Laurens says "I'm satisfied" after his duel with Charles Lee. Now, while this may be a coincidence, as it's fitting that it rhymes with "shot him in the side" (referring to Lee's current condition), it's still something to consider.

My thought is this:

The characters in Hamilton that quote or say the word 'Helpless' in their respective songs, are those who openly showed affection and expressed their love to Alexander Hamilton. Those being Eliza Hamilton, his wife, and Maria Reynolds, the one whom he had a "torrid affair" with, as that became public later on.

But, the characters who had used the term 'Satisfied' were the ones who never broadcasted their love, only really admired him from afar or never spoke about their relationship. And who were those, you may ask? None other than John Laurens, Hamilton's close friend who many shippers are speculating an affair between the two, as well as Angelica Schuyler, who talked about her repressed feelings in her spotlight song.

Reblog if you love Hamilton ;)

[glittering-under-the-glass]

An interesting detail I noticed on my 9363783 rewatch of Hamilton

In “Yorktown”, when the british surrender, Laurens goes to Charles Lee and helps him up from the ground, and they even stay a little together, Laurens’ hand on Lee’s shoulder. Lee holds his side like if it’s still hurting after the duel.

Idk if it’s important or not, but it’s fun to think about the implications

[on-partiality]

Happy Laurens-Lee duel day!

Duel day yayayay! Here's a very basic explanation of the duel!

The duel between Major General Charles Lee and Lieutenant Colonel John Laurens on the afternoon of the 23rd of December came about because of Charles Lee's brutal mockery and vilification of George Washington's character, a man whom Laurens admired and was an aide-de-camp of (a trusted one too because he was part of George Washington's military family, a group of his closest aides), and he wanted to defend his beloved general's honour.

Charles Lee, at this point, was widely hated by the men of the Continental Army. This opinion of him didn't always exist, though in fact, for years he was seen as a rather honourable man, and he helped in multiple battles and wars around the world. However, his experience made him very arrogant and snobbish. He believed that he was just as great as George Washington and could be an awesome commander-in-chief, which was fine until later in the revolutionary war, when he'd helped in so many battles of the war and he'd become a rather popular man respected by most Americans. He began to dislike Washington more and more, and he was getting louder about it, even though the Americans didn't truly hate him. The American loathing of him started during the Battle of Monmouth. Lee was meant to command the Americans to do a frontal assault on the British, but instead he issued a premature retreat, which caused Washington and him to have a fiery argument on the battlefield, causing 109 men to die, 161 men to be wounded, and 130 men to go missing. Lee was tried at court for multiple charges relating to this incident and was found guilty of all charges in 1780, but before 1780, he slandered Washington persistently, even after the battle, making many of his aide-de-camp's blood boil, and John Laurens challenged him to a duel out of pure rage to defend Washington's honour. Lee accepted the challenge.

Charles Lee chose Major Evan Edwards to be his second, as Edwards had been a good aide-de-camp of his in 1777, and John Laurens chose Alexander Hamilton, a fellow aide-de-camp of Washington and very intimate partner of Laurens. The duel was meant to happen at 3:00 pm in 'a wood situated near the four-mile stone on the Point No Point Road' just outside of Philadelphia; however, Laurens and Hamilton were 30 minutes late for unknown reasons. At the duelling place, the two parties agreed on how they'd proceed with the duel. Before the duel, they'd already decided that they'd use pistols, and Lee suggested that they advance upon each other and fire at whatever distance and time they individually found proper. Laurens agreed with this proposal. After about five steps towards each other, the two men shot. Laurens got ready to shoot Lee again, but Lee declared himself wounded (wimp). Laurens being the kind of man he was, he rushed towards Lee to help him because, typically, if someone were to declare themselves wounded, that meant that they were very severely or even fatally injured. Hamilton and Edwards rushed to Lee's side too, only to learn that the bullet barely got him on his right side. Lee wanted to shoot a second time. Laurens very passionately agreed to this, but the two men's seconds opposed the suggestion. Then the two duelists agreed that they would be fine with following along with whatever their seconds sensibly suggested, and after the seconds discussed for a while more, they still both believed that it really would be best if the whole ordeal were to end there. They told the duelists the conclusion they reached, and they walked back to town together, conversing with each other and trying to make peace with their initial problems with each other, which they eventually reached (somewhat, not really), and the next day Alexander Hamilton and Evan Edwards wrote up this recount of the duel:

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-01-02-0687

It's good and I highly recommend it to anyone wanting to learn more about this duel because it's a primary source and you gotta love primary sources.

[chemdisaster]

@whumpthemusical prompt 18 - hamilton - duelling

in which john loses the laurens-lee duel

the last thing i see

This wasn't supposed to happen. John was supposed to shoot first. John was supposed to win.

Alexander leans forward, balancing his entire weight on the hands pressing down on John's abdomen. Blood seeps in between his fingers, sticky, warm and moist; he shifts, pressing harder, trying his best to ignore John's whimpers, trying to ignore the fact that he can't remember the last time John let on that he was in pain.

"Laurens—" his voice breaks. "Jack, please."

[schnitzelsemmerl]

whats ur opinion on uwu turtle boy laurens and 'if theres a hole theres a goal' hamilton???

also idk i hope this doesnt come off the wrong way but ur really cool!!!!

THE WAY I WENT FERAL WHEN I SAW THIS ASK <3333 💗💗💗💗🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈 TYTYYYY ANON!!!!!! IT DIDNT COME OFF THE WRONG WAY,, IM FLATTEREDDDDD :3

now.

ohhhh boy. oh boy there's a lot i wanna say about how i don't like uwu boy laurens lmao. tbh i feel like this is very...mischcharactized? like, you are telling me that this man who is a abolitionist and is things like brave and loyal (the lee-laurens duel), is seen as like a uwu boy? idk that much about him as a historical figure, but he doesn't even seem like the fandom makes him to be, in the musical. that man probably sets houses on fire in his free time. i'd be scared of him /lh. and cmon, he drew a picture of turtles one time? i think he ate turtle as soup once. i assume people only think he's "soft" bc he shows admiration and yk as feelings. so uhhh my opinion on uwu boy turtle laurens is quite negative :3

onto ham! personally, i think the memes that make hamilton seem like "if there's a hole there's a goal" are very funny. but if somebody actually thinks he was like that? ehhhh....no. in my opinion, yes, he cheated on eliza. and (historically) people think he was in a emotional affair with angelica, i think. however, the angelica-hamilton thing was mostly them playfully "flirting" as friends. and yes, before eliza, there was laurens but in his time with eliza, i do think he loved her. and uhhh then the reynolds pamphlet which i can't explain, since i don't know enough to have a honest opinion on :'3 sorry

in conclusion: "if theres a hole there's a goal" hamilton and uwu turtle laurens is like washing those 2 complex characters down to their core

thank you for the ask!! i had a lot of fun answering it. also, if i said something wrong, please tell me!

[kittykatkatelol]

during the 10 duel commandments did anyone else look at Laurens and Lee get super close together and then just think "they are so enemies to lovers core they just look like they are so gay for each other and have hate sex"

my brain is dead no one can help me anymore

what the fuck is wrong with my brain 😭😭

[crazy-shits-post]

Why The Duel Really Happened (Historical Lams fanfic)

Hey guys, long time no see. Just a historical fanfic, please don't take it as facts. T/W?: angst, mention of death, and illness.

"You don't need to do this! You ought to step away!"

"I must! I could write down a million reasons why this damn duel must happen!"

Alexander grabbed his shoulder, spinning him around. "Then give me a reason!"

"Because he almost took you away from me, Godamnit!"

----

"Boys." Washington called them all to the office late into the night. They all knew something had happened. He held a Betsey Ross flag. They all stared, silently hoping it wasn't who they thought it was.

"Laurens, please step forward." His voice was low. The tall man dragged himself to the general. He passed the flag to him, his hands trembling. "Hamilton-" his voice broke, and so did everyone else. "-I'm so sorry."

His mind blacked out. It went to a terrible place, the same place he was when his mother died. He felt tears as his lip quivered. This couldn't be happening.

"Hello, family."

The entire room gasped. There was the walking dead man. He was soaking wet, shaking like a leaf, bruised and cut, bloody, but alive. They rushed to fuss over him, picking him up and striping him of his wet clothes. He was put on Laurens' lap, who was sobbing so hard he could barely breathe, and was wrapped in a towel.

"I don't understand!" Washington looked at Hamilton, only his face being visible. "General Lee wrote to us stating your departure!"

His teeth were dancing in his mouth. "S-sir, that-that bastard le-left me!"

"Explain immediately."

He told them all of his abandonment. Lee had mistaken him for dead and left without as much as a second glance to make sure. For hours, he had to carry his hurt and sore body to the base. He didn't show it, but if you looked close enough, you could see the tears in his tired eyes.

It was then the first hot slap of hatred hit Laurens.

-

"Jackie...? Are thy-"

"Yes, I'm here."

Not only did Charles Lee abandon them all at the battle, but he nearly killed his beloved again. He was stuck fighting in the summer heat, his poor body already weak from what happened in the river. It didn't help that his horse fell on him. He was overheated, nearly having heat stroke before someone saved him.

"I apologize for what the bastard did." John was sitting next to him, stroking his sweaty hair.

"'Tis but a scratch.'" He laughed as his own joke, coughing in his fist after the laughter made his chest heavy.

"I despise Lee. Washington ought to get rid of him." He laid down, hugging the other's body close to him.

The sick one smiled at him. "We can only hope."

-

The biggest slap came later that night. Hamilton's fever spiked, causing him to hallucinate. He was pointing to random objects and telling what seemed to be a man that they weren't his. John couldn't get through to him, even when he shook him.

He walked out after bringing the shorter to the nurse for the night. He sat by the pond, stretching his greasy hair.

"I wish Lee dead." He muttered, rubbing his thin mustache. "Oh-" his voice was breaking into a sob. "-how I wish you dead."

----

"So it's not about Washington?" Alexander asked as John had his face in his hands.

He sighed and looked up. "For someone as bright as yourself, you never fail to amuse me in such ways."

He walked over closely to embrace him. It was a long one with a few kisses.

"Get done with this." The shorter informed him while they were getting back on their horses. "Then you'll be rewarded."

----

The duel was successful, very successful. Lee was shot, Laurens was fine, and everything would begin to fall into place.

"You see? All that worry for nothing." They rode in a field, racing each other.

With his curls in his face, he laughed. "Oh hush, you!"

They locked lips only for a moment. "Now, what's my reward?" Alexander looked down, grinning. It didn't take a genius to figure it out. "Oh, I see. I suppose we take this to the tent, no?"

With another laugh, the redhead's horse raced there, leaving John in the dust. With the same excitement, the other's horse followed, wind blowing his hair back. Sunlight shined on him. He felt lighter. Things would be better if Lee was dead, but he did all he could. He'll get his comeuppance soon.

[my-deer-friend]

In Yorktown Burr is walks across the stage when they talk about escorting British out of Yorktown. Did Burr actually helped with it even though he left the army years prior?

Nope, Burr had nothing to do with Yorktown (or even the continental army) in 1781. He had resigned his command, and was in New York finishing up his legal studies.

The musical shifts its characters around in space and time for narrative purposes, and sometimes historical events are reworked, combined or altered to make a story point more clearly. Which is fine! It's not a documentary.

Act 1 shows how intertwined Hamilton and Burr's lives and fates are - always moving in parallel, always generating friction - so it makes sense to show them together on stage in lots of contexts. (Burr also wasn't Charles Lee's second in the duel with Laurens, but again there's a strong narrative reason put Burr into conflict with Hamilton here.)

Also, from a practical staging perspective, filling the scene with all of the established military characters creates a sense of dynamism and shows that cooperation is what made the victory possible.

[theolddivorcedzukka]

Tell me more facts about John Laurens please. You have to put up with my long ass posts about autistic ghost summoners from Jupiter so you can tell me as much as you like about Your Special Guy

!!!!!! okay sooooo

john laurens was blond. that is so important to remember cause he, like all blond men, dies a hamster death

he didn't like his dad at all omg. henry laurens was one of the biggest plantation and therefore slave owners in south carolina and laurens was a slavery abolitionist so of course he hated his guts. plus his father was always like "omg master jack could have the prettiest girl placed in front of him and he wouldn't even look her way" and john liked men sooooo. also it is said that his father might have known that he was gay and tried to erase all evidence of that by burning his letters between hamiton so that's why we have few to no letters from laurens to hamilton to look at

also nearly everyone called him jack!!!

he was a super cunt and it was such a shock when he let anyone into his inner circle cause he was such a cunttttt omg but he was very loyal and intimate with the people he did allow into his life and that's why the hamilton letters are so huge as well

did u know that he once insulted king louis to his face and he still got a loan from france and military supplies? coolest guy ever

he also drew a lot!! he loved drawing birds and he was actually really good at it

he was actually the most aggressive out of the combo of him and hamilton which is so surprising. when he dueled lee and injured him, he wanted to keep going and hamilton and lee's second had to convince them out of it before they killed each other

he called hamilton "my dear boy".......he never referred to anyone else this way

he had an ex called francis kinloch who sucked so bad cause he was a royalist and he laughed at john's ideas against slavery so john broke it off right then and there in the most passive-aggressive letter I've ever seen (he didn't address him by his name at the beginning of the letter, roasted him to death, and then closed it off with a simple "adieu")

close to this time, he got a woman named martha manning pregnant and married her to preserve her honor. his daughter was named frances which is weird considering his ex was francis so like.....who calls their kid by their ex's name jfc???

alexander allegedly found out about john's wife and daughter after reading a letter addressed to him and this was a year and a half after knowing him. oops?

HE FUCKED THAT GINGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he was also held hostage by the british during alexander's wedding and alexander invited him for a threesome with eliza. btw

if you don't believe my last statement, he said "I wish you were at liberty to transgress the bounds of Pensylvania. I would invite you after the fall to Albany to be witness to the final consummation. My Mistress is a good girl, and already loves you because I have told her you are a clever fellow and my friend; but mind, she loves you a l’americaine not a la françoise" WHAT DO YOU MEAAAAAAN

hmm idk what else i can share but did u know that he was so fucking depressed like he was really depressed

[dragoninahumancostume]

I'm bored so

All years referenced in Hamilton:

(directly from the songs)

1776, Aaron Burr, Sir

1780, Winter's Ball

1781, Yorktown (The World Turned Upside-Down)

1785, I Know Him

1789, What'd I Miss

1791, We Know

1800, The Election of 1800

(by event/lyric, assuming Alexander was born in 1757, in order of events. This might be a bit confusing so feel free to ask clarification)

1754, I was given my first command I led my men straight into a massacre

1766, when he was ten his father split

1768, his mother went quick

1768-1835, Philip Jeremiah Schuyler (Angelica's brother, son of Philip Schuyler. Philip had like 15 children apparently, including the sisters and Philip)

1769, the cousin committed suicide

1769, as a kid in the Caribbean I wished for a war ("I wish there was a war", letter to Edward Stevens)

1771, they placed him in charge of a trading charter

1772, a hurricane destroyed Hamilton's town

1772, ship is in the harbor now see if you can spot him

1773, I am Hercules Mulligan

1773, your tea which you hurl in the sea (Boston Tea Party)

1775, Farmer Refuted

1775, yo let's steal their cannons

1775, I was a captain under general Montgomery until he caught a bullet in the neck in Quebec

1776, British Admiral Howe's got 32000 troops in New York harbor

1776, he promotes Charles Lee makes him second-in-command

1777, I need someone like you to lighten the load (Alex becomes Washington's right hand man)

1777, I'm John Laurens in the place to be

1777, je m'apelle Lafayette

1778, Theodosia meets Burr

1778, Battle of Monmouth

1778, duel between Laurens and Lee

1779, Laurens i like you a lot (letter from Alex to John, "I wish, my dear Laurens, it might be in my power, by actions rather than words, to convince you that I love you")

1780, give it up for the maid of honor (Alexander and Eliza's wedding)

1781, Hamilton leaves Washington (due to his lack of command)

1781, we fought with him

1782, Philip's birth

1782, me I died for him

1783, Theodosia's birth

1785, I am sailing off to London

1787, at the constitutional convention, goes and proposes his own form of government

(October-August) 1787-1788, write a series of essays titled The Federalist Papers

1789, Hamilton runs the state department

1789-1792, life without the monarchy

1790, Cabinet Battle #1

1791, Burr becomes senator

1791, Hamilton meets Ms. Reynolds

1793, Cabinet Battle #2

1793, Thomas Jefferson resings

1797, Washington's presidency ends

1797-1801, Adams' administration

1797, The Reynolds Pamphlets

1799, George Washington's death

1800, the first murder trial of our brand new nation (Levi Weeks' trial)

(March) 1801, death of Peggy Schuyler

(July) 1801, George Eacker's 4th of July speech

(23th November) 1801, George and Philip's duel

(24th November) 1801, Philip's death

1804, Alexander Hamilton's death

1810, You're making me mad (King George III actually goes mad)

1820, I'll love you til my dying days (King George dies)

I tried my best to get most of the dates, but tell me if I missed any! :)