#kylo wants him to win

[tomatette]

[lightsiided]

❝ you’re really not very good at this; i saw you coming a mile off. ❞ { from soft!ren, scenario up to you }

* american gods starters | accepting

     the corner of her mouth quirks upwards despite her best efforts to remain SERIOUS. this is a serious moment, after all -- or at least, it should be. still, she can’t help but to be mildly playful when she counters, “shows what you know. i wasn’t AIMING for stealth.”

it’d be a fruitless endeavor. they both knew how the other thought too well to maintain the element of surprise. yet after all this time, it seemed he was still as bad at READING her as ever, if he genuinely thought she was trying to stage some sort of ambush. 

that was the last thing she wanted.

rey’s chin tilts up so her eyes can lock firmly onto his. she holds his gaze unwaveringly. “i came to talk to you.” that was all, though she knew it didn’t MATTER how sincere her intentions were -- things always seemed to devolve beyond her control, and maybe even beyond his, too. 

“don’t you think it’s time we had a conversation?” her hands plant on her hips, her eyebrows lifting in question, “without distractions?”

@kylo-wrecked​

[houserautha]

As a Kylo Ren stan I whole heartedly agree with this

I love these unhinged boys

Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen

Its the kylo ren effect all over again

[jessequinnfirstofhername]

The Only Important Rule To Remember:

When there are only two characters remaining, they will face off against one another in a week-long poll to determine the victor.

Bye-bye Benny! You brought the drama, you brought the chaos! I want to give a big shout-out to the passionate and lovely Kylo Ren fans who campaigned so hard for their boy. You got him to bronze, and with how divisive Ben/Kylo is as a character, that's really impressive.

Now... without further ado...

This.

Is.

It.

It all comes down to a simple decision. A choice between two men, both of whom gave their lives to bring down The Empire.

Will the winner be Obi-Wan Kenobi?

Or will it be Cassian Andor?

Cast your votes for the last time to decide, once and for all... who is the hottest Star Wars man of all time?

...oh, but remember, this is all just for fun! So don't take it too seriously ;)

Happy voting, and may the hottest man win!

[harryforvogue]

happy may the fourth LMFAOAOAOOAOAOAOAOAO sorry this is more than a month late and sorry for the horrendously rushed sex scene. i am bad at smut now <3 2.1k

***

Harry looks down at the notecards, his dinner abandoned besides his hands. He flips through a few of the cards while Yasmine slurps obnoxiously on her pasta to get him to scowl at her, but he’s too captivated by his extreme nerd behavior. Honestly, it’s embarrassing for him.

He finally settles on a card and clears his throat. “What is the name of Leia and Han’s child?”

“Oh,” Yasmine mumbles as she swallows. “Um, the hot guy.”

Harry gives her a weird look. “He’s not hot, but sure.”

“I mean, from a certain angle,” she says. “I don’t need to explain the appeal of Adam Driver to you, nerd.”

“Er, okay. What’s his name?”

“Kyle.”

Harry stares at her for a second before he puts the note cards down and scrubs his face with his hands. “No, his name is not Kyle!”

“I know it’s not! It’s Kylo. But I always think it’s Kyle so my brain goes to Kylo next because I know everyone has weird ass names in Star Wars.”

“Don’t say Kyle next time! That’ll be a deduction!”

“Stop yelling at me!”

“I can tell you didn’t study my notes!”

“Your nerd notes? Yeah I didn't! I had better things to do!”

Harry pulls his hands away from his now red face. “Like what?”

“Like making the dinner you’ve not even thanked me for!” Yasmine snaps.

Harry blinks. He glances at his dinner and then murmurs an apology, abandoning his cards behind to eat his food. “Thank you.”

“Shut up.”

He sighs and continues eating. 

Yasmine only stays mad for two minutes. Then, she’s talking. “My costume came in yesterday by the way. Are we still doing the secret thing?”

“Yeah,” Harry says. “And don’t feel stupid about dressing up, alright? Think of it as Halloween.”

“Nerd Halloween,” Yasmine mutters.

Harry looks like he’s about to pop a blood vessel. “You’ve called me a nerd three times already.” He takes a deep breath. “Which outfit of Padme’s did you pick?”

“Padme? I’m going as Chewbacca.”

“Hilarious.” 

Harry stands up with his plate and walks over to the other side of the table, sitting beside her. 

Yasmine looks at him. “Why did you move?”

“To be closer to you?”

“Oh.”

Harry throws an arm over her shoulder. “Am I not romantic enough? Yasmine, I swear you act like I’ve never touched you by the way you act sometimes.”

She scoots her chair closer to him. “Untrue.”

He raises his hand to gently caress her cheek. Yasmine turns her head to bite his finger.

“See?” Harry sighs, prying his finger away. “Be normal.”

“I can’t be. I have a nerd boyfriend who likes to touch me too much.” Yasmine brightens. “And you’ll touch me a lot more when you see my dress for tomorrow.”

Harry’s wiping his finger. “Which one did you pick? The one from Attack of the Clones?”

“Um.”

“The second movie.”

“Er.”

“The white one.” Harry drops his head to the table, groaning. “Oh we’re never going to win tomorrow.”

“You should just take one of your other nerd friends, Harry. I know you want that Lego Star Command–”

Harry groans louder. “Star Destroyer.”

“--whatever. I know you want it so maybe you should take someone else.”

He turns his head to glance at her. He takes a deep breath and then sits up, letting the color drain from his face. “No. It’ll be fun.”

“You’re going to yell at me.”

“Lovingly.”

“I’ll bite your head off.”

“Lovingly?” Harry asks weakly.

“No.”

“Anyways. Is it the white dress?”

“The one that’s ripped around the stomach? No.”

Harry looks very interested then. He slides closer. “The black one?”

“No.”

“The blue one?”

“Yes. Which one are you thinking of?”

“The one that looks like a nightgown.”

“No,” Yasmine says thoughtfully. “Maybe I should have done that. Mine is the other one.”

“Yasmine, Padme wear blue a lot.”

“Do you want to see it?”

Harry pauses. Yasmine can tell that he’s going through all the outfits Padme has ever worn that are blue. He comes to the same conclusion as she did days ago when looking for an outfit: the blue ones are the sexy ones. 

His eyes narrow. “Show me yours if I show you mine?”

“Deal.”

Harry stands first. He takes their empty dinner plates to the kitchen and then goes to their room to bring out the two packages of outfits. He tosses Yasmine hers and then proceeds to bring her to the livingroom to open them together.

They decided early on they’d wear a couple costume: Anakin and Padme.

(Yasmine secretly hoped Harry would wear the whole Darth Vader suit with the helmet, but that’s something to unpack at a later time.)

Harry pulls out the Anakin costume, holding it to his body. “Hope it fits.”

Yasmine imagines him in it, the pants sticking wonderfully to his thighs, his hand grasping a large lightsaber. 

“Go put it on.”

Harry raises an eyebrow. “You put yours on too.”

“Fine.”

“Fine.”

They stare at each other before Yasmine grabs her outfit and goes to the bathroom.

When she returns, Harry’s changed into his as well, swinging around a red lightsaber expertly.

“Oh,” Yasmine says, stopping in her tracks.

“Fuck,” Harry says at the same time.

The outfit fits him so well. As expected, the pants are tight around his upper thighs, but Harry’s just gifted in that department, so it’s normal. Still. He looks mouthwateringly…well, hot.

He’s got sort of a wild look in his eye at the sight of her. With narrowed eyes, he walks backwards until he sits on the couch, holding his hand out.

Yasmine shuffles close, unused to the dress. It’s a bit too long on her.

“Wow.”

Yasmine takes his hand. His fingers trail up to her wrist.

It’s too quiet in here. 

His other hand raises.

He runs his fingers over her bare stomach. The top is just short enough to land by her sternum, leaving a few pairs of ribs exposed. She shivers at his touch and when she goes to move away instinctively, he grabs her wrist.

Yasmine fidgets under his gaze. “I hate when you do that.”

“Do what?” Harry murmurs.

“Look at me.”

“You hate it when I look at you?”

“Yes.”

Harry tightens his hand on Yasmine’s wrist. “Get used to it.” Then he yanks her closer. Pulls her into his lap. “You are beautiful. I could stare at you all day long.”

“It’s just the dress.”

He laughs, just inches away from her skin. Fire erupts in her stomach. “No. Definitely not just the dress.”

Yasmine shudders as Harry leans in to kiss her neck. Her fingers tremble when she clutches his hair, staring up at the ceiling. Pleasure runs through her, landing between her legs.

She loves when Harry gets like this: so desperate to have her close, hands grabbing without a care of how rough he’s being. All he knows is that he wants her body attached to his. And it’s incredibly enticing how he shows it. He tilts his head back so that she can reach his lips. Her fingers plunge into the soft wilds of his messy, shoulder length hair. He hums and kisses her back, hard.

The dark color looks so good on him. He’s long known that black and brown look especially good on him (and Yasmine reminds him of this often to ensure he’s continuing to fill his closet with those colors). Seeing him in this outfit…Yasmine supposes she’s the nerd as well now.

She hardly cares.

With a soft maneuver, she presses herself against his growing bulge. Harry groans softly, detaching his mouth from hers. She grasps his hair tighter. His lips trail down to her neck again where he buries his face and grabs her waist. No matter how many times he makes that noise, it always sends her on a downward spiral.

“Harry,” she whispers, rocking herself against him now. His fingers grip her waist.

“Yes, baby?”

And his voice! His breathy, desperate voice.

“I wanna do something.”

“Yeah, let’s go upstairs.”

But the mere thought of going upstairs – the mere thought of parting from Harry long enough to make it there – threatens to disrupt whatever they have going on. So Yasmine slides away from Harry, but before he can stand, she sits before him on her knees.

Harry freezes.

Yasmine reaches for the sole button on his trousers.

“Oh,” Harry says. “Fuck.”

Yasmine touches her wrists in hopes of finding a hair tie there, but when she finds none, she frowns deeply up at him. Harry shakes his head and carefully pulls her hair up into a makeshift ponytail, making sure all her curtain bangs are out of her face. “I’ve got it, Yas.”

“Thanks,” she whispers, though she feels silly afterwards.

“Yeah.”

Harry lifts his hips long enough for Yasmine to get him out of the trousers. She scoots closer so that she can get his boxer briefs off as well. Harry’s hold on her hair tightens. She reaches out to wrap her fingers around him, giving him a long stroke.

“Fuck,” Harry murmurs. It’s music to Yasmine’s ears. She strokes him again, bringing him to full hardness. There’s a soft flush on Harry’s neck and face, and his thighs are tense. Oh how she loves his thighs.

She loves them enough that before she wraps her mouth around him, she bends down to kiss his thighs. 

She glances up at him as she does, enjoying the small twist of his lips when he looks back down at her. Now, she doesn’t mind his gaze. Because despite the implications, Harry is most certainly not in charge right now. She is.

After biting down on his thigh – just to hear his sharp hiss – Yasmine opens her mouth and takes him in.

His thighs tighten even more. 

Yasmine presses her tongue against him. Harry’s fingers grip her hair when she sucks gently at his tip. 

“Fuck,” Harry whispers, tilting his head back. “Fuck me.”

Yasmine’s stomach flutters. She watches him, enjoying the rise of his chest, the strain of his neck with the beautiful vein protruding every so often. Harry’s head turns to look down at her suddenly, hips rising just barely to meet her mouth.

He gives her a look.

She nods.

He blows air from his mouth and gently thrusts into her mouth, careful and soft despite the firm grip on her hair.

“If I’d known,” he murmurs, “that you’d get like this, I’d have tried the outfit on even sooner.”

Yasmine gasps softly as she pulls off of him. “It’s not only the outfit.”

He laughs, wiping the corner of her lips, which should be damn well embarrassing or weird, but neither of them seem to care. She wraps her mouth around him again, cutting off his laughter with a groan.

After a few moments, her dress begins to slip from her shoulders. Harry’s eyes catch the movement right away and his hips stutter. She’d make a joke but there are more concerning matters presently. Having been with him for a long time, Yasmine knows exactly what he likes: how she should use her tongue, her hands, her eyes that blink up at him all pretty.

“So pretty,” Harry mumbles, on cue. She feels him run his thumb over her cheek as if there’s something to be endeared about right now.

Just before he’s about to come, Harry pulls on her hair and gets her to pull off so he could bend down and kiss her mouth, and then let her tug on him.

“Not on the dress please,” Yasmine says, voice shot.

“I’ll try, baby.”

He manages quite well actually, especially with Yasmine’s effort to move out of the way, letting him spill over her hand instead. His desperate whimpers keep Yasmine’s eyes glued to him.

“Alright, that’s enough,” Harry protests softly when her hand keeps moving over him. “That’s enough.”

Grinning, Yasmine fixes her dress and grabs a few tissues from the coffee table to wipe her hand.

“Maybe instead of going to the trivia night, we can do more of this tomorrow.”

“Mm,” Harry hums, still catching his breath. “Not a chance.”

“Oh come on. This is so much more fun!”

He tucks himself back in and holds his hand out, making her climb into his lap. “No.”

“You’re such a –”

“Nerd?” He laughs, grabbing the back of her neck. “I am.” And then he kisses her slowly, clearly having no issue with what they’ve just done. “Thank you.”

Yasmine hopes her face accurately portrays the glare she thinks she’s putting on. Harry’s eyes are soft and filled with love – but that’s entirely unhelpful because they always are. 

“Just don’t break up with me when I say that Han Solo is Luke’s father.”

Harry holds her tighter. “I’ll try not to.” Then he grabs her waist, pulling her to him. He stands easily, keeping her balanced on him, her legs tight about his torso. “Come on. I’ve got a favor to repay. And the dress stays on, understood?”

Yasmine shivers, despite herself. "Understood."

[dimosar]

Sheev's Plan:

get elected to senate for naboo

start new sith order

work republic and separatists against each other. recruit evil guy to lead separatists.

(this jedi kid is wicked strong!)

get jedi in deep with clone army. (save some clone jars for later? just in case...)

PIVOT: Make the jedi kid evil. dont need separatist guy anymore. got a new evil guy.

make my evil guy kill his jedi pals when they come to arrest me. ill finish em off with my lightning attack

(fucking guy used his sword to bounce my lightning back at me! honestly my fault. takes a minute for the lightning to wind down and he got my ass on the bounce. fair play. now i look like a leather couch but its fine. can blame jedi for THAT too)

Use the clones to kill the jedi, have my evil guy kill the seperatists, keep the army, spin into empire

GALAXY NOW UNDER MY CONTROL

chill as emperor for a while. humiliate Vader for a laugh. make death star.

Endgame achieved.

(Vader's kid blows up my death star)

PIVOT: get new young apprentice by turning him evil once he kills his dad, or maybe make Vader cooler by making him kill his gay son. either way its a win-win for me.

(thrown down hole and killed.)

PIVOT: good thing i kept those clone jars!! make new clone body to inhabit. takes time to get right. need something to do until then

build enormous fleet of big spaceships, each with their own super death star laser. keep em on the down low... why use em? they lose half the value as soon as you fly them off the lot

(clone son runs away but its no biggie. its fine. have loads of clones at this point. whats one clone son?)

create a DECOY fascist empire. put one of my weirder clones in charge. Not giving them any of my ships though. can build his own shit. dont look at me. get a bank loan

let failed clone recruit vaders grandson (will explain why later)

LET those guys take over the galaxy with a different super death star. assume they built this one themselves. very cute!

GALAXY NOW UNDER MY CONTROL (only via proxy tho. not done yet)

let(??) vaders grandson ("ben"?? ok) usurp failed clone and rule galaxy. wants to “kill the past” but whatever. can still make this work. NEED to keep this kid in the mix (will make sense when we get there)

drop the big news. Im not dead! Fortnite. awesome moment.

lead kylo ren to my base using complex scavenger hunt. puzzle knife.

tell him he’s always actually worked for me. big reveal. big moment. He's my lackey now. a little traitorous and unreliable, but this will pay off later trust me

use death star ships to take over galaxy even more

GALAXY NOW UNDER MY CONTROL (awesome... but not enough. something missing)

let kylo ren lead clone granddaughter to home base using complex scavenger hunt (?)

taunt her into killing me so i can possess her un-janked body.

Endgame achieved. (??)

(kylo ren betrays me)

PIVOT: Possession stupid plan anyway. Instead, use ben and reys Horny Essence to make my nasty old body normal again…might as well pimp my robes out a bit while im at it...i deserve a treat

throw ben in hole (grandson purpose revealed)

destroy resistance with lightning powers. shooting spaceships down with magic lightning basically a solved problem at this point.

GALAXY NOW UNDER MY CONTROL

kill the granddaughter actually. dont need her anymore. lightning powers classic for a reason. ive got this thing in the bag as long as she doesn't bounce the lightning back at me off her fucking laser sword

Endgame achieved.

[minamorsart]

Heyy , I love your fanfictions , so beautifully written especially the ones about Lotor and Allura , which brings me to my question , do you think that if Lotor survived , he would make his way to Allura to win back her heart 💖 (AWESOME ART BTW💯🤗🙌)

Firstly, hello!!! Thank you for taking the time to write me an ask, these always make my day! Secondly, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! Not only for your kind words, but also taking the time to read my fanfictions and look at my art??! 😭😭 I'm so honored!!! 😖🙏💖

In regards to your question, short answer: YES ABSOLUTELY! I can't help it, it's the romantic in me 😆 And below the cut I'd like to get into the why!

Also lookit that height difference, so cute~~

One of the most compelling things about Lotor's character is how ambitious he is. Not only is it a desirable trait in a potential partner, especially from Allura's perspective ;) but it makes his behavior and choices that much more interesting to watch. Although it's hard to say exactly what his endgame was in the show, particularly when it comes to the Altean colonies (we're supposed to believe he was using them as batteries, but to what end??! something still don't add up), there are some things that can be explained, both from actual given information from the show and personal conjectures I've made for myself ^^

Let's start with him becoming emperor. I personally like to believe that he actively wanted the throne. His relationship with other Galra overall is unfortunately not good at all, which you can see in his interactions with other Galra such as Throk and Sendak. But once he is given the opportunity, Lotor puts everything into becoming emperor and making the Galra Empire his. His appearance at the Kral Zera comes as a shock to everyone, and his demanding and domineering regard towards them all is awesome to watch. Plus it's his right! He is the prince after all, so I just love the idea of him coming into his own, demonstrating his birthright and his capabilities, and taking what's rightfully his.

Also what a power move it was to finally make Lotor the emperor in this version of Voltron??! The only other iteration I've seen is DotU, so it is possible that in the other shows and comics he also became emperor, but it's just SO satisfying to watch in VLD this banished, pariah prince quickly become ruler of the most powerful empire in the universe! You love to see it.

After he becomes emperor he takes his title seriously and uses it to acquire one of the things he wants, which is gaining access to the Rift with Allura's help and providing unlimited quintessence for all of the Galra. I'm sure there is more that he wanted to do with it, but again, some things don't add up and we sadly don't have all of the information, so I'm afraid we can only guess from here! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But in the meantime he doesn't take his role as emperor lightly. In his big speech in season 6 he is harsh, demanding, and even threatening. And I am all about it!!!

Don't get me wrong, while I absolutely love kind, soft, and romantic Lotor, I also dearly love cold, devious, and even malicious Lotor as well. You see this a lot with complicated male characters in epic stories: Kylo Ren and Qimir from Star Wars, Paul Atreides from Dune, Michael Corleone from The Godfather, and Sauron from The Rings of Power! What exactly I find so compelling about these kinds of characters can be summed up perfectly in this quote from Dune:

"...the Duke is really two men. One of them I love very much. He's charming, witty, considerate... tender—everything a woman could desire. But the other man is... cold, callous, demanding, selfish—as harsh and cruel as a winter wind."

- Dune by Frank Herbert, page 104

Lotor's unwielding ambition I think at times can give him tunnel vision, as we can see at the start of season 6 when Lotor wanted Allura to stay and help him with getting quintessence (again, using his resources and title as emperor to pursue what he wants) before Allura reminded him of his duties to his people in the moment. So he can be reasoned with lol!

And so! The reason why I bring all of this up, why I love thinking about the many sides of Lotor and how differently he acts with certain people, the many masks he will wear depending on what he wants, is to invite you to consider how he views his relationship with Allura. His growing feelings for her I'd say are more internalized until the last two episodes of season 5, but until then I like to think that it was never in his plans to get close to her. He wanted to team up with Voltron, yes, but he never could have anticipated falling for the Altean princess ;) What started out as a reluctant alliance and a simple means to accomplish his own end soon blossomed into genuine respect and love.

I have my own ideas as to how I would want Lotor to survive and redeem himself, just as I am certain you and all of us Lotura fans have our own ideas! And they are 1000% valid!!! At its foundation, if Lotor was to live and prove that he can be trusted again, I absolutely believe that he would do everything he could to make things right with Allura. Again, he is ambitious! Once he's decided on something, he will not stop until he's succeeded. If one plan doesn't work he forms a new one. He never gives up. He definitely respects Allura's agency, so of course he would never push her into a relationship with him (looking at you Lance ¬_¬) but I do sincerely believe Lotor would persist in terms of proving to her and the others that he can be trusted as an ally again.

And now we get into Allura's opinion in all of this!! What would she think were Lotor to survive and come back into her life again? And well, I have a really long answer for that too lol! We already see in the series finale how she came to understand Lotor's perspective. We also could see in seasons 5 and 6 how much she really liked him and how head over heels she was for him. Like how adorable was that?? Our girl deserves to be that much in love ;_; After Sincline's return and Lotor appearing in Allura's room in season 8, it is clear that she was still torn up about him, and that she still had feelings for him.

This tweet sums up basically all of my favorite ships:

Of course in this context I mean this as a joke lol, but there's truth to it! Because at the end of the day, no one is going to understand Allura like Lotor understands her. Even Coran, who comes from the same planet and circumstances as she, would frequently express his doubts about her decisions. His heart is in the right place, and they have a very sweet father-daughter-type relationship and he just wants to protect her. But he just doesn't get her the way Lotor gets her. Nowadays when I think about the difference between how Coran treats Allura and how Lotor treats Allura, I think of this quote from The Acolyte showrunner:

“'Do you want to be a part of this thing that I'm a part of?' Most fathers do this with their sons and their daughters, but when fathers do it to daughters, it's tricky, in my opinion. When an equal, like The Stranger, like a partner, says, 'I've experienced something, and I think you would benefit from it. I have a similar history to you, and in adulthood, I would lay it at your feet as a possible tool kit for you to pick up and forge your life with, unlike something that's instilled in you the way that your father instilled a lot of your hopes and dreams in you.'”

- Lesyle Headland, interview with Collider

Though this quote is very specific to Osha's different relationships with Sol and Qimir, I think it applies to Allura, Coran, and Lotor too! Like all parents with their children, Coran has this idea in his head as to what is best for Allura. And I love the man with my whole heart, but it's clear that he would rather keep her safe than let her grow.

Lotor, on the other hand, wants to see Allura grow and thrive. He not only wants to see her reach her full potential, but he also sincerely views her as an equal. They also have so much more in common than they do with literally any other character in the show. He alone can see her power, her potential, her greatness. In turn, he wants to share with her his experiences, his ambitions, as well as his desires. And she is drawn to him in part because of them!

So I genuinely believe that, given enough time, they would both be able to reconcile, to heal the wounds left behind by their hurtful words and their parting, and resume their relationship which had only just begun. Because despite all of the pain they went through and all of the things they said to each other, some of which I'm sure they didn't mean in the moment, they still cared for each other. After all, Allura was the only one who didn't want to leave Lotor behind in the Rift! Between the two of them, the feelings were still there. They never left <3

As more time passes after the show's finale I find more and more things to appreciate about both of Lotor and Allura's characters. Your question has enabled me to dive deep into these new appreciations, so I sincerely thank you for that! They are my number #1 ship of all time, and I am always happy to go on suuuuper long tangents about them 😆 And if you disagree with anything I said, that's okay too! In the end I do hope you were able to get something out of it, and thank you once again for asking! Have a wonderful rest of your day!!! 💖💜

[piglet26]

Reylo Scenes: TROS Part 2

After a failed attempt at killing Rey and Rey slashing Ren's fighter. He's relieved he didn't kill her. She's relieved she didn't kill him. He emerges looking fucking glorious while Rey tried to stop a ship from flying off cause she thinks Chewie is on board. What the hell are they doing putting a mask on him at this point?!

In the novel from Kylo's perspective, "But his impulse to kill Key had almost ruined everything he had been planning..... but his deepest desire, the thing he wanted most (Rey) would require planning and patience."

"It didn't matter what or who was inside that transport that made desperate to prevent it's escape, he was not going to let her have it. He reached out, felt the massive machinery in his mind, yanked it towards himself."

What's interesting in this scene is Kylo Ren is pushing her and Rey ultimately pulls from anger to best him and keep chewing. That's what always been interesting about Rey is she's the Jedi, but often times she fights with anger, fear and aggression. In the novelization it's revealed that over the course of that year she's been hearing voices. It looks pretty and it's a good shot, but I kept thinking didn't we already see this? Force wise... they're pretty even. While it doesn't hit as hard as the tug-o-war in the TLJ it does serve a purpose. Rey is a Palpatine after all.

In the movie, as per usual, this next bit doesn't make any sense. Ren seems stunned and just let's Rey, Finn and Poe run off. In the novel it makes more sense.

"Kylo Ren watched the freighter rise into the sky, Rey inside it. She had beaten him again (she thought she killed her friend not really a win but you're emo) and yet, he was filled with triumph. He'd been right to push her. She had just demonstrated unbelievable, mind blowing power. Dark power. Sith Power. The scavenger was almost ready to turn. And when she did, they would both kill their light, embrace their darkness, then the star destroyer fleet and the Sith throne would be theirs."

Kylo Ren is a Reylo and is trying to make power couple goals happen and we have to appreciate that.

This is concept art from "The Rise of Skywalker" notice how their costumes mirror each other.

The chemistry between Rey and Kylo is electric whenever they share the same space, so much so that sometimes it feels like we, the audience, are intruding on a private moment between the two.

On board Ochi's ship Rey confesses she has sex dreams about Kylo Ren. Let's be honest they both do and she confesses she's had visions of her and Kylo Ren on top the Sith throne.

Next scene is them in Kijimi. Ren is looking for his future Queen who is trying to find the sithway finder or whatever. Arriving in his pretty cool ship.

In the novel per Zorii, "As the black clad man approached the squads officer snap to attention, "Supreme leader".... the man standing below with his gang od butchers was Kylo Ren himself.....The supreme leader said his voice was tight and calm, but Zorii got the feeling he was barely containing his rage. He looked around almost as if he were sniffing the air. "We have a perimeter around the city." The lieutenant began, but Kylo Ren cut him off, "We're too late, the scavenger is gone." Zorri goes onto describe Kylo Ren having a moment whipping his lightsaber out and going beast mode.

In the movie through the force it's implied that that's how Rey knows Chewie is onboard Ren's destroyer, but in the novel it's different. He interrogated Chewie forcefully (wink wink ha ha ha) to get information on Rey. Rey was able to link mind with Kylo Ren and that's how she knew Chewie was onboard. They should've shown them linking minds more.

Then Rey was in his room, or excuse me, private quarters. Anyone else surprised his room was so white and pretty, if no impersonal. Where's his bed? I saw it in the first movie I think.

"Rey. Wherever you are, you are hard to find."

I'm wondering if at this point that can connect to one another more voluntarily. Rey is always swinging first. Like always. This scene can only really be described as exposition scenes, but there is a nice aspect to it. It's nice to see what they see from one another's viewpoint when they force bond. They just see each other. The dyad is increasing in power, not only can they now touch through the force, they can fight and their spaces even blend. They were together and yet separate. Kylo Ren also seems to be very excited his girl is in quarters and wants to lock down that ship.

In their next scene, again, Kylo tells her the plot of The Rise of Skywalker while wearing that damn mask. I have questions when did Kylo Ren find out they were a dyad?! Why were denied this scene? Obviously they instinctually know they are connected, they just never knew the word to put to it, but were is the exact scene? The thing about Kylo Ren is he uses information to twist it like a knife. He's going to use the truth that they are Dyad, that she is a Palpatine and ultimately the attraction she feels for him to seduce her to the dark side. From Rey's perspective, "He extended his black gloved hand to her, she looked at it, remembered. The last time he extended a hand had been in the wreckage of Snoke's throne room. Their combined power had defeated him. It was true. That together they could do such incredible things. Suddenly, she sensed a weight at her back and along with it... Finn. His presence a bright beacon of light piercing the dark." Ren pulling some MJ Smooth Criminal moves there.

After Rey flees with her crew, in the novel it's gives Kylo Ren's reaction. Her surveys the damage left from The Falcon's engine wash. "Kylo considered it a small price to pay to encounter Rey again. To provoke her into a rage. To say the word Dyad and watch the truth of it wash over her lovely face......he hardly paid attention, he kept seeing her face. The way her lips had parted with surprise. The way her body had canted (leaned) toward him. If the Millennial falcon hadn't appeared she might have come to him. Taken his hand. Kylo really hated that ship.... he'd been so very close, but now she knew the truth. She would accept it."

Yeah, they're horny. It's the first time Kylo described her in such detail and really let us as the reader or audience know..... he wants power, but he wants Rey more. If Ren had the world in his hand it wouldn't mean as much without Rey. This is the first scene in the movie where Rey acknowledges how much she wants to be with him. Interesting, Finn again is really her solid base on the good side of the force.

Side note: Dark Rey is hot.

The lightsaber fight onboard the death star wreckage. I've heard criticism that this fight while beautiful is pointless. I disagree. It's actually a scene that pushes them forward. Rey said, "give it to me" and Ren giving this shudder like he just came in his pants. hmmhmm! Ren likes feral, passionate Rey. He's pushing her and pushing her when she's already at the edge. Interesting enough, Ben can take whatever Rey has to give. All the anger and the fury she's had to hide from everyone else she can express to him. The fight is really about their likeness and yet difference, their passion, how Rey has grown in her lightsaber fighting and fixing the end of The Force Awakens. Ren is fighting at full force capacity, he's not injured and he's not emotional.

The way he is in love

“He sent the thought directly into her mind: I know you. No one does, she shot back. But I do.” WHY WASN'T THIS IN THE MOVIE?!

They fight until Rey is exhausted and when it looks like Kylo Ren might strike the killing blow, Leia reaches out through the force before she passes. In a fit of rage Rey stabs Kylo Ren, but snaps out of it when she feels Leia's passing. She begins to heal the wound she created.

How did she heal? Oh, you know those books she had in the beginning of the movie? Those book were the sacred Jedi text from Acht-to. She smuggled them onboard the falcon. So they never were actually set fire. Turns out Yoda that they actually were useful.

Rey showing him compassion, healing him, believing in him almost doggedly is so empowering for Ben Solo to return. His parents might be gone, but he still has someone to return home to. This movie has flawed writing but sometimes almost accidentally that land on something that works. The line where she admits she wanted to take his hand is a great line. It's declaration of love for Ben, not a rejection of Kylo Ren. It's her saying, "I didn't reject you. I wanted the best version of you"

After the unconditional love offered by both parents and the selfless, sacrificial love offered by Rey...... Kylo Ren becomes Ben Solo again. We just don't see him for the next 20 minutes as Rey processes her identity crisis and then goes off to fight to Palpatine..... without a plan.

There's also something purely adolescent about Reylo. Even in TLJ, these two throw themselves into one another. Like Rey having a vision of their future together so she goes alone to an enemy ship based purely on belief in him. Now we have Ben Solo, in a moment of pure adolescent "I gotta get to my girl" just needs to be with her on exegol as she faces down Palpatine.

From Adam Driver, "and the thing that we started with for "Who is Ben, then? There's no ambiguity about what it is that he has to do. There's no more seesaw that's happening. For the first time, someone who has never had the answer now finally knows his purpose or destiny. But I don't know that he entirely is sure of what's going to happen from there, nor do I think he cares. I think it's so long as he is with her, he's on the right path. " Adam driver is a Reylo.

Ben solo is back and he's glorious. He's likeable, charismatic, he's funny and he shoots backwards like his dad. People appreciated Adam Driver in an all new way with these scenes. He doesn't say a word except "oh, but you know he's shifted from Kylo Ren to Ben Solo. His physical acting is so strong. The subtlety showed his talented and not many actors can say that.

It such a beautiful moment when finally Ben Solo and Rey connect instead. In the novel and in the film especially so because she reaches for her connection to Ben right before she's going to kill Palpatine.

He acknowledged her and Rey’s lips parted in surprise. The connection was… right. Good. Like coming home. They wasted a precious moment reveling in this new sharing. This is how it should have been all along. A true dyad.

Rey lowered the lightsaber behind her back, as if readying for a massive blow. She reached for the Force. The effort made tears sting in her eyes. [...] She raised her hand ... which was now empty. She had projected her weapon away. [...] The moment Ben felt the grip of Luke’s lightsaber in his palm, he knew it belonged to him, an extension of his very own self. He raised it slowly, relishing the feel of it. ”

It's a beautiful moment where Rey and now Ben Solo have a redo of The Last Jedi. Rey looks at Ben with such love, joy and relief. Ben looks at Rey with such confidence, determination and love. It's the "Are you with me? "Yes, I'm with" Now with them both in blue light.

Finally Ben Solo and Rey are united. These soulmates separate by so much over the course of two movies are finally as they were suppose to be. Palpatine and Skywalker standing together. What it should have been is act of love, redemption and hope defeating evil. It should have been Ben Solo confronting his demons with the woman he loves and fought to be with. It should have been is Rey belonging; a redeemed Ben was supposed to become her new home and/ fulfill her need for a family. It should have been a power couple fighting evil with the Force.

But no. Somehow the two of them coming together empowered the devil. Their power like a source of life itself. Then Ben Solo is chucked off a cliff after draining their energy. Why? Ben Solo should have faced his grandfather's and father's enemy, or his clone. Palpatine confirms all the voices he's been hearing in his head has been Palpatine. He literally made irrelevant to something he is very relevant to.

They fail together, but she succeeds alone after the spirits of the Jedi aiding her?! I hate all this. Then she dies after her energy being drained, or she clutches the lightsaber too hard, I'm not sure it's not described. It's annoying. Ben drags himself up broken ribs and all to get to Rey. He crawls to her when he realizes she's passed. It's a horrible moment where you feel how alone Ben feels.

"He could see her now, collapsed on the floor, and the pain in his chest was suddenly so much worse than that of a couple broken ribs."

Ben initially mourns her until he realizes there might be a chance to save. He heals her like she healed him. Oh also none of the films go into the fact that because of their bond they were able to learn the force, including fighting moves, from one another. "Ben poured everything into her. He found reservoirs he didn’t even know he had. He gave her his whole self"

Then Rey finally takes his hand! She's back! Ben is so relieve that she's there. In the novel, "She was glad to see him. Glad to be with him in this moment. It was the greatest gift she could have given him. His heart was full as Rey reached for his face, let her fingers linger against his cheek. And then, wonder of wonders, she leaned forward and kissed him."

Reylos! We finally get our kiss, they smile at one another, look they're so happy! Probably the happiest they've ever been. A celebration!

Anddddddd he's gone. Seriously. Rey mourns him in the novel like we never see her do in the film. "The girl who had felt alone for all those years on Jakku had been part of a dyad the whole time. And just when she'd discovered that precious connection, that incredible oneness, it was ripped away. A voice came to her through the Force, clear and strong. I will always be with you, Ben said."

It's tragic because there's so much to Ben Solo we just don't see as an audience after 3 films!!!!!! He doesn't have any lines.

This movie was edited until literally the week before the films release. The recall of the artbook, the last-minute editing, Adam Driver recording new dialogue in his closet..... I'm wondering if the original idea for TROS Reylo was, well, this. We know from the editor, they didn't know for sure if they wanted them to kiss until post-production. Much of the movie wasn't decided until post-production.

And then we get to the ending. Rey Skywalker. How are you not Rey Solo after the man you felt kinship with and the man you were in love with?! Like da fuq?!

Moving forward to this Rey 2025 movie. I'd like it to do well. I hope it does well. It probably won't unless Ben Solo returns. Reylo might be controversial (whatever) but it's currently one of the biggest draws this franchise has. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is the most popular character out of the sequel trilogy. We deserve it and I'd pay to see it.

sigh the ending we should have gotten

This post took me like 4 days

[raparopa]

Hello! May I request general hux with a resistance reader who saves him like he's all bleeding out and dieing but the reader comes along and scoops him up to patch him up for whatever reason maybe they know he's the spy or smth? Anyway have a good day and take care of yourself :)

-🍷

a/n: I am very happy to write about star wars))) thanks for the request! Looking forward to more posts from you guys!

warnings: language (?), mention of blood and violence, reader's POV, I don't know what first order prison cells look like

pairing: Armitage Hux x fem!resistance!reader

hux! hux?

All I found was blood running from my lip and dripping onto the floor of the cell the First Order put me in. In fact, there was nothing surprising in the fact that I was in captivity. When you fight for freedom, you prepare yourself for the fact that sooner or later you will have to give up your life or freedom for your goal.

They needed someone who has information, well, and in addition, someone who knows Rey and her plans (apparently for Kylo Ren's personal purposes, each time he can get it as he can).

I wiped the blood from my face with my palm and found scarlet spots on the skin. I've been in possession for so long that I've already lost track of time. But it was better than facing endless interrogations and forceful methods again. In order not to go crazy, I count the scratches on the seemingly safe walls of my cell and have almost reached a hundred ...

Out of my field of vision, hurried, ragged steps were heard, as if my unexpected guest doubted his actions. I was filled with curiosity, but I didn't move, only peering out of the corner of my eye at the metal that had replaced the wall that opened onto the corridor. But my brain suddenly flashed when something red flashed behind the wall. I turned my head too, extremely sharply when I realized who exactly disturbed my prison peace.

Hux.

Hux!

Hux?

The First Order general stood in front of the door that led to the cell, his face haughty and his chin held high. My brows furrowed as soon as I saw him. He was alone, unguarded, and not even Phasma was around. The corridor was completely empty, only two sides of the same war face to face, separated this time only by an iron grid of bars.

Something was clearly wrong, and you didn't have to be Force sensitive to feel it.

-You,- he said harshly to me. -Come here immediately.

I raised my eyebrows, amazed at the turn of events.

-For what? -I said with a stupid smile. -To what? He grinned viciously, quickly turning his head to the sides, surveying the corridor.

-Get over here quickly, Y/L!- he hissed angrily through his teeth, inaudibly hitting the iron with his fist.

The smile immediately disappeared from my face, and I cautiously got up from the bunk, striding over the distance between them, cautiously pushing my shoulder forward, as if for an attack.

-Closer! You want the entire First Order to run? Stupid revolutionary...!

-Yes, I’m coming!”-I interrupted his angry tirade and slid closer to the grate, crossing my arms over my chest. -What owes such close attention to the general personally?

He rolled his eyes in annoyance at my outburst.

- What, the sadistic vein woke up? Came to take another session of torture? I said that I...

-I'm a spy.

I froze in mid-sentence, interrupted by his sharp, like a shot, statement, and my hands fell like those of a weak-willed rag doll.

-What?- I blurted out involuntarily.

-I'm a spy! How many more times do you have to say it before it gets to your rebel head? I am a spy for the First Order.

My face stretched and my stomach twisted into a tight tube as my mind frantically processed what it had just said and the full meaning finally dawned on me.

-It can not be...

-May be.

-But why?! How so?! - I had a hundred questions and a hundred words spinning on my tongue, but I managed to say only this, and that, with great difficulty. Hux chuckled, eyes flashing.

-I don't care who wins - the Resistance or the First Order, I want Kylo Ren to lose.

-Kriff…- I breathed. Armitage Hux was a fucking traitor, the one who sent data to the Resistance, helped us all along. It couldn't even be called a dream, more like a hallucination, a mirage that caused the hot sun if I was on Tatooine now.

-That changes everything... That's all...- I almost suffocated from everything that was happening. -Kriff...- I looked up at him, thinking that I would find at least a hint that he was lying, but at the mention of Kylo Ren, his face was contorted with such anger that there was no doubt left - he had just confessed to me that he was spying for the Resistance. -And now what? How can I use this information?

Hux lifted his chin again.

- I have data that will be useful to the Resistance. I will give them to you, and you will give them to your general.

-I don’t know if it’s noticeable or not,- I giggled nervously, leaning my shoulder against the cold wall. - But I'm still in the cell. I'm in prison. And a little shocked, but that doesn't matter. Now I wanted to laugh out loud, loud enough for the whole galaxy to hear. Kriff, Poe, and Finn will rip me to the bone if they find out!

Hux rolled his eyes in annoyance again.

- I'll help you leave so that you pay the least attention to yourself and make the least noise. As you usually do, children of Leia.

I thought.

-Why do you think I'll believe you, red-headed bastard?- I said low and softly, staring fixedly at his painfully pale face. He curled his lips arrogantly.

-Don't think. You have no other choice, rebel scum. Well, do you just rot here.

x x x

Surprisingly, this red-haired trickster kept his word and pulled me out of the cell. True, of course, damn it, it didn’t work out without noise, and we drew attention to ourselves. Both. And now Hux was called not a spy, but a traitor and a deserter.

I picked up the stunned stormtrooper's new blaster as I fired at the others around the corner. There was nothing left before the cherished ship, here they are, the cherished couple of meters to my freedom, a little more, and I will again be able to breathe deeply.

I pulled the trigger on the blaster again, glare flickered down the hallway. I saw that somewhere, among the stormtroopers, Hux was flickering - he was darting about in a black-orange spot against the background of light armor and it was hard not to notice him, but he worried me the least while I was fighting for my life again. My eyes were covered with a scarlet veil of excitement and hatred, while the blaster in my hands heated up, and the soldiers remained less and less. Somewhere I heard a loud exclamation, and a strange, dull thud, but I did not pay attention, jumping out from around the corner and removing the rest of the obstacles from the horizon, making my way to the ships.

I looked at every centimeter I passed—quickly, but quickly, adrenaline filled my limbs with unprecedented lightness, blood pounded in my ears, and then my eyes opened and closed several times.

-what, you got shot?- I asked for some reason, as if it was not obvious from Hux, who was pinned to the wall, and a pool of blood near him.

He didn't answer, just looking at me in fear.

-Kriff…- I muttered, shoving the Imperial blaster into my belt. -Where to?-Where is the injury?

He shook his head and I saw how his uniform was smoking in the area of ​​the left shoulder.

-Well, how is it ... - for some reason, I escaped with regret. -Give me a hand. I extended my hand to him.

-Go away,- he fished out a block with information from his pocket with great difficulty and jabbed it at my shoulder.

This made me angry. For some reason I wanted to help him stay alive, he would have died anyway, if I had left him here, he would either bleed out or be shot before I got to the base.

Why am I thinking about this?

I'm sure it's only because he pulled me out of the cell.

Only because of this.

I'm sure.

- And he said that I was a fool, - with an unprecedented force for myself, I grabbed his collar of a black uniform and pulled it towards me, putting the already former general on his feet. Hux immediately hunched over, almost collapsing. -Give at least a modicum of effort so I can help!- I barked at him.

He gave me a wild look, but complied, wrapping his good arm around me like a lifeline.

-You would have been killed here anyway, but at least there is a small chance that you will live longer ...- I muttered to myself under my breath, dragging him along with me. - I'm sure Leia will be very ... glad ...

-She'll kill me.- He protested weakly.

-She won’t kill you,- I drawled. -Other guys are doing this in the Resistance. Moreover, we value guys like you, well, who know a lot about the rear of the enemy. - The power slowly began to leave me, but there was not much left. -Besides, from our base it is much more interesting to watch the defeat of Kylo Ren than dangerously close to him.

Hux mumbled something incomprehensibly, hobbling, trying to echo my heavy steps. Probably agreed. How strange.

x x x

The troughs of the First Order weren't as disgusting as I had previously thought. The general collapsed on another seat, sighing as if he was about to split into two. The ship jumped into hyperspace and I jumped out of my pilot's seat, grabbing my first aid kit.

-Come on, taking off your tunic.-I ordered, and Hux immediately stopped dragging out his extreme drama, again looking at me in fear.

-You look like I haven’t seen naked men.- I grunted, sitting on the floor. -Come on, come on, I’ll treat you, General Hux.

[presbierue]

Sometimes I wish Star Wars had gone in a more cultish direction with the First Order because I think having a friendship (an unhealthy, dysfunctional and toxic one) between the First Order triumvirate would have been kinda cute in an off putting way but also a good source of angst and I love angst. Like, cults prey upon those who lack connection and are looking for a sense of purpose, and I think that would have played into the big connection themes in Star Wars.

Like, little Ben Solo looking for belonging, feeling lost and like he cannot possibly measure up to his family legacies and he meets two young people equally driven to live up to Imperial Legacies. Phasma is a common First Order child soldier who fascinated by Boba Fett who did whatever it took to win. She wants to be the best fighter, to be noticed and seen by others, and will do anything for it. She is already well on her way at a young age. Little Armitage Hux has a mild god complex, believing (knowing) that he could make an unbeatable Death Star, that he can fix the weaknesses of his family legacy (less of an unwanted child in this version, more of a single survivor of his bloodline deal) and restore his family name to greatness. He misses his family dearly and resents the hell out of the New Republic quietly though (would probably prefer his actual family back than greatness but lacks EQ to realize this).

Snoke offers Ben everything he wants: like minded peers and a chance to be as great as his family. That would be hard for a teen to turn down, especially as Snoke would be hiddibg the fine print of this deal.

Hux, Phasma and Ben would likely exist for long periods of time with minimal conflict between them as they aren’t direct competitors. Hux does a lot of the planning and scheming, Phasma runs the pragmatic and social game, and Kylo leads the spiritual and visionary role of the group. Yeah they probably quibble over what they specifically want and need for their own power and plans, but it would probably be low grade jabs that teens usually trade in. More “your stormtroopers are well trained in treason” than force choking and blaster fire. Cooperation would be the best way to increase their power and influence.

I feel like having both the good and bad guys have the whole “power of friendship” on their side would have been an interesting dynamic when contrasting them. Rey and Hux both want their families back but can’t have it so they cling to their friends, Finn and Phasma are ultimately just trying to survive in abysmal conditions (one goes high visibility violent to deter others from attacking her where Finn goes avoidant, only fighting long enough to flee), and Kylo and Poe are trying to reconcile their family legacies with their own personalities and abilities. The difference is that the First Order triumvirate is a much older and well defined connection that is adjusting to new changes and pressures; Hux won by the start of TFA he built an even better Death Star (I think having it blow up in the First movie was ultimately the wrong move it would have been more threatening if it hung in for all three movies to emphasize that the First Order isn’t messing around) and that puts pressure on Phasma and Kylo, who are still not at Legendary Boba Fett/Vader levels. Like, your friend rising to the top of the heap before 40 when you’re still trying to reach previous levels would sting. On the other hand, Hux might genuinely resent Kylo for killing Han, because Hux feels his victory is empty without his parents and siblings around to see it. Phasma and Kylo are probably too self conscious and jealous after Starkiller success to actually acknowledge that Hux did the thing until like movie 3 when there might be some emotional resolution for that group, so Hux is probably just sitting with a hollow victory all movie 2 and is now just fully depressed as the one thing he thought would make him happy didn’t. This could be resolved by end of movie 3 or blow up in their faces when their relationship can’t hack the pressures anymore.

Flip that to the tensions you could do with Rey, Finn and Poe. Poe feels like his mother and other rebellion sacrifices were for nothing since the First Order took over in like a week, so he feels like a failure which results in him taking bigger and bigger risks, threatening his own life. This freaks out Rey who is PETRIFIED of losing the people she cares about again, and Finn goes to an avoidant attachment style where he starts trying to not care about either of them and does a Han Solo Hoth exit (he comes back again quickly but it freaks Rey out even more so she’s not ending the middle movie in a good place). I think the end moral ends up being something like “Avoiding one kind of pain leads to another, be open about what you’re going through so people can help because you’re never completely alone” kinda thing. Maybe you can’t be the perfect Jedi who avoids fear entirely, but fear is a gift that tells you what you care about and you can work with that. The First Order Triumvirates cardinal sin is that they’re pursing outdated markers of success and security that they think will protect them and the people they care about, but it worsens their relationships and self worth instead.

IDK man this feels like an AU that I could develop into a full rework of the sequels but it is half baked at best. I just think it would be fun to Rey and Finn screeching at Luke to give them combat training while the whole time Luke is just bouncing Grogu and other Jedi younglings around and asking them “So do you feel like you can really trust each other, or do you trust that the other is useful in filling a gap in your own life?”. Just relationship counselling the shit out of everyone. Like, recontextualize the whole “can you control the darkness in yourself” Yoda question as “can you build a support network strong enough to support you and your loved ones when you feel the darkness”. Because while Leia, Han and Luke all tried that, they built networks that only worked for them, not the people they loved, which resulted in isolation and deterioration of their relationships over time (Leia rebuilt Alderaan, Han built a semi legal shipping company and Luke built his Jedi school, but none of those things had room for the people they loved).

Edit: also, it adds a degree of Kylo having to think it through at the end where he either has to actively destroy Phasma and Hux, the people he is closest to or back down. He has to actively do all the things that made Vader as miserable as he was (lose a parent, kill the one he loves most, betray his mentor/father figure) to HIMSELF. And that’s an interesting question: is this character actually resilient enough to go through what Vader did? Can you do it completely alone, with the knowledge that no one else could do this to you but you? When does self hatred become that destructive?

[artbyblastweave]

Who was your favorite character in the sequel trilogy?

Finn and Kylo Ren are tied, at least in the first movie- Finn in terms of how radical a departure he was from previous protagonists within the mainline movies, Kylo Ren for serving as interesting metacommentary on Darth Vader and the difficulty of one-upping him with a new antagonist. Finn ultimately wins out, though, because his novel arc (traumatized child soldier who despite his good intentions also wants to get the hell away from the main plot for basically understandable reasons, before ultimately deciding to stop running and make a stand for the sake of his newfound friends) was carried through basically to a functional completion within Episode 7. Whereas Kylo Ren presented some interesting ideas but ended episode 7 without a good position from which to follow through on any of them, and it was all downhill from there.

[calummss]

Kylo Ren Blurb: A Little Twirl, Sweetheart

masterlist

summary: kylo wants to see the clothes you bought

pairing: fem! reader x kylo ren

words: 600

a/n: inspired by this gif. SO PLEASE WATCH THIS GIF BEFORE READING!! LIFE CHANGING

“I’m back.” You called into the hallway as you struggled to close the door, multiple bags hindering you from turning around, forcing you to close the door with your butt.

You slipped out of your black Mary Jane heels and quickly tiptoed towards the kitchen table to relieve your arms of the weight you were carrying. Turning around you saw Kylo sitting on the sofa, a nice cut suit hanging off his frame.

“Where have you been?” He asked, his arms stretching over Chesterfield's sofa back, an old-fashioned glass in his right hand. The amber colour of bourbon waiting to warm his throat.

You made your way to him, bracing yourself on his knee as you climbed up to his face, kissing him. “Shopping.” You smiled.

“Alone?” He caught your lips again, the faint taste of alcohol seeping into your mouth.

You kissed him back once more before lowering yourself on his knees, your arm starting to throb.

“No, I was with Arienne for a while but I had a lot to get through my list so I only really spent the last hour alone. Well, besides Hux who is always there for me. Bodyguard and all…”

Kylo’s eyes attentively sat on your figure as you talked about your shopping.

“Show me what you bought.”

“Like a little fashion show?”

His index finger curled under your Vivienne Westwood choker pearl necklace, pulling you towards his face. “Just like a little fashion show, sweetheart.”

You felt him on your lips again, your hand resting close to his cock, innocently rubbing your thumb against the rough fabric.

“Not only does it make me incredibly horny to see you swoon over me but the fact you get turned on by it gets me very wet,” your other hand gently holding his jaw.

“I like seeing you dressed up,”

“I bet you do,” you leaned away from him, your fingertips not-so-accidentally grazing his cock as you sat up from his knee and walked over to get your bags before disappearing inside the bathroom to change.

You put on the first outfit: a two piece set from the Chanel spring collection from 1995. A blue cropped double breasted coat with a black skirt and gold chain.

Opening the door you strut towards Kylo, your outfit fitting like a second skin.

“It’s Chanel,” you said, admiring the sleeves with a grin. “1995 spring collection.”

Kylo still sat on the sofa, his glass of bourbon placed on the side table. He was still leaning into the back of the sofa, his legs open. His eyes scanned you head to toe.

“What do you think?” You turned to give a full view of the outfit.

“The colour suits you and the skirt makes your legs look good. I like it.”

Walking back into the bathroom you changed into a black Chanel dress. A 1992 Haute Couture Spring/Summer show, a rare item you managed to buy. It felt like wearing a winning lottery ticket.

You walked out again, this time with a set of black heels you had also bought, the sound bouncing off the walls.

Kylo leaned forward, bracing himself on his knees as his eyes darkened.

“Can you do a little twirl for me, sweetheart?”

You turned, giving him a full view of the dress.

“This is my favourite piece I have ever bought.”

“I agree.”

“So you like it?”

“Love it.” He stood up, coming closer. His arms wrapping around your waist. “Keep it on.”

“As you wish,’ you combed through the back of his hair, your lips inching closer. “Sir.”

[rynwritesstuff]

Willow - Part II

Pirate!Kylo Ren x Reader

Warnings: NSFW, PIV sex, cumming outside

Word Count: 680

Summary: Captain Ren takes you in his quarters. (Read part one here.)

Author’s Note: This is just a reminder that my requests ARE open for pretty much any of Adam’s characters! If you have any ideas, thoughts, or requests, feel free to send them my way :) Also, I am thinking of making a new taglist for my writing, so if you’d like to be tagged in my writing, let me know, and I’ll be sure to make that happen! - Ryn

(Edit is not mine, credit to @kyloremus​ !)

“Life was a willow, and it bent right to your wind. Head on the pillow, I can feel you sneaking in as if you were a mythical thing – like you were a trophy or a champion ring – but there was one prize I'd cheat to win.” - Willow, Taylor Swift

He grabs your hand and tugs you down to his quarters eagerly, incredibly ready to have you again after a few days of keeping his hands to himself. He closes the door behind you, and you get on his bed, already hurrying to pull up your skirts. 

You look him up and down wordlessly, desperately.

His body is carved from marble, and despite the scars that litter his pale skin, you find him to be the most attractive man you’ve ever laid eyes on. Captain Ren’s large hands work at his trousers to pull his cock free, and you spread your legs as his dripping, red, erect cock is revealed. You don’t think you’ll ever stop wanting him. This feeling? This longing? It is forever. 

The Captain steps forward, cock in hand, and leans over you. He is a man of very few words, always quiet, but he is thoughtful and intentional when he does speak. 

You reach up to touch his cheek, caressing the scar that runs from above his right eyebrow down to his chest. You smile up at him, appreciating the shaky sighs he’s letting out as he thrusts into you. 

“O-Oh, Kylo . . .” you breathe, hand moving up to grip his hair. He lets you. He’d let you do anything at this point in time. 

“Fuck,” the Captain curses, immediately starting to roll his hips. He’s not going to last long today. Some days it takes him closer to fifteen minutes to actually orgasm, but if he hasn’t had you in a while, he climaxes easier. You don’t really mind either way, as long as you get to have him. 

What a beautiful thing it is to be united with someone in this way. 

“You’re s-so handsome,” you tell him as he fucks you harshly, his hips rocking back and forth as he chases his climax. 

Kylo grunts, and that is the end of the verbal exchange.

Your body bounces furiously, so furiously, in fact, that you wonder if the two of you are affecting the ship’s rocking. You groan, eyes rolling back as he continuously hits that sweet spot deep inside of you. Kylo grips your wrists and pins you down so that you can’t tug and pull at his hair, and you lean up to kiss him. 

His lips work against yours, giving you exactly what you want. Kylo moans softly, and you feel his cock begin to twitch inside of you, and you know that he’s going to pull out soon. “Fuck, s-so good . . . So good, Captain.”

His eyes are shut and his plush lips are parted. It’s the most beautiful thing you’ve ever seen. You wonder, sometimes, how this could be wrong. How could God make someone as marvelous, as handsome as Captain Ren, and expect you not to desire him in this way? How could God craft such an excellent man and then ask you not to touch or fuck him? 

It just doesn’t seem fair. 

Kylo pulls out suddenly with a loud grunt, and begins to touch himself so that he can–

“Fuck!” Kylo exclaims, his seed spilling on your stomach just as you expected it would. “Mm . . .”

You cup his cheek and pull him down to kiss him again. 

“My love,” you sigh. “So wonderful.” 

Kylo kisses you again, and again, and again. He kisses you until you can no longer tell where his lips end and yours begin, and you absolutely love it. You smile up at him as you tuck a piece of hair behind his ear. 

“Shall we finish watching the sunset, Captain?” you ask as he finally tucks his cock away, adjusts his trousers, and grabs a cloth for you to wipe yourself off. 

Kylo glances at you, a small smile on his face. 

“I would like that.” 

[hellzyeahthewebwieldingavenger]

what is done is done, Peter as a character made choice (after trusting Tony), and make choice, which had consequences, which lead to May being shot, which lead to Mephisto taking advantage of the situation, choice then consequences

It is silly to say 'what's done is done' when what was done was something that never logically would have happened. Understand that when i use the terms 'mischaracterisation' or 'Out of character/OOC' what I mean is 'the character would literally never behave this way in the context of the situation'. The narrative is broken and inconsistent. Therefore you must fix and address this.

In writing consistenty, especially in regards to characterisation, is aggressively more important than consequences. If the character only made choices because they were written out of character, that is to say incorrectly, then the consequences are built on a foundation of sand because those consequences SHOULDN’T be happening.

An example: In the Obi Wan Kenobi TV show Darth Vader was apparently powerful enough to telekinetically pull a star ship in flight back down to ground. This is inconsistent with his depiction in the original trilogy and Rogue One where he is within range to do such a thing but does not, the obvious intention being that such a feat was beyond his powers. Thus establishing he can do that breaks the narrative as the entire Original Trilogy either would not have happened or could not have happened if he HAD pulled back the star ships in Rogue One or the Empire Strikes Back.

Another example, this time regarding characterisation. Luke Skywalker in Return of the Jedi believed his father, Darth Vader, who had been steeped in the darkside of the Force for over 20 years and committed various acts of evil could be reject the darkside and find redemption. He was proven correct, his faith rewarded. However, in the Last Jedi, when confronted with his 20something year old nephew, Kylo Ren, who Luke believed was in the process of being seduced by the darkside (but had yet to do ), Luke gets mere moments away from pre-emptively murdering him in his sleep. If written IN character Luke would never have come close to killing Kylo, which means Kylo would not have hated him and joined up with the darkside after all, therefore the entire sequel trilogy would be different.

In the case of OMD, the situation is very similar to Hal Jordan murdering all the other Green lanterns in the 90s. Goeff Johns wanted Hal to be the main GL again, but to do that he needed to address his past crimes and did so by explaining he was mind controlled by a villain. Another example, in the 80s Bill Mantlo had the Punisher killing people for minor crimes like stepping on the grass when a sign forbade them doing so. The next writer explained he had been essentially been exposed to drugs without his knowledge, therefore was not morally accountable for those actions. Right there you have an example of NOT accepting 'what's done is done'. When the character is damaged, you FIX them. Peter making a deal with Mephisto, unmasking, siding with Tony are all things that very hardcore VIOLATE his decades long established characterisation. he literally would NEVER have done any of those things if written correctly.

Mephisto keep making deal left and right because that advantage him in the long run, Spencer just gave us a reason why he made that deal with Peter (which also place the editorial in a awkward place as OMD still being a thing mean Mephisto is winning). If Mephisto think that messing up with Squirrel girl is advantageous to him, you can be sure that he will have twenty deal prepared for her.

What Spencer did was a retcon. Therefore you can simply retcon it again. I like Spencer’s run. I respect his effort to alleviate OMD. However, he did not address the fundamental problems, which includes Mephisto’s involvement in the first place. His retcon also, as I said, introduces the problem of Mephisto’s plan being nonsensical in a different way than it was in OMD. If he wants to avert the birth of Peter and MJ’s child, he can simply orchestrate one of their deaths. He wouldn’t even need to utilise time travel to do that. As thing currently stand, Peter and MJ could conceive the child that would bring him down any day now, they do not need to be married to do that, a one night stand would do it.

Your solution is taking a wider account of Mephisto’s character and actions. Meanwhile my point is Mephisto shouldn’t have ever been involved in the narrative in the first place. He is NOT a Spider-Man character and he is way too cosmic and mystical for Spider-Man’s world. That was even a criticism at the time in 2007. So, retcon that he wasn’t even involved in the first place and you not only fix OMD, but you fix Mephisto’s mischaracterisation in OMD and the character is untainted on top of that. Mephisto is a really cool character and a really great villain, but because of his involvement in OMD his popularity took a hit, his association with OMD (a universally despised story) dogs his character. But retconning that actually the guy we saw in OMD was never Mephisto in the first place, simply an illusion or imposter, you unburden Mephisto as well as Spider-Man.

you speak of the same Spider-man that became the chosen of a Multiversal spider-god and fought a energy vampire that hunt animal-totem character across the multiverse. Like I agree that spider-man is a city based character, but it don’t mean that he have to stick with just bank robbers and similar. Like Spider-man had to deal with stuff like pseudo werewolf (JJJ son) or vampires (Morbius). It is not because that spider-man is a city based characters that he can’t get once in a while a story a bit bigger. In the end, what matter is if the character is correctly used in the story.

Buddy, Spider-Man was created in 1962 and that totem stuff appeared in 2001. It was not, and is still not, this long standing engrained integral part of the character’s canon whatsoever. I don’t know what to tell you, not every facet of the canon is weighted the same. Across the 60+ years of Peter’s history, most of his stories are not mystical, cosmic or universal and we have had so many stories over the decades we can say with absolutely safety what kinds work better than others, and it ain’t the mystical/cosmic/totem fuelled ones.

The JMS stuff was good (prior to JRJR leaving) because it was addressing a VERY specific issue at the time of the early-mid 2000s. After Mackie and Byrne’s run ASM sales were so low they honestly considered discontinuing the comic/character altogether. That happened because they had tried pathetically to regress Peter into what they believed was a ‘classic’ status quo. JMS, in doing the initial totem stuff used it as something to energise the fanbase and get people reading because it was such a controversial idea to suggest, and initially JMS really did JUST suggest the totem stuff, he did not confirm it at all. From a characterisation POV, it then made Peter question himself, and made the readers question their own understanding of Peter. This was integral at the time to reconstructing Peter in the wake of the DAMAGE Mackie/Byrne had dealt him. This was also why JMS reduced the cast to Aunt May and MJ and had MJ and peter broken up initially. He had to REBUILD the character from the ground up and to do that he focussed on his core, which meant his exploring his core relationships, namely the one he had with his Mother and his wife, the person who represents his past and the person who represented his future, where he came from/where he aimed to go.

Additionally, the multiversal aspect of both the Spider-God and Morlun was not introduced until 2014 under Slott, a run chock full of inconsistencies, mischaracterisation, bad ideas and even worse execution. Again, it is not the case that ALL of the canon is weighted the same. Some stuff is shit and at odds with the defining themes of Spider-Man. No character is endlessly malleable because if they were, if they could be anything, then they are tantamount to being nothing. They need definitions.

Whilst I was not as hardline as other people, there were hundreads of people even in 2001 who were adamantly opposed to the mystical elements being introduced in Spider-Man and many who were similarly opposed to the sci-fi elements introduced via Venom and Carnage. Imo, I think you can have exceptions to every rule, but that doesn’t mean there AREN’T rules.

As you say, he doesn’t need to be exclusive to bank robbers and their like, but it really shouldn’t go beyond Doc Ock level threats. The likes of Morlun should be characters used sparingly and not tied into Spider-Man’s story on a foundational level.

“Like Spider-man had to deal with stuff like pseudo werewolf (JJJ son)”

What if I told you there were always bad Spider-Man stories that probably should have been ditched or redrafted, even in the goated Conway 70s era?

“or vampires (Morbius).”

Morbius is a creature of science, not the supernatural and is therefore consistent with Spider-Man’s rogue’s gallery and worldbuilding.

“It is not because that spider-man is a city based characters that he can’t get once in a while a story a bit bigger.”

I agree. But when you do a story that is fundamental to the status quo of the character moving forwards that story should not be inconsistent with his world building and what not. Even the Clone Saga was consistent with with world building as it was a case of science gone wrong. Notably, the tail end of the Clone Saga retconned seemingly mystical characters like JT and Scierer to be more consistent with Spider-Man’s world. In fact, the writers very briefly considered using Mephisto as a resolution to the CS, but rejected the idea BECAUSE Mephisto didn’t fit very well into Spider-Man’s world.

OMD is foundational to Spider-Man’s narrative on a perennial basis. Undoing it, would be the same, especially if it is then tied into him becoming a father. Therefore, it is better to simply nix the mystical elements all together. By saying ‘it was JT using mind manipulation’ it is now consistent with Spidey’s world building and themes.

“In the end, what matter is if the character is correctly used in the story.”

No it isn’t. What matters almost as much is if you have put the character into the right kind of story that optimises what defines them. This is partially why 90% of Marvel team up was crap. The nature of the book meant it couldn’t optimise Peter’s character as it put him in either ungrounded situations or, by virtue of spotlighting the guest star, you couldn’t focus upon his personal life.

“The problem of OMD is two thing”

It was way more than 2 things.

“it did not have a proper conclusion to the MJxPeter relation (an external factor literally modifying the universe to make your relation change is not a good way), in good part because Marvel know the ship is too popular to permanently break (like they tried to kill MJ to do that, the backlash was so bad that they rolled back on it) “

See, right there is what I am talking about. it wasn’t just  things. Mephisto changes history so they weren’t married but still in a relationship. Okay…but why would that mean they would break up? We got an answer in OMIT, but it was again inconsistent with MJ’s established characterisation.

The problem was not the execution or the lack of proper conclusion, it was doing the story in the first place. It was foundationally bad and fundamentally DAMAGES the characters, themes, worldbuilding and brand. Case in point Peter uttering ‘with Great power comes great responsibility’ is now a bad joke and utterly hypocritical as he, when it really mattered, he did the single most irresponsible thing he could ever do, selling out on his beliefs, on what his Aunt wanted, his wedding vows and hurting both himself and his wife. Like he more or less emotionally manipulated MJ, putting her in a no win situation wherein if she rejected the deal she’d be destroying Peter.

The proper/better resolution given the set up to be honest would have been the story exactly the same but Peter at the 11th hour saying no and either accepting May’s death or May living anyway.

It lead Peter Parker in a state of no progress, which is now leading to more storytelling problem because Damn, there is not an infinite way to tell “Peter is kicked of his run” or “Peter met a new love interest that nobody will bother developing before it get forgotten, nobody cares anyway because everyone know it will not stick in the end”

Whilst I agree the above is A problem with OMD it was far from the only one.

Again, you are listing off just 2 things but NEITHER of those 2 things include the issue of established characterisation. Peter was an already defined character from 1962-2007. We knew how he SHOULD have been acting in Civil War and OMD, we had past precedent literally showing us that. But he, MJ and even Mephisto DIDN’T act in those ways, thus the narrative is broken, the chain of cause and effect disrupted.

(also how can NO ONE in the Marvel universe save Aunt May? Just clone her and shove her mind into the clone body, or turn her into a vampire. Either of those would be lesser evils than what Peter did with Mephisto)

that kinda the point, you can’t handwave all that stuff, there is high and (a lot of) low stories post OMD, but saying “it never happened” is just doing OMD 2.0”

No it isn’t. I’m not saying those stories never happened. I wouldn’t want to do to post-OMD stories (the highes of which seem to belong exclusively to Nick Spencer btw, there is precious little redeemable in any other post-OMD stuff) what was done to the wedding and post-wedding stories.

My solution establishes ALL the stories happened with the sole exceptions of OMD and OMIT, both of which are universally despised and more poignantly are guilty of erasing and rewriting the past, so turn around is fair game.

Literally every other BND and beyond story however happened identically to how we read it, it is simply that the context is now altered. The micharacterisation and so on was due to mind manipulations. Again, this happened with Hal Jordan.

There is a difference between re-contextualising the stories vs. erasing them. The Clone Saga did not erase the Death of Gwen Stacy, but it did recontextualise it.

In the case of post-OMD Spider-Man it recontextualises it in such a way that they now make more sense and are therefore more palatable. Again, its not like these are popular stories in the first place. Post-OMD is only a mixed bag because there was exactly ONE run that understood the character. Everything else was varying shades of shit.

“which is a mistake story wise, the best thing is to just have the characters that they fucked up their part of their life and accept the consequences of it.”

No it isn’t because the ‘fuck up’ is something that would never have happened and breaks the narrative. Additionally in this case the fuck up literally annihilates any moral credibility Spider-Man or Mary jane could ever possibly have, which is catastrophic for a superhero narrative. Again, with great power comes great responsibility is hollow from a guy who made a deal with a demon to fix his life, even more hollow when we the readers know he never WOULD have made such a deal.

It is clearly better to morally exonerate him (like Hal Jordan) and have him heroically defeat the villain who put him in this situation against his will.

“They never removed Tony and Cap am responsibilities out of Civil war 1 for ex, same idea.”

What if I told you Civil War and its resolution thereafter was a prime example of bad, world breaking writing and the fact that it has been part of the status quo for nearly 20 years doesn’t change that. The passage of time doesn’t legitimise bad stories. Also, they 100% did not do that whatsoever. Tony and Cap were not held accountable for their (OOC) in Civil War. Iron Man got amnesia and this was treated as morally exonerating him, as if a murderer is now innocent because they can’t remember killing anyone.

“Like even if you go with some kind of brainwashing or whatever, the thing is that you basically remove all responsibility in the consequences of Peter choice”

Correct. Because Peter’s choice is morally indefensible and something he would NEVER have done. Like the prior 45 years of Spider-Man engraved it in stone that, in the context of the situation presented in OMD, peter would NEVER have acted in the way he did. Again, see Hal Jordan.

(that he made willingly, no matter how stupid that choice was, as far as we know),”

No character makes a choice willing. They are written by a writer. You are treating OMD as though it was simply a stupid thing for Peter to decide to do. My point is he WOULDN’T have made that choice willing under the circumstances presented to us if he had been written IN CHARACTER.

Writing a character in character is PARAMOUNT to the entire purpose of reading a story since emotional investment in the character is the entire reason anyone would want to read about Spider-Man in the first place.

“Choice having consequences is the core of Spider-man story.”

Yes, but the choice and their knock on consequences need to be consistent with charcterisation. You are basically arguing a writer can do anything they want, write Peter in any way they want so long as they address the consequences of the choices. I’m saying the choices in the first place NEED to be in line with what the character would believably choose. You can’t just have him make ANY given choice. It is ONE big story from 1962 to now. Keeping the narrative cohesive as much as possible is paramount.

By having Peter act in a way he never would have acted in the first place, and that choice being the foundation that comes before, you de facto delegitimise everything building upon that choice because we all know none of this stuff would have/should have happened in the first place because the foundational choice would not have happened. The cause and effect is fucked.

“Like take the Parker Luck, it is not some kind of magical stuff to explain Peter messy life, originally it is how you name the situation where Peter have to make the choice between his personal life (being on time for a date) or doing something good as Spider-man (saving someone from drowning at random).”

No it wasn’t. The Parker luck was simply what Peter called the good or bad luck everyone experienced. It could be something totally mundane that had nothing to do with his super powers. In JMS run Peter and MJ try to meet up to fix their relationship, but because they do this simultaneously, Peter flying to LA and MJ to NYC, they miss one another. They refer to this as ‘the typical parker luck’. That isn’t anything to do with his choices between being Spider-Man or his personal life. It was just Murphy’s Law in action. Aunt May and Uncle Ben used the phrase too.

I’m not saying that choice is not key to Spider-Man, but it is obvious not all the choices he makes in the narrative should count or count equally if they violate his established characterisation.

“Choice result into consequences, sometime good, sometime bad, but that Peter keep making the right choice is a good part of the appeal of the character, it is why people look at him and go “I should be more like that guy””

But that is exactly why you need to exonerate him for OMD. When the choice really mattered he made the worst, most morally evil and selfish one he could. His credibility as a hero thereafter was annihilated. It made a lie of what came before.

“saying that doc oc cannot be redeemed is kinda stupid when he proved more than once that he can, he would not become a full fledged hero but still an anti-hero,”

He never proved it. Where was him being held accountable for attempting to rape MJ? For raping Anna Maria Marconi? For violating Peter’s bodily autonomy? For stealing his life for a year? For damaging Peter’s reputation? For attempting mass genocide…twice?

Hell, his desire to fight crime as Spider-Man literally was a result of

his egotistical desire to prove himself better than Peter and

Peter literally zapping him with his memories. Prior to that in ASM 700 Otto was holding Peter’s friends hostage. Even after that he tried raping MJ

I’d also add Superior was chock full of yet more bullshit mischaracterisation. Case in point:

Doc Ock in Superior had a fondness for kids…and yet in a pivotal 90s story (directly referenced in Superior) he literally called Spider-Man stupid for trying to protect a child during a fight as it made Spidey vulnerable to Otto.

It isn’t redemption when you do these insane NEXT LEVEL evil things and never apologise for them, never pay a penalty for them, and your desire to be a crime fighter was due to an external force acting upon you+ your ego.

Again, time doesn’t legitimise stories. Superior was dogshit in 2013 and it is still dogshit now.

“when even “I’m going to eat your brain” Venom got that treatment.”

Venom never attempted to rape anyone. Venom never murdered someone and pretended to be them for a whole year. Venom never stole someone’s body, violating their bodily autonomy. Venom never attempted to nuke New York city to prove he was bad ass. Venom never tried to bun half the world to prove he was worse than Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot combined (literal quote from Ends of the Earth). Eddie Brock at least recognised his sins and wrestled with them, he even attempted suicide at one point. In his first 90s story (the 3rd Venom story over all) he abandons the chance to kill Spider-Man in order to rescue a baby. When he breaks into Peter’s home he scares the hell out of MJ but does not physically touch her. He makes out as if he is going to hurt Aunt May to fuck with Peter, but he doesn’t abduct her to do this (Otto btw abducted Aunt May and Betty brant more than once in the Lee/Ditko run). In his next appearance he even tells Peter sincerely that he would never actually hurt Aunt May as she is an innocent. Brock chooses to forgo his vengeance against Spider-Man to help him fight Carnage. His actions as an anti-hero and Lethal protector were at least as originally intended by his creator David Michelinie supposed to be sincere acts of selflessness. He nearly died in the very first lethal protector mini-series to save loads of homeless people and put his vendetta with Spidey aside again to that end. He wasn’t doing it because someone manipulated him nor because he was fuelling his own ego, to prove he was better than someone else, he had a warped code of morality, but a sincere code of morality nevertheless. He genuinely wanted to protect innocent people.

Additionally, up until the mid-90s his claims of ‘eating your brains’ were just rhetoric. He never meant them. But in Venom: The Hunger Eddie is shocked when the symbiote really does eat someone’s brains, leading him to instead feeding the symbiote chocolates which produce the same chemical.

So, no matter how you slice it, morally speaking Venom/Eddie Brock is in fact much MORE morally upright and deserving of redemption than Otto was.

“you are just ignoring a lot of character progression he got from good stories”

They weren’t good stories and they were built upon a foundation of sand.

Moreover, even if it was legitimate progression, it doesn’t address the fundamental problem of you removing Otto from peter’s villain pool.

“(even if Superior Spider-Man had to dumb the whole cast down so it can work, but that not the subject)”

That is precisely the subject. If you dumb the cast down you are mischaracterising them. If they had acted the way they should have the entire story DOESN’T happen, at least not the way it did. Cause and effect MATTER.

“until the editorial used Mephisto (again) to regress him to Old school villain Doc Oc (which ironically is placing him in the same situation as Peter, the character is now growing stall)”

I do not agree with HOW they did that, but I agree that original, in character Otto needed to be restoried for the greater good of Peter and for Otto himself.

However, were I in charge I’d come to a compromise. Because the Otto in Peter’s body was in truth a copy of his mind, which was then copied into the Living Brain, then into his clone conspiracy body, then into the body he had up until his deal with Mephisto, and then that body was magically transformed into original Otto, he is by any definition a CLONE of Doc Ock. The real Doc Ock in fact died in ASM #700 although that Otto’s mind was itself a copy he made before Kaine killed him in the 90s.

My compromise would be simple. The Otto we have now becomes Superior Spider-Man again, he gets shunted into a parallel universe along with Anna Maria Marconi. All the Superior Stands who for some reason loved that stuff can enjoy him over there. Meanwhile the original Otto is legitimately resurrected (as he was in the 90s) and all his memories up until he hijacked Peter’s body are restored. This would be an Otto who literally never went on this alleged redemption tour in the first place. He neither knows, nor gives a fuck about Anna Maria Marconi, being Spider-Man or anything like that. Everyone is happy.

“I invite you to check the champion run where Miles make a deal with Mephisto, it is not without reason I mentioned him… The idea was to make breaking OMD a big event for several characters, not just Peter, because it is what make money, and every companies love money.”

Breaking OMD automatically makes money. No need for events. Constant events have hurt Marvel and again, its too big, too cosmic for Peter’s story. If Miles needs to break a deal with mephisto, maybe he gets his own story about that. But there is MUCH more at stake here than simply the optics of making a deal with the devil. All the mischaracterisation before, during and especially after OMD needs to be addressed.

“And like it or not, Miles IS massively popular, enough to keep a Run ongoing when a lot of other characters don’t manage to (Miss marvel at random)”

That’s neither here nor there.

“Using that kind of event to tell stories that would impact both Miles and Peter in different way in the more or less long term is the smart way to do stories. “

No it isn’t. Miles has nothing to do with OMD. He doesn’t need to be involved in this. This is extremely personal and particular to Peter, MJ and their supporting cast and enemies. Miles wasn’t even created in 2007. Bringing him intot he story would be unncessarry.

[finnstansonly]

kylo fighting tooth and nail for anakin’s lightsaber that literally never once belonged to him but throwing the ren away after legitimately winning it by killing the former ren and making his…rustic crossguard saber instead is so funny like. you actually had access to a cool legacy lightsaber that had an inherent designation of power and chaos to it and you threw it in the dirt, but the lightsaber of a man who in the end gave up on being evil is what you want as your evil lightsaber? not even the one he used when he was actually going by darth vader?? interesting choice but okay.

[ncarnesir]

Stop Hating. Start Loving.

I've been spamming (a bit a lot) about that tumblr poll recently (hottest sw man) trying to get support for the guys I root for, because we all want our favorite to win obviously. And everyone does the same it's fair game of course.

However the sad part is that many people don't only advocate for their favorite. They also include a little tag or comment to dis one specific other character and the people supporting him: Kylo Ren. (alright 2, since Hux also got a bit of hate in earlier rounds, but mostly Kylo).

No real actual person should get hate for supporting some fictional character. No actual person should be told their tastes are wrong since it's something completely subjective. And really no fictional character should get hate either... it's just a fictional character...

Chill people. Stop hating on others. Focus on the things you love instead. Everyone will feel better about it. You included.

"Fear is the path to the dark side... fear leads to anger... anger leads to hate... hate leads to suffering."