#ks seungbae

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people can shit on the plot all they want but they can never say Koogi ain't an amazing fucking artist

[coffyao]

what if yoonbum was a police detective instead? think it would be a interesting AU to explore...

[fraternum-momentum]

killing stalking ramble belowww

!! tws for mentions of sa/rape, murder, abuse, etc. !!

(REALLY REALLY long, around 2k~ words. just be warned. also tmi in some parts.)

THIS IS NOT AN ANALYSIS !!!!! it def gets analytical in some parts, but i feel like i would need to reread ks a couple of times for me to feel confident enough to do a full blown analysis for it. these are just my thoughts that i want to get out of my head. really rambly for the most part, and separated into sections mostly for my convenience buy also to get my thoughts a little more organized.

what do i think about it?

it's great ! i really love the more thriller-ey aspects of it, esp when seungbae was investigating the whole thing. how he's trying to piece together everything and switching in between pov's was so so cool. love love love how extremely tense everything is, like ooo is he gonna get caught? is he gonna get killed?

ACAB but seungbae is the only police officer i'll salute to 🫡 (bc he's not real LMFAO)(and also he hates the police despite being one so)

season 1 is a great intro and it rlly gets u hooked, rlly went in super hard with the whole torture stuff. came in guns blazing n stuff. rlly rlly intense. the whole thing with jieun is just so sad man,,,,,,, like she was rude and all and she was an kind of an asshole to bum but i don't think she deserves to die over that 😭,,,,

there's also already a lot of foreshadowing and future callbacks planted into it. it makes me wonder how much planning went into the story :0 !! even early on it's pretty clear that sangwoo sees his mum in yoonbum, that's why he kept taking care of him after abusing him. he said ‘i love you’ out of the blue and bum thought he was talking to him and sangwoo replied ‘i was talking to my mom’. i mean, it's literally spelled out by the author in one of the qna's. i will be amazed if u didn't catch that somehow.

anyw season 2 is my fav because of reasons stated above. the tension is rlly great. when seungbae finally trespassed which led to the confrontation at the basement scene to when they were doing the interrogation was rlly rlly good. it shows how competent of a manipulator and a quick thinker sangwoo is. throughout it my heart was beating so fast i was so nervous JQHSHQ

seungbae rlly tried to pull through but unfortunately the people didn't believe him so woo and bum got away SCOT FREE,,,,,,, which caused seungbae to lash out on woo, then got laid off. DUDEEE i was so saddddddd, i mean i saw there were like 40 eps left so i knew he wasnt going to succeed but STILLLL i was cheering for him ykkk?

ep 34.

kinda tmi and i hope to fucking god it's not weird or anything but i can see myself in yoonbum.

LISTEN ok. not like the perverted stalker aspects. more of the whole jwhhr fuckk idk how to describe it without sounding pathetic or whatever but a while ago my brother and i had a talk about being careful with people bc of how bad my whole self esteem is and how easily i would be to manipulate and just how depressing my whole demeanor was or whatever and this scene in ep 34 where yoonbum was being interrogated by seungbae kind of left me a deep impression on me

i've def have asked myself something similar to this, idk maybe had talked to someone abt it when i was drunk as shit. but it i kind of started wondering if i would do that in his position. if i don't get any better, could i end up like him? eeeeeqjdb idkk its something i don't want to dwell on much but it's been at the back of my head ever since. i don't know. it's scary.

season 3 is more focused on characterization and developing the "relationship" between bum and woo. vv sangwoo centric. it deals with his past trauma and how it affected him. seeing how his childhood was initially and then the eventual reveal as to what really was happening in those scenes was so good. kind of shows how you never truly know what's happening behind closed doors. and it shows the extent of the abuse, how unstable his mother was, and how emotionally manipulative she was to sangwoo when he was a kid. then her eventual death in which she managed to gaslight him into thinking he killed her. at least, i think its implied that she drove the knife into her neck. and now, even when she's gone, her presence lingers and haunts him. quite literally too because its eventually revealed that her corpse was INSIDE THE FUCKING HOUSE.

i love how the dynamic turned from a dependency to a codependency. it's like watching a fire slowly spiral out and it becoming an huge shitstorm. it's interesting seeing that sangwoo needs bum too. right after he accidentally called bum 'mom' while they were having sex, that's probably the lowest he's been in, even begging yoonbum to not go and stay with him at home bc he's been so paranoid lately. even now i'm still not sure if bum was actually fucking the girl or if it was all a figment of woo's hallucinations.

there's a lot of particular scenes that i want to dedicate a small paragraph to but i don't want to make this longer that it alr is qkdh they're not anything life changing plus the implications are p clear anyway so,,

ending is insane. at first, i was kind of glad that bum seemed to be healing. like he was getting therapy, there was a person who was taking care of him, seungbae seems to be monitoring him regularly. i mean, he was still paranoid and stuff about being caught as an acomplice but he was fine for the most part. well, at least that was i thought until he started asking where sangwoo was and i kinda went oh no,,,

idkkkkk is it bad that i kind of felt bad for bum when he didn't get to see sangwoo for the last time? i mean, i want him to just move on with everything and heal but it was pretty clear he was still vv attached to woo so idkkkkk?? maybe its just me needing to have some closure or something? i was so sad that yoonbum didn't even get the chance to be truly happy in his life. even in his happiest moments with sangwoo, it was all just a skewed perception of love.

yk even if seungbae didn't go to woo's house one last time for that final confrontation, i feel like their codependent relationship would go to shit either way. but ahh,,,,,, bum deserved so much better,,,

seungbae my goat 🫡

small part abt him bc he's my fav

seungbae is interesting,,,, bc he def has violent tendencies much like sangwoo. i.e. lashing out at woo, wacking a guy out with a scanner (who, luckily, turned out to be a wanted criminal), hitting the guy who killed his father with a the golf club, dreaming and fantasizing about violently killing that said murderer multiple times, and probably more that i can't remember.. maybe a ‘two sides of the same coin’ kind of situation??? idkk

there's literally a part where seungbae said so himself that he and sangwoo were similar, immediately following it by saying that it was a dangerous thought. i think having a stable figure in his life (chief officer) helped him a lot. if he didn't have him, i feel like he could've easily ended up like sangwoo. all around green flag tho :3

my complicated feelings abt it:

idkkkkkkkkkkkkk like this is a thriller and it depicts a clearly abusive relationship but the fact that it feels so fanservicey to me feels so wrong to me ???????? like shit. i only started reading it bc i thought 'oh wasn't this bl or something? i don't remember lol. but sangwoo was hot, i should go read it' and proceeded to get my ass blasted with this is absolutely insane.

ok i'm gonna be completely honest i've always hated fanservice, so it's a completely biased take from me. like idkk it ruins the vibe of a scene. can't a good show just be a good show without all the panty shots and the weird ass angles?????? like okay, yeah, i literally draw porn but that doesnt mean i want porn/sexual in everything all the time.

like i get it. the sexual aspect of this is a necessary and integral thing. it's clearly there to depict that there's an imbalance of power. how sangwoo being on top feels more in control whereas when he's in a position of submission he gets angry or scared (a trauma response) and it's another aspect of abuse that a lot of characters experienced and it's all shown. but i think my issue is, when its with woo and bum there's like certain part to it where i'm just kinda like,,,,, you know that feeling when you feel like a sex scene in a movie is kind of going on for way too long? and ur just sitting there mildly uncomfortable by it and aughggyvh idkkk its weird,,,,,,, like should i keep watching or is this integral to the story???? am i going to miss any details or something anyone would say ?? and idk???????? like when bum or woo was sa'ed by adults they didn't depict it in such a,,,,,,, romantic?? light???? i'm not sure what to say but i feel like there's a difference in ambience and pacing and shit in a bunch of the scenes esp in season 3 but i guess it's bc they're in a 'relationship' ?????? idkk

in a way i can understand why they would present it like that ??? i'm probably reaching, but maybe it's to directly put the viewer in yoonbum's shoes and kind of see how sangwoo manipulates bum? like we as the viewer become victims ourselves of sangwoo's charms ????? maybe that's why it was psrticularly uncomfortable for me ??????????? dude idk,,,,

but like,, i've played btd/tpof before but i don't seem to have any problems with it, and that's literally torture porn or whatever but for some reason i draw the line at this apparently ????????

and i’ve thought about this really hard bc it was driving me nuts as to what the difference was. but maybe its bc it's kind of romanticizing it ??????????????? tbh i'm still not entirely sure. eh whatever i don't want to make it a big problem.

oh but fray, you draw noncon, dubcon, and gore ! arent you fetishizing it as well ? how is that any different ?

(this part is kind of tmi too) i think there's a fundamental difference between what i'm doing and having a cnc kink and depicting actual sa in a story.

no one is saying sa is not bad. for some people it's how they deal with the trauma they endured and for others its simply just a fantasy. cnc, in a real life setting, both parties are consenting and recognize that it's all just roleplay, if anything is out of the line you can opt out of it with a safeword and it's CRUCIAL that this safe word is respected. in a game like for example, dol, you can manipulate it into however you like. there's also cheats where you can just remove encounters altogether irrc. you're the one in control of the narrative.

i've had rape fantasies before (i play dol, don't be so surprised) but that doesn't mean i want to be fucking assaulted when i go out at night. and idk maybe like in ks it depicts all the gruesome and tragic parts of being abused, whether it be emotionally, sexually, physically, etc. and that's why it feels wrong framing it in that manner ????

idk my views about it aren't completely black and white. dude idfk i'm not an expert in anything. at the end of the day i'm just some random person who read killing stalking and just has some thoughts about it. anyw that's all 👍

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[skyllion-uwu]

rubs my hands together . i don’t know how long this’ll be you’ll just have to forgive me . also it’s actually been like two years since ive reread KS all the way through but i told you the hyperfixation was really bad so i remember most of the details in like perfect order . both of the main characters are really badly traumatized from their families , not sure how much i should say bc it’s all really triggering but just know that bum and sangwoo both have really negative feelings towards their families . bum is confirmed to be gay , he falls in love with sangwoo after he saves him from being SA’d in mandatory military conscription . sangwoo isn’t gay , he’s a straight man keeping bum around for sex and house chores . if i can stick my current fixation in here You know how Percy’s death haunts the entirety of Arthur’s act in whf and it kinda extends to all other characters too ? it’s like that in KS , except sangwoo’s mom is an overarching figure that continues to drill at sangwoo’s mind until he legitimately goes crazy and tries to kill bum because he’s convinced that bum is going to try and murder him like his mom tried to do to him . in between all of this there’s also a cop named seungbae trying to prove to the police force that sangwoo killed his mom ( he kinda did ) , though you find out that it was entirely in self defense . this is all one big incoherent ramble but i guess what im trying to say is that in all of this there’s actually an extremely limited amount of yaoi and just a whole lot of fucked up characters who’re actively becoming worse because of the people they are with . its very similar to being unable to peel your eyes from a car crash , it’s just morbid fascination to how it’s all going to end . calling it a horror yaoi is kinda missing the point , and it’s best to just label it as a horror manhwa that was twisted to fit into that BL genre by the publishers and fans who read it expecting one thing but got another . if u have like specific questions im pretty sure i can answer them

FASCINATING this really does sound like a train wreck/"fucked up people do fucked up things" story. Actually sounds more interesting now but I dunno if I'm in the best place to handle reading it. But wow I hate the publishing industry

[sneebnationalism]

THIS !! it's even talked about in chapter 66 by seungbae

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yoon bum never fully internalized the extent of what happened to him. even when explaining his situation to seungbae and his friend, even after acknowledging that sangwoo didn't actually love him at any point, he still didn't fully believe that everything was wrong. that's why he was able to cry over the "realization" that he was being abused in one chapter, and then run back to sangwoo in the next.

not to mention how sangwoo is the reason he got his life together. everything he was at the end of ks compared to who he was in the first chapter happened because of sangwoo. he was out of his shithole apartment that was backed up with rent, he made amends with his high school friend, he was generally a "happier" and more subjectively functional person. despite how sangwoo treated him otherwise, bum might have felt like he owed himself to him because of this change.

another reason i think koogi may have chosen to make some scenes in ks look romantic is because they just were. every relationship, even severely abusive ones, has ups and downs. things like the dinner/cooking scene towards the end, their date at the amusement park, and other scenes i'm forgetting about could absolutely just be romantic in a sense. not everything has to be severely torturous and gruesome 24/7 in an abusive relationship for it to be abusive.

these moments are in fact crucial in abusive relationships. many abusers use these completely pure and sweet moments to their advantage. abuse victims tend to, as you said, only focus on the good parts of a relationship and excuse/brush off bad parts. by giving a victim this sweet moment, they can take a more passive approach to the abuse they face. think: "oh, yeah they did xyz, but they also did this nice thing so that other bad thing was probably a lapse in judgement". they can continue the relationship with the belief that it is possible to return to that ideal.

sangwoo often uses this to his advantage, for he often convinces bum that it's his fault that they cannot be happy rather than mutual toxicity and severe abuse. along with creating happy ideals and lovebombing, sangwoo also creates scenarios in which bum is objectively a terrible person. for example, setting him up to kill min jieun. by pulling strings to cause this event, sangwoo is able to convince bum that they are equally bad people, and therefore excuse all of the abuse he puts bum through because he's "just as bad".

this leads to another reason i think bum was so desperate to be with sangwoo and see him as a good person. now that he is also a "dirty awful murderer", he thinks there's only one person in the world who can both forgive him and treat him the same. by nurturing this dependence, sangwoo was able to create someone who, no matter how much they hated him, or if their opinions on him changed, couldn't leave or even lose dependence on him even if they wanted to.

(sorry about the comically long response, i like thinking about the dynamic between these two way too much)

people like to say killing stalking romanticizes sangwoo and yoon bum's relationship but it really doesn't. the actual narrative is either unbiased or goes out of its way to make them seem horrifying. the main character, bum, is the narrator. he is the only one who thinks sangwoo isn't a completely deranged self centered jackass. that's why, when the story is being told from his perspective, we get some scenes like "hey sangwoo isn't ALL THAT BAD". the guy telling it is the worlds least reliable narrator

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[ghostmaze]

sometimes, i'd be doing something and then think... look at those arms.. imagine his arms hugging you tightly on the couch while you're on top of him feeling his bear warmth???

because y e s.

he is embodiment of big daddy energy with protective soft boy material we need

[ecchisketchstories]

Literally all I could think of during that scene! 😂😂😂

[killing-screaming]

Yo did cupid shoot me or something? 👀

[airen7]

[jul1art]

[coffyao]

pet names

link to my a03: https://archiveofourown.org/users/Lalaloopsyland

Summary:

yoonbum is trying to figure out a suitable pet-name for seungbae.

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"...seungbae."

seungbae lifted his head from the sofa.

"yeah?"

yoonbum thought about this for a while now, but he figured that it wouldn't hurt to try this out again. 

"...how do you feel about me calling you baby," and folded his arms closely to his chest, anxiously awaiting seungbae's response. 

"...huh?"

He even had alternatives in his head just in case he didn't like it.

"or maybe even sweetheart, or darling..."

"oh, you don't...have to do that," seungbae croaked.

but he didn't understand. they were so far into their relationship already, wasn't this progression only natural?

yoonbum frowned.

"...but why? isn't that what most couples do..."

when he felt yoonbum's expectant gaze on him, he quickly averted it to the floor. 

"some of them, but we don't uh...have to."

...is he embarrassed?

Now, yoonbum was determined.

"...but, there has to be one you like."

"ah..."

luckily, he did a bit of research on cute pet-names for their partner before hand.

"...pumpkin pie? maybe muffins-"

seungbae held his hand up, unable to hear anymore of it much longer.

"-just, continue using my name, okay?"

oh, he is embarrassed...

"...not even baby? I think I like that one a lot..." adding extra emphasis to it. 

"...."

"...maybe that one every now and again."

I knew he liked it.

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[liophotia]

Sangwoo got Thanos Snapped by Granny Smith.

[kawaii-ribonne]

Bum’s side of things in Chapter 64

Hi!

So, yep, this review is based solely on the new released chapter, that’s why:

( ^ω^ )

Ok.

First, I would like to make a mention on the chapter before on how we see Bum ties to a chair, beaten up, and clearly in a bad state.

In this chapter, I expected a Bum moved by revenge and attack Sangwoo when the opportunity seemed plausible. Yet the first move we see him do is this:

And there’s NOTHING wrong with it because he is helping both Seungbae and Sangwoo at the same time by stopping them from continue fighting. He tries EVERYTHING: actions, pleading glance, words, crying, the only thing he didn’t try was sex but at this point I believe that would be a ticket to death due to Sangwoo’s psychotic state.

Futile in the long run? Yes. He ends up badly beaten afterwards.

But so into his character that was to be expected.

In the whole series we see a Bum ridden with problems and in search for a tint of requited love. At the start he only felt obsession for Sangwoo, which in turn transformed into a kind of love (Stockholm Syndrome) and which in the end felt like real love to him.

Of course, Sangwoo does everything in his power to deny it and really, I believe in the between of hating and seeing his mother in Bum he fell prey to the Lima Syndrome.

If you don’t know what this syndrome is, then let’s just say it’s basically Stockholm Syndrome but with reverse roles.

The captor falls for the victim.

Of course, it’s not real love but to them, it feels like it. And Sangwoo hates to be subjected to anyone (he sees love as foreign and despites it) so of course he will deny it.

In another situation, Sangwoo MAY have persuaded Bum by appealing to his love for him.

But we have come to a Sangwoo that feels betrayed by his supposed lover and who -he convinced himself -never really loved him in the first place.

We are seeing a Sangwoo at his limits of sanity.

Hence WHY he hits Bum and threatens him to silence, saying things like: “Would you want me to kill you?”

When ever since the Christmas Episode Sangwoo had stopped threatening Bum’s life.

Yet there’s something that was not in his plans.

Bum.

Wether he wants it or not, Bum has come to hold a certain position in his life making him reconsider things once in his presence.

That’s why he says: “I can’t concentrate with your wailing.”

Bum has the power to attack him once he turns his back. But Sangwoo knows he won’t.

He is aware of the hold he has over the smaller man and aware that he would never do something to harm him, and uses it to his benefit.

That’s why, in his last attempt, he orders Bum to kill Seungbae and doesn’t fear of him killing him instead. And also why Bum seems so miserable in the last panel.

This is always present in couples with IPV in which one partner denies being hurt by the other even when the evidence is explicit and does not denounces them. Normally, psychological help is given to make them realise they were being hurt and that it was not right.

But Bum was abused all his life. And even when he knew it was wrong and undeserved, he never said anything because he thought himself UNDESERVING of help.

Now I know the whole chapter shows us the fight between Seungbae and Sangwoo, good and evil, with the victim behind. Yet who holds the most importance in it is in reality Bum, the victim, for he has the power to end this fight with one side as a winner and another, as the dead loser.

Bum is the jocker, the turning point, the center of the story, and his decision would shape the final of the series.

Now there’s a riddle: What side would Bum choose?

In many media, the victim, when not standing in the sidelines, mostly sees the wrong done to them and help the good win. In others they hurt themselves in their desperation or impotence of making a decision.

Koogi, however, likes to give us surprises and may give us a Bum willing to help Sangwoo even at the end of times. And I would completely understand it because in his madness, he has deluded himself of loving Sangwoo more than his own life.

I also believe Bum finds a way of not killing Seungbae and Sangwoo, yet I dare not make assumptions of how.

But everything will depend on how Koogi wants to finish the story!

End

[amberisley]

*Killing stalking Fandom reacts to the latest chapter*

Me: Why did the Yoonbum cross the road?

Me: .... Too soon?