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[bellaaldamas]

I wanna be a Mona Lisa

suggested by @kratioed

(song by mxmtoon)

[kraptos]

Since AOS shows bits of jealousy towards Lysandra and maybe Faye, what about Kratos in Norse era? Imagine someone hitting on AOS (probably in post Ragnarök); does Kratos shows it off with action so people would take a hint that AOS is already taken? ;)

Kinda reminds me of that one flashback from CH.8 with Kratos getting all jelly when he arrives to see AOS preoccupied with his pals back in basecamp. But it's also because I want to see how he reacts now from your perspective for my KratAOS fuel-

you're one of the best fanfic authors I know who writes Kratos well in character 😭

hello friend!

i actually already have plans for this to happen in the sequel! >:)

a certain someone will get a little crush on AOS and Kratos is honestly just going to think it's kinda funny and tease him about it. (AOS is 100% oblivious and doesn't believe him)

while it's something young Kratos would prob have gotten jealous over, old man Kratos knows AOS only has eyes for him (he barely had any romantic ventures while they spent decades separated, after all ;-;), so he's not really bothered by it. maybe he would be if it wasn't someone they knew and trusted and AOS was more conscious of it, but I still don't think he'd really care too much at this point. If anything, he'd probably beat himself up a little bit about how AOS could have had a normal adult life had he ended up with someone else LOL

thank you so much for the compliment, that means a ton! 🥺 i haven't written much for other fandoms, but kratos is def my fav character to write!! <3

[bellaaldamas]

@kratioed great theory about the Yule Cat (especially about her being given to Gryla as a therapy pet by Angrboda and Freya), need to look into that and into mythological background of Gryla in general. As for Angrboda and Gryla, the narrative deliberately left the room for various possibilities for how their relationship could progress post GowR. We know from Angrboda directly as well as from her paintings that Gryla showed affection for her granddaughter before and even after she became stricken with grief (the mural where little Angrboda and her grandmother are baking bread together and Angrboda's tearful story about Gryla leaving her food even after denouncing her). However, we also know from Angrboda herself - who casually let those details slip when she was trying to give Atreus comfort by opening up about her own deceased loved ones - that Gryla's relationship with her son and, particularly, daughter in law (Angrboda's parents) were not entirely idyllic. In that vein, Angrboda mentioned her mother and grandmother "fighting" and her mother seeking comfort in the nature of Ironwood to bounce back from that.

During the boss fight Gryla mentions her daughter in law several times, both in a way to indicate grief over the latter's passing (when Gryla agonizingly inquires whether it was Angrboda's mom's destiny "to go/die so young") and to express anger and disdain towards her (Gryla exasperatedly notes in the same monologue she doesn't believe it was her son's destiny to "marry that absolute fool"). Gryla, likewise, yells that she should have thrown Angrboda to the wolves right after she pulled her out of her mother. Thus deliberately hitting where it hurt the most and belittling both her granddaughter and daughter in law in attempt to get back at Angrboda for destroying the source of Gryla's magical addiction (the cauldron).

From that, it can be inferred that while Gryla's harsh words were partially a product of her current unstable state of mind twisted by trauma and loss there was still a part of those outbursts that referred to preexisting issues between Gryla and her late daughter in law. Which Gryla had presumably projected onto her granddaughter.

If there is any kind of follow up on that in the future games - and given how impeccable a continuity GowR provided when it came to parallels and callbacks to Gow18 (down to direct quotes highlighting the changes in characters and their mindset) - the narrative could (and should) delve further into Gryla's relationship with her daughter in law in the past. That would allow for Gryla working out those issues to finally build a healthy dynamic with her granddaughter. And, no less important, to provide Angrboda with a support system the latter had been deprived of for years. In part because Gryla chose to bury herself in her anger and grief. Instead of recognizing that her granddaughter needed her the most after being dealt an even rougher lot in life, having been orphaned at such young age and having to shoulder an impossible responsibility for the sake of their people's legacy. Said responsibility became far greater when Gryla disowned her (per Gryla's own words she told Angrboda to never come back to the house and that's the reason Angrboda had to reside in the Tree House) and started stealing souls of the animals that Angrboda had to take care of and fend for every day all on her own (no matter the enormous physical challenges it entailed which made even Atreus, trained as a warrior since early childhood, feel weary and overwhelmed). Not to mention Angrboda noting that Gryla subjected her beloved Jalla to abuse of some kind as well; traumatic enough for Jalla to be initially wary of Atreus.

It is no random - as the screenshots above indicate - that Gryla did not try to intentionally hurt Angrboda physically but had no qualms doing it emotionally, aiming for all the sore points (Angrboda's mother, her only being good with her paintings which depicted but did not actively influence or change the future - which Gryla clearly took issue with in regards to Angrboda's father who did not try to change the fate of their family - her being "nothing" and Loki/Atreus being destined to forget her). If there were projection issues involved (concerning both of Angrboda's parents) and the once bottled up resentment towards Angrboda's mother came springing out and became amplified by Gryla's mental illness and addiction it is definitely worth looking into in future installments.

Moreover, the nature of addiction and how harmful it is to the people around - especially those that the addict is or is supposed to be responsible for (such as children and grandchildren) - is perfectly shown in the boss fight sequence. Gryla performs potentially deadly acts several times that could have most definitely hurt Angrboda as much as Atreus, even if she does not mean it. First when Gryla attempts to attack Atreus when he is standing right next to Angrboda who is shielding him with her body and then tells him to run.

It happens again when Gryla is performing her attacks using spells to light up the kitchen floor. Atreus, while evading the attacks using "platforms", yells for Angrboda to be careful and watch out because she is just as exposed to the potential harm from those attacks as he is.

That's why the Ironwood scenes post Ragnarok where Angrboda notes Gryla not merely being incapable of doing anymore damage to the animals (due to the lack of cauldron) but actively helping Angrboda with foraging for food for them can indicate several directions Gryla's development would go.

As I am strongly opposed to the idea a child should ever prove their worth to their parent or guardian - let alone to the one who subjected them to abuse or neglect - the most compelling and fitting scenario would, indeed, be a parallel to Kratos and Atreus's dynamic in Gow18. Which from where I'm standing is one of the most respectful and well written versions of "estranged parent's redemption" plot.

Gow18 never transferred the responsibility for bonding and mending of Kratos and Atreus's relationship onto Atreus. Even when Atreus himself was at his worst and nearly slid into self destruction and uncontrolled violence it was shown to be a direct result of Kratos's mistakes and dishonesty towards his son. Kratos's long term unwillingness to tell Atreus of his divine background and the fact that Atreus, partially, was a god too, was what caused Atreus to have to process those revelations and those changes at a rapid pace. He, furthermore, had to do it in relative loneliness because while Kratos was physically there for him he was still distanced from his son emotionally (as they had not had enough bonding time after Faye's passing yet by that point).

Obviously, Kratos and Atreus's relationship never reached such drastic crisis as that of Gryla and Angrboda. But much like Atreus, Angrboda had to process and work through her traumas on her own, in her case being completely alone both emotionally and physically. For awhile my headcanon has been that in the upcoming installments Angrboda might go further in trying to defy fate and does something to alter Atreus's destiny to keep him from a potentially fatal danger (which she would see in her dreams or depict via one of her paintings). As the result, Angrboda changes her own destiny in unexpected ways and gets hurt or winds up in some form of life threatening peril. Atreus, upon finding out about it, goes to Gryla for aid and they would have to team up for Angrboda's benefit.

This scenario can lead to Gryla either fully healing or dying to save her granddaughter. Like you say, there might be a confession from Gryla that she is proud of Angrboda, in this case on her, Gryla's, deathbed. However, it would be a very cliched scenario which SMS so far managed to avoid with other characters (Kratos in particular). Since Angrboda already endured a series of massively traumatic experiences linked to the loss of loved ones adding more trauma and loss, at this stage of her life, would veer into "break the cutie" trope territory which is trite and sexist (and which I hope to never see in Gow series, especially where Angrboda is concerned).

Thus why I hope that Gryla getting better is both a hint that A) her and Angrboda's relationship would eventually be fully restored and that B) Angrboda now has the chance to leave Ironwood for some time to travel with Atreus (previously she cited the need to tend to her animals as the main reason why she could not go with him; now with Gryla doing part of the work with obtaining food this is no longer an issue).

Admittedly, I would have preferred for Kratos, Mimir and Freya to have an adult talk with Gryla after the main events of the game when they visited Ironwood. Their visit, though genuine, showed how much Angrboda is lacking her own support system which would prioritize her needs first and foremost; and how it was mainly SHE who comforted and cheered them up rather than the other way round. It was Angrboda who assured Kratos that he gave Faye a beautiful resting place. Likewise, it was she who paid her respects for Freyr by telling Freya that her brother's sacrifice won't be forgotten.

While Mimir and Freya thanked Angrboda for her invaluable aid (and acknowledged the high level of her magical and painting skills) Mimir did so as a prelude for his - rather tactless - remarks about Angrboda and Atreus's romantic feelings for one another, as he was poking and prodding (Kratos and Freya had to stop him twice). Per Mimir's own admission later, he wanted to "check" on Angrboda's "intentions" regarding Atreus (even though there was no one to check on Atreus's intentions regarding Angrboda because she, unlike Atreus, doesn't have any adults to be fully and unequivocally on her side and to care for her).

To Mimir and to Kratos it's Atreus's needs and well being that comes first (which is natural). Whereas Angrboda, even though their appreciation of her is earnest, exists as a useful ally and a potential source of happiness and fulfillment for Atreus as his love interest (rather than her own person with history and experiences). Thus, they determine her value based on what she can give and what they can receive from her.

That's the reason why a heart to heart talk between Kratos and Gryla, as two once estranged guardians for their child and grandchild respectively, was sorely lacking (to me) in GowR. Especially after a conversation about being better for their children occurred between Kratos and Thor - and in the midst of a battle where they were rivals, no less (that despite the fact that Thor and Odin were the aggressors in that situation whereas Gryla never was; and by the point Kratos and co arrived in Ironwood she was no longer an abusive and animals torturing addict either).

However, if this kind of interaction happens in the upcoming installments it could be even more profound and meaningful, now that Kratos, Mimir and Freya will have the chance to further bond with Angrboda in Atreus's absence.

𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐏𝐀𝐑𝐀𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐋𝐒 𝐁𝐄𝐓𝐖𝐄𝐄𝐍 𝐆𝐑𝐘𝐋𝐀 & 𝐀𝐍𝐆𝐑𝐁𝐎𝐃𝐀 𝐀𝐍𝐃 𝐊𝐑𝐀𝐓𝐎𝐒 & 𝐀𝐓𝐑𝐄𝐔𝐒

A little reminder that Grýla had never once addressed her own granddaughter's name and instead used "girl" to not only degrade Angrboða but as an attempt to detach herself from her sole family member while keeping her granddaughter at a distance, this familiar dynamic between Grýla and Angrboða closely resembles the relationship between Kratos and Atreus back in 2018.

𝐄𝐃𝐈𝐓 𝐔𝐏𝐃𝐀𝐓𝐄 𝟗/𝟒/𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟑: Credits to @/averagehellraiser for the screenshots!

While Grýla had cared for Angrboða from afar, Kratos does the same for Atreus before and throughout the occurrences in God of War (2018). The only difference lies in the death of Angrboða's parents, especially Grýla's son, causing the rift between them at a time when they could have found solace together and healed through their shared grief. By contrast, Faye's death strengthens the bond between Kratos and Atreus, allowing them the opportunity to reconcile their strained relationship.

[officerdatam]

gift from a father - Part 2 and 3 (end)!!!

Link: [Part 1] [Part 2 & 3 - End]

IT'S HERE!!!!!!

Sorry for taking so long to post this, but it's finished! I had a really packed year since I made the first part.

Thank you for the huge feedback on the first part, I wasn't really expecting so much support. ♥

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[angyvalentine]

@kratioed just know I'll print and frame these tags 😭❤️🫶🏻

[kikkofindaeas]

Phakothery

Adeaberbe aneme derte ... 

irso tea pakkia tuamea ... alfine.

Debiteneme nelo tiste akapio kratio ... mhe ...

Yupo Yudo Yapee debitete anomaliete ...

tebine nerme tiste et sonuto !!

( Petrasso Araebella )

[bellaaldamas]

This is a flawless addition and a very canon compliant scenario. Especially with them having each other's music boxes mirroring the way they exchanged marbles in canon.

omg via last ask, i could see atreus making or keeping a music box with a tinny little angrboda inside of it with a music box version of her theme playing for it wtffffff 🥺🥺🥹🥹😭💜💙

[bellaaldamas]

@kratioed decided to make a separate post for Hel headcanons which cannot be covered in replies where we've been conversing. If you feel inspired to add more ideas or thoughts, feel free to reply and/or reblog this post anytime ;) And, again, thank you so much for this discussion. As I noted, I don't trust mainstream media with ANY romance arcs at all (for reasons I've also mentioned in my replies) but so far Atreboda has been the best and healthiest budding romantic arc in the recent 10+ years; therefore I'm determined to make the most of it.

[kraptos]

Hi- it's me again! ;)

Just a stilly idea, but imange AOS with Sleipnir. Since Kratos let out his inner child with the doggos, AOS would definitely be squealing like a horse girl he is 😭😭😭 both are traumatized during their childhood, let them be a goofball for once qwq

Even better since Fenrir (along with Skoll & Hati) and Sleipnir are connected to Loki in Norse Mythos; making both Kratos and AOS grandparents if that make sense(?)

Even if Sleipnir never appeared in Ragnarök, Atreus can always do some soul magic just like he did with Jormungandr back in Ironwood if that happens!

Also; hope life is treating you well as always! ^^

hey there!

that's sooo cute tbh... give AOS another horse!! 🥺

i haven't decided if AOS will get to see the kelpie in ragnarök or not yet, but sometimes i imagine him in complete awe of it just for fun, haha

it's been going okay!! i got a very good offer for a second job, so i've been very busy, which is why i haven't been very active/writing lately. i hope you're also doing well :D

[kratioed]

[kratioed]

I don't go there- but fuck it.

you have been visited by the seven magic dragon balls your biggest wish will be granted but only if you reblog

[apatheticterminator]

Happy death day tunglr

[rivaltimes]

God of War Ragnarok: Kratos and Atreus take up arms again in vid...

God of War Ragnarok: Kratos and Atreus take up arms again in vid…

Through Game Informer, God of War Ragnarok shows us new images today, illustrating the combat system that we were told a few days ago now. Which is an opportunity to immerse ourselves, in the company of Kratios and Atreus, in the violent and mythical universe that Santa Monica has made for us. But, unfortunately, this little excursion does not last very long. Combat-centric gameplay The short…

[gaberz-weatherz]

Coming to a switch near you, god of war 5 - mushroom mythology “It-sa me, Kratio”

[forrestdumb]

"VEZIVNO TKIVO"

"Jesi li konačno pročitao moje kratke priče?" - pitao sam zapalivši cigaretu na terasi birtije u predgrađu.

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"Jesam." – nevoljko odgovori Urednik jedne male izdavačke kuće meškoljeći se nelagodno u jeftinoj plastičnoj stolici. Mislim da bi trebao smršaviti, ali nije vrijeme da sad potežem tu temu.

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"I?" - upitah kratko.

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"Pa u tim tvojim pričama imaš sakriven jedan Cijeli roman." - britko je oblikovao misao pa me pogledao za tren ozbiljno kao da je dugo dobro čuvana tajna izašla konačno na svjetlost dana.

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Sljedećeg trenutka opet je nervozno zvjerao oko sebe mrmljajući si nešto nerazgovijetno u bradu. Mislim da je to bilo diskretno negodovanje jer nas prezaposleni konobar ne jebe ni pol posto. Potom me ponovo ozbiljno ošinu pogledom naglašavajući svako izgovoreno slovo C, jednoličnim glasom što dopire iz dubine želuca: "Samo trebaš malo razmjestit stvari i ponešto izbaCiti te možda tu i tamo nešto dopisati. Da ne doCiram - ni previše, ni premalo, ono – taman, treba imati mjere u tim stvarima, sam proCijeni. To nešto bilo bi vezivno tkivo. Dakle, trebaš naCiljano nadrljati, odnosno nadodati ili naCrtati ne više od dvadesetak, tridesetak straniCa. Da Cjelina bude jasno vidljiva čitaoCima."

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"Dvije to��ene.", velim konobaru koji se iznenada dogegao niotkuda te uzvratim Uredniku - "Pa možda bi se to dalo. Ionako je većina onoga što sam napisao svojevrsni autobiografski pregled zadnje dvije i pol godine mog života."

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Urednik me opet šutke gledao ravno u oči. Ili nije znao što da kaže ili je možda želio reći nešto što mi se ne bi svidjelo pa se na kraju ipak suzdržao. Ali izraz liCa odavao je, da ga uopće nisam fasCinirao svojim bedasto iskrenim izljevom.

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No, jebi ga – pa o čemu drugom pisati nego o onome što mi se dešava?

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Da, zaista sam se u jednom trenutku pojavio na Burzi rada tražeći posao, da, zaista sam neko vrijeme bezuspješno tražio posao kao nesuđeni profesor likovne umjetnosti; da, zaista su mi u međuvremenu ugradili te proklete stentove u žile; da, zaista mi je pas odapeo u mukama prije manje od godine dana; da, zaista sam išao okolo s bendovima naivno vjerujući da je moja budućnost u glazbenom biznisu; da, zaista sam poželio ubiti par ljudi oko sebe koji mi idu na živce, a onda sebe, osobu koja mi najviše ide na živce; da, zaista sam se nesretno zaljubio u jednu totalnu glupaču i pobjegao na neko vrijeme od žene; da, zaista sam znao sjediti do u beskraj u najvećim rupetinama ovog grada za šankom te sam tamo pijan pisao na laptopu priče ili poeziju koje nitko nije htio objaviti... No kad cijelu tu povijest izdrkaš na papir, sve izgleda toliko nevjerojatno kao da je nemoguće da takva idiotska osoba poput mene uopće postoji – nije to realno. Sve zvuči bedasto kao u jeftinim science fiction romanima: "Došli su ravno iz svemira i krenuli nas jesti jednog po jednog! Ljudska vrsta bila je u opasnosti...!"

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Koj kurac, koj kurac...!

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Međutim, u to vražje "vezivno tkivo" i pretvaranje kratkih priča u roman, tog trena, dok smo čekali da nam konobar donese pivo, nisam baš bio previše uvjeren. Život teško mogu zamisliti kao nešto što ima smislenu fabulu, radnju koja se (negdje) uspinje, ima taj (neki) jebeni vrhunac i na kraju (jebenu) poantu skupa sa sretno-nesretnim krajem. Zato i pišem (uglavnom) kratke priče. Kratke odsječke što već sami po sebi ne trebaju nikakvo "vezivno tkivo" i stvaraju mehanizme čije funkcioniranje mi nije baš pretjerano jasno. Kada bi mi ti mehanizmi postali poznati, sve bi izgledalo previše predvidljivo, poprilično dosadno i meni osobno, skroz neprobavljivo. Bilo bi to mehaničko prenošenje događaja. Dokumentarac što ima za cilj izazvati suzu u oku prmatrača zbog nesretne sjebane sudbine aktera (a s tim ne želim imati ništa, kao što ni sa samim sobom ne želim imati ništa).

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Svoj unutrašnji monolog ipak nisam iznio glasno. To se Urednika koji naglašava slovo C uopće ne tiče. Njega zanima samo krajnji produkt. Zanimaju ga sva slova abecede. Do zadnjeg. Poredana u niz kojim bezbrojan broj majmuna lupa po bezbrojnom broju pisaćih mašina bezbrojan broj godina ne bi li jedan od njih, jednom, nekada, možda (premda, iako) napisao Hamleta.

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Prije otprilike godinu dana ovaj Urednik mi je izdao zbirku poezije koja je katastrofalno prošla, i kod kritike, i na tržištu. Brijem da se to desilo zbog brojnih intervencija Urednika u moje stihove. Izbacio mi je sve pjesme za koje sam mislio da valjaju, a ostale mi je sakatio nemilosrdno, kratio ih, premetao, dopisivao nemilice stihove tamo gdje je mislio da treba dopisati, sve dok krajnji rezultat nije bila papazjanija koju nitko nije želio ni čitati, a ni primiti u ruke.

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Nakon što mi je sjebao zbirku pjesama, sada, valjda, zbog osjećaja krivnje, daje mi još jednu šansu.

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Ili to sebi daje još jednu šansu?

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Ok, čini se da nemam puno izbora ako se u životu želim profesionalno baviti pisanjem (kako patetično!).

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Pa hajmo onda pokušati pretvoriti zbirku kratkih priča koje govore, manje-više, o jednom debilu što se ne snalazi baš najbolje u životu i koji zabrlja skoro sve što takne, u roman.

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Ili u polu-roman.

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Ili u polu-nešto.

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U neko govno.

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Potonuo sam u stolicu.

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Pisati – ali koja jebeno glupa ideja...!

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"E i..." - dodao je Urednik - "mogli bi sve preokrenuti tako da završi s početkom, a da početak ide na kraju."

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A u pičku materinu! - izvrsnim uredničkim idejama nikad kraja!

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"I to bi mogli", rekao sam mada nisam vjerovao da takav eksperiment ima previše smisla.

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Smisao...

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Koji će nam kurac smisao u romanu / kratkim pričama kad ga ni u pravom životu nema?

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No eto - sam život nam je tako sada već napisao nekoliko stranica "vezivnog tkiva" budućeg romana alkemijski dobivenog iz kratkih priča. Još dopisati osamnaest ili dvadeset i osam stranica, pa malo sve začiniti fantazijom, i roman u obliku pripovjedaka biti će gotov!

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Pičkin dim od posla.

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Pisati uopće nije teško!

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Svaka budala to može!

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Samo moraš biti dovoljno glup da se u to upustiš.

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"I trebalo bi da roman nekako završiti optimistično jer je sve što si napisao u tim kratkim pričama dosta depresivno. Ta bi još nepostojeća priča ili epizoda, ako gledamo tako da sada stvaraš budući roman, išla na početku, odnosno na kraju, u slučaju da okrenemo tok dešavanja." - dodao je Urednik samouvjereno bez i jednog jedinog slova C u svom monologu.

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"I to bi mogli" - rekao sam mu, uzeo kriglu pive u ruke te potegnuo do pola čvrsto zažmirivši.

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"Dakle", rekao je Urednik male izdavačke kuće - "prvo bi stavili onaj dio kada si postao nezaposlen i prijavio se na burzu rada?"

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"Je, mogli bi s time početi. To označava novo razdoblje u mome životu. Ono razdoblje kada je moj pad krenuo strmoglavije nego inače. A mogli bi napraviti i tako da tiskamo samo jedno jedino slovo kroz cijelu knjigu, recimo slovo A (ili C?), a čitaoci neka zamisle ostatak slova, smisao napisanog i (jebeno) "vezivno tkivo..."

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Urednik na to nije ništa rekao. Sada je buljio u studentice iza mojih leđa. Jednostavno sam ga prestao zanimati.

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Urednik.

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I to kakav...!

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Mlad, perspektivan, puno čovjek čita. Iako mi je jednom rekao kako mu se zove izdavačka kuća za koju radi, moram priznati da sam podatak već odavno zaboravio. Ma kome je naziv bitan? Ionako će to pisati na koricama knjige kada bude izdana.

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Ako ikada bude izdana...

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Poželio sam na tren ubiti Urednika. Zamislio sam ga u lokvi krvi na asfaltu nakon što sam ispraznio cijeli spremnik kalašnjikova u njegovu uredničku mješinu. I scena je skroz zabavna, nije uopće tužna. Kroz rupe od metaka, na njegovom tijelu piva što ju upravo pije izlazi u jakim tankim mlazovima (ko kad probušiš bure), a on uopće ne umire.

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Jer takvi ne umiru.

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Nikada!

Zarko Jovanovski

[kratioed]

As much as I don't want Sigyn involved as another character in GOW, I also found this whole speculation of "Angrboða being identical to Sigyn" (along with Váli & Narfi being the same monsters as Fenrir & Jörmungandr) very illogical. As I said in my previous post, despite the limited infomation we have about Angrboða & Sigyn in Norse Mythology, both of them had their own backgrounds and titles/kennings that set them apart as distinct characters, further suggested by the fact that scholars have cited Angrboða, time after time again, as a giantess while Sigyn is classified as an Æsir in the Eddas.

Luckily, I got in contact with one of the editors from the GOW wiki community! I asked them about the speculation part on Angrboða's wiki page...and let's just say there are some issues surrounding the people involved within the wiki community, including horror stories based from this editor's experience.

While the GOW wiki community does have some accurate information regarding the franchise, we should also remind ourselves that fandom wikis shouldn't be taken seriously as actual sources. Fandom wikis tend to go through major changes while occasionally displaying false information in their segments, and the only sources for GOW we should consider are the creators themselves and their official website. Just wanted to throw my two cents out there.

LET ANGRBODA AND SIGYN BE THEIR OWN GODDESSES (and their children be their own too.)

STOP MAKING IT ANGRBODA VS SIGYN or FENRIR, JORY, HEL VS VALI and NARFI!

It's because of things like this that we can't have nice things. Stop pitting them against each other! Angrboda and Sigyn are both wives of Loki, accept it, but please stop discrediting their stories with each other and their children, trying to make one more valid over the other. They are all equally valid and heartbreaking. We need better representation for ALL of Loki's Kin, not more division. Be better.