#kingceit

[grapethegay]

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Someone: Roceit is the angstiest ship.

Me: Nah there's angstier ships my guy

Someone: Oh?

Me: First of all: *presents Dukexiety*

Someone: Okay yeah, fair, that's a pretty angsty ship.

Me: Yes. Now, second of all. *Presents Logicality*

Someone: ...

Me: ...

Someone: Yeah you're going to have to elaborate on that one.

:keepreading:

(Let's see if the keep reading works)

Me: Gladly. Exhibit A:

Logan: All this because Patton can't get over one person?

Patton: Logan, can you stop? Please?

Me: Exhibit B:

Patton: I'm not explaining this philosophy very well... Logan, what would an actual philosopher have to say about what I'm saying?

Logan: *answers, but it makes Patton look bad*

Patton: *skips all*

Someone: Okay but how is that second one angstier than-

Me: HE ASKED FOR LOGAN'S OPINION, AND THEN CLICKED A BUTTON THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE TELLING LOGAN TO SHUT UP BECAUSE HE DIDN'T LIKE LOGAN'S OPINION

Someone: ...

Me: ...

Someone: Wait, yeah! You're right!

Me: Thank you. Also, *presents Royality*

Someone: But-

Me: Have you seen SVS and SVS Redux?

Someone: Yeah but-

Me: So let me point out something. Virgil's first appearance, what does Thomas tell Roman to do when he summons him?

Someone: Get rid of Virgil but that's Prinxiety angst not-

Me: Shhh, I'll get to the point. Okay so at the end of season 1, Virgil ducts out right? Which could mean, in a way, Roman succeeded in doing what Thomas asked him to do.

Someone: Huh... That's actually... Yeah, but, what does that have to do with-

Me: THOMAS AND PATTON GUILT TRIPPED AND GASLIGHTED ROMAN FOR DOING EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS TOLD TO DO

Someone: ...

Me: They were like:

Thomas: Roman why are you so mean to Virgil?

Patton: Yeah Roman, why are you so mean to Virgil?

Roman: *people pleaser tendencies kick in* I don't know... *confused and frustrated* Look I'm literally the embodiment of positivity and he's the embodiment of negativity, maybe that's why?

Someone: Okay, yeah, you have a point.

Me: So yeah, Roman's made to feel like a school yard bully for doing exactly what Thomas asked of him, and is like: "Alright so now I need to be friends with Virgil." And eventually he succeeds. In fact, I'm pretty sure Virgil is Roman's best friend after SVS Redux and Flirting with Social Anxiety.

Someone: True

Me: But then in comes Janus. Something else I'd like to point out about Roman, because his goals and the things he wants for Thomas are always considered selfish by Patton and unrealistic by Logan and Virgil, Roman tends to always end up playing a supporting role for someone else's argument, or completely dismissed for his own. Janus, however, actually fights for Thomas to pick what Roman wants for him.

Someone: Oh yeah! That's like, why I ship Roceit!

Me: Yes! And that's why Roman is like: "I mean, he's not all bad." But Patton is always like: "Roman how could you side with a villain?" And Roman's black and white thinking and people pleasing tendencies kick in and he's like: "You're right. If Deceit is a villain and he's one of the only people that really supports me, then there must be something wrong with what I'm doing."

Someone: Oh no...

Me: So Roman sacrifices his own goals. He sacrifices them even though Thomas admitted he wanted to go to the Callback because he felt so guilty for succeeding because Patton convinced him Janus is the bad guy.

Someone: Yeah... Yeah that's a good point... You really don't like Patton though Huh?

Me: Oh I do love Patton, he just has his moments where he reminds me of past abusers... Also Roman reminds me of people I'm really protective over and I'm basically a mix of Logan, Janus, and Remus (I don't say or do the things Remus says and does but the personality behind that is what I relate to or at least my interpretation of it) so yeah...

Someone: Oh, wow, okay.

Me: Anywho, so once Roman is completely like: "Janus is bad guy" guess what happens? That's right folks, Janus is a good guy now, and Roman is once again nothing but a school yard bully for being mean to him.

Someone: ... Hey wait, yeah!

Me: And don't get me wrong the first time I watched 'Accepting Anxiety' and 'SVS Redux' I thought Roman was being a school yard bully. Then I rewatched Sanders Sides like five or seven times since October.

Someone: Are you okay?

Me: No, but that's irrelevant. This time Patton and Thomas fail to Gaslight Gatekeep Guilt trip Roman into being nice to Janus, because it was easier for Roman to accept someone that fought against him than it is to accept someone who fights for him.

Someone: *crying for Roman*

Me: So yes. Royality is a very angsty ship. You just gotta look into it. Though I consider Roman and Patton more like a father son relationship. I can only really see Patton in a romantic relationship with Logan or Janus and I don't like Logicality so I usually ship Moceit or don't have a ship for Patton. (I make exceptions to this in AUs though.)

Someone: Okay, that has to be all of them right?

Me: ...

Someone: Right?

Me: No. *brings out Kingceit*

Someone: ...

Me: ...

Someone: You win.

[thomas-sanders-shipname-glossary]

Sanders Sides OTP Names

Glossary Masterpost

A list of the shipnames of Sanders Sides Characters that include two people! Orange is included with temporary shipnames until we know more about him, as has been voted in this poll! Ordered by however it made sense to me.

All names with a (*) came from this post by @treenissanderssidesstuff which I found to be fun alternatives. Edit: All Sides/Nico shipnames were made by me (as were the King/Roman and Remus ones), as I haven't found any elsewhere. If you have your own ideas for them, please message me!

1) Patton / Roman - Royality, Royalty*

2) Patton / Logan - Logicality, Motivate *

3) Patton / Virgil - Moxiety, Moxie*

4) Patton / Janus - Moceit, Patceit, Dogma*

5) Patton / Remus - Intruality, Momus, Moduke, Duality*

6) Patton / Thomas - Patmas, Thomality

7) Patton / Nico - Patco, Nitton

8) Patton / King - Moking

9) Patton / Orange - Pange, Oratton, Morange

10) Roman / Logan - Logince, Procudure*

11) Roman / Virgil - Prinxiety, Proximate*

12) Roman / Janus - Roceit, Princeit, Drama Club*

13) Roman / Remus - Remrom, Romrem

! For platonic/familial relationship, please use Creativitwins!

14) Roman / Thomas - Romthom, Romas

15) Roman / Nico - Roco, Niman

16) Roman / King - Roking, Romking, Kingman

17) Roman /Orange - Rorange, Pringe

18) Logan / Virgil - Analogical, Analog*

19) Logan / Janus - Loceit, Decipher

20) Logan / Remus - Intrulogical, Lomus, Reproductive*

21) Logan / Thomas - Lomas

22) Logan / Nico - Loco, Nigan

23) Logan / King - Loking

24) Logan / Orange - Lorange, Logange, Loge

25) Virgil / Janus - Anxceit, Hissterics*

26) Virgil / Remus - Dukexiety, Vimus, Virus*

27) Virgil / Thomas - Thvi, Thomxiety

28) Virgil / Nico - Vico, Nirgil

29) Virgil / King - Kingxiety, Viking

30) Virgil / Orange - Anxange, Virange, Orgil

31) Janus / Remus - Dukeceit, Demus, Remceit, Receit*, Intruceit, Trashnoodle

32) Janus / Thomas - Thomceit

33) Janus / Nico - Janico, Ninus

34) Janus / King - Kingceit

35) Janus / Orange - Oranceit, Jange

36) Remus / Thomas - Intrumas

37) Remus / Nico - Remco, Nimus

38) Remus / King - Intruking, Kingmus

39) Remus / Orange - Intruorange, Intrange

40) Thomas / Nico - Karrot Kings, Pintroverts

41) Thomas / King - Kingmas

42) Thomas / Orange - Thorange, Thomge

43) Nico / King - Kingco, Nicing, Nicoking

44) Nico / Orange - Nicorange

45) King / Orange - Kingange, Kirange

[kingcreativityau]

Also things from my folder I think I forgot to post

[masked-creator]

Kingceit + Baby Virgil = Happiness 

[twofacedbelief]

babe you do not have enough posts for that

what do i have to do to be known as the romulus "king" sanders and kingceit blog

[rondoel]

So! My kingceit highschool au doodles that I made more than a year ago as just a fun concept like ‘What if they were dating before the main story’

And now I’m making this canon so here you go!

[thecrowslullaby]

Merry springmas @rondoel!!!!! Hope you'll have a wonderful spring <3

[incorrect-sanders-sides]

Patton: I just ended a five year old relationship.

Roman: oh my god, are you okay?

Patton: Oh yes I'm fine it wasn't my relationship.

[fandomfollowerart]

King Creativity

Well since that last post blew up- Here’s that fic I was thinking of making! Somewhat King x Janus and King X Virgil. Might make a follow up for like- after the split. Depends on my motivation.

Love wasn’t usually something I thought about. I always had way too many ideas to worry about such a thing. Thomas was still growing, he didn’t need that yet. But, recently, my own love life’s been a bit- strange. I guess if you call ‘being torn between two people’ people strange, that’s what it was. No Disney movie Thomas has ever seen gave any pointer on what to do in this situation. I genuinely cared about both Deceit and Anxiety, I didn’t want to- no- I wouldn’t hurt either of them. As long as I was around I wouldn’t let either of them get hurt. Morality always says bottling up your emotions was bad but- it was the only thing I could think of. This would at least be a temporary fix for the situation. Maybe I’d ask Morality for advice if this became a bigger problem.

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“Come oooon Anxiety. You’ve never been to the Imagination with us. I have something to show you two!” 

Convincing Anxiety to do anything he didn’t want to was definitely a challenging task. I usually didn’t bother but maybe- just this once I could get him to agree this time. Deceit was standing next to me having already agreed. Though his constant lying made it a bit less obvious, I knew he liked going out to the imagination with me. We all enjoyed each other’s company. Anxiety shoved his hands into his pockets. 

“Alright- But just this once.” 

I held a hand out to him. “Yay! Now c’mon. Don’t need you changing your mind on us now.” 

He pulled his hood up, grabbing my hand. “Yeah- let’s go-” 

I smiled at both of them, grabbing Deceit’s arm as well, bringing all three of us to the imagination. 

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“Woah- Romulus.. this is amazing-” 

I watched as both of them stared in wonder. I’d gotten us to the highest part of the Imagination. You could see practically everything from here which made for a pretty amazing view. I sat at the edge of the cliff, dangling my legs over the edge. 

“I like coming here when I have nothing to do. It’s a nice little get away.” 

I had much more free time since I’d fallen out of power and was no longer the strongest. I couldn’t fully complain. I had more time to work on my ideas and spend time with the others. Both sat next to me. 

“It is pretty calming..” 

Anxiety had found his voice, that was a good sign. Deceit was laying on his stomach looking out over everything. 

“You really are amazing King.” he told me, looking up to give me a smile. 

He was definitely the most misunderstood Side here. He was more than just- well- deceit. I loved spending time with him. I loved spending time with both of them. 

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We started talking about random things. Situations we had found ourselves helping in, interactions with Logic and Morality, interesting things we’d been up to, etc. 

“The gloves are new. What’s up with that?” I asked. 

I hadn’t even noticed Dee had been wearing them. He looked away, tucking his hands under his arms. 

“Oh- I just thought they’d be an interesting touch. Just something to update my wardrobe really.” 

That was a lie. Ya see, though Deceit was basically the King of Lying, I’d picked up on a few habits that helped me tell lies from truths. 

“Dee, you know you can lie to me, little snake. What’s the real reason?” 

He sighed, removing one of the gloves, showing the back of his hand. Scales. 

“They showed up like- yesterday- I figured it was best to just cover them…” he explained, still refusing to look at me or Anxiety. 

I ran my hand over the back of his. 

“Dee, your scales are beautiful. You shouldn’t be ashamed of them.” 

He looked over at me, pulling his hand away. 

“Oh- Uh- Thanks-” 

I put a hand on Anxiety’s shoulder. 

“Neither of you should ever feel ashamed of yourselves. Alright? If anyone says otherwise I’ll be happy to have a lovely little chat with them.” 

I was only half joking. I’d protect both of them with my life. Anxiety pulled his hood back up, covering his face. 

“Uggghh. Why do you have to be so sappy?” 

I laughed, nudging his shoulder. “C’mon Spider Boy, you know you appreciate it.” 

He gave me a light shove. 

“Not that I’m not having fun, I think I’m at my limit of socialising for today. Can you take me back to my room?” 

I shrugged, helping him up. “If that’s what you want. You wanna come with Dee? You can stay if you want.” 

He thought about it for a moment. 

“I- think I’ll stay for a bit longer.” he said, sitting up, “I like it up here.” 

I nodded, quickly taking Anxiety back to his room, before heading back to join Deceit. I sat down, flipping his cape to cover his eyes. He hissed, flipping it back out of his face. 

“Real mature King.” he said sarcastically, rolling his eyes.

 He looked back out over the Imagination. 

“Hey, Romulus… What’s Morality and Logic like…? Neither of them really- talk to me… Outside of our job that is.” 

I put my arm around him, looking at the sky. 

“Well, Morality’s pretty nice. Always wanting to do the right thing for Thomas. Logic-” I rolled my eyes at saying the name. As one would expect, he and I didn’t get along. Always shooting down my ideas for be ‘stupid’ or ‘illogical’. “He’s stuck up if you ask me. Always being so literal and shooting down my ideas. It’s annoying.” I flopped onto my back, staring up at the sky. “I think you’d get along pretty well with Morality. Then again, he really tries to get along with everyone.” Next to Dee and Anxiety, me and Patton were pretty close. He’s definitely a fatherly figure. Kinda. “You’re not missing out on much with Logic.” 

He laid next to me, laughing slightly. 

“I might try and talk to them. Wouldn’t hurt to try, right?” 

I turned my body so I could look at him. “I’m sure you can do whatever you put your mind to.” 

God hiding your emotions was harder than I expected it to be.

                                               Virgil’s POV

God damnit- Why did I have to freak out so badly? We were just friends.. All of us were friends.. I curled up on my bed, turning on my music. So why did I feel so… jealous-.. That was the right feeling. I didn’t- want to ruin the friendship all three of us had going on. I valued the friendship I managed to gain with Deceit and didn’t want to ruin the relationship I had with Romulus. I flopped onto my back, staring up at the ceiling. I liked King. Like- really, really liked him. What was I supposed to do with this? What if I just made things awkward? What if I just ruined both relationships I had managed to build with the two Sides? I took a deep breath. Maybe…. it would be better if I just- Pretended it wasn’t there. Ignore it and keep what I have while I have it. I took another deep breath, closing my eyes. I had two friends. Better to keep it then take my chances.

Mini thanks to @kingcreativityau, getting their support on my last post gave me lots of motivation for this

[roseianxiety]

Craving for kingceit fics recently, recommend me some y'all

[loganofthenorth]

Do you have any ships you don't like?

Ever just look into your inbox and realize you have a bunch of asks you forgot about? Ha could be me

That was going to say couldn't be me but auto correct changed it and it's not wrong so I'm leaving it

Anywho, ships I don't like? Yes of course, I have many.

Obviously there's the forbidden ship r*mr*m that shouldn't even be a thing so I'm not going to dignify it with a paragraph

Then there's Logicality which I've written about before. I used to like it, but after rewatching Sanders Sides twice I realized they aren't very healthy for each other in a romantic sense. Patton seems to make Logan out to be the bad guy when he's just trying to help, and Logan tends to snap when his patience runs thin. Also the Skip incident in SVS Redux, where Patton asked for Logan's input before silencing him because Logan's opinion went against his.

Then there's Intruality, I love it in AUs under certain circumstances, but it's a big fat No in cannon. It doesn't work because if you look at Sanders Sides from Remus's perspective, Patton is a manipulative abuser. If you look at Sanders Sides from Patton's perspective, Remus is a bad guy that lashes out for no reason. Like, sure, one could say that they might work through that and think they misunderstood each other. However, neither of them are technically wrong. Besides, considering that Remus exists because his version of creativity was morally frowned upon, and was therefore repressed so that Roman could be a morally appropriate version of creativity, a romantic relationship would be awkward at absolute best. Honestly if they do somehow work on their issues with each other, the best outcome would be that Remus and Patton's relationship would become a sort of father that abandoned his son and now they're reconnecting kind of thing.

Then there's Moxiety, this one is just because I see Patton and Virgil in a father/son relationship. Also, the fact that Virgil is Thomas's fears and fear is an emotion, which Patton has dominion over, it's possible that Patton is actually Virgil's father in the same way that Roman and Remus are brothers. I also believe that the Orange Side is anger, and if that's the case, he would be Patton's son as well.

I can go into that theory in another post though.

Next is Royality, and yes I know, you're probably sensing a pattern.

Now, don't get me wrong. While Patton is my least favourite character, that doesn't mean I hate him. I actually love Patton, especially in episodes like the puppet episode where he shows incredible emotional maturity that is really helpful to Thomas.

I also love how complicated of a character he is, and it's sad that the fandom simplifies him to just a happy, nice, cute, silly character, because he's more than that. He has severe depression, and a lot of issues that come from that. He also grew up taking catholic views to heart, following all the morals Thomas was taught as well as he can.

On top of that, he manages emotions, which is such an incredibly complicated thing to be in charge of. He manages instincts, like when Thomas feels good for doing something good, or when Thomas is hungry, or thirsty, or whatever else. He manages a large percentage of Thomas's likes, dislikes, sense of humour, inner child, and more. Patton has a large mountain of responsibilities, which adds to the complexity of his character.

He also appears to be very manipulative, whether or not he intends to be using manipulation tactics, I don't know. I think his character's too complicated to know that for sure. However, he's done a lot of love bombing, guilt tripping, and other manipulative actions that make him out to be this innocent good guy and anyone that disagrees with him to look like a bad guy.

Due to how complex of a character Patton is, and due to how he has made himself a father figure to most of the sides, it's hard to enjoy him in most ships in cannon. The only ship that works well for him is Moceit, in my opinion, because Janus is working with him to help Patton work through these issues. Patton is also good for Janus because Janus needs to learn how to communicate in a way that doesn't seem like he's attacking or sabotaging Thomas/the other sides.

Now, with that aside, back to Royality.

Royality is a very best friend or father/son relationship. More best friend in AUs and Father/Son in both cannon and AUs. I say more father son in cannon, because Roman has shown a desire to gain Patton's approval. He tries to follow Patton's rules, even though every time he finally manages to meet Patton's impossible standards, suddenly they change and turn around completely. (I have ranted about this several times and will likely do it again in future posts.)

Now, with those out of the way, yes there is more.

Next is Logince

I like Logince in AUs, and it's not that I don't think Logan and Roman's dynamic is amazing, it's not that I think they wouldn't work romantically, I just see them more as a brotherly relationship. Roman treats Logan like an older brother that he fights a lot with, but at the end of the day he just wants to be good enough for Logan. The way they talk about Patton to each other is a lot like Roman being a teenage brother complaining about their Dad and how lame/strict/embarrassing/etc he is to his adult brother.

Then there's Anxceit. This one I don't like because I see Janus as a mother figure to Virgil and Remus. I guess it could work in AUs, but to get their dynamic right, it would probably be a friends to enemies to lovers situation. Like Catradora. Also Janus and Virgil still have a lot of bad blood to work through, so if I'm wrong about the mother/son bond and they were just friends before, then Anxceit would probably have a lot of work to do and an awkward patching up before they can be in a healthy relationship.

Now there's Demus and Roceit. Which, maybe they shouldn't be on this list, because I do like these ships, but I do want to talk about them.

Demus I tend to feel meh about, it's basically dark side Royality. They work as a mother/son dynamic or best friends, not really romantic partners. However, I love them when it's Intruloceit, because I love Loceit and Intrulogical.

Roceit, this is friends to enemies to lovers galore. Roceit is not a healthy ship currently, but it's definitely an entertaining one. Due to Roman's insecurities and Janus using Roman for his greater plan, however, I don't know if a romantic relationship would work in cannon. It depends on where the story goes from where we are right now. However this is the perfect enemies to lovers ship for AUs if you get bored of Prinxiety's popularity.

Now what's interesting about Demus and Roceit is that if you believe in the theory that Roman and Remus were once King Creativity, which I do, and if you've seen the King AU, which I have, that adds all kinds of layers of complicated to Demus and Roceit. Of course, I may go over that in a future post.

Sorry this was so long, I hope you enjoyed my infodump!

[sweetest-honeybee]

The last time I drew either of the Roman or Remus centric Kings was when I still used MediBang lmao but here’s they are, they both need therapy

[kingcreativityau]

man gives a fair warning

first attempt

[rondoel]

(and later king be like “well, apparently they’ll bite ya anyway”)

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[Masterpost]

[nyssaalghul124]

Okay but Janus singing Dad’s Song by Set It Off (about King Creativity, perhaps 👀👀👀) is such a mental image