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Thoughts on sad endings?
I love tragedy, good meaningful tragedy. I cannot tell you how much a good tragedy can outlast every happy ending, and fuel years upon years of fanfiction.
Do you think Shinji and Kowaru would have been enduring if Kowaru didn't die? 13 minutes of screen time and that character stole the entire show.
The problem is so many writers kill off characters without thought to the buildup of tragedy (Game of Thrones).
Its all fine and good to kill off characters left and right (early GoT, Supernatural, Buffy, Charmed every anime ever) but killing off a key main character needs to be impactful. This isn't real life, this is a STORY.
Thorin Oakenshield died in battle, but he won back the mountain, saved his people, he fought and suffered and triumphed and died and it wasn't FAIR but it was a good and just and perfect ending to his story. He didn't live, most people who fight in wars don't live, and every one of those people have incredible meaningful journeys that don't stop being important just because they were cut short.
Tragedies are so so important to me. I love them. (And the fix it fics they inspire)
#good tragedies vs killing your characters for shock value vs burry your gays vs fridging#killing uncle ben and gwen stacy had impact#does anyone bother remembering when they killed off aunt may?#no because they retconned it#because it was stupid#rin's nonsense
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welcome to london, PETER PARKER 3! did anyone ever tell you that you look just like ANDREW GARFIELD? well, no matter, we hear that you are 28 and working as a/an PHOTOJOURNALIST. we also hear that you currently HAVE your memories from MARVEL and have a tendency to be ROMANTIC as well as ABRASIVE.
DEMOGRAPHICS
Name: Peter Parker (3) aka from Earth-120703 Relatives: Aunt May Parker, Uncle Ben Parker - Deceased, Girlfriend Gwen Stacy - Deceased Occupation: Photojournalist Birthday: August 10 Age: 28 Sexual Orientation: Pansexual Moral Alignment: Chaotic Lawful Memory Status: Intact
BACKGROUND
Peter isn’t the same friendly neighborhood spider-man since the death of the love of his life Gwen Stacy. He tried to pick himself up and push forward being the shining symbol that New York needed but it felt off. He struggled for a while as nothing seemed to have any impact, the bad guys always seemed to get free once again and terrorize the streets of Queens killing and doing whatever they wished. It was during this time his rage started to grow, what right did the scum of the earth have to be alive while Gwen’s body lay rotting in the ground?
Spider-man no longer held back when he was called to a scene, his rage taking hold of him as his punches got harder and more aggressive. The change didn’t go unnoticed by the citizens of New York as instead of happiness there was a terror when his name was mentioned. He couldn’t be bothered to care, yet with each win nothing made this horrible dark feeling go away. He knew who was responsible for this and he began the work of tracking down Green Goblin. Gone was any feeling of friendship he held for Harry Osborn, the man had taken his happiness and he’d see him die for it.
Peter isn’t from this universe he was trying to stop Green Goblin(Harry Osborn) from completing an unknown experiment when something went wrong. All Peter can remember about this is a flashing green light as he was thrown through a wall and flung into an alternative universe. Once he came too he had no idea that he was no longer in the world he was called home, it wasn’t until he saw his name and a person he’d never seen before flashing across the screens calling him a menace. Out of his suit and walking these new streets he has one mission, find this version of Peter Parker and figure out how he can get back home to complete his mission. Ensuring the Green Goblin is dead never to harm another again.
Wanted Connections:
Friends: Anyone in the Spider Squad Allies: Works Alone Foes: Sinister Six
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THE BIG PICTURE
▪️Richard Parker takes on a central role in The Amazing Spider-Man films, embedding himself deep in the hero's origin story.
▪️ Richard's presence extends beyond philosophy and genetics, as his research directly leads to Peter becoming Spider-Man.
▪️ A scene showing Richard delivering the famous "With great power comes great responsibility" line to Peter was cut in The Amazing-Spider-Man 2.
Nearly everyone on the planet knows the story of Spider-Man: After being bitten by a radioactive spider, Peter Parker gains arachnid-like abilities and eventually puts them to use defending the innocent when a burglar kills his Uncle Ben. A splash of tragedy was added to the mix when that same burglar was a man that Peter could have easily stopped — hammered home by the fateful words, "With great power comes great responsibility." Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy would drill that motto into the heads of a generation, but Marc Webb's Amazing Spider-Man films — specifically The Amazing Spider-Man 2 — gave that phrase to another character from Peter Parker's past.
That character is none other than Peter's father, Richard (Campbell Scott). In a deleted scene, Richard approaches Peter as he's mourning Gwen Stacy (Emma Stone). The two then have a heart-to-heart, with Richard laying the line about great power and great responsibility on Peter. Not only is this a fundamental shift in how the Spider-Man mythos usually unfurls, but it would have impacted the third Amazing Spider-Man film in ways that no one could have foreseen.
The ‘Amazing Spider-Man’ Films Made Richard Parker Peter’s Central Father Figure
From the jump, Richard played a larger part in the Amazing Spider-Man films. His research into cross-species genetics drives the plot of both films: The Amazing Spider-Man had Curt Connors (Rhys Ifans) attempting to replicate Richard's research but transforming himself into the Lizard. Norman Osborn (Chris Cooper) sought the cross-species research to stave off a death-defying disease that claimed his life and was inherited by his son Harry (Dane DeHaan); Harry eventually became the Green Goblin and had a hand in Gwen's death. Rather than see his life's work being used for nefarious purposes, Richard and his wife Mary attempted to flee, but were presumed dead after a plane crash. By choosing to potentially take his secrets to the grave, Richard embodied the mantra of using great power responsibly — a lesson that Peter's Uncle Ben (Martin Sheen) attempted to pass onto him prior to his death.
But Richard's influence on Peter also extended beyond philosophy. In The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Peter learns that Richard encoded Oscorp's genetically enhanced spiders to only react to Peter's DNA. This means that Peter's father is responsible for him becoming Spider-Man. It would have gone one step further, as The Amazing Spider-Man 3 would have seen Peter using Richard's research to try and resurrect his loved ones. Denis Leary, who played Gwen's father, George Stacy, in both Amazing Spider-Man films, revealed this plot point during an interview with IGN:
I came back briefly in two and possibly in [The Amazing Spider-Man] 3, there was this idea at one point that Spider-Man would be able to take this formula and regenerate the people in his life that had died. So, there was this discussion that Captain Stacy would come back even bigger in episode 3. So, I was like, let’s go!
Ultimately, Sony opted to partner with Marvel Studios to produce a new set of Spider-Man films starring Tom Holland while also focusing on Spider-Man's allies and villains, meaning that this plot point never came to pass.
Richard Parker Has Also Returned in Spider-Man Comics
Richard's return from the grave actually holds roots in various Spider-Man comics. Shortly after Peter faced off against Albert Malik, who donned the mantle of the Red Skull and framed his parents for acts of terrorism, Richard and Mary reunited with their shocked son and claimed that they had been held hostage. But this was a ploy by Harry Osborn and the Chameleon to break Spider-Man; the duo had crafted a pair of lifelike robots and implanted them with false memories. Eventually, the Richard robot engaged Spider-Man in a fierce battle that left the web-slinger shaken. Ultimate Spider-Man by Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Bagley also put its own unique spin on the infamous "Clone Saga" story and brought back Richard, eventually revealing that he was an aged clone of Peter Parker given false memories by Doctor Octopus.
Elements within the comics influenced both Amazing Spider-Man films; in Ultimate Spider-Man, Richard was a scientist working on a project that would change the world and ended up on the wrong side of Bolivar Trask — the creator of the mutant-hunting Sentinels. While the plane crash and return to Peter's life are lifted from the mainstream Marvel universe, it's clear that Webb intended for Richard to play a larger part in Peter's life than intended. The deleted scene would have not only upended everything Spider-Man fans thought, but it would have also provided a new dynamic as Peter — having suffered so much loss — got the chance to reconnect with his father. It's a change that could have made for an intriguing third film, but a risky move that also could have changed the entire Spider-Man mythos as we know it.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is available to stream on Netflix in the U.S.
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Fun little comment I got the other day on one of my posts, but it did get me thinking. This wasn’t really a question asked in good faith, but I’m gonna answer it anyway, because it gives me an opportunity to talk.
I think the ideal superhero story is one that criticizes its heroes relentlessly. The same could be said of any story I suppose, main characters who are challenged to grow are more entertaining to realize about than main characters who remain stagnant. The whole point of a story is conflict, if there is no conflict there is no story. It’s like playing an RPG where you’re level one hundred from the start and kill every enemy in one hit. There’s no point to even playing the game because it’d be awfully dull to just walk right through it.
Of course there is a super hero story where the main character kills everything in one hit, ironically, but even that character is challenged by the depression and emptiness he now feels because despite being the strongest dude in existence his life was otherwise kind of empty.
Superho comics especially seem to relish in relentlessly punishing their heroes. If you look up the lifetime of a single major hero in American comics, Nightwing, Batman, especially Batman their lives are filled with tragic events and people they failed to save. Perhaps that is where the SU)PER in superheoes comes from, they are held to an especially high standard. They live their lives selflessly sacrificing for others over and over and that eventually takes it’s toll on them, because the second part of superhuman is “human.” The thing is I don’t hate heroes in stories. I LOVE heroes.
I just don’t like the heroes in MHA that much.
Let me give an example, with the greatest superhero of all time.
Peter Parket, AKA Spiderman. I’ve read posts about how Matt Murdock isn’t much of a hero because hell’s kitchen is like two blocks in New York and they are bad and incorrect because the best heroes aren’t the ones who save the world, the best ones are the ones who don’t have that power and then do their best anyway. Spiderman is at his best as a character when he is just your friendly neighborhood Spiderman, he’s a local hometown hero, he patrols New York, he is really bad at balancing his love life, his job, and his time as spiderman. He is a person before he is a hero, and a very flawed person at that.
Spiderman’s very origin is his failure to save someone, because when suddenly given amazing spider powers, regular kid Peter Parker, kind of bullied, kind of put-upon immediately uses his powers to become a pro-wrestler and a television star. A pretty selfish use of his powers, but Peter is a teenager at this point. Coming home from one of his television appearances Peter sees a burglar being chased by a security guard. The guard calls out to Peter for help, but Spidey refuses on the grounds that catching crimminals is not his job.
When Peter later comes home that day, he discovers that his Uncle Ben had been killed by a burglar. Outraged, Peter dons his wrestling outfit and then goes to hunt the man down, only to discover that it was the same man he let go earlier that day. Peter could have easily stopped the man right then and prevented Uncle Ben’s death. Ben’s dying words are what save him however, that with great power comes great responsibility, rather than continuing to use his powers for his own gain he decides to selflessly devote himself to fight crime.
But it doesn’t stop there. One of the most famous story arcs of Spiderman of all time is him once again failing to save someone, and this is not Peter as a fledgling hero but rather when he had been Spiderman from some time. The Death of Gwen Stacy, and yes yes, Gwen didn’t deserve to be sacrificed for Peter’s character development, women in fridges and all that, but there’s a reason this storyline is famous and it’s because it’s IMPACTFUL it mattered in the comics years, even decades after the story was originally published. Here’s an example, the trope “women in refridgerators” was coined by Gail Simone after Kyle Rayner’s girlfriend who was killed and then stuffed into a refrigerator for him to find. Do you even know what Kyle Rayner’s girlfriend name was? However, Gwen Stacy is at least remembered which means there is something about her plotline that works, and for me it’s because it centers around this theme of “failure” again.
Peter, young and in love, failed Gwen Stay in a lot of ways, Peter’s whole character revolves around this idea of his many responsibilities and how he has a hard time balancing these things because he is just one person. One of the early storylines is in fact, Peter failing to save Gwen’s father from Doctor Octopus, which makes him overprotective of her, to the point of not telling her his secret identity ostensibly “for her protection.” What sets off the plotline that leads to the Gwen Stacy’s death however, is one Norman Osborn aka The Green Gobling, the only one at the time to know Peter’s secret identity.
Due tot hat fact, he decides to target Gwen Stacy as a way of getting at Peter. Gwen Stacy with no idea who Spiderman, unaware of this incredibly dangerous aspect of Peter’s life that she is involved with due to being in proximity to him is taken completely off guard and easily captured. Spiderman at the time is also incredibly sick and off his game, because once again Peter Parker is someone who will work himself to death trying to take care of his one million responsibilities.
Goblin at that point threatens Gwen Stacy’s life on the top of a bridge in order to get Peter to give up his identity of Spiderman, of course he’s not going to do that so he fights with Goblin like it is any other hero and villain confrontation. Goblin manages to slip past him and knock her off the bridge, and then you know what happens next. However, what most people don’t remember is what made Gwen Stacy’s death so effective is for a moment it looks like Peter has saved her. Peter, in a moment of borderline arrogance even quips about it because webbing people to catch them from falling buildings is something he has done a hundred times before this.
Only to learn that it was Peter’s method of saving her by catching with her web that delivered her untimely death, as the force of falling and then suddenly coming to a stop snapped her neck. Peter believes he’s saved her until he cradles the body and finds she’s not moving, and after that has an emotional breakdown repeating to himself over and over again that he’s saved her.
Now, I don’t believe it’s Peter’s fault because it was genuinely an accident, and Goblin is the one who chose to throw her off the bridge as a way of getting at Peter. The same way you could say Uncle Ben’s death is not Peter’s fault because he had no way of knowing the robber would later shoot his uncle. Yet, both times it seems like a failure of the main character, because heroes are supposed to save people, when they don’t save someone something’s gone wrong.
Peter, overconfident at that point despite the fact he is sick, and off his game goes in swinging against Green Goblin, and you can even say he focused more on defeating the Green Goblin in a physical fight then the immediate danger to Gwen’s life. He also is way overconfident when he does try to web her to save her, which is what directly leads to him snapping her neck because he just wasn’t thinking about the danger of a fall from that high.
There is also the added element of Peter never telling Gwen about his secret identity, she never knew her life was in danger to any one of Peter’s enemies who would have wanted to target her to get to him. Would she have dated him if she knew this was the case? We never knew because Peter never gave her that choice.
“Gwen: As much of a victim of Spiderman’s lifestyle as Peter Parker? “
The comic itself brings this up, Goblin was the one who killed her, and yet Peter failed in his responsibility towards her in a way. Gwen Stacy’s death becomes a last point of guilt and trauma for Peter that he continues to struggle with, it adds a deep personal conflict for him. There are later comics where Peter remembers what happens to Gwen and tries to do better to make up for what he has lost.
Now, let me compare this to one of the more recent happenings in MHA, a case where a hero has failed to save someone. Bakugo dies in the fight against ShigAFO, and SHIGAFO pointed out that if heroes are going to put inexperienced children on the front lines some of them are going to die.
We have this same setup as we did with the Green Goblin. The villain threatens the loved one of a hero in order to hurt them, the hero fails to arrive to save them. Even if it is the fault of ShigAFO for being the one who killed Bakugo, the heroes still played a role in it, because they made the decision to bring him to the frontlines of a battlefield and directly put his life in danger. The same way that Peter not telling Gwen Stacy his identiity meant she was totally unaware of the danger that would have come with dating him.
Peter tries his absolute best to save Gwen, he made a promise to her father that he would always protect her, he was fighting against Goblin with everything on the line, and yet he still doesn’t save her because of one moment of overconfidence where he thinks webbing her will be enough. Peter as a hero is not perfect, and he cannot save everyone, and Gwen Stacy’s death is a cruel but effective lesson to him in that, and yet his ability to pick himself up and keep going after such a terrible loss and even learn from it to make sure that he doesn’t make the same mistake twice results in character development. However, what happens after Bakugo dies?
LIterally one chapter later, the heroes conveniently have a way to restart his heart with a hero named Edgeshot who has been a background character the entire time. Did anyone know he could do this? Was this foreshadowed and established in any way? People made jokes about this plot twist for weeks because it makes no sense, but for the most part they didn’t care because they wanted Bakugo back... but is the plotline better served if he just immediately pops back up because the plot convenience fairy waved her magic wand?
Imagine if this had happened to Gwen. Gwen got her neck snapped, and then the next issue she just popped back up alive like “Hey, just kidding Peter!” or, while Peter is holding her body some guy just comes along and says he has the super power to heal broken necks. One of the most compelling stories in Spiderman’s history, would have ended up being really lame.
I’d also like to mention I’m a fan of Gwen Stacy’s character. In fact, Gwen Stacy and Mary Jane are two of my favorite female comic book characters of all time, because unlike most comic book love interests they were their own people, with their own little lives, thoughts and feelings they didn’t revolve around Peter. However, the plotline is effective because Gwen Stacy Dies. A story where a hero fails will always be more exciting than the one where the heroes always succeed, because their failures are what makes you sympathize with them. Peter Parker is not perfect, far from it in fact. If you’ve watched the movie “Spiderverse” Peter B Parker in that was super popular with audiences, and at the same time he was a man-child divorcee who is scared of having kids because he’s not mature enough to have them with really bad depression and all of those flaws he had was what made the audience connect with him.
I would argue also that the heroes are compelling characters for the first three arcs of MHA, because they consistently fail. The tournament arc Shoto is completely isolated because no one notices the trauma his father has inflicted upon it, and he doesn’t start to come into his own as a person until Deku reaches out to him. Shinso feels failed by his adult mentors because they didn’t give him a fair shot at pursuing his dream at becoming a hero.
Iida himself fails as a hero when he decides to try to kill Stain out of vengeance for his brother, not only does he fail that but Midoriya and Shoto nearly die as well and are put in harms way because they helped him against Stain. In the camp raid arc, Deku saves the little boy yes, but because he compeltely destroyed his body fighting against Muscular he fails to rescue Bakugo and he’s kidnapped. In the Overhaul arc, Mirio and Deku don’t save Eri when they have the chance and then feel horrible crushing guilt when they realize she is going to suffer more abuse because they didn’t save her right then. Mirio in trying to make up for letting more harm come to Eri, even has to sacrifice his quirk to a quirk erasing bullet because he can’t let her get hit any more times.
During the Pro-Hero arc, Enji is told by his whole family basically none of them care that he defeated a villain, because he hasn’t made up to them the abuse they suffered under him in any way.
The heroes are compelling characters when the story is about their failures, because they are characters, human, flawed, capable of improvement. However, after a certain turning point in the story all criticism of the heroes basically stopped.
When the public is rightfully upset that the heroes are not doing their jobs, you know their government jobs as protectors of society, the things they get paid for (spiderman does this for free you know he doesn’t get anything out of it) Uraraka gave a big speech on how people need to be EASIER ON THE HEROES, because look how much THEYRE SUFFERING.
When Hawks kills Twice, when Enji’s own son reveals himself as a villain, basically the only consequence they have to face is making an insincere apology at a press conference. Enji did not even write his own apology, Hawks wrote it for him.
The story is no longer about the heroes failing, instead we get the story telling us over and over again how good the heroes are at protecting people, how noble they are.
This whole speech reads as kind of preachy and insincere considering that the heroes right now are wielding all their power to beat up three children who were in fact not saved by heroes, Enji destroyed Toya’s life, Toga watched her best friend get murdered by a hero, Nana abandoned Kotaro, and when All Might had the chance to reach out to Shigaraki knowing he was Nana’s grandson and that he had been captured by AFO for who knows how long he just didn’t do anything.
Peter isn’t a moral paragon, he’s a whiny asshole at times, an overconfident brat however what makes him a hero is that he has all of these flaws and he keeps trying. The heroes in MHA are also flawed, but the story acts as if they aren’t, and nothing is their fault anymore. Which is why I’m critical of the heroes, because I am hoping they will finally show some character development and go back to being the compelling characters they were in the first half of the story. If the heroes are making mistakes here, then the plot should recognize them and challenge them to do better. If the heroes are perfect... then why is this story even about them?
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You've written before about Peter Parker and legacy characters (with respect to Jon Kent). Do you have any thoughts on Miles Morales? Personally, I think he only really started "clicking" for people after Spider-Verse, which did a lot to rework him from Bendis' run.
In much the same way as Nubia, Miles has historically been a concept that people liked the idea of rather than a character people were attached to.
First some disclaimers: I only really followed Miles when he was in the Ultimate Universe. Quickly got bored of his 616 ongoing and since then I've only kept an occasional eye on him. So comics Miles may have evolved since my impression of him, and perhaps he's really achieved great success under Ahmed. Under Bendis he was Peter Jr. and to some degree that remains true even after Into the Spider-Verse and Insomniac fleshed him out. As Miles he's subdued and laid back, and as Spider-Man he talks trash and quips which is more or less the Peter dynamic on the dual identities. He was motivated by two deaths, first of Ultimate Peter and then of his mom. Both are no longer part of his origin and background so I have no clue what motivates him now beyond the "great power" mantra.
Powers wise he has the same as Peter plus invisibility and Venom Blast a.k.a the mandatory electric power that all black superheroes seemingly must have. God I hate Venom Blast, in the comics under Bendis it was the fucking answer for everything. Opponent out of Miles' league? Not with Venom Blast! Honest to God I was seriously wondering if Bendis was going to have him beat Galactus by using that cheat on him during the Cataclysm crossover. Fucking worked on Blackheart! Using that ability took all the fun and creativity out of the fights, Miles used it to win every time. Just got annoyed and fed up with the spamming after a while. His old costume was fine, new one feels more like what he would start out wearing before getting an "official" costume.
Stories wise Miles debuted when Bendis' decompression reached it's absolute peak. Really enjoyed the first couple of issues of Miles up until his mom died, that was the point where Bendis seemed to lose the plot. Stories after the time-skip never had the same energy as prior, Miles himself was rather bland and never developed as a character beyond adhering to the basic Spider-Man archetype. Was not alone in this assessment, many Miles fans started complaining about Bendis' storytelling choices towards the end of his run. Introducing a potential new friend in Judge, who would also be Miles' first black friend, Bendis pretty much completely ignored the character later on and it wasn't until Ahmed that Judge started to shine I hear. Introducing potentially interesting new characters or concepts and then abandoning them or not tying them up was a hallmark of the the final issues of the Bendis era and all it served to do was leave Miles feeling undercooked.
Annoyingly Miles has received a ton of shilling both in-universe and out. Peter has praised his costume as being "better than his", countless characters have said Miles is important and amazing, there's tons of puff pieces about how Miles should be the one and only Spider-Man and Peter should retire, etc, etc. All of that and yet... we're at his 10th Anniversary and Miles still can't match Peter in terms of where Peter was on his 10th Anniversary? By the time Peter was 10 he had already amassed a sizeable Rogues Gallery, supporting cast, and love interests that would stand the test of time. Multiple stories that showcased different aspects of his character and were bold in terms of storytelling, George Stacy died 8 years into Peter's real world existence, Gwen Stacy herself would die just short of the 11th year mark. You could argue that killing off Miles mom was the equal of that except one, it was clearly meant to give Miles an Uncle Ben moment in addition to Peter's death, and two, they undid it so it really doesn't have the same impact as killing off George and Gwen which were watershed moments for comics and who have stayed dead.
Far as I can tell Miles is still getting by via cribbing stuff from Peter. Let's run through the list:
His highest profile love interest is Spider-Gwen aka an alternate reality version of Peter's dead girlfriend in 616.
His highest profile story is an adaption of Spider-Verse which in the comics was created for and mainly starred Peter. Comics Miles has mainly been redoing Peter's stories, know they just finished redoing the Clone Saga for Miles recently as an explicit example.
His highest profiles villains are... who exactly? Know Ahmed's been building up "Ultimatum" who is an alternate universe Miles Morales (isn't he the original 616 Miles from Spider-Men 2?), and I think there have been others but none that we can really call his arch nemesis. Compare where Miles Rogues are now to what Peter had at the same point in time and Peter completely outclasses him.
Looking at Miles I see a character that is utterly enveloped in his predecessor's shadow. Isn't even really Miles' fault to be fair, legacy heroes all struggle with this problem. He has it worst than most however because the guy he's competing with is the most popular hero on the planet (not named Batman) and who can never truly be sidelined or replaced. To be accepted as a legit "Spider-Man" Miles has to act in a similar way as Peter, because that's who Spider-Man is.
What Miles Brings To The Table
Now that I've thoroughly dumped on him let's get into what Miles brings to the table. People who say "nothing" are being dishonest. For starters Miles is a second generation hero and that brings with it a very interesting perspective. When Peter started being a hero he had no clue what that would entail. The Age of Superheroes hadn't really kicked off yet within the Marvel Universe, Peter didn't have any clue what batshit insane challenges he would be facing. Everything from mad scientists, to superpowered crime syndicates, to aliens, to magic, and every other conceivable threat would confront him at some point. Miles however has come of age seeing all that play out. He knows the threats that a hero has to face. Most importantly he knows that a hero or their loved ones can die, he knows that Spider-Man or his loved ones can die. To choose to put on a mask anyway helps showcase a very underrated aspect of the Marvel heroes: they're every bit as inspirational as the DC ones, flawed as they are. Civilians like Miles admire the Marvel heroes, look up to them, respect them for the work they do to protect people. If everyone hated Spider-Man then it doesn't make any sense for Miles to take the name, why would you take the name of someone everyone hates? Peter might focus too much on the naysayers, but there absolutely is a contingent of people who admire him and Miles is one of them. Getting to be Spider-Man is what so many kids dream of in the real world and Miles is the lucky one who gets to live that dream even with the costs. That gives him the relatability that is key to Spider-Man's appeal.
Superhero fandom within the MU plays a role in Miles friend circle as well. Kamala Khan aka Ms. Marvel is another well-known superhero fangirl, and the Champions group as a whole is composed mainly of legacies. Within that group Miles has the opportunity to explore themes of living up to the expectations of the name he's inherited, his frustrations about being a hero, and to talk about what kind of hero he wants to be with his peers. Looking at his predecessor, how can Miles do better? Unfortunate that the Champions as a concept were executed so poorly by Waid initially, making them the team more interested in social justice makes sense given their youth.
Another aspect of Miles is of course the racial aspect. He's black and Latino, that opens up storytelling avenues not available to Peter. His friend Ganke is Korean-American and you can explore interracial friendship with the two. Having two parents from different racial backgrounds also adds different storytelling opportunities. How does Miles embrace, reject, or not register his biracial identity? What does it mean to him in relation to his civilian life and his heroics? Heard Ahmed has incorporated this into Miles more which is good. Bendis tried to play it down and that just left Miles feeling boring. Identity adds flavor to a character and makes them interesting.
Into the Spider-Verse and Insomniac both had the same great idea of making Miles "gifted" in ways other than Peter. ITSV Miles is a musician and Game Miles is an artist. Apparently comics Miles is being positioned as a writer? Those are all great ideas, the basic concept of Miles not being a science geek is perfect. Avoids retreading Peter's background, and Miles not being a scientific genius means that he won't be able to rely on the same skillset as Peter to get out of trouble. Leaning on Ganke for scientific help is still my preferred way of getting Ganke involved more. Plus Miles having to involve his friend in his crime-fighting makes for a nice contrast with Peter being mainly a solo act for most of his early career.
Finally Miles greatest asset might be a weird plus but it's there: he's the Spider-Man editorial wishes Peter was. By that I mean young and unmarried. Marvel wants Peter to be back in high school but they can't bring themselves to reboot him. With Miles they finally have a Spider-Man to sate that obsession with high school Spidey. Let Peter get married and have problems related to that, Miles should be the one worrying about what his career will be, where he wants to go to college, and whether or not he should leave NYC. Nobody is clamoring for Miles to get married so he can fill that niche for decades, and if they never let him get married then they won't have to sell his marriage to Satan. Also it would make Peter fans who view him warily as a threat to ease off since his existence would let Peter start developing again, instead of the weird status quo of Marvel having TWO young bachelor Spider-Men.
Can't help being jealous of Miles, Mayday was my favorite legacy Spider and he's taken the #2 spot from her in the public eye. Those who hate him are shit out of luck because he's not going anywhere. You can't get a single piece of Spider-Man media without Miles in it these days (except for the MCU I guess). Hasn't been a more successful legacy character since Wally West became the Flash so for better or for worse Miles is sticking around. Let's hope the next 10 years do more to establish his world as separate from Peter and that he can bring new life to the Spider-Man franchise.
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Have you ever noticed that ( PETER PARKER 3 ) from the ( MARVEL UNIVERSE ) looks a lot like ( ANDREW GARFIELD )? But ( HE ) also go/goes by ( SPIDER-MAN ). Having the ability to/of (PRECOGNITIVE SPIDER-SENSE ABILITY, SPIDER PHYSIOLOGY) sure makes them a force to be reckoned with. They’re known to be ( ROMANTIC ) but also ( ABRASIVE) and they’re ( 28 ) years old.
Basics:
character name: Peter Parker (3)
age: 28
faceclaim: Andrew Garfield
skill set: Genius-level Intellect, Skilled Scientist and Engineer, Heightened Athletic Abilities, Superhuman Physical Abilities, Wall-Crawling and Webbing Ability, Precognitive Spider-Sense, Rapid Healing, Master Combatant, Web-Influenced Gadgets
family: Aunt May Parker, Uncle Ben Parker - Deceased, Girlfriend Gwen Stacy - Deceased
zodiac: Leo
wiki link: MCU & Comics
Peter canon will be surrounding the MCU build of the Amazing Spider-man and I have tagged this with the No Way home Spoilers just in case.
Canon Background:
Peter isn’t the same friendly neighborhood spider-man since the death of the love of his life Gwen Stacy. He tried to pick himself up and push forward being the shining symbol that New York needed but it felt off. He struggled for a while as nothing seemed to have any impact, the bad guys always seemed to get free once again and terrorize the streets of Queens killing and doing whatever they wished. It was during this time his rage started to grow, what right did the scum of the earth have to be alive while Gwen’s body lay rotting in the ground?
Spider-man no longer held back when he was called to a scene, his rage taking hold of him as his punches got harder and more aggressive. The change didn’t go unnoticed by the citizens of New York as instead of happiness there was a terror when his name was mentioned. He couldn’t be bothered to care, yet with each win nothing made this horrible dark feeling go away. He knew who was responsible for this and he began the work of tracking down Green Goblin. Gone was any feeling of friendship he held for Harry Osborn, the man had taken his happiness and he’d see him die for it.
Peter isn’t from this universe he was trying to stop Green Goblin(Harry Osborn) from completing an unknown experiment when something went wrong. All Peter can remember about this is a flashing green light as he was thrown through a wall being flung into an alternative universe. Once he came too he had no idea that he was no longer in the world her called home, it wasn’t until he saw his name and a person he’d never seen before flashing across the screens calling him a menace. Out of his suit and walking these new streets he has one mission, find this versions Peter Parker and figure out how he can get back home to complete his mission. Ensuring the Green Goblin is dead never to harm another again.
Sokovia Accords:
In Peter’s world nothing like this ever happened, and reading about it he refuses to ever sign a document allowing the world to know who he is. He’d burned many bridge taking on a more darker route in his way of crime fighting, if people knew he was none would ever be safe again.
Wanted Connections:
Friends: Anyone in the Spider Squad
Allies: Works Alone
Foes: Sinister Six
Anything else?
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War of the Realms Strikeforce: Land of Giants Thoughts
This was recommended to me and I’m rather glad it was.
I’ve said before that the best Marvel Team-Up story was in fact...Spider-Man vs. Wolverine. The intended irony of course being SvW executed MTU’s intentions better than any MTU issue itself ever did.
In a similar vein this story is perhaps the best New Avengers issue we’ve ever had, at least as far as Spider-Man was concerned.
Don’t get it twisted, I’m not saying this type of story should be the norm for Spider-Man, either in its setting or tone. Nor that New Avengers should’ve written Spider-Man like this every issue.
But in New Avengers Spider-Man seemingly existed 99% of the time to provide (bland) quips or ‘funny bits’ and otherwise to be a body to throw against bad guys along with everyone else. Little exploration of his character occurred, little use of his personality bouncing off of anyone else’s defined personality occurred. It didn’t help he often was in settings and stories Spider-Man doesn’t really belong in.
This issue weirdly follows in New Avengers footsteps as far as making Spider-Man the ‘funny guy’ and putting him in a setting he doesn’t belong in.
But unlike New Avengers stories this story goes further with that, brings in a dash of Spider-Man’s actual personality beyond being the quipper and embraces it’s premise.
As an ongoing this would probably suck. If this was in a main Spider-Man title it’d probably suck. If it was indeed outside of Spider-Man’s main title but still impacting upon him somehow it’d probably suck.
Because this issue is an odd duck in that it’s Spider-Man’s story but is not a Spider-Man story if you see what I mean.
Allow me to clarify.
A Spider-Man story traditionally is street level, grounded, personal, revolves around more relatable issues and the like. You see where I am getting at.*
This story is nothing like that. Spider-Man’s primary relationship is with a talking flying horse for God’s sake!
However because the story is from Spider-Man’s POV it is in essence his story.
And Taylor (of the current FNSM run fame) does a deft job with the assignment.
By making this a one shot that isn’t even labelled as a Spider-Man story it alleviates expectations from readers. It in essence makes it okay we are seeing a story about Spider-Man talking to a magic horse queen.
It also helps that the whole story doesn’t take itself too seriously. Unlike Bendis’ brand of quips for quips sake, inserting them into serious situations where they didn’t belong, Taylor hits what I call ‘the One Piece sweet spot’.
One Piece is a popular manga/anime franchise from Japan. It is an epic adventure full that strikes a deleicate balance between something of a gag machine, an action thriller and a heartbreaking tragedy.
The gags allow you to accept the absurdity of something like Spider-Man, Cap, Wolverine, Luke Cage and Iron Fist riding flying horses to fight Frost Giants. By rights this isn’t really the best setting or type of story for any of these characters but the gags allow you to go with it.
But there is just the right amount of pathos and gravitas and action at the right moments for there to be a level of genuine emotion to resonate with you.
You go from:
“Oh my God Spider-Man is befriending a talking flying horse queen. That’s so absurd it’s awesome”
To:
“*sob* The talking flying horse queen died. I’m so sad right now”
I think the secret ingredient holding this together is the fact that
a) It’s Spider-Man himself who’s the focus character and
b) His narration is a framing device, specifically one addressed to MJ
Spider-Man is a less gritty character compared to Luke, Danny, Steve or Logan. Of them he’s the least likely to kill and the least likely to be described as a warrior (though he is one of a fashion).
He’s the most like us basically, thus this specific setting, in spite of it being so far removed from traditional Spider-Man fare, works well to emphasis the relatability at the core of the character.
He doesn’t want to fight in a war. He’s the least at home there arguably. After all Cap and Wolverine are clear cut veterans. Danny is a trained warrior and Luke knows what it is to grow up trying to survive desperately.
This isn’t in disparagement of Peter, but rather it places him in a more sympathetic position, akin to a soldier far from home, not wanting to be there, uneasy about his presence on foreign ground, unsettled by the violence of war and trying to keep going by focussing his memories on his ‘girl back home’. Taylor found a way to bring in the ‘normal Average Joe’ aspect of Spider-Man into a setting where by rights it has no place, a setting which doesn’t invite ‘Peter Parker’ but rather just generic superhero Spider-Man.
That’s another way in which this story is weirdly connected to SvW actually. In that story Peter was also unsettled by violence, ruminating on MJ and thrown off kilter by a new unfamiliar setting and gets an up close look at death. Of course death is no stranger to Spider-Man, but a death amidst battle is a little different to something like Gwen Stacy or Uncle Ben’s death.
There is another connection though, and as obvious as it is to spell out...it’s Wolverine. This story could hardly be called a Spider-Man/Wolverine story but this story does bounce them off of one another very well. Wolverine is something of a shit stirrer who messes with Spider-Man and doesn’t wholly take him seriously (in character for him). Spider-Man is meanwhile uses him as the straight man to his humour. But there is an element of respect between them with Wolverine clearly empathising with Peter’s grief over Arctorius. This adds up, not only because Logan has seen much death in his long life, but because he has a kinship with the animal kingdom and understands all too well the loss of a comrade in arms.
So does Cap, who also shows a little empathy after Arctorius’ death. Indeed Peter and Steve’s relationship, whilst it doesn’t go as far as it could, is done quite well because Peter’s respect and admiration for Cap is clear cut and Cap gets what kind of person Peter is. Him recommending a shield is a small, obvious, yet very nice moment between the two that in a way speaks volumes.
Luke and Danny don’t share much with Spider-Man in the story but along with Logan and Cap are great inclusions in relation to Spider-Man.
Cap and Logan are soldiers who in a way are larger than life. You could see them as older brothers to Spider-Man but one who looks after you and the other likes you but trolls you too. Danny and Luke meanwhile are more street level guys like Peter. Any of these guys wouldn’t be bad options for a Spidey team up story and all are out of place in this setting. But when put together their ‘out of placeness’ works.
Helping things along is that the action is decent enough, Spider-Man’s shield attack being the clear cut highlight.
Arctorius is of course the highlight though. In a few pages Taylor makes you invest in this ridiculous concept and character and buy her relationship with Spider-Man. Thus her death and the issue’s end is poignant and resonates nicely, sad as it is.
As a final pro, Spider-Man is referred to as a jester.
This is actually a decent way of reconciling Spider-Man into a high fantasy setting. I prefer JMS’ idea of Spider-Man as the ‘trickster’ but jester works well. Even Thor in older stories has observed Spider-Man’s humour is a mask for his insecurities and Arctorius’ labelling him a jester isn’t derisive. He’s a jester warrior.
Now it ain’t perfect.
I’m no Iron Fist expert so I don’t know how fair this is, but I feel Danny was written a bit too comedic in this story to the point of being out of character.
Additionally when it came time for everyone to list of their berserker rages Spider-Man’s fell flat. It’s played off as Spider-Man is just too nice and wholesome to have such rages when there is a clear history of him having them. Death of Gwen Stacy anyone? In isolation it was a decent if predictable joke, but it’s not true to Spider-Man’s history. You could always No. Prize it but I feel it came off more like Taylor not remembering or thinking through the dialogue.
All in all I highly recommend this issue as a fun detour. It deserves your money more than League of Realms.
*Now there can be exceptions like the JMS run, but he was wise enough to temper the magic and mysticism by grounding it in more a more relatable setting most of the time or connected to more clearly defined Spider-Man topics and subject matter. For example a mystically empowered villain abducted children to the Astral plane prompting Spider-Man to go there and save them. Sounds out of place right? Well yes but the villain in question is a common crook who got lucky, he’s abducting Peter’s underprivileged students, Spidey needed to do regular street level investigation to figure out the guy’s game and saving the kids made him miss a date with MJ.
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Essay essay pls! I actually enjoyed the TASM films but I watched them when I was like, 10, so my actual perception of them is super skewed
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I usually never talk much about things I hate because I don’t wanna care about things I hate. it’s a waste of time and nerves. but given that you asked nicely, and that I have a lot to say, and that I should sleep but we all know it never plays out, let’s go.
right off the bat, I want to say that I believe you can change some things about characters or stories if adapting them for the silver screen either requires it, or the director has a really good idea as to how the character should be done. that being said, I also believe there’s a line you can’t cross. you either change the character to be more appealing and to have them resonate with the audiences more (see: Thor in Thor: Ragnarok, Guardians of The Galaxy), or to have it fit the story better (see: Mandarin in Iron Man 3). I have no problem when a director goes ‘I have an idea for this character’ and he actually has, let him do it. however, when you change too much about a story (see: Civil War) or a character, they become unrecognizable and completely off. you ever read Superior Spider-Man? they become that. a shell of someone we know but with completely different behaviour, manners, mind, and character for that matter. you can’t change a character to this point, because it ruins them. say Iron Man doesn’t drink alcohol at all, he’s a granddad of a random kid taken from the streets, and kills innocent people. doesn’t really sound well, huh?
and that’s the huge problem with that small series of films. the producers don’t understand Spider-Man (don’t @ me with Spider-Verse, Sony didn’t touch Spider-Verse, it was written by the ever great Phil Lord and Chris Miller), and they never will because they frankly don’t give a shit. they ruined Spider-Man 3 by forcing Raimi to put Venom in there despite Raimi not being able to handle the material and not being interested in that character. reason why they made the TASM films? money. reason why they keep the rights to Spidey? money. so since they don’t understand Spider-Man, they can’t make a good Spidey movie as long as it’s them making that movie.
I also want to add that I like crap movies. Spider-Man 3 is half a solid movie, but you can’t have a bad time while watching it - it’s hilarious, has great action scenes, the characters feel like characters, and the tone is consistent. Venom movie wise is like 4/10, it has 2 prologues, and 179 plot holes and/or stupid choices, but it’s entertaining, funny (even when unintentionally), has some very good dialogues, and the Venom/Eddie relationship (right along with Tom Hardy himself) saves the movie. so I like crap movies when they’re fun, comedy gold, or just so stupid that you can’t help but laugh (see: Twilight). but when a movie is shit, and does none of those things, I can’t sit through it.
with all that said, here goes: reasons why The Amazing Spider-Man movies suck balls and are offensive towards the character of Spider-Man:
comic wise:
- Peter Parker - let’s google Peter Parker.
caring. kind. loyal. brave. scared. worried. intelligent.
that’s the basic core aspect of Peter Parker. you can’t change the core of a character or else they become a different person. the core aspect is what makes them them. Peter Parker is ‘with great power comes great responsibility’, he’s a struggling one because he made a choice to save lives and that choice often ruins his day-to-day life, he’s constantly trying to be a better man, but all while bad things are happening, he remains kind, loving, caring, loyal, respectful, and worth of the powers he’s carrying.
TASM Peter Parker? that dude’s a selfish dickhead. i could go scene by scene to prove my point, but off the top of my head, he:
stalks, creeps, breaks (important) promises, is rude 24/7 towards his aunt and uncle, risks people’s lives, damages public property and doesn’t even say sorry, sneaks into Oscorp by stealing someone’s righteously earned intern badge (plus literally laughing at the guy who got kicked out bc of him, what the hell).
other than that, Andrew Garfield does not look socially awkward or nerdy in the slightest. the movies are really trying to portray him as one and terribly fail. he’s not a good fit for this Spidey. Superior Spidey? yeah, that asshole, sure. I’m not saying he’s a bad actor, he’s an amazing actor. he’s just not good for the role of Peter Parker.
I mentioned Thor before and how making him a goofball actually worked out fine, and that’s because the core aspect of him never disappeared. he’s still Thor, courageous, righteous, loving, kind, but with more jokes. Peter Parker is a nerdy outcast, he’s socially awkward like 95% of the time, and doesn’t even know how to walk straight. Andrew’s Spidey? obnoxious-skateboarding-cool-looking-Edward-Cullen-like-tall-and-model-like cute. I have no words.
to add to his terrible traits, Peter’s only motivation to put on the red-and-blue spandex is revenge. revenge. I don’t care about that scene where he’s sitting with his mask wondering if he should go after the Lizard. that doesn’t mean a thing. it would if his behaviour changed, but it never did. he made a mask and then a suit so people wouldn’t see who commits the crimes (assaulting at nights while looking for Ben’s killer, that’s crime), that’s down-right fucked up. this is not Spider-Man. speaking of…
- Spider-Man - he doesn’t care about people’s lives at-freaking-all, and it just wounds me. he jokes around while people are being murdered (see: TAMS2 scene with the Rhino where he didn’t stop Rhino when he had the chance, instead letting him run over tens of people and kept. on. joking., or putting on a fireman’s hat while people are being killed). jokes? what jokes? that guy’s a jackass. he threatens a man saying he’d kill him if he’d be the one who killed uncle Ben. he publicly humiliates a guy, I don’t care if he’s a criminal.
see this:
(the amazing s-m #797)
vs this
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- Ben Parker - he’s 100% useless in the movie. in the comics and in the Raimi’s movies, he plays a huge role. he’s Peter’s moral compass right along with May Parker, which…
- May Parker - her presence in the movie is pointless. she’s got no impact on the plot. cut out all the scenes with her, and it changes nothing about the movies. her presence only makes Peter look more like an asshole bc he’s one towards her 99% of the time. she’s there to be… I don’t even know. she’s useless. oh, no, wait, she’s there to make Peter break his promise to Captain Stacy. amazing.
movie wise:
- tone - inconsistent, all over the place. TASM1 is dark, silly, dark, lighthearted, funny, dark, funny, dark. why can’t it be just dark or funny? same goes to TASM2, except TASM2 is way worse due to the unconnected subplots. examples of well-toned movies: Homecoming (a comedy starring Spider-Man), Iron Man 3 (consistently cartoonish with balanced humor and action), The Avengers (consistently funny and cheesy).
- character arc - there’s none. Peter learns absolutely nothing. at all. he’s selfish and remains selfish. puts people’s lives at risk all the time. breaks promises, not learning any lesson. I mentioned Venom before and how it’s a dumb movie, but even that one has Venom have an arc. rushed one, yes, very rushed, but still an arc.
- music - stock music + bad pop music + elevator music + something that tried to sound like dubstep but wound up being what comes out when you scratch your nails across the board ft. growling dying dragons from bad cartoons. I’m really sorry for Hans Zimmer that his name is in the credits bc the amazing Pharell Whilliams literally ruined the TASM2 soundtrack.
- directing - it’s shit. the movie’s shot with no life to speak of. boring shots, lower than average. there’s no scene that makes me ‘whoa’. there’s no scene that makes me ‘this is a really good shot. I very much like this shot.’ ok, I’m lying, there are two shots in the entire 2 movies. there:
these are the only shots that I like. out of 2 movies. please, take all my money.
on top of that, the colors are just ugly. Deadpool has greasy colors but they’re consistent and fit the creepy tone of the movie. TASM movies can’t decide what the hell they are so they are just a mess.
- villains:
x the Lizard. he wants people to be lizards, and that’s it. he wants his arm to regrow but then he goes ‘forget arms, now I want people to be lizards.’ and it’s sad bc he’s a very good villain in the comics.
x Green Goblin. motivation is weak, plus why did he crawl towards the suit? if he crawled towards the Doc Ock arms, would he become Doc Ock? how did he know hot to fly the glider? ‘you took his picture, so you know him’ - first of all, that shot was taken from 64508098 meters away, and second of all, how does this make Harry think Peter knows Spider-Man? he’s still better than Connors, tho.
x Electro - quite an odd one, weak motivations, what the hell was that with the corny speeches pulled out of his ass and completely out of the place? why did he even have shorts? where did he take his suit from? that’s a PG-13 movie, I get it, we don’t wanna watch an electric p*nis swing, ok, we get it still, bad motivations, makes no sense 80% of the time, and... he’s just off. he’s such a badly-handled and poorly-written character I want to cry,
- other characters:
x Gwen Stacy - so called generic love interest. that’s it.
x I don’t even care.
- stupid bullshit - when a movie is good, I don’t care about plot holes or stupid stuff like visible reshoots (see: Tony’s hair in IW) or just idiotic moments (see: Black Widow knocking a guy out with her hair in The Avengers).
however, when the stupid bullshit takes over a movie, you can’t help but notice. why did the Lizard want everyone to be lizards? why did the electric eels fix the gap between Max’s teeth? what’s with the subplot with Peter chasing Ben’s killer? is Peter so stupid that he brought his camera with his name on it to Lizard’s secret layer? why are Peter’s parents so focused on? they’re 100% irrelevant and have no impact on the movies besides making them even stupider (that calculator scene, I’m-). why did Ben jump towards the gun? how did scrawny and skinny Harry Osborn overpower two armed, grown-ass guards? if Peter is smart enough to make web-shooters and web fluid, why did he have to look up the basics of electricity on YT? why is Gwen so stupid to grab a metal bar when there’s an electricity-fueled guy murdering people? why did even Electro become bad? why do people stand around very dangerous fight scenes like it’s a spectacle with fairies? run! the plane scene. the plane scene no2. the crane scene. how did the cranes happen to be perfectly in line across the way to Oscorp? even Raimi wouldn’t put this corny shit in his movies, and he made his trilogy corny for purpose. train? coming? out? from? the ground??? a video coincidentally waiting for Peter to be played in that train? Gwen Stacy happening to be the interns’ tour guide at Oscorp? how did Gwen get to the fight with Electro scene sooner than the police? why did the web get cut by two solid objects, simultaneously making a ‘cut’ sound, what the fuck was that? why were those movies even made? (money)
I want to add that I don’t care about deleted scenes. put them in the movie if they’re important. I really don’t give a damn there was a scene with Peter’s dad (which is just stupid) or some stuff with Connors. I don’t judge deleted scenes, I judge the movies.
and that’s it. I feel like I can talk more, but it’s like 11pm, and I have to get up early and go to work, so… I said what I said. you can’t change my opinion. if you like these films, I don’t care. they’re trash. if you can watch them and think ‘that’s a good movie,’ I’m glad you can, and I wish you a happy life with that bad perception.
to add to all of this, I’ll have you know that even Andrew Garfield is mad/sad that Sony compromised the character of Peter Parker for the sake of money.
before I go, the only good things about these movies:
- TASM2 suit is cool. I like it a lot,
- that scene where Peter wakes up and accidentally breaks things,
- that montage with Spidey after he breaks up with Gwen, it’s really nice and in-character, looking like it was written by someone completely else,
- they didn’t make a third movie.
P.S. if you want some good videos I remember seeing about those movies, visit yourmoviesucks and TheCosmonautVarietyHour on YT. also ScreenCrush explains what’s wrong with those movies basing on one scene, and it’s great.
P.S. 2. there was this comment on YT under the TASM movies review that I really like, and honestly what a mood:
#roll credits#i said what i said and you can't change my mind#when i was younger i thought i like those movies#but then i thought about them again#and wondered how could i ever think they are good#they're a waste of money#they're a waste of time#and effort#that's me and my opinion#i usually don't speak much but well#the amazing spider-man#long post
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If you don't mind giving more comic character advice, Do you have something for core personalty traits for Mary Jane? I'm asking to better understand how she and Peter work together.
I feel there’s a bit of a catch-22 with getting to the core of Mary Jane’s characterization. And it’s a good one! It’s one with a lot of pay off. The issue where Mary Jane’s backstory is revealed in full – Amazing Spider-Man #259 – is an amazingly written piece that throws all of her actions up until that point into stark relief, while simultaneously shaking up the fact that we have, with a few exceptions, been seeing her through the lens of Peter’s perceptions, and Peter has a bad tendency of assuming things about people and then sticking those assumptions, even when contrary evidence is thrown in his face. Mary Jane’s beautiful, Mary’s Jane’s vivacious, Mary Jane loves a party, and so despite several people in his life, his aunt, and even Mary Jane herself telling him there’s a bigger story afoot, he still doesn’t see it until she tells him everything.
(ASM #97 – seriously, the way the real story fits together at the end is nothing short of brilliant writing, which is extra admirable when you’re not the person who wrote the character’s initial appearances. That someone sat there and connected all these different little scenes and made up this really perfect backstory is, in my opinion, some of the greatest comics writing of all time.
”I don’t want to love him. Can you dig it? I like the guy too much for that kind of scene.” ASM #131)
And she tells him everything as a trade – her biggest secret for his, because in Amazing Spider-Man #257, two issues before, Mary Jane reveals that she’s always known he was Spider-Man. But the problem with the reveal, as amazing as it is, is that for the full effect you have to have been following along from the beginning.
Mary Jane tells us something very important from the start, in Amazing Spider-Man #43:
I’ve talked before about how I feel like separating Peter and Spider-Man is, in my opinion, a shallow read on the character. He’s always Peter and he’s always Spider-Man and while the anonymity of Spider-Man may allow him more freedom than the average everyday social scenario, he doesn’t really act that differently whether masked or maskless. Not true with Mary Jane, though her mask is metaphorical. She is an actress. Carefree party girl Mary Jane is an act, and she’s a carefully cultivated one, and Mary Jane knows exactly what she’s doing, in a much more careful and practiced way than Peter knows what he’s doing when he pretends there’s just no way he could be Spider-Man. Mary Jane says it herself much later in the aptly named Amazing Spider-Man: Parallel Lives:
“He wore a mask, too.” So you have this really incredible reveal, but it’s so much better if you’ve been following along and letting things unfold. And I feel like a lot of understanding Mary Jane early on depends on tossing Peter’s notions of her out the window – he might be Spider-Man, but when he first meets her, he’s still an 18yo boy, and this is the girl he spent months dodging because, and this is literally in the text, he thought she might be ugly. And this gets tossed aside a lot in adaptations because we currently don’t like our heroes to be flawed, but Peter is very flawed, and because of that he’s very real, and he thought when his aunt said Mary Jane had “a nice personality” she meant she didn’t have a face to match, because he was an 18yo boy, with everything that comes with being a fairly good looking 18yo boy and only child who was raised by an aunt and uncle who adored him beyond measure.
“And you know what that means!” (ASM #259) And then he does meet Mary Jane, and not only is she beautiful, but she’s vivacious and fun-loving and seemingly carefree, and he’s simultaneously very attracted to that and put off by her devil may care attitude because he thinks she’s flighty.
“You know me – I’m never serious about anything… Never.” (ASM #244) High school gets a lot of gravity in Spider-Man adaptations, for some reason – because it was when Peter was bit by the spider, I guess, or when Uncle Ben was killed – but the college years aren’t really afforded the gravity they deserve, because that’s where a lot of who Peter is and maybe most importantly who the most valuable people in his life come in, and Mary Jane’s a very big part of that. College is where he meets her, and Harry, and Gwen, and where he and Flash start to move past their high school rivalry, and you have this great little friend group that, some issues aside, actually functions really well, with Peter and Gwen’s romance very much at the center of that. And then Gwen is murdered by Norman Osborn.
The Door Scene is in my own opinion one of the most powerful moments in Spider-Man mythos. Gwen’s dead, Norman Osborn’s been impaled on his own glider, and Mary Jane is waiting for Peter. When he arrives, she tells him she’s “real torn up” about what happened to Gwen, and in response, consumed by his grief and his rage, he yells at her and tells her someone like her wouldn’t be upset if her own mother was dead (Mary Jane’s mother is dead, and as ASM #259 will tell you it had a huge impact on her life) and tells her to leave. Despite everything he’s said to her, she stays.
One thing I see get used in comics discourse that erroneously twists things from film adaptations is the idea that Mary Jane loves Spider-Man, the masked hero, the mystery of it all, the drama!, whereas (as she’s always painted when these comparisons come up) good girl Gwen Stacy loved Peter Parker, the real boy underneath. On top of it being a cheap argument meant to pit two complicated female characters with a lot of history against each other, and on top of the fact that it’s an argument that’s always going to be unfair because in comics Gwen didn’t know Peter was Spider-Man, it’s also always going to fall flat for one big reason: at first, Mary Jane hates that Peter is Spider-Man and that he risks his life. It’s what caused her to break off their engagement the first time.
(Spectacular Spider-Man #113) There’s an interesting parallel in the early days – Peter can’t run away, and Mary Jane can’t stay, no matter how much they might want to. Mary Jane is very much about masks, about playing on preconceived notions, about events in your past defining your current actions and the identities you create out of them, the different facets of yourself. I would say that she and Peter work together because as characters they both really grew together; she’s not his first girlfriend, he’s not her first boyfriend, there were times when they were in and out of each other’s lives, and even before he knew it, she was keeping his secrets.
“Because that’s what I do. I keep people’s secrets.” (Amazing Spider-Man #511) I’ve said all this – and I could say a million more words, because I think Mary Jane’s fascinating and complicated and that she’s one of the best written characters in comics – but I really suggest reading for yourself Mary Jane’s appearances from Amazing Spider-Man #42 through when she breaks off her first engagement with Peter in Amazing Spider-Man #183, then when she reveals she knew Peter was Spider-Man all along and tells him her the story of her own past in #257-259, and then their second and successful engagement in Amazing Spider-Man #291-292. It’s a lot of comics, but they’re so good and the way information about Mary Jane is revealed and how it informs her actions in older comics is amazing.
One final note: Mary Jane never met a blunt object she wouldn’t bash over a man’s head.
(ASM #261 – a favorite Harry moment, too.)
She’s not afraid to use her fists, either. Love it. (Spectacular Spider-Man #163)
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Have you ever noticed that PETER PARKER from the MARVEL UNIVERSE looks a lot like TOM HOLLAND? But HE also goes by SPIDER-MAN. Having the ability of SPIDER PHYSIOLOGY, SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH, SPIDER SENSE, & GENIUS LEVEL INTELLECT sure makes them a force to be reckoned with. They’re known to be COMPASSIONATE, but also HASTY,and they’re TWENTY-SIX years old.
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quick basics —
FULL NAME: Peter Benjamin Parker ALIAS: Spider-Man, Dr. Parker, Spidey, Petey AFFILIATION: Avengers, Alone SPECIES: Human Mutate AGE: 26 PLACE OF BIRTH: Queens, New York OCCUPATION: Stark Industries EDUCATION: PhD in Biochemistry & Graduate degree in Biophysics IQ: 250+ MARITAL STATUS: Single SEXUAL ORIENTATION: Bisexual HEIGHT: 5′8″ WEIGHT: 160 lbs EYE COLOR: Hazel HAIR COLOR: Brown BODY BUILD: Muscular
quick tl;dr —
Peter will be heavily based off a mixture of the comics ( earth-616 ), the Spider-Man PS4 game, and the MCU.
The spider suit Peter uses here will be the one from the game with the Karen A.I. built into it.
He’s been Spider-Man for 11 years now.
Peter has a few friends in the police force that he’ll combine forces with / help — so they let him pick up on their scanner frequencies. It’s good to have allies everywhere!
Tony is basically his dad now!
some history —
Peter Benjamin Parker was born in Queens to Richard and Mary Parker.
When Peter was still an infant his parents got assigned by the CIA to infiltrate the Algerian based spy ring controlled by the Red Skull. Once the Red Skull figured out they were double agents he had them killed in a plane crash.
Peter was an orphan now, and went to live with his Uncle Ben and Aunt May. They would go on to raise him as if the boy was their own son.
The boy grew up to be extremely bright in science, becoming a high honor student at Midtown High School. He was a shy kid, and with the interest in his studies that made him a target for bullies, especially from Flash Thompson.
Peter attended a public exhibition demonstrating how to safely handle nuclear laboratory waste materials. He was only fifteen years old when he was bitten on the hand by a spider that was irradiated by a particle accelerator used during the demonstration.
When Peter was heading home a car almost hit him, but he jumped out of the way. This was when he discovered that he somehow gained incredible abilities. All the traits similar to that of a spider. He decided to test out his powers after seeing an ad offering a cash prize if you won. He ended up winning.
Peter designs his own costume and fabricating a fluid similar to a spider’s web and wrist-mounted web-shooters. He decided to call himself Spider-Man, and he became an immediate sensation.
One night Peter decided not to stop a thief thinking it wasn’t his responsibility to do so, and he forgot about the incident as he got more popular. It wasn’t until his Uncle Ben was murdered that everything changed. He was full of remorse since the thief he didn’t stop was the one that killed his father figure. From this day forward he feels an obligation to use his powers responsible, becoming a superhero. with great power comes great responsibility.
He has a lot of villains in his rogues gallery. Tinkerer, Doctor Octopus, the Sandman, the Lizard, Electro, Chameleon, the Big Man and his Enforcers, Mysterio, Kraven the Hunter, Green Goblin, the Fox, the Shocker, Carnage, Rhino, Scorpion, the Melting Man, Hobgoblin, and Vulture are some of the more well known of them. Several of them would end up forming the Sinister Six as well. He recently took on Mr. Negative which was exhausting as you can imagine. His henchmen were all over the city causing trouble with dangerous weaponry, but he managed to handle it all on his own.
Green Goblin kidnapped Gwen Stacy, and Peter found them at the Brooklyn bridge. They fought, but Gwen fell from the bridge. He tried to save her when he shot a web out, grabbing onto her leg. The impact from stopping suddenly caused her neck to snap, killing her instantly. Green Goblin escaped, but Peter was distraught over the death of the woman he loves.
He wants to be a better hero for not just Uncle Ben, but for Gwen too. He blames himself, convinced that he could have saved them if he had been pushing himself harder after getting his powers.
He’s twenty-six years old currently, which means he has been Spider-Man for eleven years. He doesn’t plan on stopping anytime soon. Peter fights his foes a lot, he’s tired, but he continues to protect New York despite all the tragedy that he has been through. He’s known to push himself nonstop for days fighting if he has to.
Peter is a doctor, and has a PhD in Biochemistry. He also has a graduate degree in Biophysics.
He has an IQ north of 250. He’s a master at robotics, engineering, inventing, and he’s just a genius when it comes to science in general.
powers and abilities —
SPIDER PHYSIOLOGY: Peter possesses the proportionate powers of a spider. The radioactive, complex mutagenic enzymes in the spider’s blood that were transferred at the time of the bite triggered numerous body-wide mutagenic changes within him, granting Peter superhuman strength, speed, toughened flesh, and numerous arachnid-like abilities.
He can crawl on walls, but everyone knows that, right?
SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH: He’s able to press lift many tons. Peter’s physical strength is sufficient enough to enable him to lift and throw objects as heavy as a big rig semi truck with ease.
He also possesses superhuman stamina, speed, reflexes, equilibrium, and agility. He also has a healing factor enabling him to heal faster than normal humans, or regenerate from injuries others wouldn’t be able to recover from.
SPIDER-SENSE: Spider-Man possesses an extrasensory “danger” or “spider” sense which warns him of potential immediate danger by the manifestation of a tingling sensation in the back of his skull, and links with his superhuman kinesthetics, enabling him to evade most any injuries, unless he cognitively overrides his automatic reflexes. This will go off for minor and major threats that could be dangerous. His spider-sense is directional and can guide him to or away from hidden weapons and enemies. Sudden and extreme threats can cause his spider-sense to react with painful intensity. He can also use this to track radio frequencies.
Peter is a master acrobat, and martial artist. He’s also a genius with an IQ of north of 250 as stated earlier. He’s one of the smartest people on Earth. He’s also an expert inventor.
He has a strong Force of Will, completely free of evil and temptation.
Peter has a pair of web-shooters on him at all times. When he’s not dressed in his suit he invented a set concealed to look like bracelets to the rest of the world. He’s really proud of them, and they’re loaded with not just regular web-fluid, but the capability to use electronic webs as well. He doesn’t always need them, but he likes to be prepared and have the option available until he can get to his suit.
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Warning: contains spoilers for Free Comic Book Day: Spider-Man/Venom #1!
As Spider-Man comics near the beginning of a new era, Bill Reilly is set to replace Peter Parker as Marvel Comics’ Wallcrawler, and readers get to see his first adventure in Free Comic Book Day: Spider-Man/Venom #1. While Peter Parker’s fate is still up in the air – and it’s possible he could be badly injured or even killed as a result of the supervillain battle royal taking place in Sinister War – the flash-forward Free Comic Book Day story sees Ben Reilly take on the Spider-Man mantle once again with an upgraded suit that has one feature Peter has desperately needed since his first days as a superhero.
A clone of Peter Parker who famously replaced him as Spider-Man when the two temporarily believed Ben was the original, Ben Reilly has since existed as a darker version of the Wall-Crawler, initially coveting Peter’s life but later finding redemption as the street hero Scarlet Spider. With Amazing Spider-Man #75, Ben will lay claim to the Spider-Man mantle, working alongside the mysterious Beyond Corporation, seemingly taking over from Peter as “the real Spider-Man,” as he’s called at the end of ‘Test-Drive’ from Zeb Wells, Patrick Gleason, Alejandro Sanchez, and Joe Caramagna.
Related: Marvel’s Armored Spider-Man Is An Assassin For The MCU’s Deviants
Ben Reilly is generally depicted as having the same powers as Peter Parker, but this issue gives him a new ability in the form of his armored costume. In a battle against Bushwacker, Ben reveals that the Beyond Corporation’s suit is made of impact-thickening polymers which get harder under duress. This new Spider-Man shows he can take even close-range fire from Bushwacker’s cybernetic guns, splintering the weapons by placing his hands over their barrels. It’s an awesome upgrade for Ben, and one that ironically would have been the ideal addition to Peter’s arsenal, given that it could turn his constant masochism into a strength.
One of Peter Parker’s most defining attributes is his guilt over the people he feels he’s allowed to come to harm, from Uncle Ben to Gwen Stacy to Captain Jean DeWolff. Having neglected to stop the criminal who later killed his beloved uncle, Peter’s heroism is in many ways both an attempt to recreate that failure with a better outcome and to punish himself for allowing it to happen. Countless comics have made it clear that Peter views the pain he experiences as Spider-Man as penance for the harm he’s allowed to befall others, and in Marvel Knights Spider-Man #19 – from Peter David and Pat Lee – Mary Jane even accuses him of seeking out death, pointing out he’s never made minor upgrades (like indicator gauges that would show when he’s low on web fluid) which would make his vigilantism far safer on a daily basis.
Whether or not Peter has spent his career as Spider-Man seeking death, he’s definitely spent it putting himself in harm’s way, acting as bait for villains at the slightest provocation and jumping in front of countless bullets and blades to save others – even his most destructive villains. As Spider-Man, Peter always put his own welfare second, and now Ben Reilly is hitting the streets in an armored costume that would actually have made this instinct for self-sacrifice a benefit. When Ben throws himself on his enemy’s gunfire, he doesn’t just protect others, he actually defeats the villain by doing it.
Peter has experimented with armor and advanced suits when he’s had the resources, famously devising custom equipment for the Sinister Six in ‘Ends of the Earth,’ but Ben’s genius armor is simpler than those Peter has developed, and even seems to work on a similar principle to his webbing. Hopefully, Peter Parker survives his showdown with Kindred and is around to challenge Ben for the Spider-Man name in ‘Spider-Man Beyond,’ but if not, at least his clone won’t suffer from the same fatal flaw.
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Peter was off. Something was different when he came into the lab. Hoodie on, looking down, talking less. Not a Petery behavior. He didn't seem to focused and Tony even heard him stutter. Peter doesn't normally stutter unless he's absolutely broken inside. Tony didn't want to push it but he wanted to do something.
"How is the taser web going?" Tony asked trying to look at what Peter's doing
"G-Great...Umm A-Almost done" When Tony looked at Peter and he finally noticed that he has been crying
"Wanna go annoy Cap? I know you like that" Tony didn't want to push it but at least he had to try make him feel better
"N-No thanks" Peter got off his chair and walked towards the hologram screen. Tony got closer to Peter's workbench and took fhe web shooter Peter was working on
"Kid this looks pretty good. I-"
"God, can you shut up?" Peter snapped. Tony raised his eyebrow confused. Why was Peter acting like this? Is he ok?. Peter sighted heavily when he realized what happened "S-Sorry Mr. Stark"
"You're fine kid" But you're not and I want to help. Tony got closer to Peter "Pete is everything ok?" He finally asked. Peter turned around to meet him with a sad smile
"Sorry Mr. Stark. I-I shouldn't have come today"
"That doesn't answer my question Pete" Tony didn't sound challenging or mad or annoyed. Just soft. Worried "Are you ok?" Peter shrugged and then shook his head "That's fine. Wanna talk about it?" Peter shooked his head "That's fine too. What do you say we take a pizza break?"
"I-I actually want to f-finish this...I am almost done" Peter looked like he was about to explode. Tony just smiled softly
"Sure. I am still ordering pizza tho. And when you are done with that we can have a movie night. If you want to, of course" Peter didn't smile but he did look like he was a little happier
"Sure" Peter said before turning back on his proyect. Several minutes went through and neither Tony or Peter had talked yet. Surprisingly for Tony, Peter cut the silence "Before I liked MJ or Liz I had a girlfriend, you know?" Tony didn't know how to answer
"Is that so?" Tony said turning his back to see Peter
"Yeah. It was right when I became Spiderman. She was there for me when Ben died, and she knew that I am Spiderman" Peter turned around to meet Tony but when he made eye contact, he immediately looked at the ceiling "I once wrote 'I loke you' in the Brooklyn bridge with the webs. Gwen was really the best" Gwen. Cute name Tony thought. Peter smiled sadly at the memory
"God, that was you? I saw it on the news" Tony said smiling. He didn't understand. Did he broke up with this girl? Is that why he's like this?. Peter only laughed with his sad smile
"Yeah. Gwen deserved that and more" Peter's smile faded away in seconds. "Then, some stuff happened to Spiderman and she got involved" Now Tony realized it was gonna be that kind of story
"What happened next?" Tony knew what happened next
"She fell and I catch her with my web" Peter sobbed "The force of the impact-" Peter sobbed again "Gwen died of a broken neck due to the use of the webbing" Tony knew that Peter meant It was my fault
"Pete-" Tony didn't want Peter to feel like that. Just a few weeks ago happened the same shit with his uncle
"Today a year ago, I killed Gwen Stacy" Tony couldn't handle it anymore and he just gave Peter a hug
"It wasn't your fault. You tried to save her. You did all you could do" Peter was crying so much and Tony felt so bad for him. They didn't say anything else in the next seconds
"It sucks" Peter said a little more calmed
"It does kid. But it's gonna get better. You're gonna be ok" Peter didn't answer "I think that if she was here, she would tell you how good you are Pete. You're the best person I know" Peter hesitated
"I already finished the taser webs" Tony smiled a little
"Then let's go have Pizza kid. You deserve it"
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a brief history of you (closed): for @spidcrgwens
( tw: death / implied violence ) ( i mean it's gwen stacy what do you expect )
Dear Gwen,
I’m not sure you even asked, but I feel like you deserve to know about her. The other Gwen. My Gwen. So, here it is, the whole thing, start to finish. Just a heads up, it might get a bit long, or a bit soppy, and you are under no obligation to read it all or put up with me. I just thought you should have the truth, the whole truth. (And nothing but the truth.) All jokes aside, she’s a bit of a touchy subject, so here’s hoping I can get this all down.
We met in high school. I was a nerd. Like, really a nerd. Tripping over my own feet, unable to string together coherent sentences, you know the drill. I’m assuming you had your own Peter, and he probably wasn’t a football star or anything (I mean if he was, good for him, I’m impressed!), so you probably have a good idea of what I’m talking about. We had chemistry together--the class, not the other kind. That came later. I was too shy to talk to her, so I’d just kind of stare, and laugh a bit too loudly, and try to be helpful during labs.
I might have taken some pictures of her, from a distance, before I really knew her. In retrospect, it was probably a little creepy. God, she was cute. She always wore these little headbands and sweaters, sort of looked like every teenage boy’s librarian fantasy. (That’s a thing, right? Is that weird? That’s definitely not just me.) She had a habit of biting her nails when she thought--only her thumbs. You’d look over at her during class, during a particularly boring lecture, and there she’d be, taking notes with one hand, absentmindedly toying with her left thumbnail. That’s how you knew she was working on something genius.
MJ was her friend first. Everyone was friends with MJ, but I doubt I need to tell you that. She’s the best. Anyway, we were running in the same circles, sitting at the same lunch tables, asking each other for notes on the homework, that kind of thing. We started talking, eventually, really talking, arguing about books and movies and Schrodinger’s cat and renewable energy cars. I think MJ regretted picking scientists as her best friends. I still blushed every time Gwen talked, but it was less, a little. Maybe. I hope.
And then I got bit. It was a class trip to Oscorp, I got lost (I’m an idiot), ended up with a hitchhiking arachnid, who was probably just as unhappy to be there as I was to find him. So then I stopped needing my glasses, and learned to stand up a little bit straighter. That’s when I started doing the whole Spider-Man thing. Petty stuff, really. I was full of shit and trying to make a quick buck to buy a car. I wanted to impress her. I was still an idiot. An idiot with superpowers, but still an idiot.
I asked her out. We got coffee. She wore a blue dress and I paid for her latte, and we walked through Central Park and made jokes about being Typical Angsty Teenagers, quoting the Catcher in the Rye at each other and thinking we were the coolest people in the world. We never did decide where the ducks go.
We had fun. We saw movies, went to bad restaurants, played video games in my basement (for the record, she sucked at Assassin’s Creed, but was surprisingly good at Tomb Raider). We talked about traveling after high school: England, Spain, Belize, Thailand. Anywhere and everywhere. It took embarrassingly long for us to become Official, but, by the summer after junior year, Gwen Stacy was officially my girlfriend.
Then, that August, my uncle Ben died. I don’t really want to get into the details right now, but it was rough. There was a break-in, I could have stopped it, and I didn’t, and it was my fault. I’d been some variant of Spider-Man since that May, so you could say I was still getting my sea legs, but I should have known better. I was a mess, Gwen and MJ were there for me. I don’t know that I would have gotten through it all without them. It was a bad time, and something I’d rather not relive right now, if that’s okay. This letter is hard enough to write as it is.
I could tell you about the time we went to Coney Island in the dead of winter, and she kicked off her boots and pulled me into the water. We were both sick for weeks. I could tell you about the way her face crinkled up when she laughed, or how she’d tuck her hair behind her ears when she was mad with you. I could tell you about how she hated root beer and always ordered pistachio ice cream. Little things, Gwen things. I don’t know how many of these things you two have in common, at the end of the day. Her dad was a police chief, and she had kickass taste in music. She was not a drummer.
She was brilliant, though, and figured me out pretty much immediately. Like, late September of senior year, after I’d finally gotten out of bed and back into school and started really trying the whole hero thing. She noticed I was always a bit bruised, would show up to dates late or too fast or from entirely the wrong direction. There was no hiding from her. I think we were getting pizza when she told me she knew. I tried to deflect, but she was adamant, and she was right. So we finished our slices, and I showed her the suit, the web shooters, the whole shebang. Mind you, this was pre-Stark Tech, so it really wasn’t that much to see. I don’t think she was as impressed as I’d expected--something along the lines of, yeah, I already knew, dumbass.
On the flip side, it meant I had a hell of a good time promposing that spring. We’re talking PROM? written in webs, me swinging onto her fire escape to kiss her. It was flashy as all get out, but she said yes, so. I did something right.
She was our valedictorian. Headed to Oxford, of all places, brilliant as she was. She gave the speech at our graduation, and I hate that I don’t remember what she said. I was too distracted by her in that stupid blue cap and gown, thinking that somehow I had conned this incredible person into maybe liking me. Were we soulmates or madly in love? I don’t know. I thought so at the time, but I was seventeen, and, honestly, what do seventeen year olds know? (Nothing. They know nothing.)
It all went to shit a few weeks after graduation. You know, that hazy time between college and high school, when you feel so old and indestructible and so small and broken all at once. Everything and nothing. In-between time. Gwen and I spent a lot of time together; MJ’s mom was sick, she’d had to go back to Pittsburgh, but I’ll let her fill you in on all that. And then there was this guy, he called himself the Green Goblin, it was a whole big complicated to-do honestly not worth telling. He was bad, it was a mess.
But he took Gwen. He was showing off, probably. Wanted to lure me out to a big macho standoff. I still don’t know how he got her, and I don’t want to know. I don’t want to picture her screaming, ripped from her bed in the middle of the night by a really unfortunate looking green man. I don’t know if she cried.
It was an off day for me to start, which isn’t an excuse, just a fact. I’d been up all night watching Game of Thrones and freaking out about housing assignments for next year--I was due to start Columbia, and really didn’t know how to hide a superhero alter ego from a roommate. So I didn’t bring my A Game to the George Washington Bridge, and I paid for it.
He threw her. Right off the bridge, down, down, down into the Hudson. There’s a good chance we were on the Jersey side, too, to add insult to injury. I panicked, I threw a web out to catch her just before she hit the river. I thought I was so clever, I was making jokes about it as I pulled her up. Not only am I the most dashing hero on two legs....
At first, I thought it was the impact, but, looking back, it was whiplash. She would have died either way, but it was my rope that caught her. I snapped her neck. And it’s my fault. The monster got away, too. I lost her, and I lost him. Talk about a shitty day.
So, this is getting stupidly long, and my hand is cramping up, so I’m going to stop here. I guess, if you have any questions or anything, I’m here to talk? To summarize, I dated Gwen Stacy. I think I loved Gwen Stacy. I killed Gwen Stacy. It sucked.
Just, thought you should know. If I start staring at you weird, that’s why.
Best, Peter.
#( para )#( p. self )#( p.3 )#rebuildtask3#spidcrgwens#( i am a masochist and i still hate all of you )
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Blue Sleeveless Hoodie 2017/5/26
Benjamin "Ben" Reilly (also known as the Scarlet Spider, the second Spider-Man and Spider-Carnage) is a fictional character in the Marvel Comics Universe. He is a clone of Peter Parker (Spider-Man), and is prominent in the Clone Saga. He first appeared in The Amazing Spider-Man#149 (October 1975).Ben Reilly was the first successful clone of Peter Parker created by the Jackal, as the first clone, Kaine, had suffered from clone degeneration which made him become unstable. Through arcane science, Ben is imprinted with Peter's memories and in their first encounter believed himself to be the original. After Peter Parker was captured by the Jackal, both Parker and Reilly found themselves in Spider-Man costumes at Shea Stadium, and initially fought each other believing the other was the imposter. When realizing the stakes, they decided to team up in an attempt to save the Gwen Stacy clone and a captured Ned Leeds. In the process, the clone appeared to be killed in the explosion, and Parker, fearful of the consequences of a second body of "Peter Parker" turning up while he was still alive, dropped Reilly's body in a smokestack. Ben apparently survived and escaped from the smokestack. When he witnessed Parker and Mary Jane Watson in an embrace, it triggered a revelation in his mind that he was the clone, and he decided to depart on a nomadic life as if no one knew his existence. He dubbed himself the alias "Ben Reilly", using his Uncle Ben's first name and his Aunt May's maiden name, Ben Parker and May Reilly respectively. He took some old clothes Parker had intended to donate to charity, and he left New York deeply depressed. During his travels, he occasionally adopted a makeshift 'costume' consisting of bandages wrapped around his head and hands when he had to go into action using his powers in a manner that might expose him, although he kept the Spider-Man mask he had initially worn.Five years later, Reilly discovers that May Parker is dying from a stroke, so he returns to New York. There, Reilly encounters Peter Parker, who has become bitter and angry following several tragedies. While they initially come to blows, they quickly begin working together, Ben donning his old Spider-Man mask and gloves over his civilian clothes in his first outing. Soon after, Reilly dons a makeshift but more detailed costume, consisting of an all-red suit and mask under a blue sleeveless hoodie with a black spider motif, and is dubbed the "Scarlet Spider" by the press.When Peter retired as Spider-Man, Ben donned a new version of the Spider-Man costume as he felt that the original version needed an update, coupled with the fact that he did not feel as though he was ready to shoulder the burdens of the original costume yet. The new costume retained the familiar mask, but the entire torso was now red with an enlarged spider logo on the front and back, with the spider's legs extending over his shoulders and chest to join their mirror image on the other side of his body. The costume's arms were now completely blue apart from the index finger, little finger and thumb being red, and Reilly wore his web-shooters outside the costume- allowing him to use such new creations as impact webbing and sedative stingers- while his 'boots' consisted of a half-blue-half-red look.
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Benjamin "Ben" Reilly (also known as the Scarlet Spider, the second Spider-Man and Spider-Carnage) is a fictional character in the Marvel Comics Universe. He is a clone of Peter Parker (Spider-Man), and is prominent in the Clone Saga. He first appeared in The Amazing Spider-Man#149 (October 1975).Ben Reilly was the first successful clone of Peter Parker created by the Jackal, as the first clone, Kaine, had suffered from clone degeneration which made him become unstable. Through arcane science, Ben is imprinted with Peter's memories and in their first encounter believed himself to be the original. After Peter Parker was captured by the Jackal, both Parker and Reilly found themselves in Spider-Man costumes at Shea Stadium, and initially fought each other believing the other was the imposter. When realizing the stakes, they decided to team up in an attempt to save the Gwen Stacy clone and a captured Ned Leeds. In the process, the clone appeared to be killed in the explosion, and Parker, fearful of the consequences of a second body of "Peter Parker" turning up while he was still alive, dropped Reilly's body in a smokestack. Ben apparently survived and escaped from the smokestack. When he witnessed Parker and Mary Jane Watson in an embrace, it triggered a revelation in his mind that he was the clone, and he decided to depart on a nomadic life as if no one knew his existence. He dubbed himself the alias "Ben Reilly", using his Uncle Ben's first name and his Aunt May's maiden name, Ben Parker and May Reilly respectively. He took some old clothes Parker had intended to donate to charity, and he left New York deeply depressed. During his travels, he occasionally adopted a makeshift 'costume' consisting of bandages wrapped around his head and hands when he had to go into action using his powers in a manner that might expose him, although he kept the Spider-Man mask he had initially worn.Five years later, Reilly discovers that May Parker is dying from a stroke, so he returns to New York. There, Reilly encounters Peter Parker, who has become bitter and angry following several tragedies. While they initially come to blows, they quickly begin working together, Ben donning his old Spider-Man mask and gloves over his civilian clothes in his first outing. Soon after, Reilly dons a makeshift but more detailed costume, consisting of an all-red suit and mask under a blue sleeveless hoodie with a black spider motif, and is dubbed the "Scarlet Spider" by the press.When Peter retired as Spider-Man, Ben donned a new version of the Spider-Man costume as he felt that the original version needed an update, coupled with the fact that he did not feel as though he was ready to shoulder the burdens of the original costume yet. The new costume retained the familiar mask, but the entire torso was now red with an enlarged spider logo on the front and back, with the spider's legs extending over his shoulders and chest to join their mirror image on the other side of his body. The costume's arms were now completely blue apart from the index finger, little finger and thumb being red, and Reilly wore his web-shooters outside the costume- allowing him to use such new creations as impact webbing and sedative stingers- while his 'boots' consisted of a half-blue-half-red look.
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“Even though both of these characters are awesome, fans can’t help but argue among themselves, so the question is simple: Who makes the better Spider-Man? Is it the new kid on the block who is winning new fans over left and right, or is it the classic Spidey that basically started it all?”
It’s Peter.
This isn’t even a debate.
One character is literally trying to be a replication of the other but throwing in some zigs where they zagged, whilst the other is the thing being replicated that also revolutionized comic books forever.
“As always, the answer to this question is: “it depends.” ”
Yes. It depends if you are a moronic clickbait author or not.
Do most Miles Morales fans even honestly argue that Miles is the best Spider-Man as opposed to just...great in his own way?
Like I’m pretty sure most Ben Reilly and Sam Wilson fans don’t try to honestly assert those guys are better than Peter or Steve.
“How do you even begin to measure something like this? ”
Who has had the biggest impact on the medium.
Who was most original.
Who has the most acclaimed stories.
Who has had the most comparatively unconvoluted narrative.
Who’s stories stick closest to the fundamental guiding ideas behind the core concept of Spider-Man and execute that the best.
Mystery solved.
20. MILES: BETTER ORIGIN
“The Peter Parker Spider-Man has an origin story that is downright iconic. There’s no denying that. However, if we’re being honest, then Miles Morales has a much better origin story. And it’s one that modern audiences will find a much easier time relating to.”
Hmm, a scientifically gifted teenager gets bitten by a super science spider and gains spider powers that he doesn’t commit to using altruistically for the wider community. Because of this he fails to intervene in a crime the results of which ultimately wind up killing a noble person he admired. From this he learned that his great powers should be used responsibily to help others and carried a burden of guilt around with him. o this end he dressed up in webbed spandex and became a crime fighter called Spider-Man.
Yeah...I can see how that is so much better and modern than Peter Parker’s origin...
This doesn’t even explain how or why the origin is better, it just says Peter’s origin is iconic but Miles is better and leaves it at that.
Surely if something is better than the iconic thing you’d have more to say about it.
“Miles, meanwhile, had to deal with his powers being stolen by an uncle (whom we saw briefly in Spider-Man: Homecoming) before Miles’ early exploits with Venom led to the loss of his mother.”
This isn’t part of his origin and therefore doesn’t belong in this section.
Moreover it’s asinine because it omits Peter’s early adventures to give the false impression Miles is better.
Let’s say Miles’ uncle stole his powers. Why is this somehow better than ‘My uncle is dead, I need to step up and replace him as the man of the house, also my aunt is chronically ill, I am cash strapped and I constantly get shit in both my identities’.
Call me crazy but wasn’t Spider-Man supposed to be ABOUT those normal life problems as opposed to the inherently fantastical problem of your magic science spider powers getting jacked?
Or your mother dying due to an ooze monster before she was literally resurrected like two years later negating all drama?
Even if his mother had remained dead, how does this make him better than Peter? His mother died. Wow. I’ve NEVER seen a superhero with a dead parent before. I’ve NEVER seen a female supporting character die in a superhero story before. Certainly not a Spider-man story. Certainly not a Spider-Man story that changed comic books forever before shallow repetitions like murdering the characters mother turned it into a mess of a cliché. A mess of a cliché that the same guy who did it reversed 2 years later.
“In this way, he feels a much keener guilt over the passing away of a family member than Peter Parker does”
**** please!
His mother came BACk to life two years later and it wasn’t like his ENTIRE motivation after she died was BUILT around his grief over her death.
Like Peter brings up Uncle Ben’s death so much that we needed to do a movie that SPECIFICALLY DOESN’T BRING IT UP!
And this isn’t even getting into how despite being a family member the best analogy for Rio within Peter’s story is Gwen NOT Uncle Ben.
And you cannot with a straight face tell any Spider-Man fan Gwen’s death was not AS keenly felt by Peter as Rio’s was for Miles.
Miles quit after Rio died and then an arc or two later after a time skip he was back in the saddle. Meanwhile literally 2 years worth of issues were devoted to depicting Peter’s grieiving of Gwen and then we also wouldn’t shut up about it for another 40 years!
“making him not only more motivated, but more sympathetic in the eyes of the readers.”
If Rio’s death made Miles more motivated than Peter...why did he literally quit being Spider-Man after she died?
This gets even dumber when you consider this article is drawing an analogy between Rio’s death and Uncle Ben.
RIO’s death motivated Miles to quit for A WHOLE YEAR!
Uncle Ben’s death motivated Peter to BE a superhero for *checks watch) 56 years and counting!
And what is this the tragedy Olympics? Miles deserves more sympathy because his mother died when he was fighting a villain than Peter does for when his father figure died due to someone he failed to stop?
At best BOTH things are equally tragic and worthy of sympathy.
At worst if you truly contextualize this, fuck no Miles doesn’t deserve more sympathy.
I’m not saying ‘screw him he deserved it’. I’m just saying of course Peter had it worse.
When Rio died that was the third major death in Miles’ life. His mother, his uncle and Ult Peter Parker.
Yeah, that’s 2 dead family members to Peter’s 1 circa Gwen’s death right?
Wrong. Peter lost his parents, his uncle which was his fault, George Stacy who was another father figure which he also felt guilty over and then also his girlfriend/practically his fiancé...which he also felt guilty over.
Then you’ve got the fact that Miles, whilst feeling guilty over Ult Peter’s death, didn’t actually know him personally. Peter knew all those people personally sans his parents, but they were still his parents.
And then he had to be the provider for May whilst having exactly zero emotional support from anyone other than her. Miles had Ganke through everything. Peter had jackshit and was also getting bullied and was also getting hated on by Jameson.
You can’t even say “Well Miles had it worse because he saw his mother die violently right in front of him.” Peter saw and CAUSED Gwen to die violently in front of him, he saw George Stacy die violently in front of him, he at least KNEW Uncle Ben died violenty and in his own home to boot.
And unlike Miles’ uncle or mother none of THOSE people came back to life!
19. PETER: CREATIVE USE OF POWERS
“Have you ever thought about how limited Peter Parker’s powers really are? No, seriously — he has spider-sense and super-strength, and he made himself some webs and that’s it”
-and, spider agility, and spider speed and you know wall-crawling the one thing his namesake, a spider, FAMOUSLY does!
“Seemingly every issue has him doing something new with his powers,”
Says someone who’s clearly not read much Spider-Man.
How the hell do you even begin to try and have him do something new in every issue across multiple monthly titles across 57 years my god!
18. MILES: COOLER COSTUME
“If you were trying to figure out what the most iconic comic book costume was, it may very well be Peter Parker’s Spider-Man costume. Those red and blue tights have inspired literally decades of comics fans, young and old. But we hate to break it to you: Miles Morales has the cooler costume.”
“The red and blue may be iconic, but it’s also difficult to translate into the real world, such as live action films.”
This is fucking moronic on four levels.
Level 1: It was a costume designed for a comic book which isn’t set in the real world or even in a live action medium so the point is fucking moot because the measure of a COMIC BOOK character’s costume is how well it works in a COMIC BOOK.
By this logic Batman’s costume sucks shit because it’s rarely translated well into live action and usually needed to be made all black.
By this logic ALL MANGA isn’t that great because none of it translates t the real world.
Level 2: If the thing is ICONIC then obviously is does effing work!
Level 3: Solid black with red patterning on top of it. Yes. I can see how this is very original and inherently better.
Level 4: The red and blue costume has literally been translated into film FOUR TIMES!
“Meanwhile, Miles’ black and red costume looks sleek and modern.”
Looking sleek and modern doesn’t counter ‘is difficult to translate to film’. Those are two separate things.
Moreover, it’s ‘modernity’ is afforded it by being again, mostly unoriginal.
Shit Spider-Man’s SECOND most iconic costume, which is also more iconic than Miles’, is even MORE sleek so does that make it more ‘modern’ too?
It’s the same nonsense as before, ‘it’s just better’. How and why!
“ It’s a perfect compromise between comic book sensibilities and real world aesthetics”
Which means it’s not as good in the medium it was designed for as another costume that was!
“and you can’t help but grin whenever you see it.”
That isn’t even a point, that’s barely even an individual opinion!
17. PETER: BETTER LOVE INTERESTS
“Sometimes, comparing Peter Parker and Miles Morales feels like comparing apples and oranges. ”
And reading this article comparing them feels like throwing up.
“That’s because there are some cool things that one hero has that the other doesn’t, meaning there’s no real comparison. ”
Okay like...first of all if the author actually believes that then what the fuck is the point of this list!
Second of all, the fact that they are comparing them means obviously they can be compared.
Thirdly the fact that they are literally both characters called Spider-Man, with spider powers, based in New York, who got their powers the same way, fight ostensibly the same villains and (allegedly) touch upon the same types of sub-genres and are both made by Marvel comics OBVIOUSLY MEANS THEY ARE COMPARABLE!
Like fuck dude, this isn’t like you are trying to compare Spider-Man to the Power Rangers!
“Peter Parker has had an epic romance with Mary Jane Watson, as well as dalliances with Felicia Hardy and Carlie Cooper.”
Really? You are going to list off a quick romantic history of Spider-Man and you mention MJ and Felicia and...Carlie Cooper.
A character not seen since 2014. A character who dated Spider-Man for like one year publishing time.
You will mention her but not, I dunno, Gwen effing Stacy?
16. MILES: MORE INFLUENTIAL
I’m face palming from just the title of this one.
“One reason that we think Miles Morales might be the better Spider-Man is because of how influential he is. And we’re not just talking about more and more fans discovering the character each year. A major bit of evidence is that his character highly influenced the insanely successful Spider-Man: Homecoming.”
Well I’m happy somebody is acknowledging Homecoming was basically a whitewashed Miles movie.
“An example of this is Peter’s friend in the movie, Ned Leeds. Longtime Spidey fans were surprised that he looked nothing like the Ned of the comics. That’s because his design and characterization was based on Miles’ friend, Ganke Lee. On top of that, we even see Miles’ uncle, Aaron Davis, played by Donald Glover. This gave many fans hope we’d see Miles Morales in the MCU!”
Just to be crystal clear here, this ‘article’ is asserting that Miles Morales, a character invented by Bendis and Pichelli less than 10 years ago, is more influential than the character that....literally every teenage super hero after 1962 was inspired by (including Miles himself)...who was created by one of the art Gods of all comics and the single most famous writer of comic books of all time.
And their ‘evidence’ for this was...one movie from last year...that he wasn’t even in...
15. PETER: FANTASTIC…FIVE?
There is nothing objectionable in this sans the fact that he joined the Future Foundation not the F4.
14. MILES: STEALTHY SPIDER
“We love Peter Parker’s abilities but if we’re being honest, they don’t always make a lot of sense. Detecting future danger and being super-strong is really neat, but it never exactly screamed “spider” to us.”
Spiders are very strong for their size. Hence ‘proportional strength of a spider’ as a commonly used phrase associated with the character.
The Spider Sense is more defencible as being ‘not a spider thing’, but there are still ways to explain it.
“It felt a bit like the writers were just making stuff up.”
...making stuff up is literally the definition of writing fiction...
“And if you’re going to make up some weird powers, we say “go big or go home.””
None of Peter’s powers sans his spider sense were even remotely weird if he was intended as a human spider.
“And that’s why we like Miles Morales’ cool stealth ability. His ability to blend into his surroundings creates some really fun stories, and adds a fun dose of Batman to the Spidey stories that we love.”
Not only is this dumb because being like another character is not a good thing (doesn’t it make you less unique), but worse it pretends like having stealth is something that’s even MORE insane for a spider than spider sense.
It’s not.
Spiders can camouflage into their surroundings like you know....shittons of animals people commonly know about.
13. PETER: AVENGERS MEMBER
Nothing that wrong here.
12. MILES: GALACTUS FIGHTER
“When fans argue about which characters are the best, there are plenty of different metrics. One of the biggest, though, is who the character has managed to fight. And if a hero is able to take on a villain well above their weight, it establishes just how serious they are.
So, how can you tell that Miles Morales is the best? He managed to take on Galactus. No, seriously — when Galactus threatened the universe, Miles Morales teamed up with resident big brain Reed Richards in order to get information and allies. While it was definitely a team effort, Miles should get credit for tackling a bigger foe than Peter Parker ever did.”
This is so fucked up it’s not even funny.
By this logic ANY TIME Peter contributed even a little to a team effort that ultimately led to beating someone it should count on his win record.
Okay then. In AvX he contributed to fighting the Phoenix, which is canonically MORE powerful than Galactus. He’s also contributed to fighting Galactus in Secret Wars. He contributed to fighting Onslaught who was approaching a Galactus level threat. He contributed towards defeating Scarlet Witch in House of M and restoring the 616 universe, Scarlet Witch also being even more powerful than Galactus in that story.
If you DIDN’T use this type of bullshit then Peter has taken on supremely more powerful foes than Miles.
Juggernaut, Hulk, Tri-Sentinel, Rhino. The entire X-Men.
Even the stuff that doesn’t make sense for either character put Peter ahead. Peter beat Firelord a Herald of Galactus, whilst Miles beat Blackheart, the son of Mephisto.
Let me remind you that Silver Surfer, also a Herald of Galactus, has beaten Mephisto himself.
Therefore Firelord is most likely put of Blackheart’s weight class.
11. PETER: CIA PARENTS
There is nothing incorrect in this but why is this a point in Peter’s favour? Spider-Man is supposed to be down to Earth so the more James Bond super spy craziness involved the more reductive it is.
Hell it doesn’t even make sense against Miles since Miles dad worked for SHIELD.
“We shouldn’t be surprised Peter is who he is when he had parents like this!”
Yeah or you know it could’ve been because of Uncle Ben as literally every version of Spider-Man spells out for us.
10. MILES: S.H.I.E.L.D. AGENT
“Just as you can judge a hero by who they fight, you can also judge them by who they fight alongside. When a character joins a team with a proud history and powerful members, it goes to show just how amazing that hero is. And this is why we love that Miles Morales is a member of S.H.I.E.L.D.
He was hand-picked as a hero with great potential and trained by the greatest secret agents on the planet and this is all the more impressive because he already has more training and experience at his young age than Peter had way back when.”
See what I said about about James Bond stuff in Spider-Man being a bad thing.
Also, if Miles is better because he fought alongside SHIELD, then by this logic Peter would be better because he was a member of the Avengers and FF...at the same time.
Moreover, whilst it’s true Miles has had more training than peter had, he hasn’t necessarily had as much experience.
And the point is moot if training and experience doesn’t translate into you being a better fighter, and at a comparable age, Peter definitely could’ve beaten Miles provided the writers didn’t cop out and have his Spider Sense not work so he can avoid Miles’ cheat code Venom blast.
9. PETER: CHEATING HIS DEMISE
“One time, Kraven filled Spider-Man with tranquilizer darts and left him to pass away, going so far as to bury him. Peter emerged alive, but he later “passed away” after fighting Morlun, only to be reborn with weird new spider-powers. It turns out you just can’t keep him down!”
Okay, but he also died in Secret Wars, Infinity Gauntlet and Infinity War (the comic, not the movie, or it might’ve been Infinity Crusade).
8. MILES: BETTER SUPPORTING CAST
Oooooooooooooooooooooh boy can’t wait for this!
“Sure, given enough time, you may be able to rattle off a few additional names when it comes to Peter Parker’s supporting cats.”
This is such BS because Felicia alone is a more memorable supporting cat than any of the felines in Miles’ series.
LEARN TO SPELL CHECK ON THE ARTICLE YOU’VE BEEN PAID FOR!
“But when pressed, most people will simply say “Aunt May and Mary Jane.””
No, most people would say Aunt May, Mary Jane, Harry Osborn, J. Jonah Jameson, Gwen Stacy and possibly now Ned Leeds due to Homecoming.
And that’s just for Joe Average on the street. Actual comic book fans would say all those people and also probably Black Cat, Betty Brant, Joe Robertson, Liz Allan, Flash Thompson and possibly Norman Osborn and Eddie Brock (the latter being a mistake due to adaptations but still, they’d mention him).
“And while we’re calling them a “supporting cast,” they often don’t play a major role in the story.”
Almost like they exist to...SUPPORT the main story isn’t it? Wheras being a MAJOR character would be different.
This is also a BS metric to use for Spider-Man. Spider-Man’s core concept involves him being a normal guy in his civilian life who is also a super hero, with those two sides impacting upon one another.
Since most stories are mostly about the hero stuff it means that to get the supporting cast involved in major stories would make them involved in the super hero stuff and therefore make Peter’s civilian life NOT normal.
“With Miles, he gets to have his spider-cake and eat it, too. He has a major supporting friend in the form of Ganke Lee, who provides insight into both the personal and the superhero life of Miles. And Miles has an extended supporting cast as part of all those team-ups: Avengers, Ultimates — if Miles needs help, some A-listers are just a dial away!”
First off, by this logic Mary Jane from like 1984 and Aunt May from 2001 would count as equally as Ganke.
Second of all Ganke is literally the ONLY supporting cast the folks with the most cursory knowledge of Miles could name. Even under CBR’s nonsensical logic of Aunt May and Mj being the ONLY people anyone would know from Peter’s cast, that’s still two vs. one. The author brought up a point against Peter and then failed to demonstrate how Miles is better in comparison, probably because he wasn’t.
Thirdly the Avengers and the Ultimates are NOT supporting cast members, they are team mates!
Fourthly, by that logic Peter again has the advantage since the Avengers, F4, the (Netflix) Defenders, the X-Men and literally everyone he ever teamed up with in Marvel Team up count as his supporting cast!
7. PETER: DEALING WITH THE DEVIL
Forget what I said earlier. Now THIS really should be good!
“We’re going to keep saying this over and over again, but the best way to judge a hero is to look at the villains they have gone up against. And in the case of Peter Parker, he’s actually survived the greatest villain in all of history in the devil himself or, as they call him in Marvel Comics, Mephisto.”
That is such insane broken and desperate logic I almost want to love this article for trying.
Peter is better than Miles BECAUSE of the worst Spider-man story of all time.
Wow. That’s beautifully bonkers.
But seriously, this is...just holy shit.
Peter did survive an encounter with Mephisto...but Mephisto was never trying to kill him. They never exchanged blows at all.
Saying Peter survived Mephisto is like saying Miles survived God Emperor Doom in Secret Wars, therefore he’s more awesome.
Then you have the fact that Mephisto really, really, really isn’t even the greatest villain in the marvel universe. I hate to invoke Quesada, but he isn’t even the ACTUAL devil. He’s not even the ACTUAL guy who rebelled against God and was damned to be the ruler of Hell. He’s one of the 4 rulers of Hell alongside Satan, Satannish and Lucifer, who is the ACTUAL Biblical devil. In fact one of them (Satannish) is himself the SON of the Dread Dormammu and supposed to be weaker than his old man IIRC.
DAFQ are you the greatest villain when the DAD of one of your peers is a bigger deal than you are?
And if we ignore morality for a moment and look at raw power, shittons of antagonists are much more powerful and dangerous than Mephisto or else have been capable at times of owning his red ass.
Thanos. Firelord. Hela. Galactus. Annihilus. Dark Phoenix. Arguably Apocalypse and Onslaught.
“Longtime fans don’t like to remember this because it is a highly controversial story. ”
Longtime fans? It was only 10 years ago!
And the sequel was only 8 years ago!
And it got referenced explicitely THIS YEAR!
“Spider-Man basically gets Mephisto to save Aunt May’s life, but Mephisto’s price is that he will rewrite reality so that Peter and Mary Jane never loved each other. ”
Holy shit that isn’t even an accurate summation of the most infamous story ever.
Mephisto rewrites their marriage, not their love. And Spidey gets him to do nothing, it was an offer Peter accepted.
“Is it the clumsiest reset button ever? Sure. But Peter still survived encountering the ultimate evil.”
He survived in so far as he didn’t die. He objectively lost though.
6. MILES: PLAYING WELL WITH OTHERS
“One of the weirder qualities of Peter Parker is how much he likes to keep to himself. ”
No one in the real world does that. And it isn’t like he has a rich friendship group or anything.
“Sure, he’s been on many teams (and that many more team-ups), but at the end of the day, he prefers to work alone.”
Except when he’s in Marvel Team up or with Black Cat.
“This isn’t the case for Miles Morales, which is why the young man has better allies than Peter does.”
Preferring to be a loner vs a team player doesn’t make you better or worse it’s just different. But even if it didn’t Peter has allies too. Most of Miles allies are also Peter’s and Peter has even more.
“Who are we talking about? Miles is both friends and allies with characters like Ms. Marvel, Nova, Amadeus Cho,”
And Peter is both friends and allies with characters like Captain Marvel (both female ones), the ORIGINAL more powerful Nova, and Bruce Banner, a.k.a. the original and holy fuck immeasurably stronger Hulk.
He’s also friends with Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, Wolverine and most of the X-Men and Avengers and F4.
“He seemed to figure out something early on that eluded Peter Parker for many years: that it’s good to have a support system in place, especially as a superhero!”
And yet, Peter survivied on his own for years like a bad ass.
5. PETER: THE MAN, THE MYTH
“While the comic played coy and never confirmed this, it is strongly hinted that Peter Parker is part of centuries of “spider totems” that are chosen as champions. That means the spider that bit him was not powered by radiation: it had powers it wanted to give Peter, and only later passed away due to radiation. You may or may not believe it, but Peter quite likely has centuries of lineage fueling his powers!”
Again this isn’t necessarily a good thing.
4. MILES: BETTER VILLAINS
BWAHAHAHAHAHA...oh they’re serious...
Do you want to know the secret to nostalgia? Your brain only remembers the good parts of whatever you’re thinking about. Your buddy that loves ’80s music? Trust us when we say that he managed to brain wipe some pretty awful stuff — it’s a lot like that with Peter Parker’s rogues gallery.
Sure, there are some cool villains like Venom, Green Goblin, and Doctor Octopus, but there are also some real lame ones like the Shocker.
a) The author can go suck a dick, Shocker is awesome.
b) Yeah SOME cool villains like those 3 guys...and Carnage...and Kingpin...and Hobgoblin...and Rhino...and Scorpion...and Electro...and Vulture....and basically everyone under the Ditko run
c) By this logic Miles villains suck ass too because he’s fought many lame ones too
“Compared to this, Miles Morales has fewer villains, but that means fewer duds as well. ”
Super hero rogue’s galleries are not marked negatively.
It’s one thing if you have few good villains and most of the time you fight lame ones.
It’s entirely different if you have a lot of good villains, and way more disposable rarely seen lame ones. The lame ones don’t make the whole thing suck shit.
This is particularly asinine since most of Miles villains are either Peter’s villains or else the Ultimate versions of them.
What is worse is that by this logic BATMAN has a worse rogue’s gallery than Miles Morales!
“We’ll take cool villains like the resurrected Aaron Davis over Peter Parker’s C-list baddies any day!”
So would I probably but would you take him over Venom, Doc Ock or any of the Osborns!
3. PETER: ALIEN FIGHTER
I don’t even understand how this is a point in Peter’s favour
2. MILES: SPIDER-BITE
“As we said earlier, it often felt weird that Spider-Man wasn’t more like, well, a spider.”
He is like one the author is just a jackass.
“Which is one of the reasons we appreciate Miles Morales so much. In addition to having a cooler backstory”
A near identical backstory made cooler because the author said so...
“and a more realistic costume, ”
Which is bad because in a visual medium like comics where you aren’t bound by the constraints of reality (hence spandex looks awesome) ‘realism’ in your costume designs is not a good thing.
“Miles has more realistic spider-powers as well, including his “bite.””
...his what?
“With a simple touch, Miles Morales is able to incapacitate villains. Now, Spidey being Spidey, he still has to engage in some wild fisticuffs on more than one occasion, but it’s pretty cool to see that he can take down major bad guys with a spider-bite instead of just fists powered by “radioactive blood.””
Wow.
Lets unpack this.
First of all the author is such a dumbass they don’t even realize Miles’ Venom blast (not named because the author is a hack) is not a representation of a spider bite, but of a specific ability some species of spiders possess wherein they can paralyze foes with bio-electricity.
This is one of THE most well known things about Miles.
Second of all if this was analogous to a spider bite wouldn’t it i dunno involve his fucking TEETH!
Third of all this is Miles’ worst power. It sucks the drama out of action sequences because it’s an auto-win button which means he wins too easily or looks like a moron when he doesn’t just bust it out.
1. PETER: STOPPING THE UNSTOPPABLE
Again, there is nothing wrong in this, but like...how does this prove Peter is better.
This article made me ill
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