#kaylor honeymoon

[imkaycurious]

I’m going to Lyon and I think it’s time I start manifesting my secret songs here since our community seems to have some voodoo magic impact

Maroon and sweet nothing are going to be played on my honeymoon in Lyon on 6/2 guys isn’t that amazing!!!! I am so happy!!!

I’m walking down the aisle to sweet nothing 🥰🥰

[towlerknows]

Swifties and Gaylors and Larries

I've been thinking a LOT lately about Larry as I navigate the Swiftie fandom and Gaylors.

No secret that I was a Larrie for years. A "big Larrie" even at one point. I'm not any longer, but I haven't entirely figured out what I do think about Harry & Louis' previous relationship. I'm over Harry entirely, for reasons stated long ago, but I can't quite balance what I used to think about him with who he is now AND who Taylor says he was at 18 (which is about when I started paying attention).

I recognize that I'm experiencing cognitive dissonance, I'm not stupid, but people that can look at baby Harry and baby Louis and not think they were in a relationship - honestly I don't see how! Maybe they weren't, but you can't deny it sure as shit looked like it.

Kinda the same with Kaylor except that I don't think it was ever anything beyond friendship. But doing a full magazine shoot that looked like they were on a honeymoon - yeah, even though I never believed it, that certainly raised my eyebrows a bit and I can easily see how some may have been validated in their thinking. Imagine that photoshoot with Harry & Louis in the midst of Larry fever. My GOD!

But what is really bothering me is how intrusive I was, that we were. I had no business doing that, even if most the information I found was "publicly available." Not everyone knows how to find that stuff and the fact that I did wasn't really an excuse to go after it OR publicize what I found (and likely with completely wrong interpretations).

I also believed some people who weren't being honest and I regret that a great deal.

So if anyone still cares, I'm publicly apologizing for that.

But, as I watch the Swifties talk about Haylor and name songs I'd never heard of as allegedly about Harry, it just doesn't sound like the Harry I've thought he was all along. But are the songs about someone else? Or have I been wrong all along? I fear the second one makes the most logical sense.

I don't know and I'm trying to determine how much I care. I suppose mostly because I still adore Louis 100% and this affects some of what I thought about him all along too (not much though. After being generally "off" immediately after 1D, he's been pretty much who I expected him to be - or better than that - since then. Not so with H).

Anyway, this is me (trying) to figure out what I think and making it everyone else's business.

I just wish we could get some clarity on what the fuck was really going on with 1D from 2013 to 2015. Because it was a mess, no question about that from any of us. And I do think that information would clear up a LOT of confusion in the fandom.

But that, I believe, will be a mystery we just have to live with forever.

[jennyboom21]

@catfoxmandoo @kaleidoscopesanddreams More 2016 stuff

Didn’t she do that in the 22 music video years ago?

[theprologues]

Okay okay I'm not quoting the lyrics. But there is at least 1 song that screams we're still in on it together. How on earth some people are getting break up vibes? And trust me I'm a pretty disgruntled kaylor. I would have called it out had I sensed it. Compared to the depressing break-up vibes of evermore, Midnights is like a honeymoon album.

I still stand by that folklore and evermore are sad albums because she lost her masters, the world was/is a global pandemic at the time. People are so concerned with her art being reflective of whatever her romantic situation is and there is way more to it than that.

[bisluthq]

They're starting up the "Emily was raping Taylor" shit again and also said John coerced her into sex so they're coming out strong with the accusations.

… okay and here we get back to “ask yourself about how your supposed insider would know” tbh.

Let’s say this girl worked for Karlie at a time when Taylor and Karlie were romantically involved. The girl figured it out and has some pieces of info from that time. Let’s even say this Wyoming ranch thing is true right humor me - Karlie’s employee could’ve booked the vacation and Taylor could’ve like asked her to upgrade them to a honeymoon suite because she was like “I’m actually gonna propose.” It’s cray that like the only people who knew about it were TTB and now these Kaylors but go off.

How would Karlie’s employee know who raped Taylor at 16?

Did Karlie prance around the Kloffice talking about sexual assault her wife experienced? And now, years later, instead of trying to disbar this fucking Pence stanning predator you’re “confirming” lesbian Taylor to kids on TikTok? Seriously? That’s what tracks for you??

[kaylor]

I think I’m just not explaining it to you well enough that all of the themes could apply equally to karlie and lily but lily fits the timeline better. I personally don’t think karlie and Taylor ever dated but they could have and tily could have still happened.

friends to lovers-lily was a part of the squad and then could have dated taylor in late 2016

secrecy: miss ma’am has a way less public life than karlie, plus secrecy is just a general gay theme and would probably show up for any woman in Taylor’s discography (notably dianna)

London/Britishness: one of these girls is British and it is not karlie (also “salute to me like I’m your American queen” why would the distinction for an American queen be necessary if talking to another American aka karlie?)

Blue: lily has blue eyes, their social media together is littered with blue butterflies, idk maybe her fav color is blue? Karlie doesn’t fit blue at all though

I’ll give you the daisy because I think dbm could be about a possible kaylor hookup at Big Sur.

Angel/devil/gold: these I would put in the category that would fit both girls equally, since both are blonde vs angels

all this to say that the theme are not solid and concretely about karlie; they could be about a different person. lily fits the timeline of rep recording/writing and the themes so I tend to believe in tily. I have no idea if Taylor is single, with Joe, but she definitely seems to have gone through a breakup and lily was supposedly pregnant in July of 2020.

no you're explaining it fine you're just wrong (or grasping at straws)

first of all, and i know i said i wasn't going to do it for you but here we are, the throughline of new york in taylor's work is directly linked to karlie. she's new york, she convinced taylor to move there, that's where they built a life and literally lived together (for a time). the city where she could want who she wanted - evolved into hiding and sneaking around at night - and ultimately became a place she could never go back to. this is all in the text you don't need to look any further than 1989-rep-lover-folkmore. it's there.

london appears what, once? in her entire body of work post-1989. in a song that sounds to both the trained and untrained ear like a joke? and this is romantic how?

i don't know if you know this either so just for posterity - "salute to me i'm your american queen" was "salute to me like the american dream" at some point during the writing process. there's video evidence of both this and of karlie calling taylor the american dream. also of karlie constantly referring to her and taylor as "normal american girls" like a ridiculous amount to the point where it became a meme.

your whole thing about lily's favorite color being blue is just so dumb im not even going to respond in any substantial way. it's like when joe stans are like omg his favorite color is blue. moot.

also LOL she told a vogue interviewer to take his fiance to big sur on their honeymoon. i'll just let you sit with that for a second. that was the most romantic shit i have ever seen. for anyone who experienced taylor and karlies instagram in real time after big sur happened...i mean i don't think i need to remind you how she captioned a picture of them with yail lyrics do i? come on

you're right that there's absolutely no """conclusive evidence""" for songs being about anyone in particular but you just have to look at what makes the most sense.

[jennyboom21]

Thinking about how in evermore Taylor tells the gaylors that Kaylor is over and then goes on to make it clear to the general public that their friendship is over in its time to go... she really blocked off all the exits and said Karlie stop baiting Kaylors, huh.

Taylor took out Swiftgron at the ankles with the Big Sur lesbian honeymoon posts, then kicked mud in their faces by announcing the firing of Paula, who I doubt was fine with the Manhattan House Shopping trip.

Taylor would have to do something similar with a new “BFF”, or just do Kopy Kaylor Moments ver 2.0, which was probably Swiftgron Erasure. We love a petty gay.

[whatiwillsay]

hello! loved the kaylor pod. much to think about! definitely going to enjoy relistening to rep/lover through the lense of Taylor trying to convince Karlie to date her.

The only thing that really stuck out to me that I didn't relaly agree with was Joshlie, and their commitment to eachother. I've seen sooo many videos of them just being so disinterested in eachother or geotags on Instagram showing that they weren't actually together even though they'd tagged eachother in the photo. this was around prime Kaylor time so maybe during their engagement/after the wedding they decided to work on their relationship more, but if you look at a lot of their pap pictures they don't seem like a couple that's been together for years that are in love.

joshlie is definitely real imo not only based on tea i've heard but also just based on the fact that she is incredibly dedicated to him but also like... she had a baby with him, married him, and converted to Judaism to him.

but also idk who you are or how old you are or how experienced you are with dating so forgive me if this sounds condescending i don't mean it to! but josh and karlie have been together for almost a decade and serious certainly since she started working towards converting for him. after the honeymoon period, once you're comfortable with someone and used to being their partner imo it's natural to see a little less showy pda and a higher level of casualness and ease with one another.

they also may not always be trying to be super into pda. taylor and harry for example staged a new years kiss in time square and held hands all over nyc and danced the nights away and they were fake as hell. they were trying to convince people they were real because they weren't. they had something to hide. josh and karlie may just be at ease with one another and have nothing to prove however...

if you aren't professionally trained in it then why try to do body language analysis? just because they don't "seem" super in love to you specifically doesn't mean they aren't. to me, josh and karlie seem pretty touchy, love-y, and attentive for people who have been together for something like 9 years. i always say around these parts no BLEs please (body language experts) because what do we know? if a timeline doesn't fit or there's obvious lies being told about the museship of songs that's one thing. but a couple not acting like you think they should doesn't really prove anything. we are all different and perceive things differently. we also can't diagnose people's idiosyncrasies. we all have our own little habits that only we can

as for geotags and igs- karlie probably doesn't even run her own ig account + there is all sorts of weird stuff on social media that has nothing to do with who people are dating + their sexualities.

lastly, like you suggested yourself, it's possible joshlie didn't get serious until after karlie started to convert in 2015 which may have been after this kaylor fling or hookup or situatuation.

if you want my opinion, rep and lover imo are mostly not about karlie (i will give you dbm lol the damn daisy in undeniable!) but instead about lily Donaldson (and annoying probably joe somewhat based on new tea i got 😒) so i wouldn't listen to either of those with her in mind unless you want to (and if that's how you like to listen to those albums, w karlie in mind, then totally go for it and enjoy!)

more on lily over at @tilynation + the tily revisited episode of my podcast

but so glad you enjoyed the ep and have come to chat about it with me!

[femmetay]

i miss 2014 kaylor daily. i just went back and looked at some 2014/2015 masterposts yesterday and my heart exploded

i think the most fascinating thing about 2015 kaylor is the vogue couple cover being released specifically for valentine’s day and being paired with the best best friends video where they play the honeymooners game with each other........ i just want it back

[9w1ft]

feels a little early to be writing a year-in review but i find myself in a quiet moment so i thought i’d tap a few things out

in 2019, in all facets of my life, i faced a challenge of some sort and i surprised myself as i held my ground more often than ran away, which felt new. what *also* felt new was this sense of ease i began having professionally, when it came to conceptualizing and making decisions. sorta feels like a lot of things are crystallizing.

in terms of life on here, i didn’t have TSL for the majority of the year (anybody out there remember TSL?!) so i busied myself with crafting fun memories on my own. there were spans of weeks where i’d just get on a tear and run into one new thing after the other and it was all really just fantastic. i gave myself permission to indulge in the most decadent of things and to follow the most mercurial of assumptions to places i thought closed off.

i’m pretty sure i’ve smiled and laughed more over this year than i ever have in my entire life. no joke.

here are some kaylorverse moments that brought me joy in 2019:

it’s nice to have a friend

2018 was my first year being a kaylor and i just sort of was moreover on the contributor or commenter side of things so 2019 was interesting in that when taylor really leaned into the gay imagery leading up to album release, i started getting newer people sending me stuff! and asking me my takes on things! and like, my words suddenly had weight for some reason? it felt weird but i truly enjoyed getting to talk with so many different people and hear their ideas and laugh and such. that was markedly different from last year. from within this, 79-swift reached out to me with the eye theory, the most beautiful and rare of observations by a singularly lovely individual that i have dedicated my life to protecting and promoting. and i feel like i’ve gotten to know many people i knew through 2018 more deeply and have come to accept the role i play, lean in to it, and formulate my own truth of the matter, and that sort of heightened perspective on it has been a blessing and i’m so thankful for this strange sense of camaraderie that has formed with many of you? thank you??? and my conviction, and my wishes, for the girls to find happiness have only strengthened this year... im committed to seeing this through whether people like it or not!! harumph!

block ‘em

i also started proactively curating my experience.. that’s right! i began blocking trolls with reckless abandon, and i turned anons off! 😂 and damn it’s so much more worthwhile of a time on here when you set aside people that only want to ruin your day.

i got over my fear of eyeballs!!

😂 no seriously, body horror and in particular eyes out of context was actually sort of a thing that previously creeped me out BUT LOOK AT ME NOW. i’m gonna do my best not to rehash the eye theory, please read the post and recall the number of times i filipped out 😂 each and every one is precious to me

also

geeking out with bert and ernie gifs with kaylorfossil and making empsmd-blog drop her debit card need a mention.

the ME! music playlist.

i fell in love with so many songs and like, running into eye motifs in so many of the songs, lyrically and visually, was the most hilarious thing. but really just a lot of the songs really tapped at my soul with an ice pick and i even went to go see The Japanese House live in Osaka which was transcendental and i’m just so thankful for having taylor introduce Good At Falling to me because it was a *necessary* album.

i made and collected stuff

i made and amassed many artifacts that one day i can look back on and remember what a wild ride it has been. some favorites are my procuring of the pixel art heart ring from the ME! mv (a nod to my tsl days..), as well as the evil eye ring.. i didn’t physically make this but the eye theory made the taydar podcast and there’s nothing i enjoy more in this world than making someone giggle and i just love that the episode exists. making that kaylor straw was 👌 working on a mock-up of the golden locket has been very satisfying. i started incorporating fun kaylor winks into my artwork as well which was fun, and i also commissioned a collage from the very talented and lovely valheria and i couldn’t have asked for anything better 🥰

wildin in the TS7 tag was the best.

i made this observation that there’s this type of cocoon that looks like a cobra, which transforms into a butterfly over a period of 13 days, and like, the post got so many notes and i just had a lot of swiftie eyeballs all of a sudden on my blog which led to some hilarity. but honestly i just love geeking out over theories and it’s fun to get to do that as fans of taylor at large. things felt warm and effervescent.

my newspaper subscription

i subscribe to the TTB Times and let me just say the submissions and anons this year were overwhelmingly a delight to read through every day. also like, we did get cued in to stuff before album release and i am just thankful that there are people out there both who want to give us that and people who work to help them give us that. thank you ttb for moderating your blog (my newspaper of choice) however it is that you do and to everyone that contributed to her blog.

the whole lead up to the ME! video release

so glorious... but particular the hour before. i was rushing to pick up my kid from school and suddenly i kept getting messages from people that taylor was covering her face and framing her eyes, and i was like oh please yeah sure BUT THEN when the snake in the video had a blank eye like i don’t think you guys understand i had to wait at a bus stop and exchange pleasantries with the other moms but it was a *five alarm fire* in my mind

cause shade never made anybody less gay

stealing away to listen to YNTCD for the first time and hearing Taylor Alison Swift use the word gay in a released song for the first time was a transcendental moment

karlie’s hand in the YNTCD mv.

‘nuff said

daisies. daisies everywhere.

taylor said daisy kaylor rights, and she said it everywhere. *everywhere*. cannot, will not, get over how blessed we are.

gay gay gay gay gay.... taylor’s

sorry not sorry that wiz khalifa collab with elohim on her track FYM was ethereal and i still hope it’s a part of the preshow playlist for Lover Fest

clue hunting in klossy videos and karlie ads

call me a corporate shill all you want like, there’s always a little something in there and i also enjoy the little flickers of goofy karlie that jump out from time to time. and i know this is not the case for everyone but post eyepocalypse, karlie leaning in, winking that eye of hers time and time again was just pique comedy for me and it always made me chuckle. the brands karlie has repped have been really laying it on thick too and it’s been a joy to see. when taylor does it with her music it’s art, and for me karlie’s media presence is a form of art too 😌

oh kaptain my kaptain

kimby liked a comment of mine on her insta which was a distinct honor and privilege 😌 and really she was dropping clues left and right through spring up until she got her snazzy new job and things calmed down 🥰 of which i am so proud talk about an on brand job! also partially clearing the air about my TSL theory and the lead up to clearing that air was quite fulfilling for me and i am forever grateful for the time we shared. and to this point, the seesters in general (and kurt omg) have been quite active all year and we don’t deserve it but they’ve stuck around and it’s been calming.

album cover art release on the livestream

LIKE I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE NEVER HAD A FOURTH WALL BROKEN SO DULY

i love you forever, thank you for everything

when taylor came to visit tokyo this year i was basically reenacting the swamp scene from OOTW trying to get a ticket to the secret event... i listened to ME! on LINE MUSIC for over 2000 plays, i bought multiple CD’s, it was such an ordeal and then to not have a ticket after all but still putting on my thinking cap and managing to figure out where the event was while i was at disney sea and literally running from disney sea to the venue in high heels with The Man playing on my phone was oscar-worthy and actually *being correct* and the moment i knew i was correct and how i knew i was correct was so amazing 😉 and i play by the rules so i didn’t try to get in without a ticket and i didn’t lurk. but just to have figured it out and validated it was such a thrill. seeing her on TV live was amazing as well ///

lost in japan, reprise

oh and, last year for rep tour there was this theory i had which didn’t pan out but it had to do with the clues i thought shawn mendes was dropping through autumn 2018 and anyway that’s a story for another day but as i was bopping around town, looking for lockets, staying in rooms i have no business being in, drinking lots of whisky...just to know that while i was doing *everything but* successfully meeting taylor, she literally phoned shawn and had him record lines for that eye theory remix like, i will never ever, like, guys. guys. 😂 it’s too perfect for words. the world is weird like that sometimes.

Lover

and omg Lover the album? i absolutely love lover and i loves that honeymoon period of theorizing and parallel unearthing that we did and i love how slightly creepy-cute it is and i love the whole wabi-sabi thing going on and i absolutely love every song on the album, every one, they all have so much meaning to me... and each one is teeming with little blips and bloops and sound samples and seconds of silence and i love all the brass instruments and so many lush moments... i guess my shortlist (in no particular order) would be the archer, lover, i think he knows, daylight, cruel summer, false god, cornelia street, ME! (yea i really like me 🥰). and to think about everything that went in to the album and the thrill of what it might have been and the vastness of what we don’t know, but like, the weight of that potential?? it’s like this vast pastel and black abyss of drowsy and deep feelings and i love every inch of it. it’s a vibe that reflects so much of what this year has been for me and i’m happy to have existed in this time to have had it with me.

jesus this has gotten too long, and i still have like 24 more things to write out but um, basically, as i’m sure you’ve been able to assume? i wanted to say that despite 2019 being somewhat of a slasher film affair for our fandom, i still had a goddamn great time this year and i hope everyone can find some good memories and relive them as well 🥰

[taylortruther]

Daisy here: sorry I came off as harsh, but the ask box is only so big, y'know? Taylor wore daisies before and after the daisy photo. They have one weak link of daisy to Kaylor and they've run with that for 6 years. It's typical of how Kaylors do 'proof'; they discuss an idea for a bit and then they label it proof, like the eye theory and the orange theory and the wyoming trip and the Taylor=James theory and on and on ad nauseum. If you take a good look at it, the real evidence is very flimsy.

you make a great point about the logical fallacies present in the kaylor myth, which a lot of kaylors take as fact, like the orange theory or the wyoming trip. but the daisy thing is different because it is the one thing that, of all the examples you mentioned, there is evidence of. they were on a trip to big sur together, a place taylor has said is good for a honeymoon; karlie listened to 1989 on that trip, and taylor captioned one of their instagrams “on the way home” - a quote from YAIL; karlie tagged taylor as the daisy they picked on that trip, and then taylor’s next album had a line saying “now i’m your daisy.” 

i don’t personally think the daisy is a strong connection (because imo the daisy theory didn’t reappear after reputation, with the exception of that curious “i tried” pin) but it’s unique from the wyoming trip, for example, which TTB has peddled because karlie and taylor were both quiet on social media that weekend. (the scandal!)

[thetaylorfiles]

Please pass along to your anon that my aunts portrayed themselves to the world, including my whole family, for TWENTY YEARS as "best friends". They OWNED a house together and "had separate bedrooms". GAYYY LESBIANSSS the whole time. This was right after my aunt spent 4 years with a man, married him, and left him on the honeymoon. These are regular ass folks, not famous women with millions of eyes on them, or contracts at a young age *possibly* 'advising' them not to be true to themselves.

I’m well aware, as is the anon I’m sure, that many older people (and some younger who live in less progressive cities or have religious families) present gay relationships as best friendships. Like, you don’t actually think we don’t know that, right? And that by telling us about your aunts, we’ll be like, “ohhhh. I get it now. Since those closeted lesbians acted like friends, then Kaylor MUST be true since Karlie has a room there!”

No. It’s more like, what’s the fucking point of giving Karlie her own guest bedroom and pointing it out to the journalist to tell the entire world if they were closeted and trying to keep the love affair to themselves? There’s just no logical reason for Taylor to go out of her way to show off Karlies guest room at her house.

But! Let’s pretend you’re right. Let’s pretend that they were glass closeting and acting as friends but were secretly together.

Okay.

Now what?

Please explain the last four to five years to me. Because hell, I’ll give you that back in 2015 it was MUCH more likely that they could’ve been a couple. They were so close! So affectionate! It wouldn’t be unheard of for two friends to make the transition to something more. Back then, I certainly thought it was possible.

But now we’re here. They haven’t been in the same room in almost 5 years. One is married to the man she’s been with for almost a decade and provides weekly proof of this. One is with her boyfriend of 4 years in the UK and there’s plenty to back that up. And there’s just not enough ridiculous conspiracy theories out there to make up any plausible scenarios in which these two women are lovers.

[iwanthermidnightz]

whilst explaining to someone that kaylor is the most realistic option on t's public life, i suddenly realized how true what i was saying was. and now i'm back in that honeymoon phase from when i first discovered this rabbithole. i cant believe people doubt it at all. i just blew my own mind probably more than the person i was talking to

It be like that sometimes 🤯

[reysccp]

What is your favorite gaylor or Kaylor moment?

I think, objectively, that the Big Sur is the big Kaylor moment. Cmom, it was a honeymoon trip! A few weeks latter they were like living together and adopting a cat!

Also we have the "on the way home" caption that makes undeniably You Are In Love about Karlie. And I swear, anon, I always cry when I listen to this song.

Second, objectively, we have the VSFS, 2013 and 2014.

2013 is amazing. The backstage video where Taylor is staring at Karlie with her mouth open???

Also "you two are dancing in a snowglobe round and round"??? Did I mention YAIL is OBVIOUSLY about Karlie?

And what can I say about VSFS 2014? (They were OUT there. Who can deny?) look how proud Taylor is!!

"Yep, I'm dating this super model angel woman, yep, me, yep"

But my FAVORITE, FAVORITE moment is the Knicks Game. That was a DATE ladies and gentlemen. They were out on a date. Holding hands and drinking beer out of plastic cups.

And exactly that moment "relax" "I'll try" is my favorite Kaylor moment.

[that-curly-haired-lesbian]

Prompt: Just Kaylor being cute & really soft & tender talking about things that they really want at their wedding that'll happen after they're both finally out of the closet. Like both of them talking about what sort of color scheme they want, and what sort of flowers. Who they want to do what in their bridal parties. If they should use Big Sur as their venue or go there for their honeymoon. How long they want their honeymoon to be & if they're bringing the furbabies along on the honeymoon, ect.

Anon, I am so S O F T for this, it’s now on the list and I honestly can’t wait to write it!! 💖✨✨✨

[bisluthq]

You know when you look at Lover its actually a very anxious album and kaylors think its because how she was on the breaking point? with karlie but its actually such a period after honeymoon phase album. Like from solving fights with sex to her “cant stop loving you” she was just worried that she’d lose him. Swifties think its a pure love album and kaylors think its a sad album but its really in between. She -as every normal human being- was afraid to fuck this one thing up. The way she called her mom and not him after watching that movie or the ellen interview and the aotd speech….

See but I LOVE that about Lover. I love the “this is a longterm relationship and I love him but there are problems will they go away??” of it all because it’s deeply relatable? Rep is honeymoon phase, Lover is what happens afterwards right when you actually live together and you realize that all that KOMH shit is fun and games but like the person is gonna have moods, and you’re gonna have fights and misunderstandings, and you’re gonna have your own insecurities that play up. And then the folkmore love songs to me are the next stage - like, “these problems won’t go away but that’s okay because this is my Person™️ at the end of the day - not just for New Year’s Day, not just when we’re fucking, but like for the foreseeable future and if it ever goes wrong this won’t have been for naught.”