#jonsa headcanons

[agentrouka-blog]

I was reading ASOIAF the other day and just realised that all of Sansa’s suitors are blondes. Joffery has blonde hair, cause he is really a Lannister, we don’t know what Willa’s Tyrell looks like, most fanart of him depict him as a brunette like Loras and Margery, but it would be fun if it was revealed that he was a blonde. Tyrion, again, blonde because he is Lannister and finally Harry Harding, another blonde man. Jon (if he is the final suitor, fingers crossed) is the only one with dark hair.

Hah, it's hilarious to imagine that Willas Tyrell might have taken after silver-blonde Alerie in his coloring, unlike his sumptuously brown-haired siblings who took after Mace! Your mind, anon!!

The world: *consistently pushing light-haired suitors at Sansa*

Sansa: *consistently mooning over the skinny dark-haired teenagers who are good with swords and brave in a fight and prone to dramatic facial injuries*

Gee, I wonder what the author is building toward? :)

[polysucks]

I’m dead serious when I say I want you fuckers to fill my ask box with the most deranged asoiaf takes you have. It can be contextless. I don’t care. Square up. Bring your a game. I wanna smell ur depravity through the screen.

Send me ur au ideas and headcanons. Send me ur whack ass theories about Harrenhal. Do you love Sansa stark as much as I do? Do you still hate her in 2024? If you do, tell me about how your mother dropped you on your head as a child.

Who is the top? Rhaenyra or Alicent? And why is it Alicent? Tell me about Miku Binder Aemond.

Tell me why Joffrey deserves to be on the throne, and how you got severe brain damage while you’re at it.

Tell me why Theon Greyjoy lives in your head rent free. Ask me why I wanna peg Ramsay Bolton, or Tywin Lannister.

Tell me how tight you think Jaime’s hole is. Can Jaime Lannister beat Hermione Granger WITHOUT a Valyrian steel sword?

Do you have an asoiaf OC blorbo that you just need to gush about? (Please)

Do you love georg railroad martin? Do you hate him? Wanna peg him, too?

My ask box. Open 24/7. I dare you.

[mkstrigidae]

APWH preview snippet!

Since I'm actively trying to work on getting the next few chapters out, I thought I'd share a little future scene with some hints of Jonsa with all you lovely people! This bit is from like, a few chapters in the future bc it's the in-between that's giving me fits right now :) (Fair warning: this is unedited and subject to change! That being said, it's such a fun scene that I can't imagine ever nixing it :D)

“Does he even know that they have to avoid the press?”

“For the last time-“ Sam sighed, sounding completely exasperated, “Dickon knows what they can and can’t do- he’s got enough practice not being photographed from when our dad was the secretary. Not to mention spending time around you when that exposé on your crazy grandfather came out two years ago.”

“I just-“ Jon sighed, blowing a stray curl out of his face. “You didn’t see how freaked out she was when the press caught us at that performance in White Harbor. I thought she was going to have a full-blown panic attack.”

He was immediately derailed by Gilly plopping little Sam down in his lap and shoving a bottle into his hands.

“What’s this all about?” he raised a brow, adjusting the baby on his lap, allowing him to latch onto the cuff of his flannel shirt and start gnawing at the fabric. “You going somewhere?”

Gilly shot him a withering look, but he saw the amusement in her eyes.

“I-“ she gestured, imperiously, “Have not had time by myself to shower all week-“

“Sorry, love.” Sam winced, looking up from his pile of paperwork. “I can take a break from these-“

“Not your fault, Sam.” she waved him off. “You warned me about this conference at the beginning of the summer.” a grin played at the corners of her mouth. “Besides, it works out well- Jon needs a distraction right now from the fact that Sansa’s on a date with your extremely hot and conventionally attractive brother.”

“Hey!” Sam looked wounded, and Gilly rolled her eyes, pressing a kiss to his forehead.

“You know you’re my favorite Tarly.” she wrinkled her nose. “How long have you been working on this presentation? You smell like the baby spit up on you.”

“Guess I’m next in line for showers.” Sam said, mournfully. “Unless-“

“Nope- I need my own time right now, Samwell. Did you even hear what I said about why Jon’s bent out of shape?”

Jon had known Gilly since Sam and she had met up north while the two of them were in college. Sometimes, it was hard to reconcile the timid, scared girl she had been with the woman who was currently devoting all of her remaining energy to busting his balls.

“Don’t tell me you’re worried about Sansa with my brother.” Sam snorted, shotgunning another cup of coffee next to him the way Jon was used to seeing undergrads do with jaeger shots. “I mean, this is Dickon we’re talking about. Used to bring wounded animals home to take care of them Dickon? The same guy who cried when we had movie night and Gilly and Rhae wanted to go see ‘Love, Simon’?” He shook his head. “Look, as far as guys she could be out on a date with right now go, Dickon’s kind of the best case scenario. She’ll have a nice time, and he’ll be a perfect gentleman.”

Jon blinked at him, silently turning to look up at Gilly, who rolled her eyes and sighed.

“You’re hopeless, sweetie.” she kissed him on the forehead again, wrinkling her nose. “He’s not worried that things will go wrong- he’s worried they’ll go a little too well.”

“You’ve been spending way too much time around my sister.” Jon muttered, narrowly avoiding little Sam’s grasping reach for his glasses, managing to get the baby to latch onto the bottle before he destroyed any more of Jon’s eyewear. “You even sounded like her just then.”

Sam blinked for a second, his head whipping between Jon and Gilly.“You’re jealous?” He asked, incredulously. “Of Dickon? Wait- you like Sansa?”

“Got there in the end.” Gilly sighed, affectionately patting him on the shoulder before going to shower, leaving Jon and Sam behind with four cups of coffee, one baby, and approximately five brain cells total between the two of them.

“You like her.” Sam repeated, like it was a giant revelation.

“What are we- in middle school?” Jon hissed, immediately turning his head down to smile and make faces at little Sam while he fed him, before glaring up at big Sam again. “I don’t- I mean-“

Sam was just shaking his head.“Of course you do.” he laughed. “Should have guessed- red hair and a damsel in distress? You were doomed from the outset.”

“Shut up.” Jon muttered, flushing. “It’s not like that.”

“Then why are you worrying about Dickon for fu-“ Sam glanced nervously at the baby, “-god’s sake? When Gill was meeting my family for the first time, I remember you told her not to worry- that my brother was ‘one of the best guys you know’ and ‘practically a golden retriever’.”

Jon could tell that Sam, who could not raise one eyebrow without the other, was desperately trying to do just that.

“I don’t know.” He muttered, moving little Sam to his shoulder to start burping him. “Look- I’m attracted to her, alright? It’s a fu- er, a giant disaster that I’m gonna ignore for the rest of my life.”

“Seriously?”

“Stop trying to do that with your eyebrows.” Jon complained. “It’s giving me motion sickness. And yes, seriously. I’m not even going to consider that- it’s just a stupid crush. Besides,” he sighed, rubbing little Sam’s back comfortingly, “Robb’s already dealing with enough right now with this whole Sansa situation- can’t imagine telling him I think his sister’s attractive while he’s being forced to suddenly confront all of his guilt and self loathing every time he looks at her.”

“That whole bro code thing of never dating your friend’s sisters never really made sense to me.” Sam shook his head, gulping down more coffee. “I mean, I’d be thrilled if you decided to date Talla, because I know you’d be good to her.”

“Yeah, don't think she'd quite go for that, mate.” Jon snorted, standing to bounce little Sam around gently. He was just grateful Sam hadn’t said anything else about Robb.

“Eh, wouldn’t count you out completely.” Sam shrugged, smirking. “With that hair, you’re pretty enough to be a girl- maybe that’d be enough for her.”

“You are so lucky i’m holding the baby.” Jon muttered, still bouncing little Sam, who picked that moment to spit up spectacularly down Jon’s back.

“Well, that’s three of us who’re gonna need showers now.” Sam grinned, looking thrilled as all get out that it hadn’t been him. “Wow- his aim is getting better.”

“I’m going to remind him of this when he’s a sulky teenager.” Jon grumbled, wiping spit-up off his shoulder as best he could. “Look- no gossiping with Rhae about this, please. She thinks she’s such a good clandestine agent that she doesn’t always realize that Robb is better at sniffing out her plots than she thinks.”

“Alright-“ Sam sighed, looking back down at the massive stack of paperwork in front of him. “I make no promises for Gill, though.”

“Gilly could give some of my Uncle’s colleagues at the WIA a run for their money when it comes to withstanding interrogation.” Jon snorted.

“Probably true.”

“Where did your brother take Sansa?” Still holding onto a now much happier baby with one hand, he reached down the other to take a gulp of his own coffee.

“He said something about going out towards the Tyrell Estate.” Sam shrugged. “They probably drove out there to see the gardens- he’s said it’s a good road to take his bike out on.”

Jon promptly spat out his entire sip of coffee, staining the front of his shirt as well as the back, and frightening little Sam enough that he started to cry.

“He took her on his motorcycle?”

Gilly picked that moment to reappear, completely clean and with wet hair, blinking at the scene in front of her.

Sam, who couldn’t seem to stop laughing, was desperately trying to calm down the baby, who had started wailing, while Jon’s entire front was covered in coffee and his entire back was covered in baby vomit. Not that he seemed to notice, as his face was white and he was making a series of angry looking hand gestures at her husband.

“I really can’t leave you three alone for five minutes, can I?” she sighed. “Do I even want to know?”

[steelivoryporcelain]

For the OTP ask game, I’m curious about #9, #18, #28, #31, #37, #39

#9 What are their thoughts on having children?

They both want children is the short answer. The long answer is, Sansa wants to have children, several of them, very much, and she’s primarily interested in having them with Jon.

Jon also wants children, but he is still very serious about not wanting to father any bastards. There is a small group of people who know the truth of his parentage and Jon’s not keen on expanding that group anytime soon. Targaryen’s in Westeros weren’t popular before, and they definitely aren’t now. And marrying his “sister” would not be well received either.

#18 How likely are they to have fur babies? How many and what kind?

Ghose is very much alive and well with them at Winterfell! Sansa constantly dotes on him and Jon complains that she spoils him too much. Since the Wall near Eastwatch-by-the-Sea was destroyed, more (but not many) direwolves have been seen roaming further south. It's Jon's dearest wish that Ghost finds a mate and they have pups because he knows how much Sansa misses Lady and would love to bond with another direwolf.

#28 What are their thoughts on pet names? Do they have any?

Jon calls Sansa "sweet girl" in intimate moments, and Sansa adores this. He also shortens her name to "Sans" when they are in private or in the company of people they are close with. Sansa just calls him "Jon." She just likes how his face softens when she calls him Jon. That being said, Jon wouldn't be opposed to Sansa giving him a pet name, but he'd prefer her to use it only in private moments.

#37 Which is more likely to swear?

Neither is necessarily more likely to swear, but the situations in which they are most likely to swear are essentially the inverse of each other.

Jon is more likely to swear around other people, but he swears less around Sansa. Ned would never swear around her and Arya, and Jon always followed suit (and gods forbid Lady Catelyn heard him swear in front of one of her daughters). Logically, he knows that Sansa doesn't care if he swears in front of her, but he's still trying to get past the instinct to bite his tongue when he's about to swear in her presence.

Sansa's still getting used to swearing aloud. She swears plenty in her head as an adult, but she was taught that ladies don't swear. Now, if she does swear, it is still never in public; she reserves it for Jon :)

[greenhikingboots]

Dance With Me, Jon Snow

Hey there. So I’ve been sweetly tortured by a headcanon ever since I read @cappymightwrite anon meta, and now it’s time for you to be sweetly tortured by it too.

Wait! Last minute addition inserted right here! I’ve just realized I never actually finished Cappy’s meta. Sorry! The thing is, it’s super long and every time I’ve tried to finish it, I’ve gotten way too excited. Seriously. Such jittery energy. And then I have to scurry off to channel that energy into something like writing snippets of one-shots I’ve never posted. But basically, I think Cappy says way more brilliant stuff than I’m about to but doesn’t directly say my headcanon despite coming very, very close at some points.. So, yeah, I just wanted to clarify that distinction before moving ahead. ❤ Okay, let’s review! As Cappy’s meta taught us, “anon” means soon or shortly. That means when Alys uses the word in the passage below, she uses it incorrectly.

When Owen the Oaf began to dance with Patchface the fool, laughter echoed off the vaulted ceiling. The sight made Lady Alys smile. “Do you dance often, here at Castle Black?” “Every time we have a wedding, my lady.” “You could dance with me, you know. It would be only courteous. You danced with me anon.” “Anon?” teased Jon. “When we were children.” She tore off a bit of bread and threw it at him. “As you know well.” “My lady should dance with her husband.” — ADWD, Jon X

Cappy has some great stuff to say about this, though the strikethroughs and bracketed additions are mine. 😜

Jon immediately picks up on this fumble [and thinks of Sansa, as my headcanon will imply], though tellingly perhaps, he does not clarify this mix up to the reader, he simply repeats it quizzically and teasingly back to her. I’d wager that was very intentional on GRRM’s part — an instance where he is encouraging his reader to do a bit of investigative work, instead of offering up a clear explanation right there on the page. [once again hiding Jon’s direct thoughts of Sansa. That’s the headcanon, anyway. Give me a minute to explain it better.] 

So Alys uses “anon” incorrectly, but two Jon POV chapters later, he uses it correctly when thinking to himself. He’s watching the wildlings pass through the Wall. It’s taking all day. When they start to jostle each other, Jon realizes it’s more than impatience. It’s fear. And then there’s a new paragraph with the new anon line. 🆕

A snowflake danced upon the air. Then another. Dance with me, Jon Snow, he thought. You’ll dance with me anon. — ADWD, Jon XII

The line feels out of the blue to me, which got me thinking about another headcanon I’ve shared — the one I already linked in my bracketed additions above. Maybe you’ve read it before? It’s about the scene where Jon sees Val with Ghost, her physical description changes to be more like Sansa’s, and he thinks that it’s been a long time since he’s seen such a lovely sight. Then, two pages later, there’s the willowy creature line.

Val looked the part [of a princess] and rode as if she had been born on horseback. A warrior princess, he decided, not some willowy creature who sits up in a tower, brushing her hair and waiting for some knight to rescue her. — ADWD, Jon XII

Basically, I made the argument that even though it isn’t acknowledged on the page, Jon knew he’d briefly, unwillingly thought of Sansa. I wrote, “Go read it again, and I think you’ll see that when the willowy creature line happens, it actually feels like a weird logic leap. The dots aren’t connecting because one dot is missing!!!!” 🔍 To me, it seems like this second “anon” line is similar (but without Jon’s defensiveness which leads to a judgemental thought). In short, both are seemingly out of the blue because GRRM is hiding something from us. My evidence to support this is limited, but I do have some. As Cappy pointed out, Jon and Sansa both have memories of snowflakes falling on Robb’s hair the day they left Winterfell. Jon thinks about it a few more times than Sansa does, but here are some  examples from both of them, as a reminder. ❄

He remembered the day he had left Winterfell, all the bittersweet farewells; Bran lying broken, Robb with snow in his hair, Arya raining kisses on him after he'd given her Needle. — AGOT, Jon V He remembered Robb as he had last seen him, standing in the yard with snow melting in his auburn hair. — AGOT, Jon IX She had last seen snow the day she'd left Winterfell. That was a lighter fall than this, she remembered. Robb had melting flakes in his hair when he hugged me… — ASOS, Sansa VII

Let me come back to this in a second. I now want to make sure it’s very clear that Jon’s thoughts while the wildlings pass through the Wall — the second “anon” line in the book — are a callback to Alys, sure, but he isn’t quoting her, right? As previously established, she uses anon incorrectly whereas he uses it correctly. Plus she never says, “Dance with me, Jon Snow.” Those are not her words. 🚫 So what is Jon recalling in that moment, if not Aly’s wedding day? Well, I guess it could be argued that he isn’t recalling anything in paticular. It could be a pure daydream, a piece of foreshadowing and nothing else. But that doesn’t sit right with me. I think this line is a direct hint at moments from Jon and Sansa’s shared past. Because, correct me if I’m wrong, but the books have plenty of instances of characters repeating past conversations and quotes to themselves (“You know nothing, Jon Snow,” is one that leaps out at me, of course), but not instances of characters making up fake conversations that could happen in the future. So here’s my headcanon. “Dance with me, Jon Snow.” ← A younger, courteous Sansa who loves to dance tried to help Jon feel involved during some fancy feast where he’s mopping in the corner (to quote the show). Given the next line, he must have obliged. 🆗 “You’ll dance with me anon.” ← What Sansa said to Jon the day she left for King’s Landing and he left for the Wall. It was her way of saying, “This isn’t goodbye forever.” 💃 It’s the way they both think of Robb with snow melting in his hair that really does it for me. It’s so close to a shared memory, almost like they were in the courtyard at the same time. And yet GRRM doesn’t tell us about their final goodbyes to each other!? Yep, put another tally in the column labeled Jon Was Directly Thinking of Sansa In That Moment But We’re Not Supposed to Know That Yet. That’s my headcanon and I’m sticking to it. I’m never going to get around to putting into in a fic, so here’s a Tumblr post instead. 🎉

[winterrose527]

~couple questions~

jonsa

4. How do they compare to each other's exes? Are they the same "type" or an upgrade/something different?

12. What struggle have they seen each other through?

15. What habits or characteristics have they picked up from each other?

18. Would they have kids together?

25. Who said "I love you" first?

27. What interests do they share? For interests they don't share, do they ever participate anyway?

Ooh thank you for these asks. I'm starting with jonsa because you're TOO kind to include the other ships. I'm going canon era rather than modern AU because it's just where I feel these babes the strongest.

Also apologies because this is horrifically long and nonsensical.

4. UPGRADE BABYYYYYYY. It's like, not even close. It's not even a little close. Sansa 'You're as different to Joffrey as anyone I've ever met' Stark. Jon 'She's the best they could ask for' Snow. They're such a wild upgrade on one another's past relationships - if one wants to call them that. And actually looking at those two quotes I love how singular they both are. Like it's not just 'you're great' it's 'you're the best', even when we didn't get them the way we wanted they are still just so much better than everything we were given.

12. What struggle haven't they seen each other through? But in all honesty I think the biggest thing that they personally share in common (I am saying personally because their entire family suffered the loss of one another, etc.) is the loss of agency. And it happens so soon for both of them. Sansa arguably never had that much of it, but Jon was a highborn bastard, he literally could have gone anywhere and done anything but he went to one of the most restrictive sects in the Seven Kingdoms. Sansa chooses a path to become Joffrey's queen. I think those two paths are really interesting because they're both ones that are chosen through their idealism, when as the reader you know that as Joffrey's Queen, Sansa would be his prisoner, and as a member of the Night's Watch, Jon will be the realm's prisoner.

That they are basically both choosing to not have real choices for the rest of their lives because they simply don't understand the implications of it.

And then I think both of their journeys are learning those implications and fighting against them when they could and surviving them when they had to.

I truly think that a lot of what we saw in Season 6 is that struggle with agency. How do they reclaim themselves when they are suddenly beholden to one another? You know you can almost see it in both of their eyes, even as relieved as they are to have found one another, there seems to be this sense of would it have been easier if I didn't? and I think that is where they clash, as they both somewhat overcorrect.

and I also think that is PART of what Sansa is so upset about when Jon returns with Daenerys. Yes, it's about the North and yes, I believe she's jealous, but I think Winterfell became a symbol of their agency and so when Jon gave it to Daenerys it wasn't only that he was giving away his own but that he was taking Sansa's too. Which is one of the reasons that in spite of everything there is something to that they'll have Ned Stark's daughter to speak for them. they could not hope for better. because it is almost an acknowledgment that she has healed more than he has, that she has learned her lesson in a way that will not allow her to forget it again.

Sorry I feel like I bungled that explanation & I know it's not a cheery 'resolved' thing but I don't think of Jonsa as resolved. I just think of them as complex and delicious and we could have had it allllllll

15. I love love love the call back of Jon behind his desk at the Night's Watch with Sansa behind hers at Winterfell. Also, I'm sorry, you cannot convince me that Sansa's 'Go on, I believe in you' is not at least a little inspired by Jon? like it's so different to anything else we've heard her say, it's so like... soldier to soldier goading, that there is no organic way she would have picked it up if not for spending time around him and his men and I just loved it?

but in all honesty, I think something that I like is that for the most part they really don't bleed into one another. they are such distinct people to me, and they each make the other more of themselves rather than blending into one another.

18. IF THE GODS WERE GOOD BABY GIRL. And like, I'm so glad that we've now taken out the stigma of Queen's ruling because JON SNOW IS A GIRL DAD JON SNOW WILL ALWAYS BE A GIRL DAD.

25. Oh gosh. I go back and forth on this one, but I think Jon felt it first and I think Sansa says it first.

27. Surviving is like a big one tbh. They like it so much. They're so good at. Others can die mad about it - oh wait they did.

In terms of hobbies, I don't see a ton of overlap, but I think they're very good at being with one another while they are doing their thing. And then when the kids come most of their 'hobbies' are centered around them so of course they're shared.

[sarcasticoctopi]

Yes, like mother Swift, I am the problem.

bitches will be like "this is my comfort ship" and it's literally at least one, but usally both of the most traumatized characters together

it's me. i'm bitches.

[jackoshadows]

The most amazing thing about Jonsa shippers is how confidently they just assert that all their fanon, fanfiction and headcanons actually happened in the books and at a certain point everyone else pointing out how this is untrue just give up. There's no arguing against ignorance.

Following up on this post, the same person then goes on with more fanfiction against two redditors trying to engage with them on actual book canon lol.

One thing I have noticed is that when you get into a discussion with Jonsa/Sansa stans, 90% of the time, instead of actually engaging with you, they will link to a relentlessly long essay full of nonsense to support their argument. That's because they have not actually read the books - everything they write is regurgitated from these idiotic metas and so they just link to it thinking that it will convince us or change our minds.

They know they can't argue against walls of book text that disproves the outright fallacious nonsense they put forth as canon and immediately go " Well, I don't have the time, there are other expert, smart Jonsas who have analyzed all this and say that Jonsa is a thing in the books so I trust them. The end.' Mind closed. And that's the problem with debating with Jonsa shippers - you will never change their minds because they are not open to changing their minds!

Like there are folks in there telling them that Alys looks like Arya and that's why Melisandre mistakes one for the other. But no, here have this big essay with maps and such filled to the brim with pure nonsense on why Sansa is the 'girl in grey'....

EVERYTHING in that reply is the same old tired nonsense again and again and again:

Sansa was hiding in the Vale as Petyr’s bastard and modeled her identity as Alayne basically after Jon.

NO SHE DIDN'T. It's right there in the text after Myranda Royce brings Jon up and Sansa says that she hadn't thought of Jon in ages. All the while Sansa is thinking of her family and where she can flee to - she even thinks of Tyrion as an option, but never Jon. She is playing a pretend bastard and never once thinks of Jon. This idea that she modeled Alayne after Jon is contradicted by the text but they think repeating it enough times will make it canon or something.

They’re both honorable and compassionate people. They’re both arguably spoiled.

Sansa is 'honorable and compassionate'? Sansa? Compassionate?

Poor Mycah must have missed out on that. It's not Arya that's risking everything to save a butcher's boy who is honorable and compassionate. It's not Bran standing up for Hodor against the Frey boys who is compassionate and honorable. Oh no, that's Sansa!

And sorry but there is no comparison here to Jon and Sansa being spoiled. None. Jon had a chip on his shoulder from being a bastard. Donal Noye sets him straight, he learns, acknowledges his privilege and APOLOGIZES.

I am still waiting on Sansa to atleast reflect in her thoughts about how she treated Arya - but no, Sansa is still blaming Arya for Lady! Her father had to lose his head before Sansa even figures out that these cartoonishly evil characters were actually evil while betraying her family to become queen. No introspection, no growth, none.

The absolute worst part of this ship is all these trash parallels between the two characters when they couldn't be any more different to each other.

He (Jon) thinks of her as he’s dying.

WTF!! NO, JON DOES NOT THINK OF SANSA AS HE'S DYING!

As for Jon’s tastes, Jon is also a sheltered teenage boy who had never had a romantic relationship with anyone before meeting Ygritte.

Jon's tastes don't matter because he was a sheltered boy! You just wait he will totally change once he meets Sansa!

especially because there is no chance in Hell that with Jon’s station and lowly birth he could even marry a lady of good standing to begin with.

Totally! He only dislikes ladies like Catelyn and Sansa because he could never hope to marry a 'lady of good standing' and not because of the emotional abuse and bigotry.

And yet — when Jon dreams, he doesn’t dream of these warrior women. He dreams of having a traditional wife who will give him sons and rule Winterfell with him.

WTF! HOW IS VAL A TRADITIONAL WIFE?! Did I miss something? Does he dream of starting a family with someone else?

There’s also other things too; like Jon conflating red headed characters with Ygritte (right after he thinks of Sansa singing and brushing out Lady’s coat, he thinks of Ygritte’s words, he thinks Melisandre is Ygritte at first, his favorite part about Ygritte was her pretty red hair), or him calling Sansa radiant and immediately despising Joffery.

He compares Ygitte and Melisandre because Mel has red hair and is called the red priestess for a reason!! At no point does he conflate Sansa with Ygritte or Melisandre. Sansa has auburn hair like Robb and Bran and Rickon.

And I already made a post about this, but you know nothing Jon Snow is either about Arya or about Bran, Rickon and Sansa. So no, it's not specifically about Sansa - more Jonsa fanfiction.

And so, so tired of this Jon is jealous of Joffrey over Sansa nonsense when Jon as a typical male teenager is annoyed that Joffrey is taller than him and Robb despite them being older and because Jon has more house loyalty than Sansa he dislikes Joffrey for his derisive attitude towards Winterfell.

Especially annoying that as the redditor replying to them points out that ALL the Stark kids start out as naive dreamers! Arya and Bran are ten times more honorable and compassionate than Sansa! Arya had to pretend to be shit as well, for longer than Jon and Sansa! Arya almost loses herself - only Needle is preventing that! Bran has to stop and prevent himself from warging Hodor and retaining his humanity. Arya, Bran, Rickon ALL WANT TO RETURN TO WINTERFELL! And yes once they get older, these kids will also want to name their future children after their ancestors!! What's so unique about any of this shit to Jon and Sansa?!

But these shippers will basically downplay all these themes for the rest of the Starks and then innocently ask 'why does Jonsa get so much hate?' 🥺👉 👈

You’re entitled to your opinions. But I didn’t come here to debate

I didn't come here to debate while writing a whole fanfiction essay about Jonsa! There will be no more comments from them.

[alaynestcnes]

do you have a favourite modern au! jonsa headcanon?

Hmmmmm I’m just a sucker for the classic sansa ‘that’s just jon, robb’s childhood friend who lost his family who basically lives with us and is an honorary stark but ugh he’s grumpy and quiet and now we’re older and robb and dad are gone and jon’s just still around and he’s just…kind of caring…and he’s taking on a parental role with rickon and bran and…yeah, okay, whatever, he’s kind of cute and funny and makes me feel safe and seen and he’s always the one I want beside me and oh god how did I never see him before’ and ditto for jon except he’s always kind of had a crush on her so he’s just soft for her.

[frazzledsoul]

I have to say I find it hilarious that Casey Bloys said today that maybe the Jon Snow spinoff isn't such a bad idea after all and they can "try again" while Kit and Sophie are about to start filming their Jonsa AU movie.

I highly suspect that HBO wanted to do a show about Targ exceptionalism and Jon fighting the White Walkers again and/or becoming king and possibly resurrecting Saint Dany to make the Targ fans happy. HOTD is feeding directly into their fantasy of how the Targs are the glorious, prophesied heroes and Dany is going to save the world (even if they can't rewrite the GoT ending, they can hint at it). I suspect Kit wanted to do something that focused on Jon instead (whatever that was).

I'll still choose my Jonmund headcanon over whatever they wanted it to be, though

[asoiaf-essays-collector]

I love the asoiaf alternative reality that is painted through jonsa theories. It makes so much sense from both Doylist and Watsonian perspective. I can almost see all the dragon savior princess fans writing tumblr essays about how she was wronged and robbed by evil master-manipulator sansa who was supposed to stay in the vale because she is too passive and boring. All of this just ... fits together. And it fits asoiaf fandom perfectly - all those massive fandom wars that are yet to come.

You literally make no sense and sound stupid as fuck. Jonsa saving dark Dany? Shut up.

Hi, anon! I thought I've scared away all the aegonys before but it seems not.

Jonsa will save Dark Dany in a way that Dany will be made more sympathetic to the eyes of the readers. It won't be like in the show where she's just reduced to a delusional pyro tyrant with no saving grace. Let's think about what jonsa means in relation to a dead Dany. What are the results in the end? Wouldn't it look like Jon and the Starks conspired to kill the poor Dragon Queen after using her armies and dragons? Jon, the "filthy" betrayer even gets to marry the love of his life by getting rid of the woman in the way of that marriage!!! How very convenient for him. It makes Dany a victim. It would seem like the Starks got all the benefits(if we disregard all the sacrifices to get there.)

I'm just saying jonsa will be one of the reasons for Dany's turn and she wouldn't be totally wrong about her suspicions. It doesn't make it okay to torch the people of KL but still, wouldn't you say jonsa is a hateful reason enough? So there you have it, jonsa is the justification Dany stans can use to excuse Dany's actions. You're welcome. I mean, Jon and Sansa are already blamed but let's make them official and more hateful in the books.🤭🤭

[esther-dot]

I miss Jonsa so much but I miss the fandom so much more. I missed the emotion of coming to tumblr and always finding theories of what would happen next, great authors writing brilliant fics, just people enjoying art and talking about it for so many years. There were chat groups and so many ways to share your theories and analysis time and time again. Even when season 7-8 aired and we suffered and got frustrated and sad together.... it was wonderful it was a shared experience but now there are really few people still in the fandom and it's just sad that now feels so lonely when it used to be my comfort place.

I’m so sorry you feel that way, anon! I chose to leave the one jonsa discord I was part of not long after joining it, so I don’t feel quite the same sense of loss, although I sympathize with your feelings of bereavement. The tags aren’t as active as they once were, but considering how much we hated how they wrote Jon and how long ago GoT ended, I think our fandom does a remarkable job in still finding things to talk about. We still occasionally get new art (lovely, gorgeous, pls we are not worthy more here), we still have active fic writers (a writer of all AUs, modern AUs, on a crime and horror kick, historical and canon-verse AUs, so many more authors -fic tag!), and we even still get new gifsets and so many parallels!

I understand it isn’t the same, your favorite writer may have left the fandom, there isn’t a constant flow of new content, but it makes me even more grateful for those who still do attempt to contribute to the fandom, by creating or by encouraging those who do, by simply reblogging or leaving a comment or sending an ask. It will never be the same, but still find so much joy in our little corner of the fandom.

Also, the announcement of the Jonsquel has some show fans occasionally poking their heads in, so when we get a release date for that, I think there are a lot of people ready to get the buzz again! If you want to dm, I’ll happily chat about GoT with you, or feel free to send asks with headcanons etc. Many of us still enjoy talking about jonsa even if we aren't spontaneously overflowing with ideas!

[asongofstarkandtargaryen]

What does this brydeswhale person have against you? I saw them shitting on Jon secretly giving lessons to arya post. As if au ideas are made with strict adherence to societal norms of the imagined time period after extensive research. They are kind of like obsessed with you

You probably mean this reply to my Jon-Arya post:

I don't know why they decided to reply to a couple of posts of mine but I do hope that Jonsas will stop interacting with my posts. They obviously don't care enough about either Jon or Arya so their opinions aren't welcomed in my posts.

It is hilarious though that they attacked me on the grounds that according to them my headcanon doesn't work in a real medieval society. Because their headcanon of Jon having feelings for Sansa doesn't work and goes against his characterization in the actual books. Maybe if they spend less time stalking blogs they dislike and more reading the actual books they would have a better understanding of its characters.

[steelivoryporcelain]

For the ask game: 26, 31, 32

#26 What are their vices?

Is being willing to kill anyone who so much as looks at Sansa the wrong way considered a vice? If so, that's Jon's.

This isn't a vice - but Jon does tease her about it regularly - which is her sweet tooth.

#31 Can they sit side by side without touching the other or are they handsy? (lacing fingers, touching knees, etc.)

They were able to sit side by side for the longest time without touching - they both thought they could live with the charged emotional space between them.

They are still of course very discreet about it though. Neither would put their hand on the other's knee while they sit at the high table, but they do find excuses for their knee to brush against the other's. They feel more comfortable with physical affection in private - they'll lace fingers while reading and answering correspondence and when they sit by the fire bed they hold hands as they talk about how their day went.

#32 Who's the better storyteller?

Sansa is, mostly because she spent a lot of time reading as a mental escape while she was in King's Landing.

[rise-my-angel]

All this talk about dom Stark men lately is very obviously helping our case about how very normal we are about our dom Stark men.

Listen, everyday I log on here and see posts from targ stans shipping grown ass Targaryean men with their sisters, neices, and cousins. And everyday I have to look at gifs of Daemon the child fucker with his neice-wife Rhaenyra the spoiled racist princess, and hear people talk about how they are actually so cute aside from the times he groomed her as a teenager and choked her like 10 seconds after she gave birth.

THEY CAN PUT UP WITH ME GOING ON ABOUT THE STARK MEN BEING DOMS IF I CAN ENDURE THEIR INCEST TALK.

Also to be fair, I do not claim to be normal about dominant Stark men. I will champion those headcanons because someone openly depraved enough to write about it consistently can handle the backlash. I will be the lone Stark men dom pusher, because I'm blocked by every other targ/jonsa/jonerys blog already anways. I'm used to the fandom looking at my posts like "wtf is wrong with this chick"

[greenhikingboots]

ser shadrich the mad mouse is howland reed, and he will be killed while trying to help Sansa and this is important to GRRM so that howland reed is no longer available to reveal to Jon the truth about his parents.

but he might reveal it to Sansa as he struggles through his last breaths, who then withholds the information from Jon because she wants the North to rally around them. and this withholding of truth, rather than sharing it when asked not to like in the show, could be the thing that eventually causes strife between them.

of course they work it by the end and we’ll get Jonsa but, oh, the angst in the meantime!

these are my headcanons and the hills I will die on unless GRRM ever finishes those books.

(i will be back later with the best canon scene to support the mad mouse = howland reed theory.)