#jonathan silvercloud

[stormandforge]

Raw reactions to X-Force #5

Yup, someone dies.

MASSIVE spoilers (and controversial opinions) below.

It's Nori. There'd been so much foreshadowing in the comic - and so much fan discussion about the upcoming character death - that I had started believing it wouldn't be her. But no, it was always going to be her. When you consider the way she joined the team, her post-Krakoa trauma, her selflessness and her relationship with Forge, it makes complete sense.

That death scene goes hard. We actually see her burned-up corpse, we hear her farewell words - oof, my heart. Rest in power, little blue-haired hero.

This said, everyone attacking Geoff Thorne over Nori's death needs to calm down. I would understand this amount of upset if he'd done her dirty, but he really hasn't. He's consistently written her with respect, gave her as much spotlight as he could in a team book, and gave her a heroic death. Stories kill characters, people. That's just the way it is.

Also: Nori's coming back, maybe even in this run. We just don't know yet. And don't give me nonsense about the resurrection protocols being gone - mutants came back from the dead before Krakoa, they will continue to do so.

"Forge always has a plan." YES. Nothing to do with his power; he's just always up to something. That's Forge 101. Fuck me, it's so good to have a writer who understands him. And because Thorne has done his homework, I believe what we're witnessing is a typical Forge plan: something that he believes will benefit the greater good, but that is also misguided and full of hubris and will repeatedly backfire in his face.

Forge can be cold, but this is subzero. He loves Nori, he wouldn't act that way if he was fully himself. Something's going on. Someone needs to shake him real hard - beat him to a pulp, really - and realign his neurons. The two most qualified people to do that are showing up in the next issue, so I'm thinking this is what will happen.

Why does he take her gauntlets? It can't just be for the sake of getting his tech back. As i said he's not that cold, and also he can probably make those again in his sleep.

FORGE ALMOST KILLED AN ALT VERSION OF STORM IN COLD BLOOD. The man is not well, I'm telling you.

There's a theme of Forge hurting the women he cares about in this issue. Trust Sage to see the pattern and get the hell out before anything can happen- the hurting or the caring.

OK, now he's levitating with a big shiny triangle around his body. That's magic, isn't it? For a second I started thinking the Analog must be magic after all, but then I remembered Sage loves staring into it too, so it can't be. Mmm...still processing.

Thorne understands Forge's power better than any writer I've seen (yup that includes Claremont), and I appreciate that he mentions his need for materials to build anything. It should be obvious, but most writers have him make things out of thin air. There's only so much he can fit in that utility belt.

So many people, so many things! Poor Marcus To.

Marcus To is still doing excellent though. Do I need to tell you that Forge is hot? I think I've been clear on that already, but let me reiterate: FORGE IS HOT.

"Slippery as ice": oh, that made me hap-py. Such an evocative, accurate way of describing Sage.

No, Forge's power doesn't let him see what will happen. But you know whose power can see every eventuality? Sage's. This was highlighted in the very first issue, and Forge repeats the exact same words from this moment in this issue. THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT.

I continue to dig the dynamic between Forge and Sage, curses and all. The little cerebral push and pull they have going on is very interesting.

Also continue to adore Tessa herself. The way she challenges Forge at every opportunity, the way she always asks the right questions *chef's kiss*. Everyone obviously wants to murder Forge on that last page, but I love that she's the one who tells him to go fuck himself, even though she's been the person closest to him on the team. She's my girl. I'm this close to opening a side blog entirely devoted to her awesomeness. (I see what Geoff Thorne means when he says she tries to steal the show. She does!)

OK, so, there's no way Forge has a team anymore at this point, so I assume the next issue will be a downtime one. I imagine he'll go home, have an existential crisis featuring his two exes (as you do) and then get back on the road. Or something? Also, the next issue has a Sage variant cover, which could imply she plays an important part in it. One can only hope. If it's the issue of Forge getting his ass kicked by awesome women, she should take part.

[siderains]

“i could live forever, and still, my endless imagination would never conceive of a thing as perfect as you” is the standard reaction to ororo’s presence so yeah you’re still getting slapped after that tech man you don’t deceive my queen like that

[ariel-seagull-wings]

From Uncanny X-Men Annual (2006): Prelude to the Wedding of the Century.

@stormandforge

[heckcareoxytwit]

As the rampaging Nuklo threatens the worlds and kills the two mutants of the alternate universe, Surge decides to end the threat by sacrificing herself to defeat Nuklo. Surge burns herself out with her electrical energy, costing her life. The grieving Sage blames Forge for allowing his teammate/protegee to die.

X-Force v7 #5, 2024

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I don't know what to feel about this. Surge may have died a hero's death but since she is an X-Student (and a POC), it's disappointing when she is fridged like a C-List character. If Surge gets brought back to life (like maybe as an energy being), then it would be fine.

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[menderash]

wolverine & the x-men was a good show, forge and toad were the BEST and most UNAPPRECIATED boys from their respective teams, and i will never forgive god for letting the show get cancelled right before the arc where they would have been teammates and friends and eventual boyfriends.

[waldoirby]

(day 72) Forge!

The neat thing about Forge, IMO, is how he avoids some of the more basic stereotypes about indigenous people. The X-Men have about five or six major Native American characters, and their heritage is often reflected in their codename and powers. Forge, on the other hand, rejected his training as a Cheyenne medicine man and chose to embrace technology rather than mysticism. We actually don’t even know his Cheyenne name, only his mutant name-- Claremont’s notes refer to him as “Daniel Lone Eagle,” and some online sources refer to him incorrectly as “Jonathan Silvercloud;” neither is canon. That sets him apart. I can’t speak on how deftly this is handled in all cases, I’m sure some Native readers would have more insight on the subject than me... but anyway that’s what I think is interesting about Forge.

[goddamnmuses-a]

X-Men Fancast Part 5.

Brittany snow as Dazzler (Alison Blaire)

Danny Trejo as Forge (Jonathan Silvercloud)

Joe Keery as Gambit (Remy LeBeau)

Lana Condor as Jubilee (Jubilation Lee)

D.B. Woodside as Bishop (Lucas Bishop)

[stillnotfromcanada]

Toad-ally *X-men Evolution* (Todd/Forge) Part 2

“And……done!”

Forge sat back in his chair, pleased with himself. He never thought he’d ever say this but,

“I can’t wait for school tomorrow”

The next day, it was official. Get a schedule, get introduced in class, stare at Toad, do homework.

Forge was definitely happy to see Toad’s face light up when Forge was introduced to the class.

This was one hell of a crush. After all, Forge was in beginners math! But Forge really never paid attention. Forge could literally blink and answer the question in a few seconds. And everyone seemed to be on his case.

“Why are you even in this class?”

Forge was pretty good at playing deaf or changing the subject. Forge sure as hell wasn’t going to admit he did this all for one guy. One really groovy guy who gave Forge goosebumps when they laughed.

Forge was outside with Toad during their lunch period. Forge’s heart was doing backflips and he couldn’t stop laughing or smiling and Forge saw that Toad was doing the same.

“Help me up, yo” Toad extended his hand.

Holding his hand, Forge pulled Toad off his ass. Forge pulled Toad too hard, causing them to be face to face. Forge still held Toad’s hand. Blushing he asked,

“Is there a malt shop nearby?”

“What the heck is that?”

“…….It’s a place you get ice cream, soda, and burgers……..do they not have those anymore? What kind of apocalyptic future did I return to!?”

Todd snorted as he laughed.

“Yeah, we got one of them old diners, grandpa! I’ll take ya! After school, y'now. Just calm your ass down!”

Forge was smiling.

“Neato”

Toad and Forge were eating chili fries at the diner when Forge spoke up.

“I remembered my name today”

A pause of silence.

“You gonna tell me, yo?”

“I dunno, man”

“You don’t gotta”

“But I wanna”

“Well?”

Forge took a deep breath.

“Jonathan. Jonathan Silvercloud. That was my name. Before I was Forge”

“So you saying you ain’t no more?”

“I guess so. That name doesn’t mean anything to me. It’s just……kinda dead now”

“Have ya….told anyone else?”

“No. And I’m gonna keep it that way”

They were both quiet.

“Thanks for telling me, yo. Appreciate it, y'know?”

Forge smiled. Holding Toad’s hand, he replied,

“Toad-ally”

[stormandforge]

"We had our time. I loved her. I always will. But that's the past."

In X-Force issue #6, Forge finally relegated his relationship with Storm to the past. He'd never done it explicitly before.

It might sound surprising coming from me, but this line made me very, very happy. Specifically because it's Forge who's speaking.

Over the years, many writers have tried to give the Storm/Forge relationship proper closure (after the initial Scott Lobdell fiasco in 1992, I mean. Don't get me started). The last few times this happened, the conclusion was more or less the same: Ororo saying or implying that they'd had their time, but it was over, while Forge reluctantly acquiesced with with his bottom lip quivering. Ororo got to move on; Forge didn't.

[From Uncanny X-Men Annual #1, 2006, written by Chris Claremont. Ororo leaves her relationship with Forge behind in the build-up to her wedding. Forge doesn't stop her, but he clearly isn't ready to let her go either.]

Because he's a much less popular character, no writer cared enough to let him move on. Sure, he had a fling with Mystique immediately after he and Storm broke up, but that was over 20 years ago, and it was never presented as a solid relationship. After that, writers returned to having him pine over Storm again and again.

[Greg Pak's Storm #3, 2015. He tries to get in her pants. She's dating Wolverine.]

[X-Force #9, 2020, by Benjamin Percy and Joshua Cassara. This is in the background of a big panel of the Green Lagoon full of customers, but there's still an effort to make the dynamic very clear in the body language. Forge= still trying and Storm=still not interested.]

You could even argue they used him as a prop for Ororo's other romantic relationships by presenting him as the creepy ex.

[Astonishing X-Men #30, 2009, by Warren Ellis. This arc juxtaposes Storm's marriage to Black Panther with her past relationship with Forge, and considering that he's gone insane at that point, he suffers from the comparison. And he's obviously still obsessed with her.]

[Extraordinary X-Men #6, 2016. In this run Jeff Lemire created a love triangle made up of Storm, Forge and Old Man Logan. Although this takes place 20 years after their breakup, Forge is presented as clingy for some reason, thus making RoLo look like the better option.]

So loving Storm became one of Forge's defining characteristics, like his power or his headband. It also meant he was kept in stasis: a character can't evolve if they're always bound to another.

But now we have the new X-Force, which was pitched as a Forge book from the start, and a writer, Geoff Thorne, who's actually interested in writing Forge. And the best way to make Forge evolve as a character, it pains me to say, is to loosen, if not sever, his ties with Ororo.

By finally saying these words, Forge doesn't just decide to move on from his ex: he breaks free. He becomes his own character. He reclaims power. This is huge.

Does this mean Storm/Forge is over for good? Well, no. He does say he still loves her. His love might just be different from now on, is all. Less all-consuming. Also, it's comics. Nothing is forever and anything can happen.

What it means is that we might get new stories for Forge, instead of constantly going back to Ororo and everything connected to her (like the guilt around the power neutraliser, which he also lets go of in this same issue). That's exciting if you ask me. Ororo herself would be proud. And an independent Forge is so much more worthy of her anyway.

"I always loved you far too much to ever cage you." Forge said this to Ororo in a dreamscape once. It definitely works the other way around, too.

[siderains]

forge striking sentinels down while saying “yahooo!!!!!” silly goofy guys do matter sometimes

[ariel-seagull-wings]

FRIENDS

@stormandforge

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[tristanjohnson]

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[menderash]

ok here’s my plan to save marvel, a company i adored that made me start drawing comics in the first place, but has lately just been breaking my heart:

first, marvel hire me and i will fuckign fight your nazi-loving writer nick spencer in a parking lot, and then i will gladly accept your offer to both retcon your disgusting ass secret wars event, and then i will write a whole series called Forge & Toad, wherein i fix your stupid ass decision to perma-kill your most popular and oldest native character and i will revive him like he’s jean fucking grey. maybe mortimer toynbee, amateur street vigilante, who i decided now looks a bit more like his ultimate timeline version bc wow what a great look, finds something to do with the ghost box event that killed forge to begin with, and somehow accidentally revives or regenerates him from the remnants of his creation. good job toad! toad, having proven again and again in multiple universes that he’s a good person at heart, takes forge in and helps him recover his strength and his memories.  they bond over how they both constantly get the short end of the stick in their lifetimes no matter what team they were on. they form an interesting duo. toad being frightening-looking but street smart and intuitive with a history of fighting for the true underdog, and all mutants in the area knowing of and more-or-less trusting him. and despite forge being a charismatic man in his past, his mental illness and trauma relating to his death has left forge anxious and socially inept, but still with his genius intact, so he acts as toad’s tech support and book smarts as they solve crimes and injustices done against the mutant and inhuman community. maybe there’s references to how they were close friends/teammates in the age of apocalypse timeline? either way a couple issues deep into the series they eventually develop romantic feelings for each other. it’s sweet and a lil awkward just bc of who they are as characters, but if anything that just makes it work better. forge is dealing with recent trauma and ptsd, and toad has a long standing experience of dealing with fucked up mental stuff, abuse, trauma, etc, and helps forge cope, which drives them closer. i’ll think of a confession later but mark my words it’s quirky and adorable with only a little of forge worrying sick over toad bc he cares abt him. the whole series would be tongue-in-cheek, a little campy, but ultimate an allegory for and actually presenting fighting injustice against the marginalized, AS MARVEL SHOULD BE AND THE X-MEN WERE INTENDED TO BE. forge and toad are the new #Iconic marvel couple, they murder a bunch of hydra agents, and then they kiss. forge makes a joke about toad’s tongue. also forge is much taller than toad, of course. the end.

[stormandforge]

Storm #5 variant cover by Mark Brooks (on sale 19 February).