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[stormandforge]

Raw reactions to X-Force #5

Yup, someone dies.

MASSIVE spoilers (and controversial opinions) below.

It's Nori. There'd been so much foreshadowing in the comic - and so much fan discussion about the upcoming character death - that I had started believing it wouldn't be her. But no, it was always going to be her. When you consider the way she joined the team, her post-Krakoa trauma, her selflessness and her relationship with Forge, it makes complete sense.

That death scene goes hard. We actually see her burned-up corpse, we hear her farewell words - oof, my heart. Rest in power, little blue-haired hero.

This said, everyone attacking Geoff Thorne over Nori's death needs to calm down. I would understand this amount of upset if he'd done her dirty, but he really hasn't. He's consistently written her with respect, gave her as much spotlight as he could in a team book, and gave her a heroic death. Stories kill characters, people. That's just the way it is.

Also: Nori's coming back, maybe even in this run. We just don't know yet. And don't give me nonsense about the resurrection protocols being gone - mutants came back from the dead before Krakoa, they will continue to do so.

"Forge always has a plan." YES. Nothing to do with his power; he's just always up to something. That's Forge 101. Fuck me, it's so good to have a writer who understands him. And because Thorne has done his homework, I believe what we're witnessing is a typical Forge plan: something that he believes will benefit the greater good, but that is also misguided and full of hubris and will repeatedly backfire in his face.

Forge can be cold, but this is subzero. He loves Nori, he wouldn't act that way if he was fully himself. Something's going on. Someone needs to shake him real hard - beat him to a pulp, really - and realign his neurons. The two most qualified people to do that are showing up in the next issue, so I'm thinking this is what will happen.

Why does he take her gauntlets? It can't just be for the sake of getting his tech back. As i said he's not that cold, and also he can probably make those again in his sleep.

FORGE ALMOST KILLED AN ALT VERSION OF STORM IN COLD BLOOD. The man is not well, I'm telling you.

There's a theme of Forge hurting the women he cares about in this issue. Trust Sage to see the pattern and get the hell out before anything can happen- the hurting or the caring.

OK, now he's hovering above the ground with a big shiny triangle around his body. That's magic, isn't it? For a second I started thinking the Analog must be magic after all, but then I remembered Sage loves staring into it too, so it can't be. Mmm...still processing.

Thorne understands Forge's power better than any writer I've seen (yup that includes Claremont), and I appreciate that he mentions his need for materials to build anything. It should be obvious, but most writers have him make things out of thin air. There's only so much he can fit in that utility belt.

So many people, so many things! Poor Marcus To.

Marcus To is still doing excellent though. Do I need to tell you that Forge is hot? I think I've been clear on that already, but let me reiterate: FORGE IS HOT.

"Slippery as ice": oh, that made me hap-py. Such an evocative, accurate way of describing Sage.

No, Forge's power doesn't let him see what will happen. But you know whose power can see every eventuality? Sage's. This was highlighted in the very first issue, and Forge repeats the exact same words from this moment in this issue. THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT.

I continue to dig the dynamic between Forge and Sage, curses and all. The little cerebral push and pull they have going on is very interesting.

Also continue to adore Tessa herself. The way she challenges Forge at every opportunity, the way she always asks the right questions *chef's kiss*. Everyone obviously wants to murder Forge on that last page, but I love that she's the one who tells him to go fuck himself, even though she's been the person closest to him on the team. She's my girl. I'm this close to opening a side blog entirely devoted to her awesomeness. (I see what Geoff Thorne means when he says she tries to steal the show. She does!)

OK, so, there's no way Forge has a team anymore at this point, so I assume the next issue will be a downtime one. I imagine he'll go home, have an existential crisis featuring his two exes (as you do) and then get back on the road. Or something? Also, the next issue has a Sage variant cover, which could imply she plays an important part in it. One can only hope. If it's the issue of Forge getting his ass kicked by awesome women, she should take part.

[siderains]

“i could live forever, and still, my endless imagination would never conceive of a thing as perfect as you” is the standard reaction to ororo’s presence so yeah you’re still getting slapped after that tech man you don’t deceive my queen like that

[ariel-seagull-wings]

From Uncanny X-Men Annual (2006): Prelude to the Wedding of the Century.

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[waldoirby]

(day 72) Forge!

The neat thing about Forge, IMO, is how he avoids some of the more basic stereotypes about indigenous people. The X-Men have about five or six major Native American characters, and their heritage is often reflected in their codename and powers. Forge, on the other hand, rejected his training as a Cheyenne medicine man and chose to embrace technology rather than mysticism. We actually don’t even know his Cheyenne name, only his mutant name-- Claremont’s notes refer to him as “Daniel Lone Eagle,” and some online sources refer to him incorrectly as “Jonathan Silvercloud;” neither is canon. That sets him apart. I can’t speak on how deftly this is handled in all cases, I’m sure some Native readers would have more insight on the subject than me... but anyway that’s what I think is interesting about Forge.

[goddamnmuses-a]

X-Men Fancast Part 5.

Brittany snow as Dazzler (Alison Blaire)

Danny Trejo as Forge (Jonathan Silvercloud)

Joe Keery as Gambit (Remy LeBeau)

Lana Condor as Jubilee (Jubilation Lee)

D.B. Woodside as Bishop (Lucas Bishop)

[stillnotfromcanada]

Toad-ally *X-men Evolution* (Todd/Forge) Part 2

“And……done!”

Forge sat back in his chair, pleased with himself. He never thought he’d ever say this but,

“I can’t wait for school tomorrow”

The next day, it was official. Get a schedule, get introduced in class, stare at Toad, do homework.

Forge was definitely happy to see Toad’s face light up when Forge was introduced to the class.

This was one hell of a crush. After all, Forge was in beginners math! But Forge really never paid attention. Forge could literally blink and answer the question in a few seconds. And everyone seemed to be on his case.

“Why are you even in this class?”

Forge was pretty good at playing deaf or changing the subject. Forge sure as hell wasn’t going to admit he did this all for one guy. One really groovy guy who gave Forge goosebumps when they laughed.

Forge was outside with Toad during their lunch period. Forge’s heart was doing backflips and he couldn’t stop laughing or smiling and Forge saw that Toad was doing the same.

“Help me up, yo” Toad extended his hand.

Holding his hand, Forge pulled Toad off his ass. Forge pulled Toad too hard, causing them to be face to face. Forge still held Toad’s hand. Blushing he asked,

“Is there a malt shop nearby?”

“What the heck is that?”

“…….It’s a place you get ice cream, soda, and burgers……..do they not have those anymore? What kind of apocalyptic future did I return to!?”

Todd snorted as he laughed.

“Yeah, we got one of them old diners, grandpa! I’ll take ya! After school, y'now. Just calm your ass down!”

Forge was smiling.

“Neato”

Toad and Forge were eating chili fries at the diner when Forge spoke up.

“I remembered my name today”

A pause of silence.

“You gonna tell me, yo?”

“I dunno, man”

“You don’t gotta”

“But I wanna”

“Well?”

Forge took a deep breath.

“Jonathan. Jonathan Silvercloud. That was my name. Before I was Forge”

“So you saying you ain’t no more?”

“I guess so. That name doesn’t mean anything to me. It’s just……kinda dead now”

“Have ya….told anyone else?”

“No. And I’m gonna keep it that way”

They were both quiet.

“Thanks for telling me, yo. Appreciate it, y'know?”

Forge smiled. Holding Toad’s hand, he replied,

“Toad-ally”

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[stormandforge]

Can't unsee this

*Sage's voice* There was always a nonzero probability Forge was a deadbeat dad somewhere.

[siderains]

forge striking sentinels down while saying “yahooo!!!!!” silly goofy guys do matter sometimes

[ariel-seagull-wings]

FRIENDS

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From Storm #3

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[siderains]

omg forgeeee hiiii

[ariel-seagull-wings]

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[stormandforge]

Been staring at this

[stormandforge]

And just like that, Forge has a name.

I almost choked when I heard it. I use captions, so I could see I hadn't imagined it, and I was in absolute shock. I repeated "DANIEL?" in disbelief about 10 times, my hand on my mouth and my eyes wide. I looked at my husband to confirm I wasn't going insane. Then I stared into space for the rest of the episode.

X-Men '97 using Forge's real name was the last thing I expected. And the way they did it, too, so casually, in conversation. I'D BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR 30 YEARS.

You might think it's a small thing, but before X-Men '97 episode 10, so before yesterday, Forge didn't have a real name. He was introduced in 1984. Let that sink in: that's 40 years without a single Marvel writer bothering to give him a name.

The fans, myself included, came up with headcanon to justify the decision and sometimes made up names for him in fanfic (Jonathan Silvercloud being the most famous one - no it's not an alt reality name, it comes from fic), but no Marvel writer took the time to explain or rectify.

This was frankly insulting of them, especially when you consider Forge's constant presence in the comics, and the ridiculous number of names some other characters have. Also, and perhaps most importantly, Chris Claremont had already planned a name for him:

All Marvel needed to do was use this name to make it canon. Or perhaps ask Claremont if they could use it. (And if they didn't want to speak to Claremont, they could still just...make up another name. You know, that thing writers do all the time.) But no, even after the name was announced on Twitter, it still was never used, on panel or elsewhere.

Enter a simple piece of dialogue in X-Men '97, and boom, Forge has a name. It wasn't that difficult, was it? Such a small move, but it shook me like a bomb. It's a historic moment for the character, and for the people who love him as much as I do. It's like he was finally given an identity, and with it the basic dignity he deserves.

I had imagined all sorts of scenarios in which his name would be revealed - all quite dramatic or emotional. But I guess the best way to retcon something that doesn't make sense is to pretend it never happened. So revealing his long-withheld name in conversation, natural like, is absolutely perfect. I love that Forge doesn't even react, because, you know, it's just his name, no big deal.

(I'm a bit sad that Ororo wasn't the first one to call him by his first name, but hey, you can't have it all.)

As far as I'm concerned, the name is canon now. '97 isn't the comics, but it's still Marvel, and that's good enough for me. I've waited long enough. And if the first name Claremont wrote is canon, then so is the last.

Which means: Forge has a full name. *SQUEEEEEEE*

I don't know who made the decision to use Forge's name or why, but I want to thank them. They righted a major wrong.

Now catch up, Marvel Comics. Everyone deserves a name. Even the monkey wrench repairman with non-flashy powers.

Everyone, meet Daniel Lone Eagle.