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i apologize for being rude. i misread your tone and that's on me. i get multiple asks a day, not to mention reblogs/replies/etc of people who are just flat out being an asshole and trying to start drama so i leapt to a conclusion and i'm sorry for that. you are allowed to have your opinion, but i'm also allowed to have mine. and i fundamentally disagree with you about most of the things happening here.
i don't have any thoughts about what you're talking about with 'yellow fever.' mostly because i don't think anything having to do with dean in that episode is really a problem. the racism and the disgusting re-traumatization of someone who was already disgustingly traumatized is the problem.
as for amy pond, i... don't think dabb villainized dean for that. i think sam did, and then the fandom took that at face value. but even if dabb did do that, he's not the only writer to have ever done so. dean gets villainized for doing a lot of things that other characters do all the time! that's not unique to dabb.
if people don't like dabb era, that's fine. nobody has to like it. but that's not the same thing as it being out of character, which was what my original point was.
i don't think dabb had as much control over the trajectory of the show and the ending as a lot of people seem to think he did. i think there's a lot of evidence that he wanted to do certain things (mainly make destiel canon) and that he was curtailed by the network. i think he was told what the ending more or less had to be and specifically designed the rest of s15 to be a flashing neon sign that says THIS IS A BAD ENDING! THIS IS NOT HAPPY! THIS IS NOT GOOD! (the greatest evidence of this is dabb writing 'the hero's journey')
and i think the alternative to killing dean off would've been having him live a happy, heterosexual life without cas, which dabb was not willing to do, and i'm glad.
but mostly i just think it's kind of unfair to single out specific instances that weren't great while ignoring all of the things that were and call it evidence that dabb hated dean (and jensen!?). and to then make general, sweeping statements about one writer that could easily apply to most of the other writers as well, if you zoom in and focus on individual things and not the entire picture.
it just feels like so much of this is the most bad faith interpretation possible and. well. that's not really the way i want to engage in fandom. so.
regarding the post you made about ooc dean in the later seasons, which i totally agree with, i was wondering what you meant by “swapped out 'three of the cheerleaders are legal' for 'jack's not family'”?
okay so in the earlier seasons dean was written as like a ladies man who was always flirting with women/interested in sex (and of course there's nuance to this and what it meant) but he wasn't gross. he wasn't a sex pest and he never made women uncomfortable, you know? but every once in awhile somebody would write him saying or doing something that was like ew why what is wrong with you. it was so jarringly gross that you kinda just had to label it a Writer Crime and move on, like dean saying he found out which teenage cheerleaders are legal.
by dabb era, that kind of stuff had mostly faded away. the show got a lot better about how it treated women in general so that makes sense. but dean was still ooc every once in awhile. when it happened in dabb era, it was usually related to dean's anger. it's not that the anger itself was ooc, it's more that the way he expressed it (or that other characters reacted to it) was ooc, i guess. "jack's not family" was a bad example on my part tbh because i can rationalize why dean would say it in that moment, but it's never really dealt with or resolved in any way. we kind of just pretend like he never said it. but in general, the idea is that when he does or says something that's ooc in the later seasons, it's usually related to his anger, just like how in earlier seasons it was related to women.
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9 People You'd Like to Get to Know Better
Thanks for the tag @nickelkeep!!!
Last Song: Cheri Cheri Lady by Modern Talking
Currently Watching: currently a David Haydn-Jones panel from the latest Spn Creation Con in Chicago. But also, I'm on a SPN rewatch and need to watch 1x02... And uuh that's it ig? Really should get around to watch Battlestar Galactica.
Currently Reading: Sooo I started re-reading two fanfics. They haven't been updated in years but still are some of my faves so. Whatever. And for books... I am having a hard time getting back into reading books. But I'm trying to re-read The Golden Compass by Philip Pullman
Current Obsession: can Gadreel and Arthur Ketch be considered obsessions, I wonder? Otherwise, idk
Tagging: @ladyknightskye @quietwingsinthesky @fictionalbullshitter @fpwoper @synesindri @frumious-bandersnatch-ao3 @mrswhozeewhatsis @jensenis-still-deansnumberonefan @icecream-and-gadreel
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bro help. through that 2 year anniversary post i found a whole jenre of people DEDICATED to hating on jpad and stanning jackles. like jensenis-still-deansnumberonefan or some shit. i don't even know shit about these actors whats going on
people who are fans of the Supernatural actors and not just the characters baffle and intrigue me. they are a whole different genre of weird
#I know I'm obsessed with band guys and don't have a lot of leg to stand on here. but trust me on this one#I understand being obsessed with Misha though. Like I don't LIKE him per se but he does fascinate me.
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tagged by @deadendtracks, thanks!
10 characters, 10 fandoms (in no real particular order because my mind changes all the time although Dean is bona fide number one).
Dean Winchester - Supernatural
Dr John Carter - ER
Dale Cooper - Twin Peaks
Buffy - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Agent Dana Scully - The X Files
Dr Daniel Jackson - Stargate SG1
Thor - Marvel movies
Tuvok - Star Trek Voyager
Daenerys - Game of Thrones (fuck you GoT writers!!!)
Annalise Keating - How To Get Away With Murder
This is my sideblog so I don’t have many followers, hopefully people will recognise me (main blog is @jensenis-still-deansnumberonefan).
tagging @laurelwinchester, @justjensenanddean @sensitivehandsomeactionman @lost-shoe @sabalovesdean @endversewinchester @hunenka @deanwinchesterswitch @lolaused2run
#fun stuff#there should be a top 20 cos i have others who almost made the grade like the entire core three of star wars#and#martha from doctor who#oh and the cute one with hair steeeeve in stranger things
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OH MY GOD @jensenis-still-deansnumberonefan THANK YOU I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO KNOW
I desperately want to know the origin of this image. I have always wanted to know. Plz. Where. Where does it come from.
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i was tagged by @freakwiththeknifecollection thank you Emily you’re a darling and a sweetheart 💗
Rules: Answer the questions and tag 20 a few blogs you are contractually obligated to get to know better!
Name: Jordan
Star sign: Virgo
Height: 1.60 m or about 5′3
Time: 21:40
Birthday: august 27
Favorite bands/artists: I guess Of Monsters and Men, Marina, and Marianas Trench because I like a lot of songs by those artists
Last movie: genuinely have no clue..
Last show: was just watching masterchef usa with my family :)
When did I create this blog: April 2021
What I post: exclusively supernatural; mainly Dean but other things that catch my fancy as well. also many many of my own impeccable opinions
Last thing I googled: meters to feet and inches- for the earlier question
Other blogs: @lonelygodscompanion (my main blog, where I post mostly doctor who but plenty of other things I like too), @babygirltroybarnes (my community-themed sideblog), @certifiedstar (which is like my aesthetic blog i guess 🙄) and I have like over 20 saved urls it’s truly gotten ridiculous. I also have @deanposting :) where I post dean :)
Do I get asks?: once upon a blue moon 😔 i should get more attention
Following: 97
Average hours of sleep: I try for 7. I end up sleeping in way more often than I want to
Instruments: no 😔 unfortunately. I got a guitar when I was like nine and broke off one of the snares that very same day
What I'm wearing: jeans and blouse
Dream job: writer
Dream trip: oh to travel around the world by myself... see every continent, dozens of different countries... sigh
Nationality: Dutch
Favorite songs: Long Live the Kids by We Are the in Crowd, King and Lionheart by Of Monsters and Men, Welcome to the Black Parade by My Chemical Romance
Last book I’ve read: Frozen Fire by Tim Bowler
Top 3 fictional universes I’d like to live in: Doctor Who (I want to travel in that blue box so bad), Harry Potter (unironically. deep inside I am still an 11 year old girl), and Supernatural (which is an objectively bad option but idc I just wanna meet dean).
Tagging: I'm bad at tagging people I never know who would wanna do this... um @bi-lullaby @sadforestdrum @jensenis-still-deansnumberonefan and whoever else feels called to do this I'm tagging you, yes you specifically too! no pressure to anyone though ofc <3
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@jensenis-still-deansnumberonefan @raina16 my account is being wonky so I don't know if it will show up in the notifications, but TW now has two new EP: McG and David H. Goodman. Info is from this site:
It opens from the US, so here's a quote:
A prequel to The CW’s long-running hit series “Supernatural,” THE WINCHESTERS is written and executive produced by Robbie Thompson. Jensen Ackles and Danneel Ackles executive produce via their Chaos Machine Productions. Glen Winter directed and executive produced the pilot. David H. Goodman joined the creative team as an executive producer for the series. McG serves as an executive producer. The series is from Chaos Machine Productions in association with Warner Bros. Television and CBS Studios.
And a tweet about it:
Goodman also worked on Buffy, I think.
something to consider about The Winchesters, is that the head writer is Robbie Thompson! he who has always written high concept episodes…going back in time to the 1940s, fan fiction, the pov of a car….so I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s going to be some meta twists and turns to explain this new story of Mary and John, and not just ‘oh they had their mind wiped and this is what really happened’.
i have all these ideas but its hard to speculate without knowing where Dean is in all of this, is he in Heaven or on earth before what took place at the end of s15?
my main thought either way though is that angels are going to be involved one way or another.
another thing, Jensen is a massive The Princess Bride fan. for those who haven’t seen the film, an old man reads the story of The Princess Bride to his grandson which then cuts to the actual fairytale, but the fairytale keeps stopping and we cut back to present day when the little boy and his grandpa dispute what happens in the story. just something else to think about.
#links#reference#also i agree w/ your main point#robbie thompson#is the man for subversive writing#and he actually cares about canon#just like jensen#also we really don't know enough to make a judgement#spnwin
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#also#sam dreams up death in his own mind only this version is a sam fanboy who spouts things like it'll be an honour to reap you or something#!!!!#julian richings confirmed it was not the real death is was sam's imagined death#so basically sam was telling himself that he's sooo special#s9#anyway#this 100%#what was dean supposed to do?? and then sam decides to be a grade a dick leading to dean getting the mark#ahhh#carver era (via @jensenis-still-deansnumberonefan)
hi yes this is blowing my mind???
9x01: a summary
sam: is dying
gadreel: proposes possession as the only way to save sam's life
dean: absolutely not
gadreel: of course. it's your call.
dean: no it's sam's call
gadreel: right. well. rip bloodfreak.
dean: gdi
gadreel: tricks sam into saying yes
sam: wakes up
dean: i must tell him the truth posthaste
gadreel: not so fast gay boy
dean: but-
gadreel: this is a hostage situation
dean: sad face and spray tan and angst stubble
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oh damn you're right. i forgot that no person in the history of time has ever grown as a person or a writer. my bad.
but while we're looking at things that andrew dabb wrote, maybe we should talk about:
4x19—dean wanting to protect adam from hunting/the shitty childhood that he and sam had
5x16—one of dean's happiest memories being comforting his mom and one of his worst being losing sam and what john did after
6x04—dean apologizing for how he and sam were treating bobby and showing up to help him
8x08—dean initiating a heart-to-heart with cas after cas lashes out at him
9x10—the entirety of this episode which includes dean doing a whole lot of apologizing (and is also imo the start of the drowley truthing era)
10x09—destiel date where they talk about their feelings and dean decides that actually shitty rapey men should die
11x15—dean is a giant nerd about wrestling and has a crush about it.
those are just some of the times that come to mind pre-dabb era where andrew dabb absolutely does not understand dean at all.
regarding the post you made about ooc dean in the later seasons, which i totally agree with, i was wondering what you meant by “swapped out 'three of the cheerleaders are legal' for 'jack's not family'”?
okay so in the earlier seasons dean was written as like a ladies man who was always flirting with women/interested in sex (and of course there's nuance to this and what it meant) but he wasn't gross. he wasn't a sex pest and he never made women uncomfortable, you know? but every once in awhile somebody would write him saying or doing something that was like ew why what is wrong with you. it was so jarringly gross that you kinda just had to label it a Writer Crime and move on, like dean saying he found out which teenage cheerleaders are legal.
by dabb era, that kind of stuff had mostly faded away. the show got a lot better about how it treated women in general so that makes sense. but dean was still ooc every once in awhile. when it happened in dabb era, it was usually related to dean's anger. it's not that the anger itself was ooc, it's more that the way he expressed it (or that other characters reacted to it) was ooc, i guess. "jack's not family" was a bad example on my part tbh because i can rationalize why dean would say it in that moment, but it's never really dealt with or resolved in any way. we kind of just pretend like he never said it. but in general, the idea is that when he does or says something that's ooc in the later seasons, it's usually related to his anger, just like how in earlier seasons it was related to women.
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@jensenis-still-deansnumberonefan @raina16 self-reblog because there was a glitch the first time.
something to consider about The Winchesters, is that the head writer is Robbie Thompson! he who has always written high concept episodes…going back in time to the 1940s, fan fiction, the pov of a car….so I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s going to be some meta twists and turns to explain this new story of Mary and John, and not just ‘oh they had their mind wiped and this is what really happened’.
i have all these ideas but its hard to speculate without knowing where Dean is in all of this, is he in Heaven or on earth before what took place at the end of s15?
my main thought either way though is that angels are going to be involved one way or another.
another thing, Jensen is a massive The Princess Bride fan. for those who haven’t seen the film, an old man reads the story of The Princess Bride to his grandson which then cuts to the actual fairytale, but the fairytale keeps stopping and we cut back to present day when the little boy and his grandpa dispute what happens in the story. just something else to think about.
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