#jc loved his sister
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Ask a Jiang Cheng anti where JC has ever canonically mistreated Jiang YanLi or any woman in general in the books and they'll provide nothing.
Ask a JC fan to provide evidence of JC being a doting, caring brother who put his sister's needs first and they'll provide a surplus of screenshots and examples.
When will JC antis admit that most of their hatred for the character are merely headcanons?
#canon jiang cheng#jiang cheng#jiang wanyin#canon jc#jiang cheng positive#novel jiang cheng#mo dao zu shi#mxtx mdzs#mdzs#the untamed#the grandmaster of demonic cultivation#jiang yanli#mxtx#mxtx characters#jc loved his sister#he'd do anything for her#he hangs onto her words like its gospel#your opinions that he mistreats his sister and sold her off to the Jin are all hcs and belong in the fanon tags#they dont belong here xoxo
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#mdzs#jiang cheng#lan wangji#wei wuxian#jin ling#ig in this universe jiang cheng already knows about lan sizhui. which is also a headcanon i see a lot in fic#god that's so funny tho. jc recognizes wen yuan and just decides not to say shit. king honestly#ig also in this universe jiang cheng kept all of wwx's shit for absolutely not sentimental reasons. no reason in particular actually myob#which is also a headcanon i see a lot in fic. wwx comes back to lotus pier and jc just has his room perfectly preserved#i like that headcanon. jc keeps all the things his dead loved ones leave him and he guards them as preciously as he guards his own memories#his father's sect. his mother's whip. his brother's flute. his sister's son#augh the tags got serious#anyways apparently lwj is 188cm and jc is 185cm. fucking tall bastards ugh#that 3cm difference probably has jc seething#yanyan polls
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If Jiang Cheng loved Jiang Yanli enough to hate Wei Wuxian for her death, then he should have loved her enough to honor her final choice - he should have loved her enough to care about her thoughts, her decisions, rather than spit in the face of her sacrifice and lie about it for years afterwards.
You cannot love someone when it is only convenient to your hate.
#it boils my fucking blood#sorry nothing about what he did after his sister's death honors her#jiang yanli loved wei wuxian#she gave her life for him#and jc went ahead and led a siege on him
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i did NOT just see a jc anti saying he "pushed jzx and his heartbroken sister together just because he will gain more political power in the process totally ignoring her feelings". nope. absolutely didn't
#apparently jyl didnt love jzx and jc forced her to marry him for political reasons guys#this is actually insane omg#like maybe the reason he supported the marriage was bc he loved his sister????? idk its just an idea💀#just what what book did u read im crying lmao#mo dao zu shi#jiang cheng#mdzs#jiang wanyin#jiang yanli#xuanli#jin zixuan
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Canonically speaking, jc' reaction to someone he doesn't like/has strong negative feelings towards, because that person was a jerk to his sister, is to regulate his emotions according to how his sister feels. In a jyl lives au, after wwx's return, canon jc is going to his sister, saying something like: 'while I think we should throw at least a cup of tea at him because he left us you and a-ling like that, it's your choice, jin zixuan was your husband. What are we feeling now, jiejie?'
#I was reading a jyl live and in the notes the author wrote: 'I made jc & wwx meeting as painful as possible'. Why would you do that lol. jyl#jzx's wife- is right there. shouldn't she the one to be mad? no obv. she says to jc to back off and stop being a jerk lol#canon jc rebuild his sect and co-raised his wonderful nephew. Without no one but himself. A jc with his sister by is side is the healthiest#dude out there. The fact imo it's that most of jyl lives au aren't about jyl#Her life wasn't about her. Her childhood wasn't about her. Her death wasn't about her#Let at least her survival be about her lmao#jzx should divorce fanon jyl tbh and marry jc lol#Imo it boils down to people thinking that be mad about a loved one's death/lying make you the devil#Which is a bit strange#Or maybe it's that in a jyl lives au you kinda have to acknowledge how hurtful wwx's actions were. A crime in this fandom.#mar!nonsense
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Do you think about how one of the things that must hurt Jiang Cheng the most is seeing the closeness and love Wei Ying and Lan Zhan have for each other? Of course, he doesn't desire the romantic aspect of it, but he used to be the one Wei Ying went to. The one by Wei Yings side. The one who protected Wei Ying and vice versa. Regardless of whether he's come to recognize that Wei Ying is not at fault for what happened to Yanli, do you think it hurts him to be reminded of a of something he will never have again? Perhaps due to his own stubbornness. Perhaps due to Wei Yings avoidance. Who knows. Do you think it burns him? Twists his insides? To know he will never have the love and devotion Wei Ying used to have for him and perhaps even worse, that he never deserved it in the first place?
#jiang cheng#wei wuxian#lan zhan#wangxian#not that i agree wjth him#im too much of a hopeful perskn#i always think theres a chance#but jiang cheng is a but if a prideful pessimist#i think he might thjnk it a lost cause#i think what would help will be jin ling#wei ying would definitely want ti be ab active part in the life of his sister's son#i dont think jiang chemg would be as cruel or petty to deprive him of that#amd maybe jin ling cam be a bridge for them bith#OR#i have always been sucker for WW whump fica that bring JC and LZ together because theh are desperate to help him#there is always hope#would love to see jiang cheng learn tht#would love to see him have his brother back#mine#mdzs#mo dao zu shi
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My favorite thing in the untamed is how at their core all of the relationship conflicts are about fighting for the right to care about each other
#lan wangji and wwx. obviously are also struggling with this#90% of lwj s interactions with wwx especially post burial mounds he’s desperately searching for a claim on wwx#something that would give him the right to care if wwx lives or dies#even wwx and jiang yanli! arguably his simplest and most straightforward relationship! is complicated by outsiders looking at them saying no#you don’t have the right to care so deeply for each other. stay in your places. (or face horrible rumors that could ruin your sisters life)#jc and wen qing also obviously both in the tv show are in love with each other#but keep framing it in the language of debt#because they know they have no right to care about each other given their situation#a life debt is solid. it is real it is respected it is tangible within their world and culture. love is nothing it is nebulous and undefined#it’s such a compelling conflict in all of these situations but it really reaches its pinnacle in jiang cheng and wei wuxian#jiang cheng and Wei Wuxians every fight boils down to are we family or not?#do I have the right to care about you? where you go who you marry what happens to you#are we family! or! not!#ugh this show is so good (it isn’t. don’t be fooled) but oh my god this show is so good#the untamed
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still thinking about this actually and yeah it's insane that jc canonically and onscreen physically and emotionally harms unarmed people and new disciples who are powerless/weaker than him/under his command when he's angry or frustrated to vent his spleen or whatever, like he abuses his power over others NOT infrequently, and people still look at him and go 🥺🥺🥺 'oh how noble...his big suffering heart...he loves so deeply...what a great leader....how badass of him to be a dick to people who he can hurt with impunity' like guys he Just intentionally retraumatized a guy who was attacked by feral dogs as a toddler and would never have fought back, are we seeing the same character. he literally tortures people when he's angry at them
#'it was bc he was sad about his sister' his sister who loved wwx enough to literally die for him?#he apparently doesnt care about her wishes at all then....#also since when did emotions serve as suitable explanations for abuses of power. oh that's fine then ig#wwx about to be whipped within an inch of his life is really going to feel bad about jyl's death now#not like he didn't literally already kill himself over it...#like jc has VERY rarely stood up to those more powerful than him. which doesn't on its own mean hes a bad person#he did try to protect wwx from myu that once time to his credit. but he's just not the character ppl think of him as#and that's quite significant thematically#and he may not have hit jl onscreen but making him flinch in ep50 with the threat is still....like sure jl says he neber would#but does he rly believe that if he flinched like that#ntm the emotional damage of forcing him to fight things above his weight level to prove himself or w/e#cql txp
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just saw a post that was like 'characters who go thru trauma and sitll remain gentle' and someone qrted with 'jgy (ignoring his war crimes)' and 'jc (to an extent)' do i have to even sya anything
#jgy as much as i love him still married his sister killed his own son killed nmj his dad ect ect#that man was anything EXCEPT gentle#even if he truly loved his er ge son and .... sister/wife.... doesnt mean hes gentle#like he put self presevrvation over EVERYTHING#and jc#jc#need i say more#shld i start with the strangling his shixiong or leading a siege against people he KNEW were innocent and helped save his life#gentle my ass#'he raised jl well' he probs didnt raise him that much realistically ?? i actually like jl & jc relationship#but rereading he books jl was just. scared of jc and not in the way we see in fanon unfortunately
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I need people to stop hating on my mans Jiang Cheng or else imma have to come back to writing fanfiction just so I can give this man some love he deserves
#Jiang Cheng#i love him#my beautiful boy#as pretty as a flower#i get it wwx and lwj are popular#but honestly just prefer my beautiful flower boy over them all#you cant change my mind#no i do not accept criticism#mxtx fandom#mo dao zu shi#the untamed#let me love him in peace#keep your hero complex mc#and his holier than thou ml#ill keep my tsundere with daddy and mommy issues#pls and thank you#we love a man with parental issues#and a dead sister#sorry but i dont see wwx and jc as siblings#would never choose anyone else over my sibling#so if you can then clearly the suppose family bond wasnt strong#wwx was not adopted he was a disciple#disciple does not equal family#anygay dont really ship jc with someone in mdzs so ill just do a crossover#to quote Thanos#fine ill do it myself
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jc literally snuck jyl to yiling so w.wx could see her in her wedding robes but jc hates w.wx or whatever 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
#jcposting#just find it interesting how jc would risk tarnishing his sister's rep for this .... almost. as if he loves w.wx 👁
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#mdzs#jiang cheng#yanyan polls#jc apologism#does this warrant the apologism tag? idk#better meta-writers than i have spilled much ink on this subject#but why is jc still unmarried? this isnt the sort of setting where people marry for love#and even characters like wen chao and jin guangshan are married so jc what is going on???#king do your filial duty#also given the jiang sect's prominence and ties with the jin sect (via jin ling) ppl really are sleeping on some prime political real estat#like even if you hate his guts madame of lotus pier is a pretty sweet position to have#and if he really sucks too much shit you can find some way to incapacitate him or get rid of him. smh just poison him fr#also#you will notice that there is no “he's a misogynist” option#antis like to call jc a misogynist but tbh i dont see much evidence for that in the text#the only female characters jc interacts with at length in the text are his mom and his sister. and he's respectful of both of them#he also hears out sisi and bicao seriously instead of yeeting them. which would be more normal for a nobleman of his position to do#tbf this is also because there just arent that many female characters for jc to interact with. mxtx did not want to write women :(
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JC, just days after he barely got any credit for running pillar to post to save his brother with barely any rest and succeeding in saving him, had his core melted, and he had all of a week (maybe?) to come to terms with the fact that he didn't have it anymore before WWX gave up his core for him, after which he became a sect leader overnight without the support of his family in the middle of a war which started because his entire sect was decimated, and right when he thinks everything is okay and the war has ended his brother defects and his sister is married into a different sect, his brother in law is killed by his brother, his sister dies for his brother and he's alone again, (except for a child he's now responsible for).
This obviously traumatized him and he acted very negatively towards both WWX and all demonic cultivators. Especially WWX.
But that doesn't erase who he was before all of this, or even during it. He loved his brother and gave up his life for him. He was a boy king who made his sect one of the great sects after it was razed in the war. He raised his nephew while grieving for his family and raised him well, (JL is a bit immature and arrogant, but he's intelligent, righteous, and strong willed).
In this essay I will-
#mdzs#the untamed#jiang cheng#wei wuxian#twin heroes of yunmeng#they are brothers your honor#and they have issues#geekrambles
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What a plot twist you were. [x]
#Like. The narrator introduces jc to us as the antagonist#Then we got to know him. Not who people think he's. But who he really is#And we saw jc giving wwx a piggyback. Giving him soup. Rescuing him. Putting himself between wwx and any danger (madam yu/wen soldiers)#And even the staged fight. It's yk. Staged#jc wanted to protect wwx at any cost. But wwx wasn't willing to compromise. But jc did#The fight was wwx's idea. Because jc is an enabler (just like jfm and jyl)#jc is ready to bend for his loved ones sake#The point is. Every action jc takes. Is in the name of his loves ones' safety. And surprise. wwx is one of the people jc really cares about#Even after wwx' return. Aside a broken cup. jc isn't doing much to stop wwx or anything. We know that jl was able to free wwx from Zidian#only because jc - Zidian's primary master- wanted it!#And jc fling himself into danger countless times to save wwx even though wwx can't sit still with him for a hot minute#What I wanted to say it's that the jc is presented to us - the mean ungrateful man- is very different from the real jc -#the indulgent uncle who rolls his eyes at his nephew antics. the brother who buries the hatchet for his sister's happiness.#the uncle who kinda wants to help wn to get up from the floor because he was an ass to jc but he helped jl and that's what matters to jc#the sect leader who let two women speak freely their mind in a patriarchy society#People better than me have already said this. shit I can't remember my point lmao#Like. jc is presented as an antagonist but what this man wanted was an apology and an explanation#This post is a mix of a rant I wrote last year (ha) after seeing a bad take. About what I don't remember lmaoo. And me wanting#to make gifs of wzc in this scene. Why does he look so good. It should be illegal. Seriously#jiang cheng#*mgifs
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Me watching the GCR: I think Wen Ning gets to be a little petty. As a treat.
#jokes aside i dont fault the guy for finding JC insufferable#i mean this is the dude that told Wei Ying to leave the remnants to die#'i cant protect you' fuck that JC never even tried#also i think he just hates the character assasination JC has in his head when it comes to WY#saying WY just wanted to play hero because he's trying to prevent a genocide is insane#WN saw everything WY gave up to help his people amd was abandoned for it#he's allowed to be angry and petty#even then WN does take responsibility for his mistakes#he loved his sister but still agreed for both of them to turn themselves in#WN is basically everything JC is not#WN took accountability for his mistakes even though he was controled at the time#wen ning#my baby boy#golden core reveal#mdzs#mo dao su zhi#mine#mxtx
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I just am obsessed with any story that’s about people who love each other but cannot do justice to that love because they have a duty to something else first. That there is something else fundamental and demanding that they must choose over love every time. To be forced to choose one irreplaceable thing over another etc etc
#For Jiang Cheng that’s his responsibility to his sect and to their people#and the burnt and fragile remains of their home#who are all counting on him—an orphaned teenager—to protect and lead them#And as much as he might want to throw that all away to be by his brother’s side#or as much as he might want to help wen qing and wen ning#they can never come first. because first he has to keep his people safe. he can’t put them at risk#no matter how much he loves his brother#he’s not powerful enough yet for taking a stand to do anything other than get his sect burned to the ground a second time#and that turns into him standing in the burial mounds near tears as he tells his brother ‘I can’t protect you anymore’#Which is its own bitter irony because you know wwx is thinking that it’s not his little brother’s job to protect him)#(with no idea how much he already has)#meanwhile for wei wuxian his primary duty is to help the wens#because he protected his brother at an unspeakable cost and his brother protected the sect and they’re going to be fine without him#(who only endangers them more by being around them)#which means now Wei Wuxian’s first and most important duty#is to protect this group of people who have absolutely no one else in the world who will stand with them#So even though it breaks his heart to leave his home and family he has to do what is right#It’s why I liked wen qing so much too. she and jiang cheng understood this about each other#while i don’t think jiang cheng and wei wuxian understand this about each other at all#because jc is standing there like when did i and my sister and our clan stop being your most important#and wwx is like I have already given everything I can give to you and I can only make things worse for you. but these people?I can help them#so i have to help them#as you guys can see. im not doing well#anyway watch black sails#the untamed
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