#jaytalia

[sasheneskywalker]

jason dealing with and angsting over his inappropriate crushes over the years.

first, it's on bruce when jason is still underage. he's so ashamed, because the man adopted him and gave him a better life, but despite that he still jerks himself off thinking about batman fucking him in his robin costume.

second, it's on dick when he finally meets the first robin. he tries to hide it as much as possible, though he's sure dick notices. jason's feelings are a twist of jealousy, anger, hero worship, and longing and he's sure he's not as good at concealing them as he'd like to believe.

third, it’s on talia while she is supporting him and sponsoring his training trip around the world. she is beautiful, elegant, clever, and lethal. she’s also bruce’s ex and much older and more experienced than him. it always makes him a little shy in her presence.

fourth, it's on tim after he comes back to life and holds a knife to tim's throat and then beats him up. even while he's angry, he still thinks his successor is hot and it'd be so easy to press him against the wall and do whatever he wants. (he doesn't do it of course, those are just his fantasies.)

fifth, it’s on steph when he eventually gets to know her. he realizes they have much in common and genuinely enjoys spending time with her. one time during their occasional team-up he has a wild urge to kiss her while they’re still high on adrenaline and covered in blood and grime from their fight. it’d be less nerve-racking if he didn’t know steph is already taken.

[redhoodinternaldialectical]

You know, I'm kind of shocked I've never seen any "Damian is secretly Jason's bio kid" aus or theories, like sure the timing is a little off? But honestly you don't have to fudge the numbers all that bad to make it work, and that kind of logistics never stops any of the other secret birth parent stuff lol

Idk I think there could be something very compelling in the messy dynamic of

Talia: protector, guide, mentor, (frequently my best and only) friend, mother of my child

And

Jason: my husband's child (his Frankenstein's monster) whom I tried to heal and turn from the path of pure vengence, ...friend(?), ...ally(?), father of my child

Like that is a really interesting place to start developing a co-parenting relationship from! Not to mention all the fascinating wrenches that could throw in all their other adjacent relationships, including of course with Damian himself

I'd also be super interested in seeing their kid be Damian's younger sibling bc it'd be such a great opportunity to explore how Talia would handle protecting and raising this new kid knowing what she knows now about the challenges that Damian had to face due to his family. Also would be fascinating to foil Bruce and Jason against each other with how Jason would react to being a father and getting to see their different parenting styles

(also as always i just enjoy scenarios in which Talia gets to have someone who's genuinely loyal to her with no ulterior motives)

[beautyconsumer]

The thing about those last panels in lost days is that it doesn't even bother me that much when people bring it up to psychologically dissect Talia and Jason as characters.

What does upset me is when people bring it up from comedy purposes as a form to "hold it over Damian's head" because Jason slept with Talia, it's mostly humiliating to TALIA'S character and I loathe it.

Bring up that Talia has fucked up relationships with the men in her life, or that Jason was craving approval and love in a very sensitive part of his life, or how emotionally driven he is when chosing his partner (vengeance or otherwise)

The whole thing being an assault thing is a different topic, but reading lost days it's clearly meant that Judd wanted that event to symbolize Jason becoming a "man", because come on Lost Days is a coming of age story even if it's deeply fucked up.

[windybluebelles]

Ok, Gang, I need you to take a deep breath. Ok, your doing great now-

I know some people get a bit squiffy at the implication of Talia being a bad partner, that’s ok, enjoy what you enjoy, but-

-And we’re all still taking nice even breaths aren’t we, yes? Good,-

There is no way that Talia and Jason could have a healthy romantic relationship.

…

I feel like I hyped it up too much- OK

Im not saying that Bruce and Talia is always unhealthy and I’m not saying that Talia herself is the most evil character ever.

I’m just saying that she shouldn’t be dating Jason.

She met Jason when he was approximately 16 and had just come back to life, he was incredibly unwell (possibly comatose for quite a while) and she was his primary care taker. Once he had been dunked in the pit and started training with the league, he was still indebted to her for like saving him or something.

For most of the time that they canonically spent together, he was underage and incredibly vulnerable.

He has been convinced that everyone from his old life didn’t care for him, she was probably the only stable adult presence in his life at the time.

None of those things are the base of a healthy romantic relationship (with the power dynamics and pedophilia) but she was also the mother of his brother. As in, she had sex with his father, and that would be weird even without the other stuff.

Im not saying that they couldn’t have had any other friendly relationship, but any romantic/sexual relationship she had with him during the time he was with the league would be weird and make her a bad person.

I can really enjoy Talia as a character, but her being written dating any of the batkids is weird.

[dc-toxicity-tournament]

Match-up list for the batman toxicity tournament has been finalized!

If your pairing didn't make it in I'm sorry! I didn't realize how limiting of a number sixteen would be.

I'm hoping to do more of these in the future though so hopefully I can include more ships then :]

The Pairings:

Bruce Wayne/Jason Todd V.S. Dick Grayson/Jason Todd

Barbara Gordon/Cassandra Cain V.S. Bruce Wayne/Tim Drake

Bruce Wayne/Minhkhoa Khan V.S. Damian Wayne/Dick Grayson/Jason Todd/Tim Drake

Damian Wayne/Dick Grayson V.S. Jason Todd/Tim Drake

Harley Quinn/Poison Ivy/Selina Kyle V.S. Helena Bertinelli/Stephanie Brown

Jean-Paul Valley/Tim Drake V.S. Jason Todd/Talia Al Guhl

Bruce Wayne/Dick Grayson V.S. Dick Grayson/Slade Wilson

Bruce Wayne/Ra's Al Guhl V.S. Jason Todd/Slade WIlson

I'm going to start posting the polls tomorrow around 12:00PM EST, in the meantime, please feel free to submit propaganda!

[redjaybathood]

That post about giving Talia a boytoy - but it's Jason. Everything else is the same: unrelated to business (retired), a degree in fancy-shmancy field that absolutely doesn't pay but gives you endless topics to talk about during soirées Talia takes him, a glimpse of what her life could be without Bruce or the League (Jason making pastries from scratch, them having a cat together - they walk her in the park on weekends! beach vacations, shared family budget which is why Talia's renting a condo in Metropolis and not living in one of the mansions or penthouses she does own...)

Things like that.

Sincerely, I think it could even work in the current comics. Jason is pretty directionless recently, right? Consider this: Talia al Ghul solo, and Jason as a recurring background character.

I dunno, something about this compels me.

[cologona]

Talia: For whatever it’s worth, I’m sorry.

Jason: ...

Talia: You were in a delicate place. I took advantage of you.

Jason: It wasn’t… that’s not what it was.

Talia: It was wrong.

Jason: No

Talia: You don't need to forgive me Jason.

Jason: I wasn't the only one "in a delicate place", T.

Jason: You did a lot of bad things at that time. Things you can probably barely believe happened, now. But us sleeping together that time, isn't one of those things.

Jason: We weren't good. I'll say that. But it wasn't- it's not how you're making it sound.

Jason: It was- it was nice.

[ladytauria]

an age old remedy

Pairing: Talia al Ghul/Jason Todd Rating: Explicit Words: 5.9k

Content Warnings: Underage

There is an age old remedy for soothing stressed and anxious omegas—one Talia is more than willing to provide, if Jason is willing. Omega Jason Todd Week Day 2: Alpha knots keep omegas calm | Courting without realising | Jason is an unconventional omega - except for when it comes to babies | Unintentionally revealing clothing | Nesting self-care

the first of my fics for omega jason todd week <3

>> AO3 <<

When Jason bursts into frustrated, angry tears for the third time in as many hours, Talia knows something has to be done.

He makes no sound. If Talia were not looking at him, if she had not seen the tears well in his eyes before he dug the heels of his hands into them, she would not even know he was crying.

Her heart aches.

It is just the two of them, save for their personal guard. Damian had left for his lessons a little less than half an hour ago. Jason and Talia had remained seated at the dining table. She had finished her food some time ago, but had stayed at the table anyway, reading through reports while Jason continued to pick at his.

The way his plate has been shoved aside, the food on it only half eaten… it isn’t difficult to guess what has upset him this time.

Talia sets aside her reports. They will keep for a while yet. Jason’s pain will not—or, rather, should not. She has allowed it to go on long enough as it is.

She comes to stand by his chair, resting her hand between his shoulder blades. Jason flinches—and then leans into her hand. He has never turned from her touch, her comfort.

She can feel him shaking. “Come here, pet,” she murmurs as she draws him nearer, guiding his head to press against her stomach. His hands curl into the hem of her shirt.

“I’m sorry.” Jason’s voice cracks under the weight of his tears. “I’m—I’m trying, but I just—I can’t—”

Talia combs her fingers through his hair. “I know, pet.” The gentle voice she uses is one few have ever heard. “I’m sorry.”

Jason reels back. He looks at her with wide eyes. “For what? You… This isn’t your fault, T. You didn’t—you didn’t do anything.”

“That is precisely the problem, pet,” she says, cupping his face, catching his tears on her thumbs. “You have been suffering—and I have done nothing but stand by and allow it.”

Talia had believed that he had simply needed time.

She had been wrong.

She will not make the same mistake again.

“Talk to me, pet. Tell me what’s wrong so we might put an end to it, together.”

“I… I don’t...” He averts his eye, his lip caught between his teeth. His shoulders hunch toward his ears.

“Be honest.” The authority in her voice does not take away from its gentleness. “The only way you can upset me, pet, is by withholding something.”

Talia does not rush Jason into speaking. She strokes his cheeks with her thumbs—prepared to wait as long as it takes for him to gather his words.

After a few moments, Jason rewards her patience. “I don’t feel safe,” he confesses, so softly she almost doesn’t hear him. “I know— I know I am,” he hastens to add, tipping his head back again to look at her. She aches at the earnesty in his face. “But… no matter how hard I try… I just can’t… I can’t make myself believe it.”

She brushes a curl from his forehead.

Talia isn’t surprised. His bath in the Lazarus Pit restored to him his mind as it was before he died. Anything after was lost; only flickers of memory left behind. A blessing in many ways, perhaps, but it also means the peace that he found with her has vanished.

Talia has spent two weeks hoping that, perhaps, he would find peace again—that his instincts would remember what his mind did not.

A foolish hope. Talia should have fixed this before it got to this point. That she didn’t… A mistake. But one which can be fixed. There is an age-old remedy for soothing stressed and anxious omegas—one Talia is more than willing to provide, if Jason is willing.

“Do you trust me, Jason?”

Jason blinks at her. “With my life.”

His immediate honesty makes a smile tug at her mouth.

“Thank you,” she says, and then kneels beside his chair. Her hands settle on his thighs. “It is not your life I am asking for. Do you trust me?” she repeats.

Jason swallows. He looks down at her with wide eyes. His pupils eclipse his irises; only a thin corona of blue-green ringing them. “I…” He stops, wets his lips. And then he lays his hand over hers. “I trust you with everything, my lady. My life… m-my body, included.”

My lady. That’s new.

Talia likes it.

She leaves one hand on his thigh. The other cups his jaw, tugging him forward until she can place the briefest, chastest of kisses to his mouth. His breath hitches.“Then allow me to take care of you,” she whispers against his lips.

He shivers, pressing into her hand. “You… You’ve done nothin’ but take care of me, T,” he whispers. Guilt sours his scent. Talia wishes to cover it with her own—so she does, smoothing her wrist down his side.

“I am your alpha. It is my duty—my honor—to care for you. If you need it, I will provide—happily, gladly. You will allow me to do so.”

It is both order and question; her tone tilting ever so slightly at the end.

A flush steals over Jason’s face, a breadth away from her favorite shade of pink. “Yes, my lady.”

Acceptance and answer both.

“Good.” She kisses him again—briefly, fleetingly, smiling when he chases her—and her hands slip from her skin as she rises to her feet. “Come with me to my den, pet.”

[spite-and-waffles]

I've been noticing some AO3 authors tagging their multiship orgy fics with "no incest" like. Firstly, that's what the pairing tags are for. Secondly, trying that performative anti-batcest shit on a gangbang is like wearing a purity ring to the Devil's Sacrament. It's not going to spare you at the stake and everybody just thinks you're an idiot.

[bitter-hibiscus]

I'm gonna get on my knees (would you kick me in the face, please?)

Rating: Mature

Archive Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply, Underage

Categories: F/M, M/M

Fandoms: DCU (Comics), Red Hood: Lost Days, Red Hood/Arsenal (Comics), Batman - All Media Types

Relationships:Roy Harper/Jason ToddTalia al Ghul/Jason ToddStephanie Brown & Jason ToddJason Todd & Bruce Wayne

Characters:Jason ToddRoy HarperTalia al GhulBruce WayneStephanie Brown

Additional Tags: Asexual Jason Todd, Whump, Consent Issues, Unhealthy Relationships, Casual Sex, (not onscreen but mentioned), Attempted Murder, Underage Prostitution, Street Kid Jason Todd, Jason Todd is Red Hood, Talia Al Ghul isn't good nor evil but a Secret Third Thing, Bruce Wayne Tries to Be a Good Parent, Jason Todd is Not Okay, Jason Todd Needs A Hug, things that are very clearly s/a but Jason doesn't see them as such, Hurt No Comfort, Angst, Jason's No Good Very Bad Sex Life, not beta read we die like jason's self-esteem, Internalized Acephobia, Dead Dove: Do Not Eat

Language: English

Summary:

“I don't want to have sex with you,” he'd told the man, shaking and pulling his hand away. “I'm never going to want to have sex with you.”

“That's okay, Jason,” was the only response he'd gotten. It made him wonder if that was Bruce deciding he wouldn't, because it wasn't worded like it had never been an option in the first place, but Batman had always been notoriously bad with words.

Or, asexual Jason Todd doesn't know what consent means. Unfortunately for everybody involved, he's very good at hiding it.

[mzminola]

Talia was funding his Red hood debut anyway, them sleeping together once was just kind of a “hey we could both use some human connection right now” coincidence, but I still think it’d be really, really funny for Jason to refer to himself as Talia’s sugar baby.

[lazaruspiss]

hiiii my shame is now public <3

Little Princess (JayDickTalia): Dick and Talia have been together for a while now, and Talia thinks it’s only fair to spoil him from time to time, especially when he’s been such a good girl for her. (And she isn’t blind, she sees the way Jason looks at them when he thinks she won’t see. It’d be good for them both to get a reminder of who belongs to who.)

Rating/Warnings: Explicit

[trust-and-jump]

predictable votes, ohhhh they are so predictable

propaganda:

I don't ship it, I'm just curious to see if anyone does ship them

[necrotic-nephilim]

for the ask game (3)

au where all robins develop a mental link after fighting some magical criminal of the week. what would they see in each other's minds? what secrets and repressed feelings do they discover? how would they deal with it?

for the ask game!

oooh, i love telepathic links that end up revealing secrets. especially with a family like the Batfam, who are usually so convinced they're good enough at reading each other to not have many secrets kept. so weird reveals are always fun

if i did this, i'd do DamiTim. just because of all the like, "deep dark feelings that are being hidden" for Robin shipping, DamiTim is the most fun for me. you expect DickTim or DickJay or JayTim, even DamiDick. but there's something that's so enjoyable about Damian having his feelings forcibly outted. not just to Tim, but to everyone. the way it'd be an active landmine none of them knowing what to say but all feeling each other's reactions. i honestly think Damian would try to punch somebody about it. (also, if you do a history of TImSteph where they've had sex, Damian would be directly linked to Steph's memories of how Tim was in bed, so that's fun as both something horrifying and enlightening just to screw with his feelings some more.) would they end up together? in my head probably, but it'd be weird and likely toxic bc how do you date someone you know inside out and know exactly what they think of all your flaws and what parts of you they obsess over. the answer is not very well but hey, the sex is good-

i think Jason *directly* feeling how everyone felt about his death would really rock him. he's heard all the apologies, but part of him isn't convinced there's truth to them. so to be crushed by Dick's *grief* over his death would be a come to jesus moment for him. but on the less fun flipside, you have him feeling how Dick feels about him *now*. because Dick doesn't really *like* Jason and deep down, sees Jason as a lost cause. that's his "deep dark secret". and Jason would feel and know that from the one person who he still wants to believe in him. i really do think Jason would have the Worst Time with all this, overwhelmed with everyone's intimate and complex feelings over his death. Jason is a very defensive person when it comes to his death and how reactionary he gets when other people make it about them, not him. so for Jason to have to constantly deal with that in his head, i truly do think he'd lash out a bit. the arguments. yelling at Dick and feeling Dick's guilt and snapping bc Dick has no right to feel guilty now. feeling that Tim viewed Jason as a failure. it's just a damaging mindspace to be in and man do i think Jason would take a While to recover.

oddly though, i think it'd be a good bonding moment for Steph and Jason. we really don't get much exploration of Steph and Jason bonding over dying. bc sure, Steph didn't actually die, but she *did* experience the social death where everyone believed she was dead and mourned her as such for a good while. she also felt *directly* responsible for her own death. a lot of blame falls on Steph for War Games (for the Doylist reasons of sexism but yk) and Jason feels responsible for his own death for walking into a trap. but unlike Jason, Steph had no suit in a case, no memorials, her name held no infamy. so i think she deserves just a bit of righteous fury about how dramatic Jason can be while she just has to move on bc hey, it's not like she *really* died. and she buries those feelings well, but not well enough to hide them from a mental link. and Jason, who hasn't really considered Steph before because he was so wrapped up in his complex over Tim, confronts those feelings with her. if anyone is going to know how he feels, it's going to be her. you could do it platonic or romantic, but i do think when Jason sinks to his lowest, she's the one who snaps him out of it, both with tough love and genuine compassion for his situation.

for the less serious crack of it all: they're all going to have far too intimate knowledge of each other's sex lives. everyone's gonna know Dick has fucked Slade. everyone's gonna know Jason has fucked Talia. in my heart, i believe Tim has slept with Anarky (Lonnie, not Ulysses) and everyone would *know* that too. absolute judgment all around. it's the spider-man meme of "wait you've done WHAT with WHO" and honestly, it gives a nice distraction for the more serious feelings. it's a palette cleanser they can default to. like when the fighting gets a little too serious and they're cutting too deep for comfort, someone's going to blurt out "well at least i didn't fuck Deathstroke." and the whole moment goes awry with laughter. bc i do think, at the end of it once they get through the worst of the angst, they'd be closer for it and self-aware of the ridiculous nature of all this. it's enlightening, in a way to see how they all felt about their time as Robin and the baggage/trauma they hold. even the ugliest feelings they hold for each other don't completely suffocate the fondness/respect.

that said, knowing the baggage/trauma. oof. i don't think Dick has ever fully opened up about his history with Mirage/Tarantula/Liu and now it's forced to sit in the open. Damian has never admitted the worst of being raised in the League. Tim hasn't fully faced the suffocating image of his dead father and his deep-seated want to kill Boomerang. all those ugly truths they stamp down bc well, either you're a vigilante or you're a well adjusted person, are out in the open now. and it's ugly and gruesome to force those thoughts to be shared. they all want to comfort each other for different reasons, while simultaneously not wanting their own trauma to be acknowledged. it'd be fun to see who'd instinctively react to whose trauma first. because it's an overwhelming rush of information, and you just naturally get pulled in certain directions. i think Damian would react to Dick's history of sexual abuse first, whereas Jason would be reacting to the murderous rage TIm is trying to fight off. Tim is reacting to just how much guilt Steph carries about War Games and all of it is very crunchy. there's so much they'd all have to talk about and it'd take days for them to address it all, between the arguments about the ugly parts. would they come out stronger for it? yes. but only if they didn't kill each other in the process. i hesitate to do a "and they come out one big happy family" ending, bc it's not very in canon, but i do think the bond of the Robin mantle is something special. even when the link is broken, they hold onto a freakish understanding of each other. they react and move in sync, can fight together without needing words. are they emotionally on the same page/have they forgiven each other for the worst of it? absolutely not. but they've got each other backs. it's a very much "if you called i'd drop everything to save you. but also we don't have it in us to hang out casually." bond, which i think is deeply underrated in fanfiction. sometimes, you can care about people but you have to do it from a distance.

[dc-toxicity-tournament]

Batman Favorite Toxic Ship Tournament - Semi Finals

Jason Todd/Talia Al Guhl Propaganda: 1

Post Description: image one contains two photos. One of Dick Grayson as Nightwing and one of Slade Wilson as Deathstroke. Image two contains two photos. One of Jason Todd and one of Talia Al Guhl. End Description.

[mysticalarmand]

Reading the first and second issue of "Lost day", is realizing how the writers screwed Jason and Talia's relationship over with racist writing. Their relationship is clearly paralleling a mother-son relationship, and it's been made very clear as well throughout the issues. Talia was willing to help Jason, so Bruce couldn't mourn him. She wanted Jason in a healthy state for Bruce. It's also in the way she takes care of Jason. She looks at Jason as if he is her son she never had (before Damian). It's textually proven that's what their relationship is, so their sexual relationship was 100% racist writing, since Talia is an Arab-Chinese woman. It was a stereotype used, which should've just been retconned.