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Jason isn't actually OOC in BTFC.

Or, more accurately, the problem with Jason's character in BTFC isn't that he's OOC. Daniels, or the characters, never treat Jason's behaviour like it's a normal Jason thing to do. Nobody's out there saying "oh classic Jason shooting a civilian child in the chest haha!". And aside from like, you know, Jason's other traits are preserved: he's smart, one step ahead, has convoluted schemes, fancy gadgets, is generally scary competent, semi-suicidal, exhibits typical signs of bpd, has an unhealthy association between Batman and godhood, and his weak point is his mental health and general emotional vulnerability.

No, Daniels and Bruce don't think he's doing it because he's Jason. They think he's doing it because he went insane. Like, he wasn't brave enough to confront the truth about his tragic backstory, despite their repeated efforts for help, and he lost whatever what's left of his mind.

And that's what crazy people do right? They torture people and shoot children. They lose their values. Because, yk, they're cowards.

Of course Jason isn't behaving like Jason! He's getting the Joker treatment of dc villainification 101. And now I'm thinking about that last panel of Jason again.

Because like, sure, it reads as "Jason killed himself because he was crazy and too deep in to accept change." But also I can't stop thinking about that parallel between Jason falling at the end of BTFC and the Joker falling into that cuve.

The problem isn't that Daniels doesn't understand Jason Todd. The problem is that Daniels despises mentally ill people and doesn't understand trauma.

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What do you advise on how to write the al-Ghuls? Ra's, Talia, Damian, Mara, Nyssa, Dusan, etc. It's difficult to write them while acknowledging their crime/gray background without straight up bastardizing them

For Ra's, please don't make him a creep. Like a creep creep who wants to sexually harass people. Yes, he tried to marry Dinha, so he will ask women to marry him after a few dates. But he will not sexually harass someone. And always remember that his number one goal is to protect the earth. Not get a fancy body he can put his soul in or a random heir.

Yes, Ra's is a misogynist but only as a plot device to not allow Talia to lead the League (she never wanted to originally). In the Gotham Series, they flipped this trait of his, though.

Ra's being a genocidal... he is. But that's his last resort to save the planet, not the first one. The first one is to destroy companies.

For Mara, understand that Damian and her were pinned to fight each other by Ra's. Damian took her eye out. But right now, canonically, they are on good terms. Damian wanted to save her from the League of Assassins when he was Robin at some point. The biggest thing is to remember that although they have problems, they are capable of trusting each other again.

No animal cruelty. It's a no for the al Ghuls. Even Damian, who crushed that little bat, is a no-no. I understand they wrote it as part of his background, but Ra's is an environmentalist. He would never kill an animal out of cruelty.

For Talia, she does not clone kids.

No, she is not a rapist.

Yes, she is an assassin currently right now, but she was a civilian in the older comics. It's fine for her to kill people. But you know, with a reason. She doesn't kill people for fun she's not the Joker.

She will always protect Bruce. This one is very canon, in almost every old comic she appears, she saves Bruce, even in the games.

But she still fights against the Batfamily

Don't write her as if she doesn't know how to heal common injuries because she went to medicine school

Yes she is capable of drugging someone but not to rap* them

No she doesn't want the League of Assassins to kill the entire population

And no she doesn't want to kill or replace Dick, that... was more of a joke from DC Comics

No Talia does not like Jason romantically

Ra's, yes, he is an eco-terrorist. ECO-terrorist. As long as whatever you write has ecology on it, I'm sure it's fine.

And no, Talia doesn't send assassins after Damian to keep him in his toes. That's stupid. The kid works with Batman. He is in his toes all the time.

This is my opinion, I think people can definitely write some things except for:

Animal cruelty

Rap*

Trafficking of people

That's a hard no.

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My favourite thing about Talia's relationship with the batkids is that for half of them it's nonexistent.

Dick? He was there for all the relationship drama back in the golden days, and he's always been stupidly petty about it. Their rivalry is fun and lighthearted and both of them care about Damian enough to work together even if they'll never be friends.

Jason? An understanding. Kindness for the sake of it, a friendship offered in full knowledge of just how cruel the world can be. Two wary, wounded people tentatively reaching out. She remembers the sweet young boy he used to be. He remembers the time she teamed up with Bruce and Selina to fight the Gotham rogues. So much has changed for both of them, but at least when they look at each other they see that they haven't been damaged alone.

Damian? Her son, and all the complications surrounding that. Her son who was meant to grow up living a normal life and never knowing his biological parents. Her son who instead grew up just like she did, raised in a cult and expected to be the heir. She tried to save him. She failed. He couldn't save her. She killed him. It wasn't her, wasn't her hands, but it was her orders, but it wasn't her mind. They love each other anyways. They're willing to try.

The others? Well there's the other Robin. Timannie or something. Talia is pretty sure he's a boy but he could be a girl? And there's the Batgirls. Sandy or Barbie or The One Who Is All, whatever they're calling themselves nowadays. And the new mentee, Duke! He seems promising. Defeated her father along with Batgirl but Ra's seemed to respect their strength, which is always a good sign.

So basically Jason and Damian receive birthday gifts every year. Bruce receives one when he hasn't been an ass recently. Dick has never received one and never will. Tim, Cass and Duke get a present to share once a year addressed to The Other Child. It's normally some sort of training gear. Cass normally calls dibs. They're all completely fine with this arrangement. It's nice that she made an effort when she really didn't have to.

Ra's sends Bruce and Damian gifts. Occasionally sends Cass and Duke job flyers that they burn. Everyone else gets addressed as Detective because he can't keep track of their names. If Batman wanted Ra's to remember his children he should have colour coded them better. Blue eyes and black hair, he can't even remember which one Talia threw in the pit. He's a busy man with an empire to run and thousands of years of memories! They're all probably Robin, it's fine.

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Yk I genuinely believe that Jason found out about Mia's backstory by accident. Like, obviously since Jason's role in Seeing Red is to be a dark reflection to a Mia-centric arc, the question of "why did he decide to focus/ project onto Mia specifically" is absurd on a doylist level. Like, Jason is projecting on Mia because Winick wrote Jason as "the bad ending version of Mia's story".

But actually, on a watsonian level, why did Jason decide to focus on Mia? There is, above the surface, no real link between Jason and Mia. There's more logic to Jason's motivation when he attacked Tim at Titan Tower than attacking Mia.

So here's how I imagine it going.

Jason: *opens a google search engine :* So what's everyone been up to during my leave of absence? Oh huh, Queen's been mayor of his city? Funny guy. Legalised gay marriage, cool, good for them. Wait hold on he has a new Speedy who looked to be on the older side of teenage-hood when he debuted? Let's see, well, he has a new foster daughter apparently... Mia Dearden, must be her. Shit, we're the same age; he took her in when she was fifteen? Goddamn, those idiots never learn. What do they say about her? Oh looks like she gave a cool speech that made the highschool newspap-what the fuck.

And this is my version of how Jason "learns" about Mia's backstory (with some holes filled with projection and assumptions) and hardcore projects onto her and try to get her to join him and make her see that they're the same. Obviously he has access to his own computer, but I like to imagine him sitting in the public library at the library computer reading off google and his eyes just widening in disbelief as he reads and muttering a little stream of "no way no way no way" before getting up to leave in a frenzy being like I need to start scheming right now!!!!

+Bonus picture of Jason finding out like three facts about Mia on the library computer:

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“Jason never faced any consequences for his actions!” I mean… he died twice, went to Arkham, went to jail, got exiled from Gotham (beaten plenty), got chemically lobotomized and died again, and even then I’m probably leaving out some things… But I understand the sentiment! It’s only natural to be frustrated when a guy who hurt others (especially those you like) is still walking free, never experiencing any permanent repercussions. Oh wait—

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i know i joke about rent-lowering gunshots but i cannot emphasize enough that incest and rape kinks are extremely common. wildly popular. this is something that a lot of people fantasize about, because it’s an easily accessible taboo, it intrigues/scares/interests people and there’s a lot of content out there to absorb about it. it’s really not that out there or extreme to have those fetishes; we are talking top charters on pornhub of all places.

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Now that I think about it, it’s pretty funny how the fandom has been convinced that dancing around his identity would’ve been the less needlessly dramatic option for Jason. Even though practically speaking, even if Jason had never done the final confrontation with Joker, there was never a reason for him to hide who he was from Bruce. (So he didn’t!) It’s like the batfam is so full of pathological liars that our standards as the audience has been skewed to question why someone would tell the truth when they could lie.

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

Can we STOP reducing UTRH to “theater kid drama”??????

Like did you even read the damn comic bffr

He was a deeply traumatized TEENAGER who found out his death didn’t change anything.

It wasn’t “drama” it was TRAUMA

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Stop giving me comics where Dick looks cool as batman. I want to see one where that man tries to do a backflip in the batsuit, eats it on the cape, and has to hide a broken rib from both Barbara and Alfred.

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Two faced liar, full of Fire

@InnLndbrg on Twitter/blsky did this wonder piece of Tim and Helena for me!

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I'd like to set a short-term goal of €1k. If you have even just €5 to toss their way, please please do so!!!

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Black mask hates Jason's guts because he unionized his goons.

That's it's that's the post.

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Just finished We Are Robins volume 2 and ya’ll why did Alfred start this movement??! His motivations are never explained, and neither are his reasons for keeping it a secret from the “original” Robins! Just mysterious old man activities I guess!

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I really think that Dick’s harshness was written to contrast against/overcompensate for how vulnerable Bruce was made in UTRH. Like Dick is supposed to be the son who surpassed the father, so he’s reaffirming the validity and sanctity of The Bat Way by handily dealing with Jason with none of the vulnerability that made Bruce “lose”.

The scene where Dick is talking to his friend Clancy about how he doesn’t want to save Jason, but arrives to the conclusion that he will anyways because of his Bat-morals really hits this point home to me. It’s the narrative going “see? Jason is wrong because if Dick was like Jason he would be dead!” But it’s unconvincing to me because Dick isnt even dealing with the same guy Bruce had to deal with. The version of Jason that Dick gets isn’t even Red Hood.

Is Dick OOC in BiB / BftC / Morrison? I know Jason is, but Dick seemed like his usual self.

He's not egregiously OoC, and my #1 grievance with his characterization is his leaving Jason to die. That one *was* OoC. As pointed out in the replies of my post, I think that, for example, Dick saying he wishes Jason had died can be attributed to intrusive thoughts. (I mean, throw the first stone the person who never wished that sort of thing in the privacy of their own mind).

There is also the BftC debacle (which I am honestly happy to ignore most of the time, but like I always say, Jason wasn't the only one doing bad things there. I talked a bit more about that here, and the replies and additions are also an interesting debate about whether or not Dick was OoC in bftc.

I think my greatest problem with all of this, in regards to Dick, is BiB, because it was the first time they met after Jason's resurrection, and you have Dick leaving Jason to die. Honestly, it all feels like the writers wanted so badly to hammer in the idea that Jason is sososo bad and evil that heroes are going around making exceptions in their morality for him (this + the batarang in uth). When really, in the world of DC, it's kind of laughable.

After that, you have BftC and *especially* B&R, where Jason was doing unhinged shit, and Dick was reacting to the way Jason was acting in the way I would expect.

But then again, Jason's biggest sin is that he fell from grace, and they MAYBE were trying to show Dick's disappointment in that (and it was simply badly written). If Jason is such an exception, they should've shown us why (without assassinating his character).

IDK. As always, I'm not putting this on the dg tag lmao, but I want to hear what people who know DG better than me have to say about it.

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I know I rag on RHATO 25 a lot, but dang the alt cover did not have to go this hard

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Essence was invisible to Roy and Kori because she was in the astral plane. Jason trained with the All Caste and can enter the astral plane as well. Jason, because he's a bastard, uses this to make it seem like he's fading out of existence to terrorise his family or goons he fights. Just flickers in and out of existence because it's funny watching everyone else freak out about it

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Spoilers for Robin War

Just read the book and feeling very 😬 about Dick. I heard before that he left Duke on a rooftop with police looking for him below, but I kinda assumed that it must’ve been something of mild consequence. I didn’t know it was just the cherry on top of him letting a whole crowd of teenagers get arrested, and not just arrested but put into cages and made directly vulnerable to the villains.

The fact this book begins with a bunch of police brutality panels and Duke getting arrested for wearing red shoes is what really makes it bad, and Duke’s race is acknowledged too. Then at the end when Tim calls Dick out for betraying them, he justifies it by saying welll they come back to Batman so they’ll come back to him too. 😬

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What Strength Really Means 💪

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Hey everyone, my name is Abdelmajed. I don’t usually talk much about myself, but today, I want to share a little piece of my story.

I was born and raised in Gaza, a place that has always been my home 🏡. I grew up surrounded by my family, my friends, and the streets that I knew like the back of my hand. Life wasn’t always easy, but we had love, laughter, and dreams. I used to think that no matter what happened, home would always be here. But life has a way of changing things in ways we never expect.

Over the past months, everything I once knew has disappeared. The streets that were once filled with children playing are now silent. The houses that held so many memories are now just rubble. And the people I loved—some of them are gone forever. 💔

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