#jaegaseung

[oroichonno]

Title recommendations for outside of Korea, but still in Asia

Does anybody here know of a movie, drama, manhwa or aeni series themed from any of Jejuan or nearby island cultures? I don't mean those with scenes in Jeju or chapters in it, & I know some like 'Our Blues!' is set in a part of it off the shore of Jeju & nearby parts. Even still, would anyone happen to know of any series set in Jeju or nearby entirely? We should like to promote the cultural learning through pop media, & to help Pukjeju take pride in the culture? We know that would be a double-edged sword, but look at how Golden Kamuy (an anime & manga based on the Ainu culture) has been doing.

[astrolaurical]

In keeping with the blog theme, have you ever heard of media from the native minorities of Korea, such as those of the Jeju islanders (as well as those from the islands in between Jeju & the mainland such as Chuja) & the Jaegaseung, as opposed to works merely set in the lands of such?

I’ve been to jeju but have never heard of any media from there. I haven’t heard anything about Chuja. I would love to learn more!

[hello-nichya-here]

In light of the indigenous issues you've posted about, have you ever heard of Korea's native minority groups such as the Jeju islanders & the Jaegaseung or the media of them beyond scenes merely taking place in said spots?

I unfortunately don't know much about Korea. I vaguely remember the name Jeju, and don't recall having ever heard of the second one. Sorry.

[commajade]

D'you feel it would be somewhat neat to get some form of food representation of Jeju and/or the Jaegaseung outside the respective homelands (especially starting within the 2 Koreas themselves) such as restaurants, similar to the cases of Okinawan & (to a lesser extent) Ainu food in Japan?

hmmm. jeju regional food is already very popular all over south korea? and jeju produce and seafood is very popular and commonly sold? from wikipedia the jaegaseung people are monastic so idk how restaurants would be helpful to them?

i honestly feel like food representation is not a relevant issue with korea there's such a robust knowledge of regional foods that applying the logic of representation to it doesn't work.

[ladyimaginarium]

In the spirit of the incoming month, have you heard of such indigenous East Asian groups as ones of Korea's such minorities of the Jeju islanders (more than likely are or related to first groups living in the Chuja islands between Jeju & the mainland) & the Jaegaseung (a Tungusic people indigenous to northeastern North Korea & most likely nearby parts of China)?

no? lmao im& not even sure what month you're talking about nonnie lmfao that's cool tho ig.

[khangi]

Have you ever per chance heard of the Jaegaseung people (who are native to northeastern Korea & likely neighbouring lands on the other side of the river, especially in northeastern China) or their language (R)Yukjin (albeit often known as a dialect)? I was meaning to direct it at one of your other blogs not realizing it was closed to asks, though I apologize if it comes off presumptuous.

I have not heard of those people

[olowan-waphiya]

Would it be fair to say that the Jaegaseung (a little known indigenous group to northeastern Korea & parts of bordering China, but found in diaspora elsewhere, especially the former Soviet countries) have faces & still face a fate similar (but amplified) to that of the Ainu in Japan (or for that matter, Russia)?

Listen, I appreciate that you clearly want to learn and talk about this stuff, but I can really only speak to my culture and even then it's not like all Lakota people have the same experiences. These cultures you bring up, while Indigenous, are not from the same continent as the one my people are from. I'm very sure there are tons of similarities and differences. And many Indigenous groups 'face a fate similar' to one another due to colonization and capitalism. You send me asks like this and I never know what to say... idk if it's because I have the word 'scholar' in my about or what? But, I'd appreciate if I wasn't seen as the expert on every Indigenous issue and culture in the world. I'd be curious as to YOUR thoughts on the question posed because it seems as though you already have an idea/an answer.

[dsm-wannabe-linguist]

Have you per chance heard of the [R]Yukjin dialect (maybe more accurately a language, mostly spoken by the Jaegaseung indigenous to northeastern Korea & maybe nearby lands) or the Jejuan dialect (same deal)?

I’m familiar with Jeju but Yukjin is a new one for me! Absolutely fascinated by how conservative/archaic their lexicon is, will definitely be looking more into that. Thanks for enlightening me, friend!

[loveaankilaq]

Do you per chance know of the Jaegaseung people in Korea (mostly northeast in Korea & some of China's nearby lands along possibly with a bit of Russia's Far East nearby)?

Unfortunately I haven't until now, but from what comes up when I look them up, they're Indigenous people to Korea and China yeah?

[sarang-archer]

You may've heard of the culture & history of the Jeju people even briefly, but have you ever heard of those of the Jaegaseung (who are native to northeastern Korea & possibly nearby lands)?

I have heard of them! I’ve done some rudimentary history of the indigenous cultures found in SKorea and nearby when I was studying for research papers in school, but unfortunately they’re something I need to touch up on (once again, not taught any of this in the US). I also read most of my info in books and old web articles, so surely what I’ve read has been updated by now!

Until I get more research time in, most inspirations will be pulled from concepts that I already recognize that are also common knowledge, and more might be changed in the region as I continue- this is a pet project in between all my other projects and jobs, but I’ll continue archiving posts like these ✨

[akwonders]

Have you ever gotten to learn of the local culture of Jeju or that of the Jaegaseung people (who are also indigenous to Korea's territories, albeit in the northeast of the peninsula & possibly nearby neighbouring lands)?

Good questions!

Not fully. I have learned some things though. It's interesting how different some things can be. There are museums and other things about it thankfully on the island. I want to go to them now that things are a bit more relaxed when it comes to covid restrictions. I know a lot of the history from the classes I took in university but it would be nice to get some firsthand experience while I'm here. If I find some places. I'll make an update for sure!

[oroichonno]

Here's a bit on a lesser known, but equally tumultuous fate of an often sidelined Native group in the peninsula.

[azuremallone]

@cemetery-vampyre​ -- Your argument is significantly diminished by your first response to me.

Let’s break down your “suddenly I’m an intellectual” response.

1. Communism, ideally, is the existence of a stateless, classless, and moneyless society. This is false. We’re not talking about “ideally.” The definition of Communism is: “a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.” Nothing about Communism defines what you said. Money is used in Communism. China uses the Yuan, the Soviet Union used the Ruble, North Korea uses the Won... What you are describing in your “suddenly intellectual” moment, is called ANARCHY.

https://www.lexico.com/definition/anarchy

Strike one!

2. Now, while I don’t see that whole “Marx was a Satanist” statement you made as relevant in any way, it’s just blatantly untrue. I could not find any evidence of Marx labeling himself as a Satanist.

“I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above. I will wander god-like and victorious through the ruins of this world. Thus heaven I forfeited. I know it full well. My soul once true to God, is chosen for Hell.”

~ Karl Marx

See this sword? The prince of darkness sold it to me.

~ Karl Marx

With Satan I have struck my deal, he chalks the signs, beats time for me; I play the death march fast and free.

~ Karl Marx

https://littlenickymachiavelli.wordpress.com/2020/07/17/karl-marx-wrote-poems-to-satan/

Strike two!

3. See, you have this criticism as well that socialism inherently leads to totalitarianism, and is rooted in oppression of minorities. I would argue then that not only is this not true, but that a lot of those same criticisms can be reflected right back at capitalism.

Here is a list of socialist countries who turned communist and their oppressed minorities:

China [ Straight to Totalitarian ] -- Oppressed: Uighur [Currently in concentration camps.]

Nazi Germany [ Socialist to Totalitarian ]  -- Oppressed: Jews [Were in concentration camps.]

Soviet Union [ Socialist to Totalitarian ] --  Jews, Poles, Germans, all Koreans, and Finns [Were deported or relocated to prison work camps in Siberia and the southern desert regions.]

North Korea [ Straight to Totalitarian ] --  Jaegaseung ethnic group of descendants of Jurchen people [They were murdered or bred (raped) out of existence in what was called “Assimilation”.]

Cuba [ Socialist to Totalitarian ] -- All non-Cubans who are neither Mulato or Spanish.

Venezuela [ Socialist to Totalitarian ] -- Africans and native Indians. [Forced from homes, shunned from jobs.]

There’s no need to keep beating a dead body. The remainder of your “arguments” are the clearly lack of comprehension of what you’re reading by ignoring the context of what you determined were supporting facts.

Buuuuut...

Hitler hated Commies

Wrong, he hated Russians. He was a socialist from Austria, who found the socialists in Germany to be inept and incapable of achieving their goals. So he wormed his way into their ranks, allied himself with those whom he convinced to follow him, and murdered the socialist leaders. Taking power from them, he proceeded to develop the socialist dogma into the Brown Shirts. A group of students from colleges and local grade schools, to begin his push to take over Germany. The Nazis were socialists, and they were named after socialism:

Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/ NA(H)T-see-iz-əm),[1] officially National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus [natsi̯oˈnaːlzotsi̯aˌlɪsmʊs]), is the ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP, or National Socialist German Workers' Party in English) in Nazi Germany. During

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

In an ideal society, if you have one apple and ten people, you split the apple into parts. If more people show up, you think, “Okay, there isn’t enough here for everyone to have a snack. So everyone take a seed, and we will grow more apples. We will make gardens. We will all have plenty of fruit to snack on. Our labor will not only benefit ourselves, but others who are lacking apples.”

Give an apple tree seedling 3-4 years and it’ll catch up to and pass a potted transplant in size.

https://practicalselfreliance.com/planting-apple-seeds/

Everyone would have starved to death by the time the apple trees bore fruit.

There are lots of socialist countries that look nothing like Venezuela.

Wrong. There are three classifications of socialist countries. Of these classifications, only Marxist-Leninist is considered “Completely Socialist.” The rest you list are either Non-Marxist-Leninist whereby they reference Socialism in their Constitutions by name only, as they are multi-party and operate a Capitalist Economy. There are only five Marxist-Leninist countries today: China, Cuba, Lau, Vietnam, and Venezuela.

They didn’t fail because socialism is inherently bad, it’s because their government didn’t know how to manage it.

You just invalidated all of your arguments with this one sentence.

Hey… psst. Liberals and Democrats…

:::whispers::: This is Socialism.

[commajade]

Have you by any chance heard of the Jaegaseung people? I apologise if it comes off presumptuous given their lesser known indigeneity to northeastern Korea & nearby lands of China (plus perhaps nearby Russian lands).

nope! just googled and the wiki page is p interesting

[oroichonno]

While I've not found much more about them yet (as much as I'd like to), inside are some bits & key differences I've so far found regarding them in relation to the Korean majority & the Jurchen origins in general. May well be a continuous presence through much of the history, but I do hope the diasporas abroad can rediscover themselves even whilst living among the surrounding dongpo (maybe alongside the Jejuan people) either way.

[oroichonno]

Was gonna look for bits of the Ryukjin language or the lost language of the Jaegaseung, but this is an interesting discussion of languages in diasporic settings (outside the original homelands). Use in media can be dicey especially in cases like inside, but at least efforts were made in the cases of Manchu.