#jacen deserved better

[solitaire-06]

Do you think that, had Jacen Solo not fallen to the dark side and stayed more like how he was presented in New Jedi Order, he’d be a good father to Allana, or any other children he might have in this alternate timeline? Honestly, considering how similar they are personality-wise, I like to think Jacen would leave the same sort of impact and have a similar style of parenting as his uncle Luke.

[reyofluke-ocs]

OC HALLWEEN CHALLENGE '24 -> DAY 2: Mystical Communication

Varma Medsei as The Hanged Man Naryi Whiteclev as The Lovers Madalina Bartel as The Empress Arlon Deste as Temperance (Reversed) Krimai Yorsem as The Sun Jana Palpatine as The Chariot Jacen Skywalker as Strength (Reversed) Tenel Khai as Wheel of Fortune

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[magnetarbeam]

More sleep deprivation thoughts: The ultimate catharsis in Caedus being a clone and the real Jacen turning up later is Jacen and Jaina maybe eventually getting to a point where they can both look back on Caedus's entire existence and laugh their asses off at how comically stupid he was.

[theworstcreature]

Jacen in the rebels art style looks like he smells bad

[rebel-hunk-enjoyer]

Am I too late for the KalluZeb ask? I hope not and if I'm not could you do 27 (Craziest place they had sex?) and 19 (What do they fight about most often? (Alternative: what was their biggest fight?)? If it's too late just ignore this message.

It is absolutely not too late! I will lovingly answer every ask about these idiots because I just adore talking about them and talking about headcanons absolutely helps me in my writing process - thank you so very much for indulging me!! 🥺

27. Craziest place they had sex?

Oh, oh, oh! I am going to answer this with something from one of my WIPs: Up a tree on Yavin IV.

So, in this particular WIP, they end up getting together on Yavin IV after working closely around the base and spending time together in the jungle. So much time that they have a particular tree they like to climb together for the view. And then for making out. And then for doing each other nasty styles. Which I don't imagine is that difficult of a thing for a lasat, but Kallus gets bonus points for being nearly 40 and boinking that far off the ground.

Of course, it's the craziest place because I wrote the scene before I really got into the gritty details of what Yavin IV is like in Legends, only to discover that they were getting down surrounded by a jungle full of INCREDIBLY SCARY CREATURES -- including piranha beetles that attack prey in swarms. How the hell Zeb can get it up in a scenario where they can be attacked by a swarm of carnivorous bugs at any moment is ... well, it's actually one of the reasons this story is currently a WIP. I love the whole scene and the whole idea of them wandering off for alone time together, but I keep thinking about these damn bugs. 😂😂😂

19. What was their biggest fight?

(I answered the first part of this one here but saved the alternate for this ask! 🥰)

Their biggest fight is about adopting children once they retire. It isn't a huge outright argument with shouting like they'd do in the rebellion, just Kallus brings it up one day (and it's been a long time coming, he's been thinking about it a lot, they're both so good with Jacen and there are so many kits who need a loving home) ... and Zeb just immediately, vehemently, shuts him down: absolutely the fuck not.

And it's like being slapped in the face, because they've gotten so much better at talking to each other. Yes, they still bicker, but the bickering leads to honest discussion and consensus and agreement on a course of action, so Zeb putting his foot down without even pretending they can discuss it is not their normal. It's also hurtful. And Kallus doesn't know what to do with that, actually, after this many years of their own brand of healthy communication, so he ends up just sitting on it. And sitting on it. And Zeb is doing New Republic Defense Force stuff, suddenly, and it's like he doesn't even want to be home with Kallus since he made the suggestion and what if Zeb actually doesn't? What if this is just how their relationship ends, at the crossroads where Kallus wants a family and Zeb doesn't?

It all comes out in messy ways, eventually. In ways where Kallus refuses to bicker about the normal stuff and Zeb spends more time away from home and the garden falls into disrepair and all the old grannies at the market who used to tease them both about their relationship are now just quiet and looking concerned until one day it finally, finally implodes. Still, no shouting. Just a flat assessment of the situation because Kallus has worked out why Zeb won't start a family with him and it's of course because of his past, his involvement with what happened on Lasan, and how Zeb must not actually trust him - how Zeb is right not to trust him even after all this time - how he's just been on Lira San living a life that isn't truly his after doing something so horrifically unforgivable - and it's time that he stops pretending, that he goes back to Coruscant maybe and tries to find the kind of life a man like him deserves after all the destruction he's wrought -

And Zeb has to kiss him to shut him up. It's an awful kiss, too. Desperate and urgent and tearful, quite possibly the worst kiss they've ever shared, it's like they don't even fit together anymore and nothing makes sense but Zeb is trying to pour everything into it, everything he hasn't said and everything he feels and all the fear, the visceral dread in his gut that started this whole awful fight.

Because Zeb wants to start a family together, he desperately does, but the thing that's been eating him this whole time isn't the role Kallus played on Lasan, but his own. His failures - his inability to protect his people - all coming down to the realization that he could very well fail again, except he wouldn't just lose Kallus but their children, too, and he already hauled himself back from the brink after losing so much once, he can't possibly do that again.

It's like uncovering a hidden wound, finally getting all this out of his head and into the mess that's accumulated between them from not talking, so it - so he - can finally begin to heal. And he slowly does. Zeb scales back his NRDF role to be home more, they repair the garden together, the old grannies at the market breathe a sigh of relief when Kallus is back shopping for the ingredients he needs for Zeb's favorite food, and their family gradually becomes something they can talk about - even bicker about - until they reach a consensus and agree to adopt their first child.

[solitaire-06]

In my ‘Anakin lives’ headcanon, I can definitely see sometime around 35-36 ABY where the Skywalker-Solo family are gathered for a family dinner - as in Han, Leia, Jaina, Jacen, Anakin, Luke, Mara, Ben, Lowie and the spouses Jag and Tahiri - and like in LOTF: Betrayal, the topic of grandchildren comes up between Leia and Mara. When the former admits that she’s looking forward to being a grandmother and teasingly asks her children how long she can expect to wait, Jacen says something along the lines of “You’re talking to the wrong guy,” while Jaina semi-jokingly asks “Do I seem like someone who’s ready for kids anytime soon?” This prompts Ben to ask why Anakin hasn’t been asked - “He’s the married one!” - which causes Luke to note how Anakin and Tahiri have been silently sitting throughout the whole conversation, torn between disbelief and trying not to laugh. The young couple sheepishly grin at each other before Tahiri laughs at the irony of this subject coming up, casually noting that “this saves us having to wait until dinner was over before telling you that I’m pregnant.” As her words sink in to the other shocked attendees, Anakin somewhat shyly shows them an ultrasound - or whatever the in-universe equivalent is - of their unborn child, causing a wave of congratulations and Han proclaiming that they’d better turn this dinner into a proper party.

Is this sappy? Yes. Is this the exact kind of joyful moment that the family deserved after all the turmoil they went through in prior years? Absolutely.

[reyofluke-ocs]

OC HALLOWEEN CHALLENGE '23 - Day 4: Twisted -> Jacen Skywalker (Star Wars)

"Don't you get it? I have to do this. No one else is. I can end this, for good."

In which the Dark Side being the reason Jacen lost his entire family is not enough to stop him from also falling. The First Order will be destroyed... one way or another. For the good of the galaxy. For what splinters remains of his family.

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[jedi-enthusiast]

My Thoughts on Episode 3

...I'm gonna be honest, I do not have high hopes for this episode from how many of the people I follow have been going on angry rants about it.

Here we go, I guess.

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Well, at least now there's one acknowledgement that Sabine is Mandalorian.

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"Learning to wield the Force takes a deeper commitment."

...I swear to god, I really hope they're taking the "Sabine's just a little Force sensitive" route, because is Felony is actually trying to imply that anyone could be Force-sensitive if they just "tried harder" then I'm going to fucking scream.

If anyone can be Force sensitive, why hasn't everyone tried? What was the point of Order 66 and why were the survivors of it so important? Why the fuck didn't some random person just turn into a Jedi and take out the Emperor, why did they have to wait for Luke?

It just...it ruins literally the entire franchise and makes everything pointless and meaningless, if that's what Felony is actually saying here.

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I've never been more bored in my life than watching this sequence.

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*long sigh at calling Sabine a Jedi*

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Y'know, this would've been a perfect time for Jacen to just say- "I want to be a Jedi, like dad!"

Like, are we just supposed to forget that Kanan existed at all??? Not even a name drop???

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"I can't use the Force, I can't feel it...not like you do."

Great, that's just great.

So Felony's going the- "just try harder and anyone can be a Jedi!" -method, that's...just...

*UNHINGED ANGRY SCREAMING*

"The Force resides in all living things. Even you."

Yes, Ahsoka, because it's the literal life-blood of everything, but that doesn't fucking mean that anyone can use it. That's why there's a section of the population called Force-sensitives, because they're sensitive to the Force and can therefore use it.

If everyone had that capability, then that classification is useless and also---again---this calls the entire fucking Star Wars franchise into question and makes the entire thing meaningless!

"If that's true then why doesn't everyone use it?" "Talent is a factor."

No, sensitivity to it is a factor.

God, I'm not even 15 minutes in and I'm already so fucking pissed.

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"The Jedi Order would not have accepted her, she is not an acceptable candidate." "By their standards."

Yes, Ahsoka, by their very strict standards that are-

YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING FORCE-SENSITIVE, FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

"Standards that were proven over a millennium." "And failed."

No, they didn't fail---the Jedi Order was very successful and helped spread good all across the galaxy until your shit asshole master fucking massacred them and then spent the rest of his shitty miserable life desecrating their culture.

I legit fucking hate Ahsoka now.

Like, I really do.

TCW was the only show that actually made me like her, and honestly I can't fucking stand her now.

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So Sabine and Ahsoka are bashing on Huyang for...following protocol so they aren't noticed by their enemies and/or other hostiles?

Seriously?

Do they want to get caught or give Morgan time to escape, if they're found out?

...

Fuck it, I'm rooting for the villains to win for once---I hope they kick Ahsoka and Sabine's asses, kill or capture them, and leave Huyang to go help Luke rebuild the Order.

Huyang deserves to be appreciated and he should be somewhere where he, and his knowledge of the Jedi, is---not with a couple of jackasses who'll harp on him for even the smallest thing, even if it helps them.

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PURRGILS!!! MY BABIES!!!

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Oh, so now they'll follow "standard Jedi protocol" when it's convenient for them? After just bashing Huyang for it? And bashing him for it the whole show?

Wow.

I don't think I've ever wanted to fucking deck a character this bad since Anakin---it's kind of ironic that it's Anakin's padawan that's making me feel this way, though.

Huyang deserves better.

[seccndchances]

❛ i thought we’d have more time ❜ - Kanan to Hera @violentdelightstheseviolentends

Hera knew for a fact it was foolish to invite Kanan over, but some part of her, a tiny fragment of the rebel she once was longed for him when he was absent. She shifted her weight on her side of the couch, her arms wrapping around her knees. "No one is promised forever." Hera retorted, "Especially people like us." Hera counted herself lucky to have Jacen, to have something good. She often felt like he deserved a better mother then she was for him. "Sometimes you just have to make the best with the time you have."

[solitaire-06]

Great and heartbreaking story. Could you possibly do an AU where Jacen never fell and we get to see what he’s up to as a Jedi at the point in time where he died in canon?

Missing Half Her Heart

A short LOTF oneshot about Jaina adopting Allana and mourning the losses in her family

[femmefighter]

Fandom ask thing!

How’s about 2, 3, 16, and 17?

Well, am I LATE in responding to this! Sorry, real life and my real ADHD brain came between me and answering these earlier. BUT I'M HERE NOW!! Shuffles through archive to find the actual questions so I can answer... 2. A headcanon you weren't sure about but have now come to like. Alien-genitalia Ahsoka. I've never minded the HC of Ahsoka being dual sex or having a penis at all, but my head used to spin at some of the ideas I read about. "What do you mean, she has a blue tendril?!?!" Now, I'm like, "c'mon, surprise me. Let's see what your imagination can cook up." Yes, I will continue to write my own Ahsoka as my vanilla genitalia, sorry guys. I never said I was the one with the imagination.

3. A character that fandom has helped you appreciate. Cali don't yell at me for this. Satine Kryze. I smashed through The Clone Wars whilst on a solo camping trip with my dog along the Australian eastern coastline last year. When it would get dark and the mosquitos would come out to play, my dog and I would retreat into my epic swag-tent in the back of my ute, and I'd watch TCW until I was ready to sleep. TBH I had come to TCW to learn more about Ahsoka and Bo-Katan having just met them in S2 of the Mandalorian. All the characters I then got to meet was a bonus SW education. Satine I enjoyed as a character, especially with her obvious modelling off Cate Blanchett's take on Queen Elizabeth I. But, I ended up rolling my eyes a bit at her being used as that trope of 'that tool to hurt Obi-Wan deeply but show he doesn't turn to the dark side'. Yes I still cried like a bitch when she died in his arms, but still. I'm sick of women being used as features to strengthen a man's story arc. It was through fandom *cough* the LesBo discord server *cough* that I learned to appreciate Satine more for her pacifism politics despite her own classic bubbling Mandalorian anger issues, as well as her deeply complex, tumultuous relationship with her younger sister, Bo-Katan. Satine, you deserved better, and I wish I appreciated you more in my first encounter with you. Time for a Clone Wars re-watch, I think.

16. A tiny detail in canon that you want more people to appreciate. That the characters in SW grow up, grow old, and grow in and out of certain roles or stereotypes fandom like to place them in. I think it's that 'found family' doesn't need to represent the traditional Western family nucleus. I see so much of fandom calling Hera and Kanan the mum and dad of the Ghost crew, and I'm not saying that's wrong, but it doesn't allow the natural growth that characters are allowed to have as they get older. Or maybe more that, fandom doesn't allow the characters to grow out of that. Hera is a natural leader, and summarising it as 'mum' vibes does her an injustice, as people much older than her respect her leadership and follow her to hell and back because of her natural command presence, her compassion for the people she leads and her steadfast belief in their cause. People seem to forget that characters like Zeb or Mon Mothma, who are 15/20 years older than Hera, follow her lead in times of crisis or even just daily run-of-the-mill military operations. Hera was a runaway 18 year old girl with just her ship and her murderous droid verses the galaxy, and she ends up a General of the Rebellion/New Republic. That's more than mum vibes, that's BAMF vibes.

On the other side of the equation you have Sabine and Ezra, often depicted as Hera's 'children' in Rebels. Yet they become adults With only an 8 year age gap between Hera and Sabine, it's natural that Sabine would grow into more of a little-sister dynamic with Hera, which they try to show in the Ahsoka series with Jacen calling her 'Aunt Sabine'. But people seem to prefer still calling Sabine a 'girl-failure' of a kid rather than the traumatised, 30 year old adult woman with complex relationships she now is. Pigeon-holing characters into nuclear family roles I feel either permanently infantilizes some characters unfairly, or makes them the chronic 'mum/dad' characters that aren't allowed to be seen as fun, rule-breaking or sexy. The characters in SW grow up, are changed by their experiences, relationships and traumas, and I find that beautiful. I wish more people did too.

17. The thing in canon that everyone loves that you also love. Sabine Wren being an artist as well as a killing machine. It might be an odd thing for me to fixate on, but growing up in a left vs right political society, I was often ostracised for being in the military but also being queer, left-voting, a seamstress and creative. Apparently, two such components of my identity were not allowed to co-exist in the one person. So naturally, I found it a breath of fresh air seeing in Rebels, Sabine spray painting anti-Imperial graffiti on a wall one moment to shooting or blowing up bucketheads a moment later without blinking an eye. Her painted armour, literally bringing those two 'opposing' sides of her identity together that makes her who she is - love it so damn much.

Anyways, I've probably taken all these questions too seriously and have possibly also pissed off half of fandom with my take on these. But at least I've had fun doing so. 😂

Thanks for the ask!!

[autie-j]

I know I always talk about how fond I am of Legends, but tbh as a teenager I stopped reading new stories (at least set after the original trilogy) partway through Legacy of the Force because I was so annoyed/angry that they made my favorite character, Jacen Solo, evil. Like legitimately, I was so into the EU that it losing me was quite an achievement. I think Jacen was one of my first blorbos lol. I loved him so much. He deserved better

:(

[im-a-mess-that-works]

Episode 5 of the Ahsoka series was the best episode so far plot wise. I give that well deserved credit to Anakin. The plot and the music was great. Seriously. The. Music. Though. Like. Ahhhh

I loved Huyang confirming Jacen has a connection to the force. As well as, Huyang’s conversation with Hera on the ship when he called Anakin intense (He’s not wrong). Then Ahsoka reuniting with them was great. I enjoyed the part where Jacen asked Huyang if he could train him and tell him how to build a lightsaber then Huyang saying no. It was a funny moment. I always enjoyed seeing the purgills (or as the whovian in me calls them Star Whales. It doesn’t help that David Tennant voices Huyang)

My favorites part was seeing Anakin. Both in the World Between Worlds and the flashback. It was nice to see Hayden as Clone Wars Anakin. The lightsaber fight was great between Anakin and Ahsoka!

The transition between the World Between Worlds and Ahsoka in the water was very well done visually.

My only complaint again is Rosario Dawson as Ahsoka. (I’m going to complain about this for forever. They should’ve just had Ashley Eckstein play her). Other than not looking like her, her acting hasn’t been good either. I did think she did a really good job right after being rescued when she called out for Anakin though. So, maybe there’s hope for me to see her as Ahsoka. I can get over her not looking like Ahsoka if her acting is good. I also thought the actress for the younger Ahsoka looked more like a younger Rosario than a younger Ahsoka. Honestly, they both felt like a different character rather than Ahsoka.

Also, Ahsoka needs to be a brighter orange and the pattern on Hera’s lekku could be more prominent.

I just wish this series was animated instead. It would fix everything for me. I hope if they do anymore of this story after this season that it’s in an animated format. I actually prefer it in general. I think it flows better.

[solitaire-06]

Yeah, Mara, the Solo twins and Tahiri all got screwed over by the Denningverse. Mara would’ve been the best sort of mentor for Vestara.

Uuuugghh I hate how Legacy of the Force ended. I know Karen Traviss is really the only author that cares alot for Mandos as a whole but did Troy Denning have to ruin all the character development Jaina, Mirta, and the Mandos had? He made Mirta very cold and jaded like how Boba is at his worst. Completely ruined her relationship with Jaina.

They became fairly close and had very heartfelt moments with each other but it's very obvious how 180 their relationship is from the scene where Mirta is begging Jaina to not kill Jacen at her wedding to their meeting on Nickel one.

Even Mirta's relationship with Boba has changed from awkwardly trying to love each other and trying to understand each other to her hating Boba again. It's makes sad to see both the Jedi and Mandalorians be extra antagonistic to each other that I didn't even want to root for any of their plans to go through. There were a few situations where I felt no one was really in the right but I just had to watch them bicker until the Mandos left the scene.

Also having the nano virus that kills anyone with Fett genes on Mandalore was an unnecessary inclusion that feels like a middle finger to all of the Clone and Mando fans. This nano virus implies that Clan Skirata can never go to Mandalore ever again.

I love having stories where Mando and Jedi are allies that learn to put their differences aside but sadly the relationship that was built between them was ruined.

[just-prime]

Here we go again

So, once again, like the sacrificial lamb that I am, I've consumed the newest episode of Ahsoka...and the best thing that could possibly happen to this show is Thrawn showing up for literally only two seconds. Keep my baby away from this, he deserves better.

It goes without saying that the flashbacks and Anakin made me feel nothing. It was clear that they were covering the clone's faces so that they didn't have to pay Temuera Morrison more than just for that one line. It was an utter rehash of multiple Clone Wars arcs, but far far worse.

A show, where people walk with arms crossed between set pieces in shitty looking costumes. I've seen child cosplayers with better costumes than this. Baby Ahsoka looks like shit. Adult Ahsoka looks like shit. De-aged Anakin looks like shit. Normal Hayden Christensen looks hot. I will concede that point easily.

But yeah, I return once more to my thesis that nothing fucking happens in this show. Like sure, events take place, but they have no meaning. The New Republic wants to court martial Hera? Okay...for what??? Going rogue? They literally don't believe that a war is coming so why the fuck do they care??? Also she's literally one of their highest ranking generals...so what exactly can they do to her? Take away her ship? You're prying the Ghost from her cold dead hands.

Like seriously though, why did this take 3 episodes for them to figure out to follow the purrgil? Like, why wasn't that the first thought?

Also, why is Ahsoka going and finding Hera's kids??? She literally could have left Jacen and Chopper sitting on the Ghost for the entire fleet to find, and jumped in with Ahsoka...

OH AND ALSO FUCK YOU DISNEY FOR MENTIONING LEIA KEEP MY WIFE'S NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH - my live reaction

Aaaanyway, here's the obligatory where the fuck is Zeb? Where the fuck is Kallus? We literally only have 3 episodes left. Is Disney avoiding them cuz they don't want to pay Steve Bloom? Is that what's going on? Did he make one too many m-preg jokes and the higher ups stuck him on the DNI list right next to Daniel Glover for the crime of being pro queer characters???

So yeah...Also yes, fine, the purrgil look really good. I'll also give them that.

[silver-starss]

Ahsoka episode 7 thoughts

Hera deserves better :(

I love Mon Mothma here. You can tell she's on Hera's side, but is genuinely trying to be impartial when rendering judgment

NO WAY DID XIONO JUST DISRESPECT C-3PO. Also lol @ Chopper getting offended. My man was about to commit some light war crimes

I was going to say the C3PO cameo was a little much, but I think I prefer that to CGI Leia. And her involvement with the mission was mentioned several episodes ago so it doesn't come out of nowhere

Anakin holo-recording! And Ahsoka still keeping them in a stash!!! <3

Ventress mention??? Ventress mention!!! :)

Thrawn being actually tactical is nice to see. I wish they'd touched on his history with Anakin a bit more - he's clearly familiar with him, but he easily could have been describing Anakin's reputation alone

Zeb namedrop! At least he's doing something. Still no word on Kallus...

"The Emperor died??" "So they say" LMAO

We didn't get to see Ezra learn about Jacen :( Maybe an in-person meeting next episode??

Disappointing that Ezra and Sabine still aren't having an honest talk about how she got there

Nooooooo Baylan and Shin are such a good duo, I don't want to see them separated :(

What is Baylan doing? What is the destiny he's seeking??? I need to know!

The implication that Ezra taught the Noti to slingshot Raiders is sending me

HOLY SHIT. Ezra is a badass!

I can't believe I'm attracted to Ezra Bridger now but we're going with it. Between him and Shin, I'm in full Bi Panic Mode

THAT FORCE BLOCK THO

Some great action in this episode

Ahsoka stealing Baylan's ride is queen behavior

Ahsoka being a proud auntie to grown up Ezra is absolutely adorable

Ezra’s entire portrayal felt so on point in this episode. Quippy yet wise, confident but not overconfident, and his casting was perfect

I still wish Sabine would have told Ezra the truth before Ahsoka's arrival. I assume Ahsoka's going to out it in the finale, but the reveal will lose some impact now that she's come to the rescue

Love how you can see the difference in Rosario's demeanor before and after the WBW. We saw it in ep 5 but it's on full display here. She's so much lighter now, more like the Snips we all know and love.