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archivalofsins · 8 days ago

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what are your thoughts on each of the victims?

Ooooo my thoughts on the victims. Now this may be a bit out there. Oh my gosh I am so sorry this took so long. I am trying my best but life is hitting me like every car in the fast lane of a freeway on a busy afternoon. In short it's hitting me like it has somewhere to go and I'm in the way.

Haruka

I think there was more than one victim in the case of Haruka.

In weakness we see two shadows when it comes to Haruka's victims- Three if we count the dog. I do want to make it clear that when it comes to the prisoners' victims I tend to only count the people they impacted.

Simply because the relationship dynamics between people is what tend to interests me when it comes to murder mysteries in general.

There are a few differences between how the girls death is depicted and the boys. The most glaring difference is the girls death is presented as rather clean. We later see that she was strangled to death within All-Knowing All-Agony. In contrast the death of the boy is displayed as a bloody mess.

Even though the audience is visually shown Haruka strangling the boy at first like with the girl it devolves into a much more messy struggle. The allusions to this persist in All-Knowing All-Agony as Haruka's appearances flip-flops between clean to blood stained.

For those uncertain if the blue stain beneath the shadow of the boy is meant to depict blood. This stylistic choice is shown to be Weaknesses depiction of blood earlier on in the song when Haruka bludgeons the animal to death as seen here,

This is why I have little doubt that what we see beneath the boy attacked later in Weakness is meant to be blood. All-Knowing All-Agony ended up further assuring me that this was the intent of the artistic depiction. Since in All-Knowing All-Agony the childish pretense and artistic depiction have been dropped and we see this fluid put on full display for what it is blood.

Albeit still rather exaggerated but blood none the less,

Most of this blood is shown to be inside of Haruka's home as well. However, this is not an accurate depiction of events. Instead what we see here with all of the blood and animals is what Haruka is comfortable presenting to the audience and Es.

This is because Es stated in Haruka's second voice drama that they may personally not consider the killing of animals as part of his crime because,

"Did you kill animals too? Well, it's not like I approve of that, but since Milgram deals specifically with people killing people, let's leave that aside. ...No or is that also just my personal opinion...?"

To Es Milgram is specifically about judging the crime of people killing other people. Even if that is just their personal opinion they are still less likely to regard the killing of animals as important because of that perception.

So focusing solely on the animals and moving away from the people involved could have been Haruka's attempt at being someone Es would find innocent. Because he didn't really kill people after all it was just animals and if Milgram is specifically about the killing of people to Es then Es should be able to forgive him again. Their opinion won't change.

Hehe, hahahaha- See! I'm not an idiot, right?!

"You really have no learning ability whatsoever. You can't kill me." Ah, right... Then... I'll kill myself instead. "You...!" Was that against the rules too? "Not as far as I can remember!" Hehe, hahahaha- See! I'm not an idiot, right?! "Ugh, I'll correct myself. You're a real gigantic dumbass!" That's right. Ever since I was born.

"Why was I born like this? Why does it hurt so much?"

Haruka legit going see I can learn, see I am listening. See it is just animals. This isn't against Milgram's rules because like you said Milgram is about people killing people guard. See I'm not an idiot see-

"I can’t stop, I can’t stop- Am I still INNOCENT?"

It's fine because they're just animals not people. Like you said guard let's put that aside. If it's the only thing I've done if you can't see many people then I've done nothing wrong. I just did it for attention.

Not one person though it was even the least bit suspicious that as soon as Es stated to Haruka that Milgram isn't about the killing of animals his song extraction went from look at these kids to look at all these animals-

No one found that change to be abrupt, odd, or suspected it was brought about by Es' statement and Haruka's desire to be innocent again. Alright, okay that's fair. Nothing to see here I guess.

Back to the matter at hand we know what Haruka shows us at the end of All-Knowing All-Agony isn't an accurate depiction of the events but what Haruka wants us to see because when he runs towards his mother the floor is spotless. There's no blood or dead animals to be seen.

His clothes are spotless as well. Even when he's reflected in his mothers eyes.

The chair is still there, the flooring is the same, but none of those dead animals or destroyed items are there. The viewer is shown that they were specifically in front of the chair too a scene prior to this.

This came off to me as Haruka attempting to cover up something else with the animals. Because his mom is reacting to something even if it's clearly not the thing he showed us-

No one reacts like this to nothing whatever is in this room is enough to freak out a fully grown adult. It has to be jarring. Because she looks disturbed. Her reaction is the only reason it's easy to believe Haruka is displaying the truth despite the footage showing us he's not. Again throw illustrating to us that floor is spotless.

Even ignoring that at the end of All-Knowing All-Agony the viewer is shown that little girl was killed outside,

So what the hell is in the house if not a different body? We're shown that the girl isn't bloody in Weakness and All-Knowing All-Agony- So, whose blood is this?

The dog he's implied to have killed in the woods, more than likely with these shots,

Yet this would still leaves us with the question of what the fuck is in his house then? Because now both the little girl and dog were killed in completely different areas.

So, I assume some may be wondering. Well if Haruka did kill more people than just the little girl and one of them is the boy shown in Weakness- Then why don't we see that boy during All-Knowing All-Agony. Why isn't his death alluded to gain there?

The boy is shown in All-Knowing All-Agony we see him in the room covered in blood and animals. It cycles between Haruka and the boy in the chair. Haruka then attempting to imitate the boys behavior by standing on the chair himself after.

We're shown Haruka's younger self earlier but in All-Knowing All-Agony so his appearance is covered up better here.

“There there, my good boy!”

It cycles through both images for a bit but holds on this younger boy as the quote line “There there, my good boy!” is sung. As if to go there's my good boy. Before Haruka attempts to imitate the behavior in the following scene.

An integral theme of Haruka's narrative is jealousy,

"The right future unfairly chose the wrong me."

Q.20 Did you hate the person you killed?

"I wonder if I did. I was jealous of them."

Jealousy, envy, the idea that should have been me fully visualized within all of his music videos. The idea of wanting the life someone else had. Knowing that if things were a little bit different that could have been one's own life.

That-

"If only I could do what anyone else could do."

The anger that comes with recognizing-

"My life started in a wrong spot."

All that animosity is never directed at the girl throughout Weakness. It's projected onto this boy. Haruka's anger at the way his life had been going, the treatment he's received, all his self-loathing is projected on this other kid.

This kid who in his eyes has it so much better.

But Gunsli in subbed version of his second voice drama he says I was right to kill her. Well not exactly. Haruka's exact words were I was right to kill that child. I asked DoctorBunny when I started writing this up because if he did say her than that would throw a wrench in all of this and I'd rather not waste my time writing something so easily debunked.

I just wouldn't even need to write any of this but he simply did not use a gendered term. He specifically says "Ano ko." which while can be used for girls is not a gender specific. DoctorBunny did say that it does commonly get used for girls in media and with the presence of the girl in his video it must have just been easy to assume.

However, none of that changes the fact that the term used is not a gendered one. It usually just means that child.

Outside of that at a time it was believed by a good few people that the other child in Weakness was just Haruka or a manifestation of his self-loathing and dissatisfaction with his upbringing. Basically for the most part that other child was considered a visual representation of him repeating yesterday,

"I am always repeating yesterday, though it’s important to know when to give up."

As well as him comparing his own childhood to that of the little girls. However, this fails to hold up when put aside the revelations from All-Knowing All-Agony. We see in his second trial song that the girl he attacked was much younger than him.

Yet, she did in fact go out with that other child and was attacked while out with him. We see it happen in Weakness. So, if the events illustrated there are accurate which they seem to be because we're shown her murder at the end of All-Knowing All-Agony and she is still outside in the forest.

Then it doesn't make sense to still believe that other child isn't real.

Because the girl is clearly hanging out with the other child. Hanging out with this other child is how she's alluded to have gotten in this situation to begin with. I doubt that she's imagining him as well?

If the boy was just someone imagined by Haruka it would be easier to display that by having the girls face be shown and the boys face covered. That or have his entire figure silhouetted or drawn stylistically. To better cement him as what if or a possibility for Haruka's life. Instead of what was done in Weakness.

So, I feel the most logical conclusion to draw is that's just another child that Haruka is projecting himself upon. He's watching two children hangout and projecting himself on the situation like that could've been me. I could have had that sort of childhood. Something that is far more common than most people are willing to admit.

As many have come to learn Milgram has a habit of showing the faces of important characters. This kid is the only one given a face outside of Haruka in his first trial music video. Sure it's Haruka's face but the point still stands.

We know that Haruka and this girl are not the same age and he was much larger than her when she was killed From All-Knowing All-Agony. Like we see it when he's strangling her at the end of the song his hands cover her whole neck. However we see this alluded to in Weakness as well.

When the girl is attacked by Haruka we are shown her hanging out with someone then being abruptly taken while doing so. I believe the other child she was spending time with when this happens is the focus Haruka's jealousy and anger.

Haruka kills this girl directly after this scene implying she was abruptly taken is displayed in Weakness. This makes it so the girl dies before we are even half way into the song. The rest of Weakness is about killing other things close to this kid and then the kid himself.

First the girl he was hanging out with,

Then his dog,

Q.15 What do you dislike?

Haruka: Young children and animals.

Then him,

There is literally a spotlight on this child to showcase that wherever he goes he gets all the attention,

While Haruka is in the shadows. Watching from the side waiting in the wings-

Whatever one wants to call it he is not in the spotlight, he's not the center of attention.

Am I really not supposed to think he killed this kid? This child who is clearly the main character on this set? Honestly if it is something else and this young boy is completely uninvolved then the video is doing a horrid job at displaying that at this point. Because the video itself is doing everything in its power to advertise every reason Haruka could have to kill this boy quite well.

The first time light hits Haruka- Like the first time he takes the spotlight is after killing the people in the spotlight. Haruka Sakurai getting away with murder simply because people are far more willing to give the benefit of the doubt then go hey this guy that canonically stated multiple times he killed for attention,

"There's no way it was wrong! If I hadn't done it nobody would have looked at me!"

Is visually displayed to be getting that attention after his kills through having the spotlight placed on him,

Definitely got attention at some point. It wasn't always like this he said things started changing in Weakness after all,

"You never called me by my name. Instead you kept calling me “hopeless”. You were always comparing me to someone else. You were always generous, except towards me."

I feel like after All-Knowing All-Agony came out it should have been pretty clear that the boy we saw in Weakness was a different child entirely. Most people should have begun asking what happened to that kid but there were simply other concerns. Including how much of risj Haruka was to himself and the other prisoners. A lot of people might have been thrown off by the fixation on having a mother Haruka displayed as well.

It's important to remember that there's a time crunch during trials and how difficult it can be to look the whole of a situation under time constraints. Now, you may be wondering well does that mean you didn't know this until after his trial Gunsli. Ah, no this is something I've recognized for a good while but didn't feel as though it was important.

This is because in my opinion the only thing this information does is reiterate what we already know. It reaffirms that Haruka is a murderer who targets things smaller and or weaker than him. In the case of Weakness and All-Knowing All-Agony his victims consisted of animals and children.

The strength of the individuals attacked did not matter. Because we're shown in All-Knowing All-Agony that he isn't just attacking puppies and kittens. No he's attacking fully adult dogs and cats. That while not extremely dangerous are prone to fight back when attacked.

Again this is something established when Haruka threatens Es. Es is not a small child like Amane. Es is a teenager closer to Haruka, Yuno, and Mu's ages. Yet Haruka blatantly states that he can kill anything smaller than him.

His focus on children and animals is solely due to the attention that they garner or take away from him. They are not the only thing he is capable of killing. Even if I brought these things to attention at that time it would not fundamentally change what was known about Haruka.

Because regardless of how many individuals he murdered three things remain true.

He can kill anything smaller than him.

He dislikes animals and children.

He kills out of jealousy/to get attention.

None of these things change if I go he killed more than one child. Then as I stated before his detractors at the time weren't discussing his crime but what he might do now while in Milgram. It wasn't about Haruka's victims but the threat he posed to others and himself. A lot of people purported that if Haruka was voted guilty then he would not be able to harm himself and therefore the audience could vote Mu however they wanted.

Then after stating this and getting him voted guilty decided to emphasize the threat he made to himself in order to try to get Mu innocent when she was on trial. This personally made me upset because well you all said if he was guilty we wouldn't need to vote Mu innocent because of the first level of restraint. Yet, what they meant was Haruka is dangerous, strange, and I don't feel safe with him and Mu near each other or I dislike the relationship that has formed between Mu and Haruka therefore I want to keep them apart by making sure they have different verdicts.

Which if it were presented that way instead of how it was we might be in a different place right now. However a lot of people thought they could have their Haruka Guilty verdict and there Mu innocent one too. It was a gamble and they lost. Because many argue or presented the information in a way that made it seem as though if we just found Haruka guilty then we wouldn't have to worry about his plan or the threat he made.

Outside of that there were general talks of negligence and mistreatment on the part of his parents. The usual things one hears discussed when it comes to Milgram characters. Yet, nothing about the kids or animals he killed. Nothing about the victims. Even though there was a general kneejerk reaction to how Haruka discussed mothers. No one ever attempted to discuss the similarities between Haruka's desire to find a mother and Mahiru's desire to find love.

By that I mean no one discussed the idea that Haruka was looking for his real mother in Milgram because his mother outside of Milgram is already dead.

"Yeah... Yeah, right, everyone only has one mother. The mother who never looked at me wasn't my mother either."

Even if she's not dead Haruka makes it clear in his second voice drama that he does not consider her his real mom any longer.

Beyond the fact that I felt it would just be reiterating things everyone already knew- I honestly just didn't really care for discussing the kids at that time either. It would be counterproductive to what I personally wished to accomplish. Since at that point in time I was personally interested on trying and ultimately failing to secure a 50/50 verdict for Haruka.

Discussing in depth what he did was more likely to make people lean more one way than another. Now in hindsight it is better that he didn't receive a 50/50 since ignoring him clearly what led to the problem to begin with given the visuals in Weakness and I did speak on the dangers he posed to other prisoners later.

When the same talking points used to get Haruka his guilty verdict were repurposed for the case of Amane Momose. Once again fixating on prisoner safety and the risk the specific prisoners posed to themselves and those around them within Milgram. Something I found quite funny considering the guy right after Amane is canonically not fully restrained by Milgram's rules and no one once posed that argument with him.

Even though again Mikoto is the most dangerous here simply by fact that he is not restricted to the extent that everyone else is. Well at least during the trials he isn't restrained to the same extent as them.

As it's showcased through Haruka (second trial voice drama), Futa (First trial voice drama), Kazui (first trial voice drama), and Amane (second trial voice drama) that the other prisoners cannot attack the guards/administrators.

Futa Braze you!! 3:23s

Before you started talking, you licked your lips, didn't you? That's proof that you're getting nervous. Not used to lying now, are you?

"Cut it out, asshole!"

[lunges towards Es]

[mystical sounds, grunting]

Does losing your temper make you forget that there's no point in trying to use violence?

Kazui Gouging in the Night 0:13

Sorry for the wait, prisoner number 7, Kazui. ...Hmm?

"Excuse me."

W-what?!

"Sorry, just let this idiot restrain you for a second."

E-eh...! Kh...! You...! That's rude! Eagh...

"Now, now... I won't hurt you, so don't be afraid... -huh?"

Ghaah! Nn...

"What's this...? I've suddenly lost my strength..."

Haah... haah... Prisoner number 7, Kazui! Do you understand the meaning of what you've just done?! Haa... This is a serious violations of guidelines.

"Hmm"

Hey! Are you listening to me Kazui?!

"If someone tries to hit you, their fist will suddenly stop... From Futa's account I had the mental image of an invisible wall, so I was wondering about what would happen if I tried to restrain you."

...

"But the moment I tried it, I lost my strength. I wonder why? It was almost like I, myself, became opposed to attacking you."

Hmph! I don't know all the details either, I just know that a prisoner can't attack the guard.

"I see... hehaha. But knowing that it's not like a magic barrier reassures me, as an old man. So there is a way to realistically explain it, at least... it might be something similar to hypnosis."

Haruka Metamorphosis of the Weak 5:18s

Hahah! You sure have developed an attitude. Go ahead and try. Idiot.

"Don't- make fun of me!"

[gets up from chair and runs at Es with his arms out]

[restrained/restricted due to clear malicious intent/intent to do harm]

"Ghhhh- guh! My body... won't move!"

Is your memory that bad? Violence from prisoners towards the warden is prohibited. Well... with one exception.

Amane Of Blessedness and Punishment 5:50s

"If you do not adjust your way of thinking... We, too, will never be able to forgive you."

Heh.

"What's so funny?"

What do you mean, "We"? You're making me laugh. What you're doing is just plain murder- Regardless of if we're talking generally or according to religion. It's murder.

"...!"

Understand that. Momose, Amane. It's not the "You's" who killed someone- It's just you."

"Don't look away from your actions by playing pretend!"

"...Heh...heheha... [shaky breaths] You've insulted us... You've insulted God!"

So what?

"THIS IS UNFORGIVABLE! I WON'T FORGIVE YOU!"

[takes out scissors]

"AHHHH!!!!"

[begins running towards Es scissors pointed at them]

[restrained/restricted due to clear malicious intent/intent to do harm]

...I'm telling you it's impossible for prisoners to attack the warden.

"Kck...! Hghh...!!" (Noises of struggle as though trying to push herself to continue their attack despite the mental restrictions put on the prisoners.)

"I won't forgive you... I won't forgive you!"

Did you get those scissors from the storage room? Did no one ever teach you not to use those on other people?

"In light of our doctrine, your insult to us is more than enough to warrant a punishment! I won't forgive you! I won't forgive you!"

[sound of scissors moving/being closed and thrust forward]

[restrained/restricted due to clear malicious intent/intent to do harm]

Well... It's in vain so you might as well listen to me while we're here. (Es clearly being unbothered by Amane persistently trying to stab them because they know she can do no harm to them.)

"I won't forgive you. I won't forgive you."

Prisoners can't attack the warden. This is one of Milgram's core rules. Although, a certain guy with multiple personalities managed to slip past it.

"I won't forgive you... I won't forgive you..."

Which means that Milgram doesn't dictate who the prisoners are based on their body but their minds. If the mind isn't the one accounted for, the rule doesn't apply.

It bothers me that there's a loophole but...

"I'll kill you...! I'll kill you!!"

Thanks to this defective rule, we can confirm this- The you holding those scissors right now isn't a god or concept,

"Because she was found “guilty”... oooh. Well that’s a dangerous game! I’d say you may end up catching a tiger by the tail. That isn’t even really Amane Momose anymore. You’ve awakened something much bigger."

"It's Amane Momose herself."

Es being incorrect about everything they assert in Amane's second voice drama will never stop being funny. Jackalope told us that Es was wrong about this way before Es even asserted this to be the case. They're wrong here because they ignorantly assume that all instances of dissociative disorders are the same.

They are using Mikoto's case as a reference in order to invalidate Amane's lived experience. Basically they're saying since you cannot hit me like Mikoto Kayano can you must be faking. If this was another instance of multiple mental states existing or possession by a higher power you'd be able to hit me.

Since Amane can't hit them that means she must be faking to them.

With that out of the way let's continue up until we see how the text blatantly displays Es' understanding of dissociation and it's related disorders is inaccurate.

"...I'll..."

So, what you're doing right now really is just a game of pretend. This is stupid.

"..."

Amane Of Blessedness and Punishment 10:17s

"..."

That's exactly why... We have also speculated whether this was really your crime, or that of your parents, of your surroundings.

"..."

But as I've said previously, there are different ways that these components could have worked together-

""We"? What's "we"? Is it not just "you"?"

...I...?

"Aren't we the same? You and I, Warden-san."

...

"You know I'm aware that I'm out of the ordinary. That my environment was peculiar, and that everyone else is normal."

Amane...

"In fact, there have been people who have told me as much. Saying things like, "You've been deceived.", "There's still hope for you.", "You're crazy."."

...

"You are treating me like a child after all. Because I'm a child, you believe I must have been brainwashed. It's not like that. I, too- children too- comprehend everything! Please don't just decide that people must be unhappy."

...

"I'm happy that I was born to my parents! It was a bit difficult, and it could feel restrictive at times, but I'm really happy that I could grow up on such beautiful teachings! I want to live this way!"

Is that so...

"You call that brainwashing, don't you? From my perspective, you also generally oppose religion based on your personal values. Why can such an opinion be blindly trusted just because it's held by more people?"

I got what you're trying to say.

"It's only natural that we, who weren't acknowledged as a society just because we're fewer in numbers, would view the possibility of a new world through Milgram as a dream come true."

Yeah, I've got it! Still, I won't recognize your doctrine. By my standards, a doctrine that approves murder cannot be forgiven!

"Yes. I understand that."

Milgram is a three trial system, however. I'll be watching and listening to the footage of your mind for now, going into deeper depths this time... and if I feel something there, I plan on firmly accepting that.

"Facing me head-on, is that right?"

Yeah. That's it.

"If you end up deciding not to forgive me- not to forgive us- then I will not forgive you, either."

Yeah.

"Ah... no, that's wrong. I will not forgive the "You's"."

Amane with no hesitation. "Are you playing pretend guard? Well I'm not as judgmental and closed-minded as you are. So, I'll treat you how you experience yourself I suppose. I'll face these "You's" of yours head on and if those you's don't forgive me I won't forgive them either." When the child has a better understanding of how varied dissociative experiences can be than most people in modern society.

I call that the narrative going whatever else happens you're gonna learn about dissociation. The narrative does not care if it has to drag the viewer to that point kicking, screaming, or crying and blatantly goes you can leave if you want.

Es only treats Amane like she's playing pretend because they saw one way a dissociative disorder can present and assumed it must work for everyone the same way. Something that the text blatantly and persistently points out is wrong. Having Amane call Es out like this is to directly contradict what they are stating to be the case. That Mikoto has dissociative identity disorder because of that Milgram was incapable of restraining him ergo if you were telling the truth you would be able to hit me like Mikoto could, you would be unrestrained. Since you can't Amane that means this is just you faking putting on an act.

What Amane does here asserts that Es is coming at this issue from a place of ignorance. That their assertion here is just wrong. Prior to them even making this statement and directly after they made it in the same voice drama. Even so, the fact that all of these prisoners are shown to be incapable of attacking the guard aligns with what Jackalope had told Es in Es' voice drama.

That the prisoners are not allowed to attack administrators (Jackalope and Es).

Outside of Mikoto,

Mikoto John Doe 8:57

A murderer without the memory of the murder... in that case, how should I think of you...? Hey, Mikoto-

"AAAAAAGH!!!"

...!

"RAAAAAGH!!"

Guh... what is- Mikoto-?

[panting and growling]

Nhh...! You... attacked me...? No way... That can't be...

"AaaAAAGH!! Fuck... fuck...! Stop pissing me off!"

There should be no way- for a prisoner to attack me-!

"Shut your mouth!"

GAH! Guh...!!

"You keep blabbering on and on...I'm gonna fucking kill you, you piece of shit!"

Who due to being stated within the canon to have Dissociative Identity Disorder (I'm saying it this way because their are several others within the story implied to have dissociative disorders) is unrestrained during trials. This means that Mikoto (John) could have attacked anyone as the trials were underway but did not. It is highlighted that Mikoto (John) is unrestrained when Mikoto (John) is shown as able to attack the guard during Mikoto's first voice drama John Doe where Es gets the name he gives to Mikoto later.

We could discuss how this means the one naming the voice dramas is implied to be Es but that would be digressing. Let's get back on track during the John Doe voice drama Kotoko comments on Mikoto's (John's) fighting ability stating,

"I saved your life, didn't I, warden-san?"

Kotoko...why?

"We can talk later."

...!

"One like the other..."

[struggling to balance self and get moving again/standing up straight or repositioning himself]

"YOU'RE PISSING ME OOOOOFFF!!!"

[rushes at Kotoko]

"Mph."

[braces self to block him]

"Geh...!"

[sound of a blow making contact/is blocked by Kotoko]

"Oraghh!!"

[sound of another blow making contact as Mikoto (John) attempts to hit her again/ sound of being blocked again]

"Don't you fucking mess around with me...!" [said while panting and winded]

"Nmph. Oomf. Your technique is definitely that of an amateur..."

"SHUT ITT!!!"

"Ngh...!! Your use of those muscles of yours is subpar."

"Annoying... you're annoying...! AAAAAAAaargh..!!"

"I could say the same."

"RrrrrRRAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!"

"Phew..." [takes a deep breath in] "Hup!" [flips him or does a move that uses his own strength and momentum against him]

"GAH!"

...! Knocked him out... with one hit..?

"Haaah. Be grateful to me. You got banged up pretty badly as is. Are you okay, warden-san?"

Your technique is definitely that of an amateur. - Your use of those muscles of yours is subpar.

It seems Mikoto (John) despite them having muscle isn't used to using it. I bring this up to say that we've heard Mikoto (John) fight in canon not only that but we were given a critique of his fighting abilities straight from someone who has studied martial arts since childhood,

Q.04 When did you start learning martial arts?

Kotoko: When I was in primary school, I think? Without enough power, justice won’t be upheld.

Kotoko's description of how Mikoto (John) uses their muscles directly conflicts with how Mikoto is displayed using their strength throughout MeMe. Something that aligns with Mikoto's trial one written interrogation answer where he blatantly admits,

Q.02 Have you ever played baseball?

Mikoto: I was really big on it when I was in high school. Though I wasn’t particularly good at it or anything. Even now if I’m feeling pent up from work I still sometimes practice swinging

Something that explains the precession and control displayed with the bat in MeMe in contrast to Double. In MeMe we're shown the pullback and follow through on Mikoto's swings in Double we are just given glamor shots of a swings. Even the one swing we're shown is from a close range mid-swing with not as much pullback or precision emphasis as MeMe. Ultimately how the baseball bat is displayed within Double lacks the precision and flare displayed in MeMe.

Which certainly sucks because the bat is shown more times in Double than it is in MeMe. In MeMe we literally only have a few seconds of seeing it used at the very start then we don't see it again. In Double we see it multiple times and none of them are as good as the few seconds we see it in MeMe in my opinion. Even when seeing him use the bat one-handed by the way terrible way to use this weapon but you do you man. It just doesn't have the same force or thought put into it.

It's just done in such a flippant way.

Still this contrasts how all the others were incapable of attacking Es prior to and after this instance. Kazui downright states within his first voice drama that unlike what Futa believed there is no invisible barrier they've all just been mentally conditioned to not attack the guard. Stating knowing this puts him more at ease as well. Because it reaffirms Kazui's held belief that Milgram is happening within the real world and is bound by the same logic despite how fantastical it may seem.

Basically Kazui caught on to what Milgram was from the start and is either being more open about that than the others or found out faster than them. Due to the fact that Kazui and Milgram lie in similar ways through misdirecting the viewer.

due to the mental conditioning they were put under.

Due to the the fact Mikoto has dissociative identity disorder Mikoto and Mikoto (John) do not share all of the same memories or experiences. It can be easy to forget that dissociative identity disorder heavily impacts memory whatever was done to restrain Mikoto- Who Jackalope stated was back out during trial two so we have confirmation it worked on him and he did not attack because the mental conditioning did work and he simply cannot during the trial like every other prisoner. I will preface that this is different for everyone with this OSDDID and varies from person to person.

However, they are two different people with two different lived experiences. This is why Mikoto (John) states in the second voice drama well I am a college graduate after all. A stark contrast between Mikoto's work focused conversations. Mikoto mentions college more off handedly. In minigrams and in the portal timeline he even blatantly admits studying isn't something he liked doing it was just what he needed to do.

He describes it as I did x then y and z in that order for these reasons. Math nope can't help with that but if you need help with anything communication based call me. Sir you are a college graduate this man who was in high school not long ago oh my gosh they're teaching you this math already? Buddy you were like just in high school but also mood because I don't fucking remember what they taught back then either.

But um again dissociative disorders usually fuck with a person's memory.

20/07/15

Amane: Eh, my studies? I enjoy it. To me, studying is something I do for fun. Do you not think the same, Mikoto-san?

Mikoto: Not at all! It’s just a means to an end…… I just did the bare minimum needed to get into a good company. I actually went to an arts uni that had a pretty low subject requirement to enroll, and from there I studied curation and…… uhh, you don’t really know what that is huh. Hmm. Since your way of speaking is so mature, I keep forgetting I need to explain myself properly……

Amane: It’s fine. If there are any words I don’t understand I can look them up later. An arts university, though…… Does that mean you’re good at drawing, then? It may be a bit rude to say, but that’s rather unexpected.

Mikoto: No, not really…? I mean, I could do the bare minimum needed to pass the entrance exam though. Even though it’s called an arts uni, there’s still subjects where you don’t need to draw at all. I’m the sort of person who tries to be efficient, so I worked backwards from the job I wanted to get into and chose to study subjects like direction and management~ ……ah, I’ve done it again……

I've brought this up before in reference to another thing.

However, I'm bringing it up again here to showcase that Mikoto and Mikoto (John) have their own lived experiences, and subjects of focus or pride. Mikoto is proud of his job Mikoto (John) is proud of his degree. They have different memories of the situation one knowing more another knowing less. Given how dissociative identity disorder presents in them whatever mental conditioning Mikoto underwent when they were brought into Milgram did not effect Mikoto (John) because Milgram didn't know he existed.

If they did then best believe they would have done that shit twice. Jackalope would have done what he asked us to do last trial force Mikoto (John) out then restrain him. However, since Milgram was already in the middle of running Jackalope just presented the question to Es the guard.

Because that's Milgram that's how it goes. Es and the audience decided not to go ahead with that.

Despite being shown Mikoto blatantly jumping the guard during his first voice drama everyone simply went I don't see it in his case. Like really just went fine I'll believe you're an honest man. I love that for him but this was being done while simultaneously going that fucker over there is a scoundrel that should have never been born though. Fuck that guy over there he doesn't deserve life- Alright, that won't go wrong.

What of prisoner safety now?

Ahn- fuck it untie that man completely actually. He's safe. He wouldn't do anything wrong.

Man, I really want them to untie him... I know that may read like I'm being critical of this which to an extent I am. However, I'm only critical of the blatant hypocrisy but since it's happening to my favorite guy I'm not that mad. In fact I was thrilled about it. Like yes vote him innocent without even thinking about it! Please believe everything he's saying despite the fact he's clearly stumbling over himself throughout his second voice drama.

I'm sorry for saying go off king and sit down stop talking please- I should've trusted you, you had this shit in the bag. I had too little faith but you were right you would save you but where are you now. Nowhere to be found all over again, huh. Whelp- On one hand there's the blatant hypocrisy on the other hand I really wanted him untied. I want him to remove all his restraints I think it would be funny.

I am not faulting Mikoto for this turn of events at all. The series showed what he was capable of if people choose to ignore it and trust him that's on them. Well it can be a little on him for being so damn convincing. I mean he did absolutely fantastic there unlike some others. Dude really doubled down and went I don't know anything about that are you sure the images you extracted weren't just misconstrued or completely fabricated due to the dissociative identity disorder and everyone went ya know despite the years of research around DID and false or inserted memories I'll simply believe this one guy with a vested interest in this being true at this very moment and this moment only.

Like seriously there was a lot of controversial history around the study of DID and false memories where people like actual psychologists said the memories of trauma were induced in the patient by the psychiatrist and actually they traumatic thing they remembered never happened. It was all fake a delusion brought about by poor mental health care. Dude really just came in and was like are you sure the DID didn't just make me think I committed murder.

Then despite us seeing him fucking dispose of evidence a trial ago over seventy percent of viewers went yeah bro just have it. Take the innocent verdict. He worked his hardest for it. Honestly what he deserves. I'm not about to get mad at him for successfully convincing people he did nothing wrong and is an honest man.

At a point it's important to realize that some people want to be convinced more than the person doing the convincing wants them to be. I'm not gonna lie I don't remember what made me go on this tangent I am on so many antihistamines right now and have been trying to answer this one ask for days. If I had to guess it was probably connected to how the threat Haruka posed to himself and others was overblown especially in contrast to how Mikoto's not fully restrained state was handled.

Went up to look and that is how we got on this tangent whelp I'm nothing if not predictable. Okay I don't know how to segue out of this sooo-

Considering Haruka is now dead or lost as Jackalope put it. I feel like discussing his crime in full really can't hurt him and is just an extension of the attention he wanted to begin with. Personally to me this is the best situation in which to discuss the intricacies of his crime. Where I don't have to worry about it making him look worse or better because he doesn't have a trial coming up anymore.

In the case he did I would feel more uncomfortable and like the direct cause of his characters misfortune. For me I just didn't feel strongly enough about Haruka to justify leaning strongly one way or another which is why I was pushing for a 50/50 while mostly keeping to myself.

So, I'm not saying any of this to besmirch his memory or anything. I'm just analyzing the case in full to give an accurate description of what I believed his victims to be like. I lie to believe that others were thinking about the possibility that Haruka harmed more than one child. Just as he harmed more than one animal but sad reality may be that it was just such a hectic time that no one did or people simply didn't want to entertain that thought because he already looked bad enough.

I can understand why it would be too depressing of a framing. I mean under this idea- this kid lost his friend, his dog, and then his life. Simply because of his proximity to Haruka. Under this idea Haruka may have even killed his own mother before going into Milgram. Yet, if people believed that he could harm Mu someone he said was his real mom due to the imagery in All-Knowing All-Agony it's not really that far from what he was being accused of already.

Then even after all that Haruka did have the audacity or forthrightness to say he didn't hate this kid. He did not hate them he was jealous. Like damn honestly these are the actions of someone who certainly didn't like him. That's something I know for sure. I'm gonna be optimistic. Someone was probably bringing this up and kudos to them for doing so.

As we've established to my memory that someone was not me because I had a vested interest in not bringing it up and I will be honest about that. What can say I liked Haruka more than I cared about the possibility of him killing multiple children and he was already in prison with no desire to leave. He wasn't saying let me out of here, I want to go home, I wanna go out and do the same things again.

Q.03 Do you want to leave Milgram?

Haruka: I want to stay here forever.

He was saying I want to stay here forever. To be honest if it weren't for Milgram then frankly whatever he's done would be none of my business. Let's call a spade a spade.

I was bias here. There are some fronts that I relate to Haruka on and they are the same fronts I relate to Amane on.

Having neglectful, disparaging, to abusive parents I sympathize with that and do not regret how I chose to handle sympathizing with that. Also, it's not my responsibility to think for anyone else here we all have the same information- How we interpret that information and what we do with that interpretation is up to our individual discretion. We all have the responsibility to think for ourselves and do what is best for us.

I will omit shit especially if it's for the bit. We should all omit things from time to time be it for our personal safety or benefit. Just saying knowing when to pull out, stay quiet, and read the room before you move does save lives as well as one's own personal time and energy. That was not my battle. I was not screaming on the battlefield that Haruka was good or bad.

I could have chosen to advocate for his possible other victims and I choose Haruka over that to an extent.

Which frankly does say something about me and yeah a part of me does feel ashamed about it. Yet, that's Milgram if it's not testing my lines why would I be here. If it's not pushing me to think about what I'm willing to let slide or not and why then it wouldn't be doing the thing I enjoy the most about it.

It's not meant to feel rewarding to judge a crime.

A person isn't meant to leave feeling completely satisfied with themselves and their choices. Crime and punishment is so deeply rooted into humanity as a whole because it's not easy- It's not clear cut. It has victims, it has lives lost or negatively impacted through the acts taken. To leave satisfied from looking at something like that to those who experienced those things may come off as poorly as saying I'm glad that bad thing happened to you.

It's meant to feel bad because for a crime to occur means soemthing bad happened here. So, I'm happy that I can look back on my choices in regards to the characters and feel bad or go wow I just ignored that whole other crime. I'm not on this earth to make completely morally just decisions all the time or have all the answers immediately. In the moment things will always look different than when we have the time to think back on them later.

The choices I make and how I act on them reflect on me they impact me through the act of making them. There's no such thing as something,

"There is nothing in this world that you CAN take back."

I believed as soon as that girl was shown to be younger than him in when she was being attacked at the end of All-Knowing All-Agony the audience should have begun interrogating his case for what it was a little more. Instead of concerning themselves with prison safety because there was no way to make this prison entirely safe.

So we've established on top of the girl and animals I believe there are more victims. I've laid out why that is.

Then on top of the the little guy who I'm pretty sure he killed. I briefly mentioned that I believe he killed his mom as well. Because he is searching for a new mother within Milgram similarly to how Mahiru is seeking new love and was planning to pursue it outside of Milgram if she got out.

Mahiru and Hauka have a lot of overlap in how they perceive affection, love, acceptance, and attention. If Mahiru's looking for a new love and we know what happened to her last lover then chances are Mrs.Sakurai may not be alive anymore.

This is something supported by Haruka's language on the situation as well.

When it came to how he discussed Mu and Es. The way Haruka stated Es wasn't his mother after threatening to kill them in response to a perceived rejection. Then in the same voice drama stated that he found his real mother. Because people can only have one mother after all and the other woman wasn't his real mom either.

In his music videos Haruka does a good job of presenting himself as smaller in comparison to his mother. However, we as the audience know that is not the case. That is just how Haruka mentally conceptualizes himself in contrast to who he views as his mother.

In actuality Haruka is, 174cm tall or 5'9". Which while is shorter than my dad (177.8 5'10"), Shidou (180cm or 5'11"), and Kazui (186cm 6'1"). Still means he's a good bit larger than Es who stands at 157cm or 5'2". Aso for no particularly reason the average height for adult women in Japan is- Upon googling this I was told plainly it is the exact height Es is.

Source: Average Height in Japan 2025

Do with that what you will. Didn't think it would be that on the nose but alright Yamanaka. Makes my life easier.

Even if it wasn't for all that. Haruka just tells Es quite straight forwardly he can kill anything smaller than him. Which this man is around 5'8"-5'9" there are a lot of things smaller than him I am smaller than him when it comes to height.

I bring this up to state he doesn't say he can kill any child or animal. He specifies anything smaller than him. The criteria to get caught lacking by Haruka is to be smaller than him. That is it. It does not just have to be a child it is anything alive that is smaller than him regardless of age. Or if they are a grown fucking dog. Just an adult hound. An animal not notorious for it's ability to take down fully grown adults.

"...You're mean. You're so mean... I, I-I can kill anything that's smaller than me, you know!"

As I've mentioned several times at this point the viewers are shown that the girl he killed was murdered outside but we see a crime alluded to inside his home as well. He tries to cover this up by comparing himself to these animals visually giving the impression he killed things outside and brought them back to show off to his mom.

We see him caught in the middle of the woods covered in blood one could surmise that he was caught bringing something back to his home. Yet, I don't really believe that. I think some of his kills were left in the woods and that the other child was killed within his home.

At this point one of several thing could have happened. Haruka either had a younger brother. However, this seems to have been debunked by his own statement in his first trial interrogation.

Q.07 Tell us your family structure.

Haruka: My father and my mother and me.

Where he states he is a only child.

However we know from how other people answered this question that the answer doesn't always have to be their current or previous family structure. From Kazui saying it's just me now, as well as Amane and Shidou listing their deceased family members. Shidou listing his wife and two children while Amane lists her mother and father.

None of them are lying these are either their current family structures or what they used to be.

Q.09 Tell us your family structure.

Kazui: It’s only me now.

Amane: It was my father, my mother and me.

Q.11 Tell us your family structure.

Shidou: Wife and two children.

Amane framing her answer the exact same way Haruka did except saying "It was" before it to imply it's no longer that. Because her mom is dead and her dad is off somewhere. Haruka could be stating his current family structure which would imply his mother is alive but leave room for the idea that he did have a sibling who is no longer with them.

It's also important to note that he, Amane, and Mikoto specify my when referring to their parents.

Q.01 Tell us your family structure.

Mikoto: My mother, me, and my younger sister. My sister’s a blossoming high school student.

Unlike other prisoners who just say Mom, dad, grandparents-

These are the only two to specify my parents, my father, my mother.

Q.07 Tell us your family structure.

Yuno: Grandpa, grandma, mum, me, younger brother←Yura

Q.08 Tell us your family structure.

Futa: Father and older sister.

Mu: Papa, Mama and Mu.

Q.11 Tell us your family structure.

Mahiru: Papa, Mama, Mahiru.

Q.08 Tell us your family structure.

Kotoko: Grandmother, father, mother, older brother.

Haruka, Amane, and Mikoto all explain their family structures in a more professional way. Not as casually as the other prisoners do. Futa and Kotoko don't even mention themselves within their family structures because their position in it is implied. Them both being the youngest children in their families.

So, Haruka, Amane, and Mikoto mentioning specifically my could just be them properly answering the question or allude to them having other sibling by one parent and someone who is not related to them. Hence the my as in these are my parents my half-sibling, adopted sibling, family friend who is basically raised here, family member who may have lost his parents and lives here now and whatever other situation may cause someone to be apart of one's family structure but not their direct sibling has a different parent or different parents from me entirely.

But these are my parents, this is my mom, I am their kid. However, I don't really believe in the adopted sibling idea that much. Because every other person within Milgram has answered this question accurately. Even Kazui who says it's just me now. There would by just adding now or it used to be would allude to this being possible more so than what we're given.

I think the one question that the prisoners are not being dishonest in is the tell us your family structure one. At least not outright lying but simply omitting by focusing on how it is now or how it was then. Haruka doesn't do this so I do believe he is just an only child because of how specific the answers to this question are in comparison and how those answers align with how the narratives have progressed.

Okay so the young boy isn't an adopted sibling but they could still have some familial relation outside of that. No not really because if a family member is now living in your household they are technically a part of the family structure. Regardless of if they're a cousin, niece, nephew, aunt, or uncle. Usually they'd be apart of that structure at the point they're living there.

Okay so, I personally don't think either of these kids were related to Haruka's family. So what are they. They're neighbors. Those are Haruka's neighbors. Those are his neighbors kids. But then why were they in Haruka's house.

Haruka says that his mom was generous to everyone but him. That she was always comparing him to someone else. Parents compare their children to the children of their peers and relatives. For example,

"When Haruka was his age he could barely do that." or "Oh I wish my son was like yours." and so on.

I think the boy was the son of a neighbor or someone in the area Haruka lived in. That he more than likely had a disability as well. Because I think after having Haruka his mother got involved with disability awareness and helping children who have them. She didn't have to make it her profession or anything. She just took an interest in order to figure out how to help Haruka when he was struggling as a child.

Then when her neighbors had a kid who had similar issues to Haruka they went to her for help because she already had the experience. In contrast to Haruka who she was harsh and exasperated with. Either because she wasn't as informed as she is now, because she's simply harder on her own kid than the kids of others she was more encouraging and attentive with this other kid, or she just mellowed out with age.

She wasn't as disparaging because she recognized this other kid just needed a little more time, was a child, and was probably having the same difficulties that Haruka did when he was coming up and maybe she wanted to do better for this kid then she did with Haruka but never actively recognized her parental failings in regards to Haruka. This ultimately stoked Haruka's jealousy.

Her spending more time focusing on helping others in the area could have led to him questioning why she was changing and moving away from him while fueling his desire to be a pitied and loved weakling. Because he would associate the attention these kids were getting with the fact that they were weak and pitiable which meant they deserved more care. As well as conceptualized him not getting as much attention as due to him being competent enough to no longer need it.

The children possibly having disabilities as well could tie into him saying his loneliness was desired. I.E I wasn't looking for people who had the same issues as me. I was fine thinking I was the only one wrong and that I was the only one who had it hard since I was born. This would re-conceptualize this lyric,

"I’ve become a victim, I’ve become a victim- My loneliness was desired."

As well as his focus on being different from everyone else.

Q.13 What do you think sets you apart from everyone else?

Haruka: Everything. Everything is wrong.

Q.18 Which of the other prisoners is most like you?

Haruka: Nobody. They’re all amazing people.

"Aren't I the only unfortunate person here?!"

"Because I'm the only one who could never do anything since I was born, because I could never do the same things as everyone around me, my mother gave up on me and I stopped existing in her world!"

But what if he wasn't the only one who couldn't do anything since he was born. What if he wasn't the only person with things they just couldn't change or do? What if wasn't a pitied and loved weakling- What if-

"I wanted to be a pitied and loved weakling. I was in denial, I was in denial."/ "I, I-I can kill anything smaller than me you know!"

He was just in denial. What if instead of a weakling he was someone who could kill anything smaller than him. He was someone that killed weaklings. Even without taking into the consideration the children Haruka killed might not have been neurotypical he still killed people much weaker than him.

The idea that the boy was someone who had the same diagnosis Haruka possibly had just adds to the jealousy he may have felt to me. Because it can sting a little more when someone who seemingly has the same issues as oneself is successful or praised as better than oneself. Something like that can feel all the more invalidating.

It doesn't help that Haruka's mother seemed to be the type of person who believes an individual is no longer disabled once they stop showing the negative traits attributed with their disability or disabilities. She seems like the type to believe just because a person isn't throwing tantrums or having difficulties communicating one thing that they suddenly don't need as much help.

She's focused more on his outward behavior than how he's emotionally doing. This sort of behavior can be helpful for young children who are still trying to learn how to navigate the world and how to behave in certain settings- However, it's not a helpful approach for older children who need more hands on attention to navigate more complex social situations.

The sad truth is Milgram states that Haruka has communication issues out the gate but the more that he's spoken to the more he'll pick up. Haruka himself even showcases at times it's not that he can't learn it's that no one had the patience to teach him. He was considered a lost cause or hopeless because teaching him was too difficult,

"If I tried and couldn’t say it- You would get angry at me and say “You’re hopeless.”."

His mom may have worked with kids in some capacity tutoring or watching them for neighbors. This could lead into the why are you changing please don't change thing. As well as his fear and dislike of children. It would also explain why a child unrelated to his household would be in his home. While turning the previous statement from a mindless omission or half truth to simply the truth.

I'm certain that his victims were around Amane's age when she was brought into Milgram. He states he's afraid of children Amane's age. His victims probably had a lot of similarities with Amane. They were probably decent at school (possibly above average in specific subjects), could talk well to adults around them, and we're the sort of children parents liked to show off and were proud of.

Q.01 What’s your speciality skill?

Amane: I don’t think I have a particular skill. Would studying count? I’m good at Japanese language.

Q.04 Are your family proud of you?

Amane: Of course. You couldn’t find a more exemplary daughter than me.

They're implied to have been around Amane's age through Haruka's statement on Amane during his first voice drama 4:18s,

Well, that's as expected. The only name left that hasn't been said is Amane.

"A-Amane."

What's wrong?

"I-I'm not good with them; children at that age. A-Amane is a good girl- But, she brings back b- bad memories."

Are you alright? You're looking pale you know?

"I shouldn't get too i-involved with people in the first place."

Outside of the victims are illustrated to be children and animals in Weakness and All-Knowing And All-Agony. So, I'm pretty certain his victims were children about twelve years old. Given how he views the possible male victim in Weakness I also believe that he projects upon his victims to an extent. This would explain why the child in Weakness looks like him while leaving room for the kid to be unrelated to him.

There's a lot of jealousy and self-loathing incorporated into his killings.

As I said earlier in weakness it seemed like he treated the victim he projected on similarly to his mother. By that i mean he took away things close to him at first to try to get the attention on him but that seemingly just got the boy more attention. Because he would have just lost his friend and his dog which would lead to more concern being put on him. This would also explain why Haruka states in his second voice drama that no matter what he took away his mother wouldn't pay attention to him. As well as why he was admitting to the crime in Weakness repeatedly.

There's a good chance no one knew Haruka was involved in any of this until the boy was killed or the incident in his home. Before that incident in Weakness the light barely touches him but at the climax he's completely in the light and being recognized for his actions. Him saying it was me is similar to how some people who commit crimes end up confessing to them for the attention.

It's also a similarity he shares with Kotoko. Because Kotoko can't drown in the knowledge that she was right unless others judge what she did. In order to do that one has to know what she did. The same is true with Haruka- He can't get attention if no one knows what he did.

"I was wrong- Yes, it was me."

This is also illustrated by how he looks happy to be caught at the end of Weakness and All-Knowing And All-Agony. In contrast to how Mahiru looks at the end of This Is How To Be In Love With You or Kazui in Cat.

This would lead to all this stuff he was taking away bringing more and more attention to the other child. The exact opposite of what he wanted and leading to him killing the kid once he saw his mom spending time with him. So this tells you what I think of the mom and somewhat the kids.

But what do I think the kids were like personality wise. The girl seemed a bit average she looked to be being lead around by the guy more looking at him. She may have been the quiet type or new in the area and the boy invited her out to se the fireworks to get her out of her shell a bit. The people in Haruka's neighborhood could have viewed them as a cute match because oh isn't that nice.

They may have been the only young kids in that area. So a lot of people could have fawned over them. Haruka could have been one of the few children in his neighborhood growing up which could play into the drastic change in interest as he aged. I think the boy might have been popular around Haruka's neighborhood. Maybe considered talented in some way. The girl well liked and sweet but fairly new to the community. Her death was probably considered a tragedy and made people with kids wonder about moving there or continuing to stay there. In response people may have gotten pets like dogs to protect there family and watch out for their ids while out.

Yet the kids could have been the two that are always together to the extent the adults around them assume they'll get together one day or make mindless statements like aren't you both so cute together. I think his victims if it was more than one had a relationship similar to the one with see presented with Shidou and his wife. A sort of idyllic life style with a lot of prospects. Two kids the community had a lot of hope and expectations for in contrast to Haruka.

"It is. I felt uneasy about it this whole time... Someone as worthless as me... Having killed to gain attention, and a person who surely had more worth and more of a future than me, at that..."

Haruka also doesn't state it was a little girl until

Yuno

Well it's easier to just read these for this one,

Big Yuno Post Links to Many More, Yuno Prenatal Care Ask (There is another ask but I am still unable to find it.)

Long story short I believe she killed two of her clients. One who talked her into getting an abortion prior to the other pregnancy we hear about. Then this other guy who was just simply annoying and kept trying to have a relationship with her. The first one I refer to as Red for the red ribbon tied to the balloon she tried to grab in Umbilical and the other is Yellow for the ribbon on the balloon she actually grabbed.

They both kind of suck I imagine Red was already in a committed relationship but wanted something a little more unconditional on the side. Meanwhile Yellow was single and ended up catching feelings for Yuno through her work. He began making a lot of assumptions about her life similarly to the audience creating this ideal version of her in his mind and then kind of expecting her to be that. He was ultimately the type of client no one in Yuno's line of work wants to have and is may be the person she is referring to when she says this,

"I don’t need to be lectured to like that. Do you just want to make yourself feel even better?" as well as, "Just shut it, will you? You know it all."

And why in Tear Drop she says,

"I’m the one who chose, let you and you and you all in."

The you all here referring to Es and the audience more than likely. Which would leave the other two mentions of you unaccounted for. I imagine they're both really normal guys. Red seems to be a office worker of some sort since he's the one to lend Yuno the jacket. Since school girl Yuno is the one to give her that jacket within the music video he could also be a teacher.

Yet that would involve assuming that the school girl uniform Yuno wears to work is her actual uniform. Which I don't believe it is. It's rather generic in comparison to the other uniforms we've seen in Milgram. I think this is more likely to be a school girl costume she bought for work than the actual uniform for her high school.

Especially since students can get in trouble if seen doing what she's doing. The jacket is shown to be something she is attached to so I think it more than likely belongs to Red or the client she actually has some affection towards.

Futa

Mm... I think he killed a few people. After being betrayed. I had this impression since Bring It On. I mostly got it from the line "You won’t be forgiven, it was stupid licking each other’s wounds." So I feel as though he ended up killing people who used to be his comrades. Tying back into the everyone else was having fun thing what about them.

Can't really judge those others if they're the ones dead. But he can still bring up the trouble they created that made him feel like killing them was the only. Bringing up how he's the result of blame shifting. Alluding to the idea that group he was in had a habit of turning on their own and blaming them for things they'd done themselves.

I.E this line,

"Me, the result of blame-shifting, no, can’t find that funny."

Actually I wrote something on this a few years back as well.

Through Fire and Tears

Man cannot believe it's going on three years since I wrote this. Basically I like to think he firebombed a building the people who put all this on him hung out in. His victims were probably other college students. He brings up his belief that Kotoko is being taken advantage of by Es but he may be projecting. He also states in his first interrogation that he doesn't look up to anyone because one you do you've failed.

So he was probably misled by someone he did look up to in some way.

Q.13 Who do you look up to?

Futa: If you look up to someone you’ve lost.

She's shown to have more than one victim of her bullying. I think the person we see her kill though was just a rather normal student. She wasn't trying to stop the bullying or anything. In fact she just wanted to remain uninvolved entirely. It's not like she went to report what they were doing to a staff member or recorded it to report later.

No she kind of just left. Just like Mu was a bully her victim was kind of complacent in it as well. Probably because she wanted to avoid drawing attention to herself for whatever help that did. She seems athletic. The board makes fun of her for reeking of poverty. So she could be at the school on scholarship I assume a track one.

Given her shoes and her being at school after hours. Something that could be for club reason. Also because of how quickly she gets away from the roof and how fast Mu has to run to catch up with her. She seems to have a very fast stride or Mu is really slow. Overall from the way she carried herself she seems rather pragmatic. A lot like Yuno in the regard that she's not going to bother with intervening.

Seems to keep to herself and have little respect for people she views as acting inappropriately or full of themselves. Seems to have kept to herself which made her an easier target for bullying later after falling out with Mu. Seems like the sort to be more bothered by the bullying for financial reasons (the destruction of her personal property) than emotional reasons.

Probably has a solid sense of right and wrong but doesn't want to do anything that would lead to her standing out.

Shidou

I don't think of his wife and kids as victims of his. It's heavily implied his wife was either sick or his family was in a car accident. That makes them the furthest from being his victims. One if not both of these things is implied to have happened after what he was doing.

His victims seemed to be children mainly. Probably people in comas or vegetative states. Since it's common for doctors to assume a person is brain dead without doing the proper tests to just empty a room. This is said as someone who had to hear about almost losing a family member because the doctor said they were brain dead but since they moved when they said that they went oh okay it's a coma.

Even though it isn't always the case it is very common for places especially crowded one's to just like assume instead of go through the proper procedures and check then if the family believes them without asking that's usually put on them. Like well they consented it doesn't matter how it was told to them to get them to say yes they consented.

Guess what that is- You got it a form of malpractice. What is Shidou not?

A neurologist.

What is usually needed to diagnose brain death? The word of two neurologists or two or more doctors with requisite expertise.

"Brain Death" refers to a condition in which the functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem that controls respiration, are irreversibly lost due to occurrences such as head trauma and cerebral apoplexy. The advent of respirators made it possible to temporarily maintain the heart beat even after the loss of cerebral functions, but the heart will eventually stop beating in a few days. The "vegetative state" is a condition in which all or some of the cerebral functions are lost and the patient loses consciousness. However, the functions of the brain stem remain, spontaneous respiration is possible in many cases, and sometimes recovery occurs. Therefore a vegetative state is fundamentally different from brain death. Brain death will only be declared if organic injury is observed in the brain with attributable cause and if the following criteria are met: Deep coma Dilated and fixed pupils Loss of brain stem reflex Flat brain waves Loss of spontaneous respiration Two or more doctors with requisite expertise and experience confirm no changes after a second test conducted six or more hours later. (24 hours or more for children between the ages 12 weeks after birth to under 6 years) Brain death cannot be declared in persons with drug intoxication, low body temperature, or endocrine/metabolic diseases. This evaluation is considered to be medically certain.

Never just one fucking guy going trust me it's this.

Yet, as we've established many doctors globally just go trust me it's this when it can be literally two other things that look similar to it.

NHS Brain Death Diagnosis Criteria

The diagnosis of brain death has to be made by 2 doctors, and at least 1 of them must be a senior doctor. Neither of them can be involved with the hospital's transplant team. The doctors will explain the tests to you and keep you informed about your loved one's condition at all times. The doctors will run a series of tests. Both doctors have to agree on the results for a diagnosis of brain death to be confirmed. The tests are carried out twice to minimise any chance of error.

So, unlike most people I think Shidou's victims were actually alive because no one person can diagnose what is claimed he did. It is actually not,

"You do know that it’s up to me?"

Up to him. He is not indispensable. He actually needs another party to diagnoses the thing he's claiming happened to more than one patient. And the reason we only see confirmed brain death in Triage is because his wife is brain dead. And he's more than likely been claiming other people are to put more organs into her already dead body that has literally no chance of recovering.

Because he is a selfish fucking man and has done nothing to hide that. First time we see his family is the first time we see a machine that is used to test for brain death. All of Throw Down with his patients all we see is him going up to family like they're dead trust me- Also his internal fucking monologue during these moments.

"After stabbing you with my words, the blood started to flow and slowly stained my white. Hey, you remember what it feels like? The feeling to take away in order to give."

This woman, "No, you're telling me my son and or daughter is never going to wake up again there's no chance of recovery at all?" sobbing.

Shidou, "Sadly there's not but with your permissions their organs could really help me- I mean another person in need." She's still alive I can save her-

"“Throw down” connecting you with me- To keep you alive, you are still living."

"Those cards of promise I discarded were they retribution for my incessant taking."

"Hey, you remember what it feels like? The feeling to take away in order to give."

"Not dead... Yeah she's definitely not dead... I finally understand the value of what I've been robbing people of."

He was doing this before anything even happened to this woman. He literally had no reason to do this shit and he was already doing it. He was already doing it.

"Those cards of promise I discarded were they retribution for my incessant taking? In that case, I should have been the one. That’s the correct answer, but then why-"

Karma's a bitch lose what you so readily stole from others and live with it like you made them. The fuck do you mean why? Why did you kill people's families? What happened with you was a tragic accident-

Q.12 Can you drive a car?

Shidou: I can. I don’t really want to any more, though.

What happened to those who encountered you was an insane act of cruelty done by a selfish small-minded man who took advantage of his position as a medical professional. Which not faulting him for this if he sincerely thought he could cure brain death and bring his wife back which I think he did given this statement,

Q.15 Do you think you’ve made a contribution to society?

Shidou: I used to think my work was a contribution to society.

Because at that point he was just in denial. He was frankly in denial and really wanted his wife back. Understandable she seemed like a very great and beautiful dare I say fine as hell individual. However, the implication from his words and song lyrics imply he was doing this before she was injured.

Which raises so many more questions like what the fuck were you doing before that. I get he doubled down after but what the hell was he doing prior to that which needed malpractice to be accomplished? Like each time something happens to his family he has gone,

"I know I deserve this. I know I did things to deserve this happening but the people I care about though, really? Why couldn't you just hit me I'm right here?!"

It's never like oh my god why I don't deserve this- Each time it is literally like,

"I understand what I did was wrong but why are you taking from me now. This can't be real I see how cruel this world is now."

Buddy you killed people prior to this- Even if karma didn't already exist in your narrative did you just think consequences weren't going to occur?

No he did. He did and he didn't care.

"I don’t feel scared because I don’t know."/ "Emotions with no color I wonder if I can die with it still left."

Mahiru

Which one? Because worse case scenario she has killed multiple men and possibly some women. Because she states in I Love You,

"It’s ok for everyone else but not for me."

Which is her outright admitting that she did the same things as everyone else that was innocent but was found guilty for some reason. Which holy hell that's a bold statement. She is blatant about how that unfairness has upset her within her second trial voice drama and at the beginning of her second trial song.

She also says she's not holding a grudge against Kotoko because she understands she had something she could not concede just like her.

Like okay girl we get it you kill people you don't have to be super nice about everyone else doing it though. Please set some boundaries- Oh wait Mahiru isn't so good at that is she? Be it setting boundaries or respecting them.

I'm getting ahead of myself though Mahiru's whole thing is being accepting of the other prisoners who resemble her. So her being lenient with Kotoko's behavior but not liking Mikoto or Futa from the start,

Q.05 Who do you dislike most out of the other prisoners?

Shidou: I don’t dislike anyone particularly. However, I think Amane rather dislikes me. Such a shame.

Mahiru: Futa-kun is a bully, so definitely out! Also Mikoto is pretty flippant, he kinda seems like the type who’d cheat~

Makes it clear that she is observant enough to pick up on the traits that she finds undesirable and polite enough not to say it to the person's face. Except in Shidou's case where she flat out tells him that he'd be better looking if he gained some weight,

20/06/08

Mahiru: Shidou-san…… you’re really good-looking. Personally I think you’d be better if you ate a bit more, but you’re slim and tall, and well put together to boot…… You must’ve been super popular up until now, right?

Shidou: ……yeah, that’s true…… I did my share of fooling around in the past.

Mahiru: Oh~? That’s not the sort of answer I’d expect from you. I’ve got it! Somebody told you that if you replied like that people wouldn’t resent you so much, right?

Shidou: Haha, I’m surprised you guessed. ……it seems that no matter what guise I put on, it’s meaningless against a woman’s insight.

And observant enough to recognize when a person she's been around for a short while does not align with how they've presented themselves so far. This already disproves that Mahiru did not know what she was doing or how it impacted those around her.

Outside of those instances she just flat out says she knows what she's doing is making the other party uncomfortable or causing trouble for them in both This Is How To Be In Love With You and I Love You-

"What do you think? I know it's not the type of question you want to be asked. I can’t help myself because I want to see your cute confused face, I’m sorry." /"My emotions are out of control, that’s inconvenient? I don’t care! Tell me, oh tell me why, won’t you just accept me?"

This is where Mahiru's issues with boundaries come in. It doesn't matter what the other person is feeling as long as Mahiru is having a good time. She made that abundantly clear from the start. So she's without a doubt acting inconsiderately and downright maliciously. The question is how many times and to how many people has she done this. Especially since she said if she couldn't continue what she was doing then she'd might as well die and that being told she was guilty was worse than getting beaten up by Kotoko.

This can either mean that treating others this way was a genuine source of enjoyment to her and she wanted to keep doing it or whatever she could get out of treating others this way was much more rewarding than what she could get not doing so. Because if it was really about love like Mahiru claimed then she should be able to see how the way she was loving others was detrimental to them. That it did kill someone then recognize that compromising and seeing the needs of others is just another form of love.

Love and the way people show it is meant to evolve over time.

Yet, Mahiru didn't want to do that she wanted to keep loving her way. Her first song is literally called This Is How To Be In Love With You. The you being the viewer in this case she is literally telling people how they are meant to be loved and throwing a fit when they don't accept her way of loving them. When in actuality no one gets to decide what type of treatment another person deserves whether they love them or not.

Her mentality is besides the point.

She did murder a guy. Well implied to be a few guys over the span of a few years. Given the discrepancies in her physical appearance within I Love You. I don't think much of her victims because like Mahiru said we only saw her having fun and the guy she shows in I Love You is basically used as a glorified prop.

To again show off how much fun she was having. It's implied that he worked at a convenience store a 7 Eleven to be specifc. He was a college student and he may have been a foreigner who came to Japan for college. But we don't even know if that's true because in all the pictures we see in This Is How To Be In Love With You we never see him.

So Mahiru very well could have been with completely different people in all of those. We're never given much about him in I Love You but in This Is How To Be In Love With You we're shown the bread he buys, his place of work, his home, that he likes running, them go on a date in the park. Then Mahiru cooking him his favorite foods.

We see them implied to be going a lot of places but we only see one person in the shot of any of those and that's at the park when she asked him to go with him over and over. Well we didn't see him in the others because he was holding the camera firstly no.

One of those times Mahiru was just at a family members wedding. So these could very well be photos she took with no one else around up until the park. Then we have to consider these are extractions of mental images and they can grab pictures of her and her outfits from various angles but none of what this guy looks like.

Alright, sure. If it really was this guy all the way through why not just show him. It's weird. Overall he just seems like an average guy who was looking for a relationship. Given their positions in I Love You he seems more like the reserved meek type. Mahiru even says what he was like in I Love You on top of showing us.

He just did not seem like a bad guy. However I interpret I Love You as going over her first love more than her crimes in general. Again given the discrepancies in her appearance within I Love You and This Is How To Be In Love With You.

I tend not to think that much about Mahiru's victim(s) because that's simply just some guy to me. That is just a man. On the other hand Mahiru's magically lengthening hair interests me a lot fucking more. I'm shorter now I'm longer we put all that emphasis on her fashion to get you ready to tell when her physical features have changed even slightly. There were so many angles of her hair so you could go wait a second it's shorter here.

Though I have no doubt that dude was murdered painfully given how Mahiru presents her case I simply don't have enough to work from. Because he's never been that big of the focus.

Kazui

Bro she doesn't love you. You can tell her that her husband is cheating on her but like she's still not gonna fuck you Kazui. You have to move on. Dude sooo fucking down bad he puts himself in a love triangle scenario but switches his role with that of the cheating husband just to feel close to her even if it's only in a lie. Because if enough people believe it then it might as well be true.

She definitely didn't turn me down I am so undeniably worthy of affection-

Meanwhile,

"ONLY IF YOUR HEART WOULD CHANGE BUT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE!"

Regardless of anything else you may here,

"Er, so…… could you listen to what I say without laughing? I……" - Second Trial Teaser Movie

"We’ll laugh together and call each other stupid names- So many things I wish I hadn't known, I'm just a coward." - "Laughing together, side by side, this distance in our relationship is misleading me, is this what happiness is?"

I did not- And I seriously mean,

"Hinako, I love you more than anything." - The Second Trial Character Voice Trailer

Did not,

"I'm so dumb... Why did I have to dream?"

Get turned down! I'm good that did not happen I am okay and not dying inside! Because love is so very very very-

"Love (plus) Destiny = Crap, smash it, shatter it, bye-bye~"

Please ignore the fact that my undercover silhouette image is me on my knees with flowers near my side as though I was just turned down and the petals are shaded out to allude to this harder as well.

There is a fucking reason Do It For Our Love is a Kazui song to me,

"I'm jealous and I can admit it. I'm just so committed to be your love interest and when you're cold I can be cocoa with cinnamon, I can be intimate, distant whatever you're feeling. We're so close to getting whatever we want- A mutual love that's a mutual w. I'm so sick and tired of living on call but if you leave him we could have it all. So, I think!" - "I think it's time you stepped away you know he's not the one and if you can't do it for yourself babe do it for our love."

I'm sorry if a six foot man was trying to pick me up I'd let him but all she did was make him let her down.

I don't know what the fuck she was on.

If someone built like Kazui was coming up to me like we don't even gotta be monogamous we just gotta be- Naw I'd leave my family, I would start a new life, no one would hear from me again and I don't want them to try to hear from me either. You got me fucked up. Like he's built like that inconsistent, dishonest, unreliable as fuck, gives great work out tips and not asking me when I'm gonna be back. Then on top of all of that he fucking can't get over me he is obsessed. Me telling him see you later is like saying goodbye forever to him. To other people those are red flags to me that's a greenlight for friends with benefits.

You got me fucked up I don't know what she was on. Unless she had him in the friends with benefits situation already. Because Kazui straight up says he never cheated doesn't mean she didn't. He admits Yuno is the prisoner most like him and Yuno flat out says he's the most like her without a doubt. So if Hinako was keeping him as a sideman my girl good job you may be dead but you were never stupid.

"This distance in our relationship is misleading me."

It is not misleading me I would have done the same thing can't even blame her. Sorry, sorry that's just my down bad Kazui thoughts I can't let it go unlike him with- *the sniper gets me*.

Okay in all seriousness I think a lot of things could have happened in Kazui's situation. But frankly I think it all boils down to taking advantage of women in some way. Since we haven't seen the woman from the bar who had a face in Half since trial one and implications from Cat I just think he was romantically taking advantage of women. Which can encompass a lot of things but since he's mostly compared to Yuno I think he was just picking up a lot of women to live with them or get something out of them financially.

Which would explain his family seeing him as a disappointment. Also how he's technically fucking jobless and still has housing. Like he admits to not having a job in trial one.

Q.15 What time do you go to sleep and wake up?

Kazui: Since I’m not working I’m able to do whatever I feel like. I just sleep when I feel tired, and I usually wake up in the morning sometime.

Like I'm not working right now I do not have a job. Here's this music video implying I'm a cop here's this answer implying my father wanted me to be a cop. Something that conflicts with what I presented because if I was a cop like my father wanted then why would my family consider me a embarrassment as their first born son,

Q.04 What’s the origin of your name?

Kazui: I’m the first born son. I suppose my father also wanted me to grow up to be a strong man, too.

Q.10 What was your father’s job?

Kazui: He was a policeman. It seems he’d always wanted me to be one too.

Trial one written interrogation,

Q.04 Are your family proud of you?

Kazui: Nope. They probably don’t consider me anything more than an embarrassment.

If I'm an embarrassment and did exactly what my father always wanted me to do then I either fucked up majorly at being a cop or am lying about being a cop. There is no in-between there and literally the trial before this he admits to not having a job. Doesn't change much because he could be jobless due to recently getting fired because of the incident he was involved in but still.

What do I think about Kazui's victims... Well they were very pretty that woman at the bar was gorgeous... And since she had a fully drawn face I'm guessing she's important. Hinako was presented as very picture perfect and innocent which in hindsight is an incredibly reductionist way of framing her but he did say let's keep it simple. So, that's what he did.

She just seemed very straight lace and naïve from what was shown in Cat in contrast to Half where she was portrayed as more leveled and mature. Shown to be comforting him for the most part. What I mean is she was kind of shown as the person Kazui leaned on more so. So right now her portrayal is full of contradictions. Which makes sense because this is Kazui narrating.

But it makes it difficult for me to really imagine her outside of the glorified view he had of her. So, I just go she seems very nice I get why Kazui liked her as much as he's portrayed he did and why this is eating at him. Yet, I also feel like he hated her in a way too like there was animosity there.

Overall from what I've seen she seemed kind.

Amane

Shit, which one?

Because the child has a body count. It's impressive actually. She showcases killing her mother but there's blood on her umbrella before she gets home and those aren't even the clothes she committed her crime in. As we know from the third anniversary art the clothes she committed her crime in are the one's she wore in Magic.

This is also emphasized by the police possibly showing up at her house as she's killing her mom. The only reason they would be able to show up there during a crime in progress would be because it's a series of crimes in progress. In example something occurred at Amane's school she got changed went home did another thing on the way home before getting home because girl go off I guess the other shoe hasn't dropped yet.

Then killed her mom.

Now I think she killed some classmates and other individuals that interfered with her life. So the girl, possibly that other girls dad who told her mom what she was doing, then her mom if not possibly more people than that considering she had a taser. She could have got a lot of people especially in a school where no one is expecting it.

I don't know- Well, I mean I know way too much from Higurashi to not guess it was more than one person at this point. Now it gets difficult because due to being put in a situation reminiscent to the one that traumatized her to begin with she heavily fixates on her mother. So we only get to see her mother's death play out. If she was innocent I have no doubt we would have been in that school at that play.

But since she was Guilty and people were going around acting like her mother we got the mom side. With Haruka trial one we got the dad side you're hopeless you're a disappointment- etc. With his trial two we got the mom side "There, there my good boy." shit. We got that so chances are if she was innocent round one her next trial could have leaned more on her father and her school life.

Since that did not happen well hah eh could've been a blessing in disguise really. Because did we not all see how Guilty some of those people started making themselves look under the pressure of keeping up with the expectation placed on them under the fear of losing that goodwill.

I think her victims may have made fun of her situation or called her strange. Demeaned her in the same ways Es did.

In Caligula Effect Overdose spoilers for that by the way- There's this character called Stork mostly known for being a peeping tom. He is that.

However, on top of that he was raised in an overly religious household with controlled activities. His mom carried the remote to tv on her and would change the channel when naughty scenes came on something as mundane as a kissing scene. His dad was a cop implied to be a bit authoritarian. His mother would routinely keep him home from school when health classes would occur he went into high school thinking babies came from Storks. Then his peers sexually harassed him by showing him porn and introducing him to peeping. Then an implied adult man who he refers to as teacher and showing him the light taught him his peeping ways. That's just his fucking character episodes and it's like okay that's a lot to unpack mm-hm it certainly is I wonder how that was interpreted- Lol shitty character but damn if that Deco song ain't good.

Listening to Love Scope without context be like wow this songs great listening to it with context be like-

"Ah; right now- It's so painful!"

I interpreted all my childhood abuse as character growth and dictated my life choices based upon the words of people who completely took advantage of my ignorance and naivety. Luckily through having people who just don't write me off immediately I will take accountability for my actions and stop doing this thing that has only hurt me but is now a compulsion.

Here is an almost four minute song about how painful my existence is and my desire for any sort of intimacy while being in complete fear of it. I want a transparent relationship and communication but the only way I feel safe is looking from a distance is this an attachment issue- No my peeping teacher warned me of this that sometimes you'll wish for something more but that's just a weird lapse in sanity to be ignored. But why is it when I do this I feel so much pain disgust and general emotions that come with doing something that might be hurting you over and over. Yet it's the only way I can feel much of anything now why-

Don't worry my peeping teacher covered this too. If it feels bad that's because peeping is bad which is what makes it so exciting. Have I mentioned the Caligula Effect Overdose cast is on some shit every character here is wild. Stork is full of complexities- Hey, Gunsli why are you bringing this man up while talking about Amane.

Yeah sorry I was bringing him up to go that's how kids treated him for not knowing shit due to a different upbringing. Um how the fuck would they be treating Amane she doesn't even have a mainstream religion. It's something completely new. She probably was not popular in school. She even states she's used to people saying she's weird and knows her upbringing is abnormal in her second voice drama.

There are so many people in her life that have treated her like Es has treated her. To the extent that Jackalope treats forgiving her like giving her a false idea about not only how Milgram works but the world at large. Because it will always be on her.

I don't think her victims deserved it.

However, I do believe people all too commonly use one's religious beliefs as a reason to persecute them just as often as people use their religious beliefs to persecute others. There's no shortage of people going how can you believe in that without putting much thought into how one comes to believe in that. Kids can be even blunter about that sort of stuff.

Also she was hanging out with a stray cat near garbage I love Amane but that's some friendless behavior. She wasn't even there with other kids- Another kid ratted on her.

Another kid literally went, "Look daddy it's that weirdo from my class." And that girls dad went, "Yes you're right that is the Momose girl I am going to tell her mother about this immediately that's unsanitary and unsafe."

Like a normal fucking guy. That is normal guy behavior.

Certainly it was none of his fucking business but she is playing at a place where people dump their trash and that is mostly obscured from the sight of others. She could've gotten kidnapped. It's not like he fucking knew her mother was gonna beat her within an inch of her life and then kill her cat.

How would he have known or predicted that?

Now, I'm not excusing it. Mainly because Amane leaves her home on her own, takes the bus on her own, goes back and forth from school on her own. So, at that point what she does or doesn't do outside is her business. If this bitch wanted to make sure her kid wasn't sitting in trash and playing with stray animals she should've picked her up from school like a real parent.

At the point a person's kid is in charge of their own travels parents have to accept they're gonna do what they want when not with them.

Again that guy didn't know that but Miss "I only parent when people complain to me" certainly fucking did. Like her mom annoys me. She's the type of bitch that won't parent in the home or outside but best believe will beat your ass for saying or doing something wrong in front of the neighbors. She's the don't make me look bad type of parent.

I don't care if she's raising Amane on her own, or the husband left her and the whole he's out spreading the word thing is fake. Raising a kid by oneself is hard well know what there are millions of single mothers who do it without doing the things done to Amane to their children. She's a victim of the religion as well- No the fuck she's not she's grown. She is grown she does not leave her fucking house we never see them go to a church that bitch is just like this.

We don't see them go to one fucking place of worship her apartment is a tip, her mail is overflowing. The only time she left was to kill the one thing that brought her daughter any inkling of happiness. That is the behavior of a hateful, petty, destructive individual, who wants everyone around them to be just as unhappy as they are.

Amane's story is the equivalent to the fucking plot of the Binding of Isaac if I thought this behavior was a bad way to treat a child there it's still bad here. The kicker Isaac's mom didn't even kill their fucking cat! I don't think about Amane's mother's life or what it was like. Because that woman made an active and repeated choice to make her own life and the lives of anyone else around her miserable.

She was a horrid human being and if Amane wasn't nice enough to care about her life, say she regretted her actions, and saw the value in the life of a person who was trying their damnedest to ruin her own life and never took any of her apologies-

I'll say this I can push my hatred, my deep hatred of this woman's actions to the side and say she was a person. A person whose life had value to those who cared about her regardless of how much she may have hurt those people. Certainly she made mistakes but she ultimately deserved the second chances and mercy that Amane is always preaching about even if that would have been more than she ever gave to those around her.

Because that's the lesson I'm choosing to take from Amane's narrative one of sticking to one's own values and rules even when it would be so much easier to break them because the lives of others matter. Yeah, all those things about how it's hard to raise a kid on one's own, how she had religious trauma and issues as well, the stressors she could have had are all valid and fair things to interrogate. Yet, from what we've seen I don't think Amane's mother was someone who was willing to seek help be it for her own sake or the sake of those around her.

People cannot be reduced to just the issues they're facing.

However, they are what they choose to do while going through said issues. She choose to take out her frustrations on her child and create/interpret the rules in a way that rationalized that choice. Because she had no other way to take out those frustrations.

Not too dissimilar to what Amane is doing now.

It may not seem fair or right but sometimes people have to recognize that others will just be their worst actions or choices. Because sometimes their worst actions or choices are the only impact they leave on a person.

Mikoto

Coworkers am I right? No but seriously all his victims could have either been coworkers or people he knew from college. I don't think they were random strangers. However, they were most definitely people putting a lot of stress on him and close by.

He doesn't say much about them but he seems to get burnt out from socializing quickly. Even though he works to be sociable. After being voted innocent this round he was a lot more blunt and a bit standoffish. Like he still insisted that Kazui stay away from him because he didn't know what he would do.

Yet, his teaser line implies the other has disappeared again. So, he really meant no don't bother me right now because I really don't know what I'm about to do. There's a different ask I'm go into this further on. So let's stick to the victims.

Probably just some regular guys if we're not counting the children we hear in double which I'm not because I'm starting to think that was just a work event taken out of context. Because it's the middle of the damn day time we hear children laughing and Mikoto knows a suspicious amount about Holiday's in Japan so they may do specific advertising campaigns and events over the holidays.

Or he just learned a lot about them in college. I do think someone may have plagiarized his work or may have thrown him under the bus on a team assignment. I think he may have been socially isolated in his work space to an extent and also used to do more than what his job entailed.

The guy we see killed in MeMe looks around his age or younger so maybe a new hire. Given the fourth anniversary art he was at the victims funeral like everyone else was. So it couldn't have been a completely unrelated individual. He's also stated to have multiple victims so it seems like it must have been personal.

Probably a lot of work related harassment. Then there's the idea that he was being stalked o top of that. Which @apatchworkstar and I have discussed a few times. A lot of things could have lead to this but I do doubt they were just random people passing by. Like I think they were people he knew in some way even if they weren't extremely close.

Every other prisoner has been related to their victims in some way so he would be the odd one out if they were all just strangers.

Kotoko

I think she attacked everyone on that board of hers but don't know how many she killed.

Other than the one guy who was implied to be abducting people (that case is under scrutiny now) everyone else was just doing petty crimes. I did believe that she may have had a prior relationships with the guy who she caught abducting that girl which is why outside of the fact the girl recanted her testimony, and the autopsy report what she said was under scrutiny to begin with.

Um there's also the little girl who seemed like she really looked up to Kotoko. A person who has stated on numerous occasions she doesn't hold back on children. But outside of that I think more about Kotoko's mentality than her victims. So I don't have many thoughts on them. Outside of the child abductor which I have doubts about but until further information presents itself I'm willing to say he was the guy solely responsible for those abductions. Despite the discrepancies that make it appear like Kotoko was more involved in that than she's letting on.

The other people were petty criminals that probably didn't deserve to get the crap beaten out of them. Like one of the incidents noted is like bike theft. So... Ahn, that's where the a crime is a crime mindset starts to fall apart. I don't know a good bit of the things mentioned outside the abductions did not need her attention but okay it's her life.

I don't know about the child abductor but I feel like he may have known Kotoko before that instance. Outside of feeling like they knew each other before that I don't really think much of him. The guy who disguised himself as a banker I don't really care much about at all. Though I do think Kotoko may kind of view Kazui similarly to that guy when it comes to misleading or misdirecting others. Pretending to be one thing while being another.

Well yeah I hope this is an adequate answer. I don't know if it is I trailed off a lot. But yeah that's all I got for the time being.

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