#it's TERFs and transmisogynists

[anastacialy]

i do not know how to explain to people that "transmisogyny" is the specific transphobia that trans women + transfems face (often but not exclusively at the hands of cis people), and "transandrophobia" is the specific transphobia that trans men + mascs face (often but not exclusively at the hands of cis people), and that they all come together under the umbrella of "transphobia." these are not opposing concepts nor are they mutually exclusive, to believe in one does not mean non-belief in the other. is there a simpler way of phrasing this. can i be clearer.

[alyrch99]

I just want to say that if you devote your time, money, attention, and the resources of your social media platform to censoring and attacking trans women during an ongoing massive cultural reactionary movement with us in its crosshairs, not only are you part of the problem, but you are a heartless piece of shit to such a degree that you should not be able to look yourself in the eyes.

You are dragging a woman's protections away from her as an ongoing campaign works to tear her down. She said literally hours ago that she was posting about this to try and protect herself and her name from the false and highly politicized allegations against her, so you respond by having a hissy fit that people are asking what happened and replying by snap deleting all of her accounts??? Are you 6 years old? Have you no conception of right or wrong???

[fite-club]

"everyone should boycott shinigami eyes, the tool developed to identify TERF-like posts, for identifying TERF-like language in my posts" yes. the problem is definitely with the program and not you. toootally transphobic for this extension meant to warn people about transmisogyny to not care at all about the word "theyfab" (a term used to describe transmisogynistic enbies). it's definitely the fault of shinigami eyes and not your rotten "radically-inclusive" ideology

[arscorpii]

utena and anthy were the only characters in the series shown to be in a coffin. the first time we saw both characters in the coffin was in episode 9 (shots above), with the flashback to utena's story and anthy being trapped in a coffin in the duelling arena.

i was looking at the shots of anthy in the coffin above; some people here had pointed out before that the characters in the coffin were in a fetal position, not in the typical manner that a deceased person would be positioned in a coffin/casket (supine with hands clasped together over the middle of the chest, and legs are positioned straight and close together). i pondered a little about the shots and the positioning. this may be a (highly?) sparse correlation, but the fetal positions of utena and anthy here reminded me specifically of a human fetus in the breech presentation.

(i have read analyses/commentaries about how being in the coffin correlated to touga's speech about breaking the world's shell with the student council members as the chicks and the world as an egg. i agree with the points. the ideas i present here are just humble suggestions based on what i know; an additional perspective. i understand all of this could be entirely wrong.)

(i never intend to perpetuate or enforce cisheteronormativity or cissexism or terf or transmisogynistic rhetorics/beliefs in this discussion. this is just a revision of medical knowledge based on what is commonly taught and practiced. i tried my best to word this writeup properly. it could be very esoteric, but i tried writing everything as simple as i could.)

both types of coffins shown above loosely reminded me of the structure of a uterus and cervix without the attached structures of the fallopian tubes and ovaries (diagrams for clarity).

the image on the left shows fetal presentations (referring to the part of the fetus that enters the pelvis first). breech presentation occurs when the baby’s buttocks lie over the maternal pelvis. the image on the right shows three types of breech presentations (transverse lie is not a breech presentation). breech presentation can lead to complications during labour. in this case, caesarean section, or c-section, is usually performed.

these are the types of uterine incisions used in a caesarean section. lower segment incision is the most common incision nowadays. however, caesarean section was historically performed with a vertical incision (classical incision). commonly, after an incision is made all the way into the amniotic sac, the baby is pulled out.

all of this information in a way reminds me of utena and anthy; after losing her parents, utena decided to stay in a coffin and gave up on living. touga opened her coffin, but seeing and learning of anthy's suffering convinced utena to leave it and keep on living, in order to save her one day. with regard to anthy, after utena passed the rose gate in episode 39, she strained with all her might to open anthy's coffin in order to reach her and help her escape it. in both circumstances, both utena and anthy were in a coffin and unable to leave it by themselves. they required a little push, some help to leave. to me, these details were reminiscent of a baby being delivered. during normal labour, contractions of the uterine muscle and maternal efforts (pushing) are two vital factors for the baby to be delivered while during a caesarean section, the surgeons pull the baby out. in both cases, the baby requires help to be born. i contemplated the view of a chick cracking its shell to be born; chicks have to crack their own shells without any external help. this is also true for all other animals that are born in nature, both via eggs and via delivery. the fact that utena opened anthy's coffin and reached out to her to get her out in episode 39 made me consider the idea of a human fetus being born via caesarean section.

to put it simply, in utena's case, touga made the incision (opened the coffin) but anthy pulled her out of the womb (helped her to leave the coffin) while in anthy's case, utena made the incision (pried open the coffin) and tried pulling her out of the womb (reached out to anthy in the coffin).

these shots are intriguing because while the cracks in the walls shaped like rose petals behind the coffin could be very much likened to veins on flower petals, they also somewhat reminded me of blood vessels surrounding a uterus (diagrams for clarity). the red colour also added to the visual resemblance of the organ and the blood vessels. i see the coffin as a visual representation of the uterus and its lid's opening was akin to a classical incision, because utena didn't open it all the way through, only a small opening (diagrams below for clarity).

anthy was found in the coffin in the fetal position without clothes which could signify anthy being in her truest form. (amniotic sac, a sac that holds a fetus in the uterus throughout pregnancy, contains clear to pale yellow amniotic fluid. the colour of the light reminded me of the fluid.)

utena reached her hand out to anthy resolutely despite anthy urging her to leave. eventually, anthy reached out to her and grasped her hand. alas, they couldn't hold onto each other and anthy slipped from utena's hold. i don't interpret this scene to be similar to a stillbirth/fetal death. i think it's more toward utena and anthy respectively confronting their own ideals and beliefs, which leads to them finally being able to leave ohtori on their own terms, akin to a rebirth.

watching through adolescence of utena, the imageries related to birth seemed more prominent to me. a standout visual would be this version of utena car, which transformed right before anthy entered the underside of the castle mobile. it was quite similar to the structure of a typical uterus.

as anthy escaped the underside of the castle mobile, she was faced with compressing tracks from both her right and left. this pair of tracks reminds me of the birth canal. Normally, labour involves uterine contractions, and cervix effacement and dilatation. from what i know, there aren't any major processes that occur in the birth canal such as described to occur in the uterus and cervix during labour.

the castle mobile's structure did not resemble a uterus. nevertheless, if the fallopian tubes and ovaries are disregarded, the castle mobile could roughly be likened to the structures of uterus and cervix.

i watched how anthy struggled through the compression and came out of the structure head-first with utena, and i was reminded of a normal delivery, which does not necessitate surgery but the two aforementioned factors above, as well as favourable characteristics of the fetus itself in terms of its size, presentation, and position. anthy's position of leaning head-first towards akio as she drove through the pair of tracks and emerging in the same pose with utena was quite a clear parallel to the typical cephalic/vertex presentation of fetus. to be even more specific (and esoteric), it reminded me of the face presentation, which is considered a malpresentation similar to the breech presentation (breech is the most common malpresentation). normal birth is still possible for a face presentation, but the progress in labour may be slow.

i thought about the fetal positions of utena and anthy in respective coffins. i wondered if, within the deepest parts of their hearts, they longed to be free from their coffins. baby utena said that she had given up on living, yet i pondered if she was yearning for a great enough reason/purpose/aim to rise from her hopelessness. anthy was utterly despondent in episode 39, yet i mulled over whether she sought freedom from her suffering; both may have held onto hope without realising.

addendum: @rei-does-stuff pointed out how the first duel song in adolescence of utena, "revive! infinite history of the (middle ages)" could be tied in with the ending of rgu with regard to anthy and utena being reborn by leaving ohtori.

also, ideal births (not premature birth or stillbirth) usually occur within 39 to 40 weeks. these values remind me of rgu, which has 39 episodes overall and a movie.

[gremlingirlsmell]

iunno calling transfems "transvestigators" for doing egg jokes and harmless speculating about dead celebrities in search of representation that is already so rare, is a new low. they love to paint us as terfs, a hate group specifically dedicated to eradicate us, not just for standing up for ourselves and speaking up about transmisogyny. no, now they're doing it even if we seek solidarity and representation.

[maxellminidisc]

Once again, please stop reblogging from lesbian-archives. They have tags for rad feminism, "gynocentricism", "womb envy", antiprostitution, and separatists tags along with other similar terminology in terf and swerf communities on their blog. It's literally within the most used tags when you go to search. Plus they used to reblog from terfs often enough and use said tags until they decided to be a lil more cryptic I guess....

[onlyfangz]

everytime i see some dumbfuck transgender terminally online discourse im reminded that cisgender people dont have to deal with this shit and i age 10 years.

[dykesynthezoid]

It’s crazy how much people will tell on themselves by being openly transmisogynistic in trying to “gotcha” completely mundane feminist/sapphic shit with “idk this seems kinda terfy to me :/”

There’s that vintage lesbian sex party invite going around and someone is actually claiming the fact that is specifies “women only” means it’s terfy. Can we fucking… can we… like. How can you people not go two minutes without implying you think trans women are men. It’s crazy. Sorry but we have no idea, actually, how inclusive or exclusive this random lesbian orgy from the 70s was, and just saying it’s “women only” doesn’t indicate anything other than it’s, y’know, a lesbian sex party.

[cruelsister-moved2]

feels like a lot of you didn’t see the study which found that lesbians are the most likely of the whole LGBT+ community to support trans people because i still keep seeing takes like “not ALL lesbians are terfs, just because a lot are 🥰” or “most lesbians aren’t terfs, but most terfs are lesbians, so it’s fine to hold lesbians to extra scrutiny 😍” or casual, unsupported claims that “transphobia is a big[ger] issue in the lesbian community” by people who actually think they’re doing lesbian positivity and it’s INSANE because you’re wrong! and this leads to a significant proportion of lesbians actually delaying coming out because they’re afraid of being assumed to be transphobes, meanwhile transphobia among bi people and gay men (and transmisogyny among tme trans people) often goes completely unchecked. 

[multi-lefaiye]

haha wow!! what a good post about misogyny and transphobia!! you're not about to recreate bioessentialism and slap a trans-friendly coat of paint on it though, right??? proving you have not actually deconstructed those ideas in your brain and still believe radfem-style gender essentialism... right??

[struck-by-the-rain]

terves love to fearmonger and throw hissy fits about "vulnerable autistic gay girls being manipulated into thinking they're trans/non-binary" and like... ok I'm sorry I've spent so many years growing up being treated as some weird, freaky little alien creature rather than as girl/woman, why are you mad that I'm embracing that label and being proud of it as who I am? why are you clutching your pearls so furiously about me walking away from a gender I never felt welcome or comfortable in, partially because of people like you? as much as you claim to be my "sister" or have good intentions for me I guarantee you were one of the kids who would have been treating me like a weird pet on the school playground, the way you talk down to autistic trans people like myself is one and the same as the singsong voice kids would use when they mockingly called me "their best friend!!!". you just hate autistic people having a backbone and autonomy and not having any authority over the weird kid at school anymore

[bauliya]

the website that routinely bullies trans women to penury is so anti-TERF it's shitting on rape victims. wow.

[pleasuresoftheharbor]

anytime i step outside my mutual circle i'm always shocked by how prevalent the #Notallmen misandry truther attitudes are on here like you people are so doomed...

[nervoustragedyluminary]

"all people who talk about transandrophobia are white " Zionists" ... Oh also all the Black trans men who talk about it are sexual predators if they exist which they don't because everyone who talks about transandrophobia is white "

Do some of you hear yourselves?

Like ive seen contradicting accusations in the notes one person says "they sexualise everything" the next is "they're prudes who hate sex positivity " like not to mention the infantalisation and "stolen trans valor" & "you're not the sexuality you say you are actually" like how is this criticising misogyny and transmisogyny?

Also just the sheer hatred and erasure of intersex and multi gender people like geez

Like what was actually said because all of the notes aren't talking about that they're just making up a caricature of a "theyfab trender who isn't really as trans as real trans people but are invading lesbian spaces to force real lesbians to fuck men" to be mad at rather than "this specific thing they said was misogynistic /lesbiphobic"

Instead it's all just like "no you have to detransition to reclaim misogynistic slurs that have been used against you or to be a lesbian otherwise you hate women" or "trans men must be binary & only use binary terms and" male terms" or else they're fakers" like what? In the 70s radfem fried fuck is going on?

Like you know that nonbinary people exist right?

That trans butches (of all agabs) exist right?

That intersex people who might use language that seems "contradictory" at first exist right? Like idk if someone is being misogynistic surely there's misogyny to point to rather than claiming that their identity/existence itself is misogynistic?

[crystalistrappedintheinternet]

adding tme to my bio bc while on one hand announcing my birth sex makes me dysphoric on the other hand. some of you are misogynists

[gremlingirlsmell]

i hope all the baby transfems who are in friend groups and communities full of tme ppl who lambast them 24/7 with nonsense like saying speaking up against transmisogyny is dividing the community and "terf shit" get out and find better community.