#it’s also about obi wan ahsoka anakin in clone wars but i havent actually watched it so that’s on hold for now

[virgoevenus]

stories placed before the event where everything went wrong…. you are so dear to me

[justalitlecreacher]

All the ways Darth Vader may have been prevented (a likely incomplete and out of order list because I haven’t seen all of Clone Wars or Revenge of the Sith)

(one of these things alone may not have prevented Anakin’s fall but I’m reasonably sure that at least some of them combined would)

TL;DR; the Jedi Coucil consitantly treated Anakin like they didn’t care about him or his mental or emotional well-being, and I fully believe that if they hadn’t done that they may have been able to prevent Anakin’s fall to the dark side

  Obi-Wan listening to Anakin about his dreams/visions of his mother’s death I stead of just telling him to stop having them (I know that Ahsoka didn’t go to Obi-Wan or Anakin with her own visions so she obviously got different responses but notice how her visions literally saved Padmé’s life?)

   Not constantly treating Anakin like his feelings were wrong and he just shouldn’t have them; I understand that attachments aren’t the Jedi way but Anakin has them and telling him to stop having them is wildly unhelpful

   I havent actually gotten around to watching this arc becasue i saw the second episode’s description and went “thats fucked up” and didnt watch it but I’ve read a description and MAYBE just maybe it was not a super good idea to have Anakin Skywalker, former slave, pose as a slave owner? Literally what the fuck Jedi Council (I know they couldn't have foreseen Anakin being found out and then enslaved but seriously what the fuck they had to have known that was a risk right?)

   Now this one might be a stretch but i think that maybe not faking the death of Anakin’s father figure/mentor who practically raised him from the age of 9 and then just not telling Anakin that it was fake until Anakin figured out for himself that Obi-Wan was alive could have gone a long way in not having a Darth Vader on our hands. They really went through all this and saw nothing wrong with it; Obi-Wan really thought that manipulating and exploiting Anakin’s emotions like this was in any way ok. On top of that i honestly do not understand why they even needed Obi-Wan to fake his death and go undercover anyway; none of the information he gathered looked to be vital to the mission. (also i know Obi-Wan doesnt know about what Anakin did on Tatooine but i sure did i was genuinelly worried that Anakin was going to unalive Obi-Wan.) Really all this arc did was cement the fact that the Jedi Council has no problem with using Anakin and his emotions no matter how much it may hurt him (and this isnt even touching on how this plan may have affected everyone else they didnt tell). It also alienated Anakin from the Jedis even further by proving to him that they dont tell him everything if they decide he doesnt need to know. (I honestly think this arc was instrumental in creating Darth Vader; it definitely wasnt this alone but this was a big part in it)

This one is genuinely speculation because they really don’t show Anakin’s training or what was involved in that(not as far as I’m aware anyway but if they do please tell me I’d genuinely love to see it) but I feel like more couldve been done about the fear that Yoda claimed to sense in Anakin when they first met. Going off what I’ve seen in the movies and The Clone Wars so far most of the reactions Anakin gets to the crime of having feelings/attachments boils down to “stop doing that” with little to no advice on how to actually stop doing that or at least do that in a way that doesn’t end in his emotions overwhelming him all at once and leading him to do things he regrets

(More speculation) from my POV it really looks like the council encouraged Anakin to push his emotions down and ignore them rather than work through them. This may have been unintentional, but someone should have made sure that Anakin knew the point wasn’t to not have the feelings at all but to learn how to work through them and not let them consume him or cloud his judgement. This misunderstanding likely led to Anakin ignoring his feelings until they became too much and overwhelmed him, leading to him making horrible decisions/ doing genuinely terrible things in fits of rage (see Tatooine)

In the end I know that Anakin is his own person who made his own choice, but holy shit the Council really did not help him.

[cogentranting]

I saw the post about why you don't like Ahsoka. One of the reasons was the outfit, which yes her first outfit is hideous, but not all Jedi wear robes. Ayla secura doesn't wear robes. While wearing robes wear common some Jedi would instead wear customised garments to represent,in sorts, of whee they came from. Also you might need to watch last season 3 to like ahsoka. She actually fits into the story quite well

she could only fight Darth Vader for a bit. But he was going to kill her. As for general grevious she kinda just ran for a bit I could be wrong I havent watch it in ages and can't be bothered. But I think she was purposely made to be annoying at the start and as the series goes on she grows up Last thing she was assigned to Anakin ti try and teach him to let go. You are entitled to your opinion on her hating I just wanted to try and explain some things. I dont expect this to get you to like her now 

First of all thanks for the really kind respectful tone. I appreciate that. 

So here’s the thing. I made that post about three years ago and probably haven’t watched the show in a decade. And, like I said, in that time I haven’t touched the show so it’s not exactly that my position on Ahsoka has changed but it’s at least softened. With the new season I’ve seen a lot of people posting about the show and loving it and the characters and I love Anakin and Obi Wan and my interest is piqued. And Ahsoka is supposed to be in season 2 of the Mandalorian and I want to be able to appreciate that. (and I’ve fallen in love with Matt Lanter and want to support him plus he named his dog Ahsoka which is adorable)

So I guess I’ve reached the point where... I want to like Ahsoka. And honestly some of your points do help-- about fighting Vader and Greivous, and about her growing up and changing.  And I’ve been interested in going back and giving Clone Wars as a whole another try, especially since I’ve heard such good things about the final season and overlap with Revenge of the Sith. 

I don’t know. I guess if/when I revisit it, I’ll let you know whether watching as an adult instead of as a junior higher makes a difference.