#it also just makes sense to me bc flint seems to be the only person graham is vulnerable around ..
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need more firesetter content of graham being horribly pathetically downbad for flint
#toontown#toontown corporate clash#ttcc#graham payser#graham ness payser#toontown pacesetter#flint bonpyre#toontown firestarter#firesetter#its about the cocky self absorbed asshole being absolutely pathetic around their S/O#do u understand .#tbh i think theyre both cringefail and downbad for each other#but its even funnier with graham bc he ACTS like hot shit .#it also just makes sense to me bc flint seems to be the only person graham is vulnerable around ..#like in MOTM where hes having a meltdown and he vents to flint abt it#or in his disciplinary records where it mentions him āslacking offā when he was actually just burnt out .#and he went to a building in the brrrgh which is flint's district#so it could be assumed he went to see flint bc he was burnt out and needed some support ..#idk does this make sense im half awake
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OK random FROSTBITE THE BAT (CHARACTER) TOONTOWN RAMBLES
thinking abt frost and their development with them hiding their identity as a cog - it's always been basically a big joke, after all this lore and 'au' with them isn't very serious and is very jokes (though some of the more personal or detailed things mean a lot to me, especially the allan/cathal/frost/spam/hr/freakson goofy family dynamic)
but I just think it's so funny how they went from careless but still careful to realizing nobody cares as a case of convenient plot armor. like oh no wait we can't do that the toons will know we're cogs. We (spam + frost) gotta be careful though the cogs don't know we're toons. we're in this middle ground where we're FUCKED OVER
but they find toons and cogs they love who love them back and frost just had their whole careless development and they just. Don't care now like all the oil stains and only ever talking to cogs that they were worried about in the past it seems to be a joke to them too. as long as like the resistance doesn't know, they're fine
And if they were to be sorta harassed away from presenting as toons and being around toons they have a massive safety net with the cogs. canonically this would never make sense but it's a self insert au for myself and my friend group, so like whatever we want to happen can happen it's goofy it's cheesy it's nice it's very seperate from canon but it's FUN like I'm aware and like. they barely do shit thats like bad bad theyre just silly goofy frost max bites you then does a prank they dont do evile. they dont even got normal job)
Plus frost especially doesn't have to worry about cogs seeing them as a toon and getting attacked either this fucking thing is a menace with maybe a slightly oversized ego even if they get fucked up in a battle they're probably gonna pretend it didn't happen (while everyone else laughs) boy they scare any flunky with those teeth
like it's very unrealistic but it's so goofy and fun just watching this just. goofy loud motherfucker do whatever they want and do pranks and be a menace. it's fun to just have a character to mess with around non seriously but goooood the more private dynamic stuff is so good I mention it in doodles
them mirroring allan with showing off son everywhere and being very proud of him. their dynamic with spam of kinda being the lead sibling getting into trouble and being loud with empty threats with spam just being like 'uh huh yeah' about it because frost wouldn't do it. frost is a very fail character but in a swag way. their whole 'this weird fucking thing that perplexes me I need to know more about them now we got something fruity going on that isn't ever disclosed because it's entertaining on stage but also frost never says shit' with hr (they're the Fucking Thing), them being able to keep cathal company in some times lifting his mood and motivation up whenever he's too dismotivated or. like just depressed for stuff. more reason to do things when you got goofy siblings to do things with. Especially frost being the opposite energy like they have energy levels equal to graham like those two constantly babble!!
Another dynamic!! The rivalry with Graham but like. there's still some slight care bc mole pace flint is canon here. That's their boss and the guy dating their clubs leader and one of their closest friends also like. but also they will be tryna fight each other in small goofy ways and try to one up each other like ššš the girls r fighting. OK see u next week same time for me beat you up!!!!!
It's all so goofy but I LOVE IT I LOVE MY SILLY GUYS I LOAVE TOONTOWM EVEN IF ITS MY OWN PERCIEVED SELF INSERT VERSION OF MYSELF. MY TOONTOWN FRIENDS AND REAL FRIENDS ARE ALL IN IT!! WE'RE ALL HERE!! AND MY GOOFY BAT IS IN THE CENTER OF IT ALL!!
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Miranda and Thomas for the character ask meme! (Am I predictable? Maybe. Do I care? I do not.)
Okay I skipped to this one because WHOOOOOOOO BOY DO I HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT THESE TWO LMAO. Also please continue to be predictable you know me you know my FEELINGS. Uh. As a warning this is. Long. Like it was 3k at last count. Please...please bear with me.
How I feel about this character
Miranda:
Honestly my growing feeling is that I wanted such a different arc for her. She gets used for Flintās progression(not even necessarily by Flint, but by the writing of their characters) she gets shit on by the world, she gets her world taken away, and then when she finally tries to start taking the things she wants from it back, she is killed.Ā
I both love, and growingly ... hate is not the word. I hate her character arc. I love my girl, who is smart, and funny, and sure of herself, who knows what she wants, knows how to get it, and in a world dominated by men isnāt afraid to cross them when it needs to happen. Who saw her world fall apart and saw the man responsible and didnāt shy away from a course of action she knew would lead to his death. Who was called a witch and shunned and had rocks thrown at her and somehow managed to build anything from that, with Flint only there sometimes and even when he was there, still angry and lost over a past that she is trying to move on from.Ā
God I just. my thoughts on Miranda are ever evolving and ever changing. I love her, and honestly I canāt even blame her for betraying James because their interests were SO at odds with each other that it was inevitable.Ā
Thomas:
Okay there are literally not enough words to explain how much I love Thomas Hamilton. I may actually love him more than James McGraw. Proportionally to how much information we are given on him I certainly do. Iāve written more meta on him(and my longest fic to date) than any other character.Ā
Thomas Hamilton is so important.Ā WHY is Thomas Hamilton important?Ā
Because he recognizes that everyone is entitled to belonging, to not being shunned for who they are. Because he believes in love, and the goodness of things, because while this is true he is not naive about who he is or what London is - nor does he shy away from hard truths. Because he is angry about injustice, because he refuses to capitulate to societal norms even when the right path is easier. I love him a lot because of the fact that the first thing he does when he sees James after ten years is to check in with him emotionally.Ā
I love him so so so much because heās cheeky and intellectual but uses that intellect for the best better he knows how to. Because when heās shown heās wrong he changes course because he knows that pride is a useless emotion that stymies us in connecting with other people in the ways we are meant to connect. Because he knows that shame and trying to hide who you are, those are the things that keep us apart. He knows that knowing someone and making yourself known is the truest form of connection.Ā Ā
I love him because of the growth we see him go through - Thomas Hamilton has more character growth in 15 minutes than some characters have the entire show. And it is because all of these things are true: because he actively seeks to better himself, and does not shy away from his own flaws and moral failings. He is a radical because he truly believes that a better world is possible, and that love and forgiveness and understanding WHY someone is the way they are, are the paths to that better world. and I just. really love him for it. Okay?
Thomas Hamilton Stan First, Human Being Second.
All the people I ship romantically with this character
Miranda:
Thomas, James, Peter Asheās wife
So Iām gonna kind of budge into my Thomas answer with Miranda, but I have a LOT of thoughts on her lmao.
So with James and Thomas, I do believe that she was romantically and sexually involved with both of them, at least to some degree. I donāt really have a strong opinion on how much, because that honestly changes with the story thatās being told, where in there relationship they are, etc, but I do believe they were a true triad in every sense of the word. Like Jack and Anne, I think sex particularly between Thomas and Miranda was inconsequential to their love of each other, and their romantic compatibility. Particularly because I view both of them as having other sexual partners, itās just not important to me to define that part of their relationship.Ā
With James, itās different but with some of the same machinations. Personally, I donāt think Miranda and James work as a solitary couple. They need Thomas as the fulcrum to function, and I think while this is exacerbated by Thomasā death, it would have been true regardless. James and Miranda are very different people in a way that leads to a lot of conflict if theyāre put directly to each other.Ā
Miranda is an individualist, she thrives on having things of her own - her garden, her relationships with the Puritans, her social life in London, her extramarital affairs - Miranda to me is the definition of an independent woman, but not in the way that makes her incapable of love or romance. Just that she puts herself before her romantic attachments. James is the very opposite - the people who are important to him are all important, and I think Miranda is a bit stifled by that, especially when trying to fill the hole left by Thomas. James needs people - he needs partners and people to be dependent on and intimate with and attached to. Itās what makes him work so well with Thomas, but with Miranda itās a source of tension. And so,Ā while I do still ship them in Nassau, I tend to view them as very dysfunctional, lost, still loving towards each other but having a difficult time showing that in ways the other can understand. (James sees everything he is trying to build as a sign of his love, Miranda sees asking for the pardon as a symbol of hers.)
Okay and hereās my galaxy brain, off the walls take that Iām subjecting anyone to who will listen:
My crack ship that I will sail into that good night is Miranda and Peterās wife, because I like to headcanon that Miranda is trans and Abigail is actually her daughter but they never told Peter bc like LMAO why would they and also Abigail looks enough like her mom and sort of like Peter that it never came up -esp since her mom was never unfaithful and just always hanging out with her galpal Miranda.Ā
(This also neatly solves the āIs Miranda barrenā question about why she and Thomas never have any kids bc the barren woman trope is one i HATE WITH A PASSION lmao.)Ā
Anyway so Miranda and Peterās wife are A Thing but like, Miranda knows what London is and sheās breaking enough rules being trans, presenting as female, and being in love with a woman, so she marries Thomas when Peter and his wife(who Iāve taken after Meg in calling Kitty) marry, but Thomas is totally cool with it and heās like āthis is actually super convenient so have at it.āĀ
(I LOVE this scene because it hints at Miranda having had this struggle before - of having to learn the difference between a little danger and mortal danger and having to potentially give up things in order to survive in a way that seems more serious that just a woman avoiding a marital scandal.)
So anyway this is also like, why sheās so desperate to return to London society because itās so much easier to pass when there are Rules yaknow?Ā
But then they find Abigail, and Kitty is presumably dead, and she finds out Peter betrayed them as well and well she just MCFREAKIN LOSES IT.
Anyway this is my sandbox youāre all welcome to play in it. Enjoy.
Thomas:Ā
Miranda, James!
So yeah Iāve already talked about how I see Miranda and Thomas so letās move on to the fucking main event, Thomas and James.Ā
THOMAS AND JAMES.
Do you have an hour to talk about my two perfect boys, Thomas Hamilton and James McGraw?
Anyway so like obviously I ship Thomas and James together and to me the best thing about their relationship is that they do compliment each otherās needs so well??? Like, Thomas, who has probably never had someone really stand up and defend him, he has people talking behind his back, even Peter and Miranda indulge him more than they should.
And then thereās James whoās like āBRO, MY GOOD LORD, this is MADNESSā and FIGHTS him and MAKES him explain his case and MAKES him change his mind and see the reality in things, and doubts him and openly is like āMy Lord I have grave doubts about whether or not something like this isnāt jsut straight up stupid.ā
And Thomas is just so CHUFFED becauseĀ
1) HELLO have you seen Lieutenant James McGraw andĀ
2) Lieutenant James McGraw isnāt afraid to tell him heās being an absolute right piss pot.Ā
And THEN his whole world view starts changing because of this man, and THEN he finds out that James??? Defended Miranda???? and heās like āoh no <3ā and he starts actually really trusting and valuing Jamesā opinion and THEN JAMES STANDS UP FOR HIM AGAINST HIS FATHER and Thomas is like āwell sign me up for the next warā and they learn and grow and TRUST one another so much.
Ans on the other end thereās James, who wants so badly to BELONG to something, who has probably always been both too smart and not well bred enough, and then he meets Thomas, who doesnāt give a shit about his birth, who recognizes his talent, who LISTENS when James speaks. And not only that but heās the most honest person James has probably ever met? And he CARES. Really, actually CARES about how his actions and the actions of his family and England as a whole affect those who are under their control. And he argues, and fights, but James learns, and heās accepted into the Hamiltonās home as if heās always been there. And heās fooling around with Miranda and just gay up FALLING for Thomas and every time he thinks heās fucked up Thomas is??? Pleased???? And then Thomas suggests possibly the DUMBEST thing James has EVER heard come out of his mouth.Ā
Pardons?? For ALL of the Pirates???
Thomas.
Thommy.
T-Dot-Ham.
But Thomas is like THEYāRE MEN. THEY DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE. THEYāVE BEEN FAILED BY US AND ITāS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE THAT WRONG RIGHTED. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF THEYāRE TRAITORS TO THE CROWN - THE CROWN CAN FORGIVE THEM.Ā
And I think this is the moment that something really snaps into place for James, because heās lived his life knowing his preferences arenāt accepted, that he is technically betraying his crown and country simply for being, and here is Thomas - and I do imagine James knows Thomas fucks men because as iāve said before thereās no real reason for Thomas to be hiding it?Ā
SO ANYWAY heās having a small breakdown during dinner while Thomas is arguing with his father and Alfred Hamilton is being a RIGHT CLASS GRADE A MOTHER FUCKING FORK DISASTER. And James just. He snaps. He gingermcfucking snaps because THOMAS. THOMAS believes in forgiveness and he BELONGS in this house with these peopleĀ
Because in this house, with these people, is where he belongs, and thereās no way heās gonna let Alfred Hamilton talk to HIS FAMILY like that lmao.Ā
someone should be willing to defend it.
So anyway then they smooch and then they fall even MORE in love because Thomas IS where James belongs and someone is standing up forThomas in a way HEāS never had before. And then. God then everything falls apart but in the end they do survive, they both survive, and at the end of all things, they find each other again and just...listen iāve written so much about the finale lmao. but this truly sums it up
My non-romantic OTP for this character
Miranda:
Honestly I always wanted to see Max and Miranda interact, or Miranda and Hal. Like can you imagine, more than anything else, Hal and Miranda teaming up to absolutely destroy James Mc-fucking-Graw?Ā
Iconique.Ā
And Max and Miranda I just feel like would at first have SUCH hostility towards each other, but I feel like they could bond over living in the shadows, and what you sacrifice to do that.
Thomas:
ANNE MC-FUCKING-BONNY
I just really get the feeling that Thomas and Anne would be absolute besties and would get along like a fucking house on fire. And maybe actually set the house on fire. Thomas is SO open and Anne is so closed off and you would never think it would work but it does for some reason and they just. Are besties. End of.
I also think he and Madi would have a really interesting and fun relationship with Thomas once they got to know each other. They are extremely similar characters in their core ideologies and feelings about the people they view as their kin. I think they would definitely butt heads over a lot of things but I think they would also both understand that to make an omlette you have to break a few very hard skulls.Ā
They both try to understand where others are coming from, and that core curiosity is I think what would be so fun to explore with them.Ā
My unpopular opinion about this character
Miranda:
Miranda is Silverās true parallel in the series and thereās not really anything anyone can do to change my mind I have proof. Theyāre literally the exact same character except her anger gets her killed because sheās a woman.
(ME? BITTER? Like milkweed.)
But even beyond that, like...listen there is a whole list of parallels in things they do, how they think, how they act when endangered or when put to a choice, who they chose, how they choose...
My unpopular opinion I suppose is that Miranda never understood Jamesā true motivations, because she always desired to return, whereas returning to civilization was never going to be possible for James. (And, that James never understood her, as a corollary.)
Thomas:
IāM REALLY SORRY IāM GONNA TALK ABOUT THE EXACT THING YOU DID BUT FROM THE OTHER END LMAO. Iām a trash human.
Edit: I went back over this with a fine tooth comb, and reworded/changed a bit of my opinion in this post. I still think that thereās clear indicators for Thomas changing from the first time we meet him to where I think he would be in the finale, but also that like, he was born, grew up, was supported by and lived in a colonialist system and that those things are almost impossible to throw off when theyāre so ingrained in your own privilege.
So my unpopular opinion is that viewing Thomas as a supporter of colonialism throughout his arc ignores the character development weāre shown.Ā
I absolutely agree that in the beginning he is aligning with colonial views even as he seeks to change them, but after the hanging date with James we see a huge shift in his view about what's wrong with Nassau. He basically looks at the whole situation with the pirate being hung and saysĀ
Ā By the time heās come up with the pardons I think itās clear heās seen that the way England does things is wrong.Ā
James says that Thomas believes England needs to systemically rethink itself in 2x03 and that the pardons were a way to seek to change England entirely in his talk with Rogers.Ā
Weāre shown his character move away from the colonialist views he started with, even in London. He recognizes theyāre a problem and is trying to figure out a way to fix them.
Now, do I think that he still had room to grow? For sure. Just like James, he has only just begun the journey.Ā
But I think framing his entire character in London as a static upholder of colonialism ignores a lot of the real character growth were given in the 15 minutes he's on screen. We have five scenes with him and in every one his character has changed and grown - and I think that's one of the things that I love most about him is that when he's shown he's wrong he actively tries to correct himself rather than doubling down like Guthrie or Peter or Silver, or a dozen other characters. Or even James sometimes.Ā
The beautiful thing about Thomas's character to me is how fluid and open to change he is and I think viewing him as merely a colonial agent or stuck in colonial thinking tends to ignore that part of his character completely.Ā
ALSO I think there is this false dichotomy of thinking that a revolutionary character can only be someone intent on tearing down the system. That ISNāT true and just because youāre working from inside the system doesnāt mean you support it. Thinking like that is exactly how you get shit like today, where people say we shouldnāt participate in government because itās broken and the only way to move forward is to tear things down completely.Ā
/end rant <3
One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon.
MIRANDA LIVES. MIRANDA CONFIRMED TRANS.Ā
THOMAS MORE SCREENTIME WHEN!! THOMAS HAVING DIALOGUE OR MOMENTS THAT ARE SHOWN TO BE THROUGH HIS ACTUAL LENS AND NOT SOMEONEāS MEMORIES OR STORY.Ā
GIVE THOMAS AGENCY BLACK SAILS CHALLENGE.
I mean tbh, I would love to rewrite the whole damn thing but my biggest things are that Miranda doesnāt die, and is given a chance to choose her own ending - maybe she decides to stay in Charlestown! Or goes to Boston at the end, when Jack goes to visit Guthrie!
And that Thomas got some scene - ANY scene - that was shown through his own eyes. We only see him in Miranda and Jamesā flashbacks, or Silverās story. We never actually hear him speak through his own words and that is like, the biggest tragedy of Black Sails, that so many characters(Thomas, Madi, Flint, even Anne to a degree) are denied the agency of their own story through the narrative itself.
Also shame farm what shame farm in this house James Oglethorpe is represented with historical accuracy and Thomas has been working alongside him to keep Georgia a slavery free colony,, theyāve been reducing the prison populations in London, and heās basically got an army of radicals ready to go when his sexy pirate husband returns from war.
Listen thereās no shame in asking me to write more than the 4500 words Iāve already written today about Black Sails Characters.
#emjee#lmao please dont hate me sorry i just super disagree but like#THATS FANDOM EYYYY#anywho#thomas hamilton#miranda hamilton#black sails#flinthamilton#flinthamiltons#the heart the heart the heart#milos black sails meta#long post#so long jesus christ#im so sorry#does this belong under a read more? probably lmao#ask memes
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The Lady and the Chauffeur Name Thing
So at the end of my LAST installment of my FS Downton Abbey AU, Christmas at the Abbey, I promised that if ONE person wanted an explanation of the many new names that popped up I would write it. Well many weeks ago now the lovely @valentinaonthemoon asked for such a list, and I am a woman of my word, even if I completely forgot about and only remembered about it just now. Iām going to pop it under a read more bc it is going to get LONGĀ and also contain ALL OF THE SPOILERS for that series.Ā
OKAY SO
Weāll do this in birth order I think. Nicknames are in ()Ā
Eilidh May FitzSimmons, born December 12th 1919 - The first of the many babies!! As many of you will know if you have been following me for a while, Eilidh May was, pre-finale of course, my utter ride or die name for baby girl Fitzsimmons. I think I have like three or four fics with this particular name in it, I loved it so much. Eilidh is the Scottish variation of Helen, and means sun-ray, which ugh wouldnāt that just be so perfect for a little FitzSimmons baby. I was just utterly in love with the idea of FS giving their baby a Scottish name (as you will see in the NEXT FS baby) and the fact that this had a space/star/sun/celestial twist to it just absolutely SOLD IT for me. I should add, for all my non-scottish followers that Eilidh is pronounced Ay-Lee. I have no idea how gaelic pronunciation works, I just know how to say it.Ā Her middle name, May, doesnāt need much explanation. I just loved the idea of them giving their little girl a middle name after someone on the team.Ā
George (Georgie) Lincoln Campbell, born 2nd October 1921 - Okay ngl, I got real lazy with this name. Mary and Matthewās (who Daisy and Lincoln were in the place of in this fic) son was also named George, and I liked it, I thought it would be cute if he was called Georgie, as a bit of a variation. His middle name comes from his father, obvi, who, in keeping with BOTH canons (the noise I made when I figured out I could do that I swear. Iām so sorry Lincoln it was just far too good an opportunity to pass up), I killed off on the day he was born. My apologies.Ā
Hamish Phillip FitzSimmons, born 6th January 1922 - Oh this name. A lot of people REALLY donāt like this name, which is fine. As I said with Eilidh, I was really on a kick of giving FS babies Scottish names. I originally dismissed Hamish, and it just wouldnāt leave me alone, and just utterly grew on me. I actually went to school with a Hamish, he was a fair few years below me and he was just the tiniest, most adorable little toot! From what I can gather, Hamish is an anglicised version of Seamus or Seumus, which is the gaelic version of James, which is a very long and roundabout way of honouring Fitzās middle name, but I still love having that connection. The middle name, Phillip, again, this name was a love of mine before this fic came about and it just seemed so natural to me that they would name their son after Coulson, and there was just no other name I liked so much with HamishĀ
Ā Kathleen (Kathy) Skye FitzSimmons, born 30th May 1925 - I have no really grand explanation for this name, other than Kathleen is a special name to me, and I love using it in stories. It fit in well I thought with the 1920ā²s style of naming (yes I did that extensive googling) and as I say it is a very dear name to me and FitzSimmons are deserving of it. Skye, again, Iām just going through the checklist of names from the team. This was in NO WAYĀ a narcissistic naming, I promise, I just really think theyād give their child that as a middle name, as also this was my way of slipping a lil bit of Scottish into her name too. Just a smidge :)
Ā Hazel June Sousa, born 14th October 1926 - Oh Hazel. Hazel is just a name I really love. It is also the name of a dear friend of mine who I donāt get to see very often, and I just love it. Honestly I was just trying to find names that worked with the last name Sousa and Hazel just popped into my head. Again it works with 1920ā²s naming trends, (again with the googling) and yeah I just really love it. The middle name June comes from the fact that in this fic, Daisy and Sousa get married in the month of June. I thought that was a nice way of honouring their relationship, through their daughters name :)
Finley (Flint) Alphonso Mackenzie, born 28th May 1927 - So Mack and Elena adopting Flint is basically canon isnāt it??!?!? He is their son I will have no arguments. SO finding a name that Flint would work for as a nickname, bc lets be real no one was naming their child Flint in 1926, I had to find a roundabout way, was NOT EASY. I still have no idea how Flint could come from Finley, but it is close enough to make sense. By the time I got to Flint I had already named five children and was getting a bit lazy, and so his middle name is just the same as his fathers first name, which is still a very common middle name tactic.Ā
Emily Lorna FitzSimmons, born 12th October 1927 - Again, by the time I got to poor little Emily, I had named six children already. Emily I just like. Every Emily I have ever met has honestly been the nicest and sweetest person I have ever known. It has a good track record for me and it just sounds so nice with Fitzsimmons. Lorna, Lorna comes from my own personal headcanon for Fitzās mumās name, and so I think thatās where Lorna comes from, as a way of honouring Fitzās mum.Ā It is also believed to derive from the name of the Scottish town Lorne, so snuck another bit of Scotland into baby FitzSimmonsās name :)Ā
Arthur (Archie) James FitzSimmons, born 14th August 1929 - If you all cast your minds back, at the very start of the Lady and the Chauffeur, I named Jemmaās dad, Lord Shieldshire, Arthur Simmons. So this was my way of honouring dear old Donk, but they call him Archie, just so heās his own wee man. James, again, got a bit lazy, same middle name as Fitz. Also v Scottish name, we are 5/5 for Scottish baby FitzSimmons :)
Eve Margaret Sousa, born December 24th 1929 - Eve, well, she was born on Christmas Eve. I cast around for ages trying to find Christmasy names. She was Robyn for a little while, I considered Noel, but that felt a little too contemporary, so she was Eve! And yes, Margaret is my little wink to Agent Carter. I couldnāt help myself.Ā
Violet Faith Mackenzie, born 6th April 1930 - I actually had a lot of fun finding this name. I briefly considered calling her Hope, but no, that felt a little too on the nose for me. The name Violet comes from obviously the little purple flower, but the flower itself means hope, which I liked. Out of the three surnames, I feel like Mackenzie is the easiest out of all of them to find names for, (maybe itās because Iām Scottish and know a fair few people with that Mac/Mc sound at the start of their surname) and I played around with a few possibilities, but honestly I just fell in love with Violet. Faith comes from the fact that faith is very important to both Mack and Elena and I wanted to consider that and honour that in the naming of their little girl.Ā
Ā Edward (Teddy) Donald FitzSimmons, born December 1st 1932 - The last (for real this time) little FitzSimmons baby of this verse. Blame Fitz being forever broody and Jemma just loving their babies so much, and also being an easy burst when it comes to Fitz and their babies. This name, boy oh boy, this name was HARD. Girls names for FitzSimmons babies, for some reason, easy as pie for me, I have a list as long as my arm of girls names I love for them. As for boys names, Hamish is the only one that has really stuck long term for me. All of the names I found for this poor wee boy that I liked were just a bit too modern, so I had to go searching again. I saw Edward, realised it could be shortened to Teddy and fell in LOVE. Only in this verse would I really get away with calling a baby Teddy so I took the chance and ran with it, and now little dark haired blue eyed Teddy FitzSimmons runs around rent free in my brain. His middle name, is not really obvious why I chose it at first glance. Again I struggled. I couldnāt really find any more Scottish names that I liked, or at least ones that i could give poor Simmons a fighting chance of pronouncing properly (Lachlan is still on my list and I have NEVER heard anyone not Scottish pronounce that first syllable properly). So Scottish was out, and so I went to my next mainstain of family names. And Deke or Enoch were the only two male names I hadnāt touched. Enoch was going to be impossible to find a link (trust me I tried) but DEKE, comes from a common nickname for Donald. So Donald he was.Ā
I hope you enjoyed this little (haha) list! I just love putting thought and meaning into names, and this kind of gives you a little glimpse into my naming process. Yes I know I will be a nightmare if I ever have children. That is a whole SEPARATE and ever changing and evolving list.Ā
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In depth fandom ask: the last fandom you joined bc I can't remember it now
Well, I guess the last fandom Iāve properly joined --making a few edits, starting yet-another-WIP etc.-- is Black Sails, so. Plus I want to talk about it a little, spoiler-free, in case you decide to watch it ^-^ (Iāll leave that to the s3 post I need to finish...).
Top 5 favourite characters: Max is my number one, without a doubt, and of the rest of my faves Silver has an edge... but the remaining positions are a tough fight between Flint, Jack, Madi and Miranda, and I honestly canāt choose DD:
Other characters you like: Mr. Scott, Anne, Idelle, the Maroon Queen, Billy, Eme, Abigail... This show has a lot of great characters tbh.
Least favourite characters: I still loathe Peter Ashe with every fiber of my being. Alfred Hamilton is obviously The Worst(TM). And though it hasnāt grown into hate (yet), I donāt like Woodes Rogers one bit Ā¬Ā¬
Otps: Flint/Miranda, and the combos in Flint/Madi/Silver and Anne/Jack/Max (in no particular order at the moment because I just HAVE TONS OF FEELS ABOUT THEM ALL).
Notps: I donāt have strong NOPE feelings towards anything, but Iām not into Eleanor/Max (which is a dynamic I actually really like BUT that Iām glad it doesnāt return to shippiness LOL); Eleanor/Rogers (I might be indifferent towards Eleanor most of the time but I haaaaaate Rogers for her. RUN GIRL), Flint/Vane (booooooooring).
Favourite friendships: Max & Silver (THE duo I swear), Jack & Max, Flint & Silver, Idelle & Max (I might not have said so before but I guess I like a little conflict LMFAO), Billy & Flint (NOT a friendship, but their relationship absolutely cracks me up I swear. āWhoās Billy?ā XDDD).
Favourite family: Madiās family, which is all I can say without getting spoilery. I just. *lies down on the floor overcome with emotions* xDD
Favourite episodes: the problem with binge-watching (okay, Iāve taken s3 more slowly but) is that they all kinda blur together LOL. Hmm. The season finales are all *chefs kiss* so far (sometimes in a very painful way... Iām looking at you s2. Though the ominous Flint/Silver moments in the s3 were A LOT too); any in which I get to see Max & Silver scheming together ofc. And the first handful of eps in s3 were particularly enjoyable to me because I was drowning in PURE ANGST and Flint & Silver feels xDD (I canāt NOT believe the fandom seems to call one of those āthe shark dateā asƱldfjasdfƱl).
Favourite season/book/movie: oof. I honestly canāt pick; s1 is probably the āleastā because the others include better moments for some of my secondary faves, and because thereās a plot thatās really hard to watch... BUT it has things on it I adore to pieces too. s1-2 doesnāt have Madi (major drawback xD), and s3 is after one of my favesā death... but frankly theyāre all neck and neck so far.
Favourite quotes: āI am ruined over youā always comes to mind DD: āLiked is just as good as fearedā; Max combo with Eleanor about sand (typing that down made me think of Anidala LMFAO. The scene itself is very different though! xD) in the s1 finale; āin another time, in another place, they would call me a queenā; āthis ends when I grant them my forgiveness, not the other way aroundā, Mr. Scottās āNo. Only YOU.ā... honestly, this showās dialogue is just too good(TM), I could just quote it all back xD. And of course, I HAVE to mention āWHOāS BILLYā. Itās the law.
Best musical moment: the score is perfection all around, but given that I never skip the intro just to listen and watch it... yeah, the intro xD
Moment that made you fangirl/boy the hardest: well, I *might* have lost it the moment CAPTAIN FLINT COMES OUT TO LONG JOHN SILVER OVER A BONFIRE, IDK XDD
When it really disappointed you: the fact that I wonāt get to see a fully fleshed out Mr. Scott-Silver dynamic is MAJORLY disappointing, let me tell you. That Flintās actor didnāt somehow get his mother (aka Maggie Smith aka Professor McGonagall aka Lady Violet) on the show too Ā¬Ā¬. LOL.
Saddest moment: characterās deaths of two of the characters listed on ātop 5ā/āothers you likeā xD.
Most well done character death: the hanging in 3x09 was well done and served its purpose.
Favourite guest star: for a value of āguest starā... Iām going with Idelle.
Favourite cast member: Jessica Parker Kennedy is the one that I know and love for other projects sheās done.
Character you wish was still alive: THE ONE WE TRAGICALLY LOST IN 2x09.
One thing you hope really happens: Iām cheating because I know thereās some of that in s4, but I want to watch more Flint/Madi interactions pls.
Most shocking twist: well, I wasnāt spoiled for Mr. Scottās plot in s3 so I was (pleasantly) surprised by that xD
When did you start watching/reading?: a little over two weeks ago; I watched (devoured) s1-s2 and 3x01-3x04 in a few days because I wanted to meet Madi, and then I tragically had to slow down :(((
Best animal/creature: I will always love Treasure IslandsāĀ parrot that Silver named after Flint LMFAO.
Favourite location: Nassau aka Maxās ~domain xD. And Mirandaās house.
Trope you wish they would stop using: noooooone. I love the tropes this show reuses LMFAO. Romantic Betrayals(TM), triumvirates, āgood things happen in the dark/away from civilizationā, the power of narratives, social climbing and revolt... bring them oooooon.
One thing this show/book/film does better than others: quite a few xD. But one that really stands out to me is the dialogue; both the ~deep and sorrowful type (there were so many quotes where I had to take a break to freak out properly lol), and the humorous ones.
Funniest moments: I know Iām repeating myself, but I recently rewatched the pilot to edit some scenes and I keep remember the WHOāS BILLY one xDD (which I maintain it was Flint trolling him. He could give Abigail a rundown of Billyās whole life story AND he shamelessly checked him out that one time. Flint knows who Billy is, heās just an asshole xD). Really, all the scenes between Billy and Flint in that episode are comedic gold lmfao. Billyās āoh dear I fucked upā expression when he tells Flint the crew has started to think him weak and Flint looks half a second away from murdering him right there, his WTF face at Flintās antics with the stolen page... Gold, seriously.
Couple you would like to see: I meannnnnn. I wouldāve been very happy if the show had decided to go with Flint/Madi/Silver, for one. Bonus if Miranda couldāve been included. Or just explicit Flint/Silver in poly arrangements (THEY ARE IN LOVE, ITāS JUST ~COMPLICATED XD).
Actor/Actress you want to join the cast: MAGGIE SMITH DAMMIT.
Favourite outfit: literally everything Max wears in s3. Eleanorās s1-s2 outfits were things Iād love to wear too. Flintās ~dramatic coat. Mirandaās collection of supposedly-puritan-but-showing-the-goods dresses xDD (and ofc her London clothes), Jackās clothes (heās Nassauās fashion icon lbr).
Favourite item: the books!! Especially when Flint gave Miranda āLa Galateaā as a gift (given that sometimes he reminds me of my OC Latoya, you might understand the freakout I had when he gave the other member of my OTP a book titled like that xDD).
Do you own anything related to this show/book/film?: no, but I kinda want to. I did have a Treasure Planet computer game I tragically canāt find... it was about collecting money in increasingly difficult scenarios LOL. And I probably have more pirate-y/Treasure Island theme stuff. I had a long pirate phase xD
What house/team/group/friendship group/family/race etc would you be in?: Maxās because I like being on the winning team, thanks xD (though I do ~align more with Flint and Madiās lbr...).
Most boring plotline: Eleanor and Vaneās ~romance is not at all badly written... but the fact that I find both of them boring kinda ruins the whole thing because I always wish that time went to someone else xD. Also, Blackbeard. Meh.
Most laughably bad moment: n/a.
Best flashback/flashfoward if any: the London flashback where Miranda goes to Flintās house unannounced to take him to an art gallery, she finds him half-naked and he gets all awkward about it lmao. And then they hook up in the carriage :DDD
Most layered character: we get to explore Flint and Silver the most. Silverās development in particular is something that never ceases to impress me ngl.
Most one dimensional character: except the one-note characters I wouldnāt really call anyone completely one-dimensional, tbh. Though I do think the fandom attributes more complexity to Thomas than itās seen in canon? Like, I like what I see; I think heās functional, he works well, and he adds wonderfully to Flintās (and Mirandaās) story, but I donāt see him as a full character in his own right. Which is perfectly fine for the narrative so far, but I fear it might fall apart for me at the very end.
Scariest moment: I never know what to say in this... I mean, I guess Flint killing a man with his bare hands in the pilot Like That was scary xD. I understand why Silver freaked out LOL.
Grossest moment: any of Maxās interactions with Vane tbh. Stay away from her Ā¬Ā¬
Best looking male: Flint has that ruggedly handsome thing going on for him, if youāre into that (and sometimes I do appreciate his ~aesthetics... very sad he shaved his head in s3 though. Like, I get you did it for the Angst, honey, and trust me, I Feel U, but still). I feel like I might be forgetting someone, but seriously, none of the dudes in this show so far do anything for me LOL. I can honestly say I love them for their personalities xDD
Best looking female: I have a weakness for Max, but Miranda, Madi, Anne, the Maroon Queen, Idelle, Eme... all of them are gorgeous in their own way. This show is good for sapphic womenās enjoyment in that sense xDD.
Who youāre crushing on (if any): I could crush on any of the women mentioned above tbh.
Favourite cast moment: I have literally only seen this post about an interview where Flintās actor says heās too old to party with The Youth of the cast and just wants to chill on the weekend... with bonus Max and Eleanorās actress talking about how Vaneās once climbed the side of a building up AND back down. Iām with you, Toby Stephens, you donāt need those shenanigans xDD
Favourite transportation: the Walrus, for sentimental reasons LOL. I liked stolen Spanish warship too.
Most beautiful scene (scenery/shot wise): lots of good ones, though I think my fave might be the one of Miranda sitting by the window in London. Or the one of Charles Town burning down, I liked that :))) (I remember thinking āFlint better go full Daenerys on themā. And he did! It was nice xD).
Unanswered question/continuity issue/plot error that bugs you: n/a, so far.
Best promo: n/a.
At what point did you fall in love with this show/book: I liked it from the word go, but the moment that TRULY cemented it for me was in 1x03, with Max making a decision that I... frankly didnāt expect. It made things worse for her in the short-term, the storyline itself was difficult and disturbing to watch and I still have some mixed feelings about it. But what it said about her as a character and how her journey goes after that... I was in awe of her, and of the show.
#missbrunettebarbie#replies#my thoughts#black sails#black sails thoughts#talking to the void#bsmax#miranda barlow#james flint#john silver#flintmiranda#silverflintmadi#silverflint#silvermadi#billy x flint#bsmadi#i think those are the most prominent ones#thanks for the ask :D
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black sails s4e1 liveblog
the last season. wow. ok here we go
zach mcgowanās name no longer being in the credits makes me kind of sad. by the end of s3 i really liked vane
they open with flint quoting the bible. love this show. also his point about the allinace of pirates heās relying on being very tenuous is true
silver: if it makes you feel any better,
flint: āa little.ā lol. silver is still kind of a shit and i love him for it. i also appreciate that he and flint have a shared sense of humor
this is a bad picture but madiās outfit here is great. iāll be interested to hear more from her about why she doesnāt trust flint
jack knows how to give orders to an active crew now! growth. heās gained blackbeardās respect as well. also
itās a trap! flint itās so clearly a trap
ok iāll give woodes rogers this one- he knows how to defend nassau
this is stressing me out so bad iām going to save this as a draft and go watch something else. maybe go to sleep. idk iāll be back
ok itās several days later and iām back
silver: if we donāt get these men off the ship, theyāre dead
flint: if we donāt find a way to harass those guns, everyoneās dead
that sums up their priorities and dynamic at this point in the show huh
i hate woodes rogers.
nooooo the walrusā¦ my baby :(
bear mccreary outdid himself on this one. 3.10 and 4.1 have some of the best scores in the show so far
aw shit this is so bad. i know silver doesnāt die but a lot of the other men do. and the walrus. iām actually upset about them sinking the walrus. flintās BOOKS are on that ship dammit!
āmy wifeā¦ i get why she did it but like. eleanor why
as someone who embroiders? mood. also itās so weird to see eleanor still in her noblewoman clothes and embroidering, being hidden from a fight. i like scenes where she acts like she did before- cussing out soldiers, cussing while embroidering, taking over for rogers when heās sickā¦ sheās the same person, just trying really hard to be someone else
ok the show just said what i said so i feel validated. eleanorās like āiām a noblewoman now, so i might as well put in the effort to play the part.ā max is like āit bothers me that faking your personality doesnāt seem to bother you that much.ā eleanor: āwe are who we are. nothing so important changes so quickly.ā SO GOOD
oof. OOF. i donāt think flint realizes how like. heās just let madi know he has feelings for silver that are similar to hers. but he definitely has
silver: when flint and i are of the same mind we can do literally anything. i donāt know why that is. he doesnāt know why that is
madi: u may not know, but i have a pretty good idea
i also think madi is right about flint needing silver more than silver needs flint. i donāt like it tho bc i like flint more than i like silver lololol so i want their weird codependent relationship to continue bc it allows flint to be who he is. also silver has an advantage in that he has both flint and madi as friends/lovers (as well as having the men, sort of), while flint literally only has silver
YES ANNE. have i mentioned how much i love clara paget before because i love clara paget. she is so charismatic
woodes rogers is so mystified why nobody has offered him assistance in capturing the piratesā¦ itās because they donāt like you, king! ok itās actually way more complicated than that in that youāre going against their status quo and offering them security over freedom which makes them unlikely to trust you even if they generally agree with you and also theyāre all former pirates so they still have some loyalty to their brothers on the seas etc. but not liking you personally doesnāt help
NOOOO mr. de groot
āflintās inner circleā lmao. good on him for telling rogers to go fuck himself tho
flint is lit and framed like heās a shadow in his own house
woodes rogersā comparison between what would happen if flintās men captured 121 of his men vs what heās going to do with flintās men now that heās captured 121 of them is so interesting to me. he wants to treat them humanely, in a civilized way- but their ātrialsā will still result in them losing their freedom or losing their lives. is it really more civilized to drag out that process if the laws are unjust and punitive? and if they will result in the same outcome?
oh billy. ohhhhh billy. and flint! their pride is getting in the way of everything like i GET it you guys have some nasty history but is this really whatās important right now? aaand madi to the rescue!!! only sane person on this show. i donāt think sheās going to end up queen of nassau but sheād be damn good at it
the whole scene with silver swimming makes me feel like i canāt breathe
oh my god the fucking dairy goat. itās going to die. ok ya it did
iām glad they lampshade the fact that jack could have killed woodes rogers in the carriage fight. heās not the killing type, though
jack cares abt their legacy, anne cares abt their futureā¦ anne has figured out her identity while jack still feels insecure in hisā¦ anne isnāt willing to risk her life to avenge vaneās death while both jack and teach are willing to do really stupid thingsā¦ so good so complicated i canāt even fully express all the layers of this scene
eleanor is realizing that rogers is going to take her sacrifices for granted because he doesnāt understand that they are sacrifices- and he still doesnāt respect max! and eleanor is like shit this did not turn out how i planned, this is the second relationship iāve had with a man where he doesnāt view me as an equal only this time weāre actually fucking married and i have to deal with it maturely
rogers has fallen into the great trap of the noble cishet white man in england of this era- debt. money can be a great equalizer (allowing max to be powerful despite what england says, and rogers to be in deep shit despite his privilege).
good on eleanor for offering to use her familyās name to help him out. i may hate his guts but i respect what sheās doing here
oooh long john silver babey!
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1/2 I allow you to kill me because I'm gonna do the unthinkable thing: disagree with Toby Stephens. First of all, I bow to him. No one could've played Flint as perfectly as he did. He is unreal! But there is one thing I disagree with him. :) I do not think that rage is Flint's sole motivation. It's the majority of his motivation, no doubt. But I do believe that there is more to it.
2/2 āI cannot believe we are so poorly made as thatā and āFreedom in the darkā speeches are too powerful to be a delusion. They are too raw and heartbreaking. He canāt be deluding himself in those moments. He must genuinely believe in it. No way, no way he can deliver those words and not believe in them. Yes, heās angry and I love him for it. I love that he wants revenge. But I do believe that a little bit of idealism still lives in him and it comes out in those two beautiful speeches.
!!!! i very much agree, actually, with you and with toby. essentially, flint is a character with a dual personality. heās james mcgraw and james flint, a good man and aĀ āvillainā, a born cynic and inspired idealist. toby focused on one side of flint while describing him, that is he kind of oversimplified him, which i understand bc what he described is the overpowering, dominant side of flint and the side that was relevant within the context of the story he was currently talking about.Ā flintās hopeful, kind and forgiving side of him is more subtle, something thatās constantly overshadowed by his still very much present cynicism and distrust of both the system and most people around him. i didnāt think much of tobyās words besides that i agreed with them, but now that you brought it up i have to talk about it. strap in this might get long and boring because itās me talking about flint ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
speaking of his idealism, what i find so fascinating about this character is his uwavering strength in protecting that fragile sense of hope considering the world he was forced to live in.Ā once that idealism had been instilled, no matter how hellish the struggle the world had put him through was, no matter how fragile that hope had become, it never died. his idealism perservered. and it all started with thomas. this awe-inspiring man whose talks of goodness and kindness in people and need to rethink systemic things made him realize that the world and its people he saw as āābrutal and unforgivingāā werenāt above change for the better. being born a good man, thomasā overwhelming idealism that couldāve blinded every good soul on the planet took root in james and only grew from that moment on.Ā
however, flintās faith never reached the same depth as thomasā. where thomas believed in people in general and saw good in just about everyone, flintās faith was in individuals. in the few good people in his life he deemed capable enough of changing the world. in people like thomas and miranda (āāWho better qualified to oversee the building of the New World than Thomas?āā), and later silver and madi (āāAnd you think Iām the one best suited to lead our people through this? I think that you are the best of us.The two of you together are the world in balanceāā).Ā his trust in those people was steadfast andĀ true. he believed their goodness couldāve changed the world for the better, but more importantly they were a promise, a reminder that somewhere out there must be more people like them, people who can fight the oppression and make a difference. (āāI cannot believe that that is all there is. I cannot believe we are so poorly made as that.āā)Ā theyĀ were his true idealism, the bridge to a greater world. what breaks my heart the most, though, is that he never really considered himself to be one of them, one of the good guys, so he allowed himself the freedom to take what he believed was his and theirs with fist and sword. i actually talked about this once before. i think flint believed himself to be the tool used to push the boundaries and achieve a breakthrough within the society. someone who would incite a revolution and bring the world to its knees so the good people could recreate a new, better one. he actually admits it on a few ocassions:Ā āāI donāt think that thereās a part for Captain Flint in Nassauās future.Not with the blood on his hands.āā, and later on when he purposely excludes himself from silver and madiās future as the leaders of nassau.Ā
however, putting his faith in people aside as it has been unchanging and deep ever since he first stood up for thomas and miranda, i think his idealism when it comes to the world change itself over time steered in a weird direction. i kind of see his pursuits as two different versions of an ideal world, both fought for with the people he loved and both, despite their difference, unattainable. the one he was trying to achieve with thomas, had they succeeded, wouldāve been a very different world than the one he was trying to achieve with silver. to put it simply, the first one wouldāve been attained with mercy and forgiveness. the change wouldāve been swift and radical, but the world wouldāve most likely been unsullied by blood and tragedy. this type of idealism was noble, good, the kind that thomas was preaching about and the kind that inspired jamesā own idealism. but as deep-rooted as that idealism was, i think that with time it went a little askew and that ideal world he had envisioned for himself and everybody else after thomas was gone became yet another unachievable goal, only this time with a path to it paved with nothing but blood and tragedy of both the guilty and the innocent. in between his outbursts of rage and violence, flint did try to sue for peace, more than once and in the least destructive ways, and every time the world spat in his face and made him even more aware of its cruelty and resentment of the people like him. with every failed attempt to reason with the civilization he was more driven to simply destroy it all and rebuild from the ashes. with every failed attempt he was moving farther away from where he started, from thomasā initial attempt for a peaceful and reasonable outcome and steering towards destruction. the idealism still thrived in flint, he believed in everything he said, every powerful, tear-jerking monologue was true to his soul and invoke sympathy, he still believed in those individuals to set them all free, but it all sort of merged with his anger and this obsessive need for vengeance where the ends always seemed to justify the means in his eyes, so what was once pure became something mutilated and questionable rather than inspiring.Ā
both silver and julius were right in a sense. flintās desire to change the world so quickly and brutally wouldnāt have resulted in a victory, not yet. the world was too strong for that, and his war wasĀ going to be a neverending nightmare for everyone involved. so, really, toby wasnāt wrong. flint is, fundementally, driven by rage and revenge against england for what it did to him and his loved ones. as you said, itās the majority of his motivation and nearly everything he does or says kind of stems from that, even a part of his idealism. when toby said flint is playing out his own psychodrama on a massive scale, that heās not waging war for altruistic reasons, thatās very much true and it becomes even more prominent as the seasons go and the world takes more from him. flint is not a freedom fighter. heās not a hero. we are proven time and time again that he was ready to sacrifice almost whatever and whoever to further his war and reach the outcome he wants. had his goal not had been freedom from the oppression, he wouldnāt have been seen as the ally in the eyes of so many. he knew that what he was doing couldāve benefited everyone, thatās in part how he won the people to his side, and even though i personally believe a certain part of him truly, selflesslyĀ wanted to serve that freedom to them bc he was aware of their suffering as much as he was of his own, it still first and foremost had to have benefitedĀ him.Ā
i also have to bring up Lauren Sarnerās reviewĀ about the last episode here because she talks exactly about this and honestly i trust her judgment when it comes to black sails more than anything:Ā Flintās monologue, aside from being beautiful, also reveals his truest nature. Silver sees Flint as being filled with rage, and he is. But deep down, heās also never relinquished Thomasās idealism. Flint wanted to wage war against the world, but his belief in his ability to change it ā and in Silver and Madiās ability to see it through ā was genuine. To say Flint only fought for rage is only half of the picture.
#ajdghffh i think this could've been even longer but i had to stop somewhere#anyway dont know if it makes sense lmao#and this is just my interpretation fam pls dont bite my head off#Anonymous#ask#bs meta
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Hi guys! I recently marathoned Black Sails and i loved it! the only thing I'm sad about is that i didn't watch it in real time... I don't care if my ship is cannon, but I found that seeing it all at once means i know what happened to everyone, and I'm having a hard time shutting it off. I want to be into it, bc there are so many characters and ships i like in BS, but i don't know how to make the story feel open for exploration. any ideas or thoughts on how to incept myself into BS fandom?
Hello! Of course Elizabeth is answering this. This is a GREAT ASK, thank you, and not just because the entry point to this question is Black Sails āāā.Ā
(Iāll have you know this is one of, like, three gifs of Flint smiling in the entire series. I also googled āBlack Sails happyā andā¦no one looked happy.)
OK so it seems like there are a few things going on here. Apologies for taking whatās ostensibly about one show and turning it into something broader, but I think it gets at fundamental questions of fannish engagement, so IāM GOING IN.
1) Watching/reading a series all at onceĀ
Flourish and I talk about this one a lot, because we (and many others) have observed that younger/newer Harry Potter fans approach characters and plot elements VERY differently than we do, and we chalk a lot of this up to reading the books as a complete text versus reading it with miserable long gaps in which to turn over every freakin detail only to have 75% of it jossed when the next book came out. In 2002 I legit read this one page of Dumbledore dialogue in GoF 100 times thinking there was a clue that was justā¦underā¦the surface.
I think that with some texts and with some fans, the serialized nature of TV and book series are the way ināwe climb into those gaps and lingering there, waiting and obsessively turning things over and imagining all the branching possibilities, all the future reveals, all the resolutions, is part of the pleasure. I sure as hell wouldnāt have fallen for Sherlock if I hadnāt shown up to poke at the gaping emotional wound between s2 and s3. (Frankly if you showed me all four seasons at once Iām not sure Iād even like the showāmy lingering emotional loyalty was the only thing that kept me saying anything nice about s4.)Ā
If I had not watched Black Sails all in one go it would have been LITERAL TORTURE FOR ME. I had to pause for a week while traveling and I started to read fic that actually spoiled parts of the fourth season WHOOPS. :-/// But I can also understand how watching it all in one go wouldnāt give you enough space. But then, we watched the same way and I am deep in it, plotting out fic and everything. So maybeā¦Ā
2) A complete text can stay with you but might not give you a way in
This happens to me with books *all the time*. Iāll read something that shakes meāIāve often used the metaphorĀ āknocks your world off its axisā when describing a really great book, like it can be the subtlest tilt and youāll feel like everythingās changed.Ā I think itās pretty normal for texts to stay with you? If theyāre good or if they touch you in some specific way? Especially if youāre fannish and really feel the media youāre consuming.
But one thing I often find about books is theyāre moreā¦complete. Even when television shows end properly, rather than being cancelled, they might stretch for longer than what was initially planned, for example, so it doesnāt feel like the arc of the plot was as carefully constructedāoften it canāt be, especially with long-running American shows (and of course with classic episodic television, say, a monster-of-the-week show, itās not even structurally designed to have the same sort of ~ABCDE structure as a novel might).Ā
Black Sails is not one of those showsāthey knew they were bringing the story to a close, and the entire show rests on carefully-plotted narrative arcs. (Not to mention there was an actual ~canonical endpoint for all the Treasure Island characters, ie where the book begins (like, sort of). I mean, there were also canonical endpoints for Jack, Anne, Vane, Blackbeard, Hornigold, and every other historical figure, butā¦)
Over the years Iāve joined fandoms for WIPs as well as finished products, and oftenĀ for me fandomās been a way of trying to mend the wounds of a media property I found incomplete, either narratively (with bad writing) or literally (like, when a show ends abruptly). I think for some fans, this is a crucial pieceāthey say that when they find something too complete, thereās nothing to mend.Ā
3) Different modes of fannish engagement
So hereās another thing Iāve observedādifferent friends have different definitions ofĀ āfandom.ā So people are like,Ā āOh yeah, Iām in the fandom, I love that show!ļæ½ļæ½ And I find out that means they enjoy the show and livetweet it and look at some gifs and thatās that. Which is totally fandom! And then thereās me, nodding nervously as I debate mentioning that,Ā āOh yeah, Iām in the fandom, I love that show!ā for me meansĀ āTHIS IS THE ONLY THING I WANT TO THINK ABOUT, HELP ME, I AM DROWNING.ā Itās funny, sometimes I think about archetypal nerdboy fandom and its dick-measuring fact recitation, and then I think about all the times I tried to read the room to see if it was safe to let another person know how much I thought about something I loved, how much I feltĀ about it. Even in totally fannish spaces, I still hesitate. :-/
There have been some things in the past few years that Iāve really enjoyed and toyed with checking out fandoms for, but what Iāve come to realize over the years is for me, it needs to be like falling in love. I think for some people, interest and obsession grows, and for others, you fall in head-first. And for others still, it depends on the thing.Ā
I understand this ask might have been specifically looking for resources or suggestions and while Iād just say if youāre not feeling it in this way, thatās cool, there are lots of different ways to fan, and you can keep thinking about something even if you arenāt drawn to, say, create transformative works about it? But maybe I should say something about Black Sails in particularā¦
4)Ā Black Sails-specific: unreliable narrators and transformative works
If anyone hasnāt finished Black Sails, stop reading here, Iāll keep it vague but thereās only so much I can do.Ā This is one thing thatās especially interesting to me about this ask: while Iām going on about how final and precisely plotted it all was, itās notā¦that final. Because the entire point of the show is about narrative, right? Who gets to write them, who gets to own them, how they can be manipulated, how they shapeĀ ācivilization.ā Characters constantly talkāand constantly showāhow both Flint and Silver (and, like, most of the characters, from Max to Thomas to Vane to Woodes Rogers) are these masterful shapers of narrative. Flint is the victim of clashing narratives: whatās actually happened to him, what he tells the world heās doing, what heās actually doing (note that explosive scene when Miranda calls him on this, ahhh I love Miranda). But the showās choice to shift to Silverās narration to wrap up events is a really fascinating one: the man who works so hard to obscure his past, laying out the narratives of the future. Should we believe him?Ā
I recommend this interview with creators Johnathan Steinberg and Robert Levineāthe Flint section at the start is really delightful if youāre into artists being super into open-interpretation of their work.Ā āDo we have a sense of what we imagine is happening?ā Steinberg says when asked if we should believe Silverās speech to Madi.Ā āYes, but if I was someone else, I wouldnāt want to watch it with my interpretation coloring it.ā They talk about how this is essentially a transformative work (they donāt use that term)āa certain decisionĀ āmade sense as a way to both acknowledge the book and spin it.ā
So this is like the literal opposite of, say, JK Rowling, who seems intent on letting us know every freakin detail of canon and post-canon and seems genuinely unhappy at the idea that people will interpret things in ways thatĀ āarenāt true.ā (At least in interviews Iāve seen/read of hers in the past few years.) Steinberg and Levine seem to be the ultimateĀ āopen to interpretationā guys, which really is like this big blank slate for fandom building on and playing with this world theyāve created. That being said, if oppositional fandom is your cup of teaāif you love fic and fandom as a corrective, as a way of wrestling a creator over the textāthen the,Ā āGo for it, interpret however you wantā thing is probably not super appealing.Ā
This is the first time in my entire fandom life, going on two decades now, that I have simultaneously been really satisfied with a showās ending and still wanted to write and read fic. And that seemsā¦weird to me? So I donāt think itās that weird that it wouldnāt work for someone. TL;DR: Iād just say if it happens, it happens. But itās OK to love something and not find a way into the fandom. But if that changes for you, Iāll be there. :-)
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Tribal #8
Apollo, congrats on winning individual immunity! Does having immunity make this the right time to make a big move to add to your resume? Or are you just thankful not to have the target on you for a week?
I feel like every move is a ābig moveā in the grand scheme of things. Everyone wants that ābig moveā on their resume but should probably just be happy itās not their ass sent home. For example Iām just happy to know that even though Iām working all day tomorrow, my ass will still be competing in the game still after tribal.
Boris, talk to us about alliances. Is the game still Sumi vs. Mea after a tribal council where a Tuai went home? How are people dividing up? At what point will this become a truly individual game?
I think its natural at the start of merge for people to stick with what they know and who they know. But as the game progresses people are going to start seeing the value in playing their own game instead of a collective game. All alliances are fluid. I think we're going to see in the next few rounds how quickly tribal lines can dissolve and alliances become blurred
Brianna, your tribemates seem to think youāre both on the bottom and likely to be blindsided by your allies. Does that make you nervous about your position in the game? Do you think youāre truly on the bottom? How do you make sure you can trust your allies not to vote you out?
Um to be honest jay. I donāt know how to answer that question. I try to stay confident and use caution in the game of survivor. I try to think through my decisions of who I can trust and stay ahead of the game and make sure I wonāt be blindsided.
Joey, people forget youāre playing the game. Do you plan on adjusting your game to change that perception? Are there any advantages to being less visible?
I mean, I think there can be an advantage to being invisible, but at this point iām VISIBLY invisible, so it could be really easy for others to target me as an āeasyā vote. I really wish I knew these people better, but working full time and juggling my own life at home has been pretty tough for me recently. Going forward, I hope people feel like they can open to me and I hope they donāt stick to whatever preconceptions they donāt have, bc Iām a pretty chill dude :)
Flint, talk to us about the last tribal council. How do you feel about a former Tuai going home? Does that bode poorly for you moving forward?
Last tribal was a shock for sure but thatās the game. It was exciting to be part of a blindside, although Iād rather have been on the other side. Moving forward will be tough because I now know Iām playing from the bottom. But Iām a loyal person and vote so hopefully people can see that and keep me around.
Felix, you earned several of the major categories in touchy subjects, making you one of the most visible players in the game. Knowing that people are so aware of you, how do you adjust your game so you arenāt seen as a threat? How can you survive with a target on your back?
I'm very comfortable being visible. Being visible means I am not skating by or riding coattails. It means I am my own player in this game. Plus, not all those categories were bad. I think the villain role suits me well ;). I think if I already have this huge visible target on my back, I cannot shake it off. I have to play with the target. And surviving it is something I don't know how to do yet
Marie, your tribemates seem to think you owe them an apology. Why do you think this is? Do you plan on adjusting your gameplay because of this challenge?
My tribemates probably think this because i say and do the most shit, need numbers for a vote? marie will do it. need someone to assure people/basically lie to them? marie has you covered. i think that's what they think of me. i talk to everyone, i'm not afraid to make moves, i'm not afraid to lie. maybe i should've won the villain category who knows. people wanting apologies means i'm playing an active game, the only way i plan to change my gameplay is by saying i'm sorry right now in advanced. it's a game.
Lysandre, are you nervous about this tribal council since you donāt have immunity? Where do you think the former Mea stand on this tribe? Are you two working together or are you trying to make your own path?
I would say anyone can feel nervous especially kf they don't have Immunity. In regards to any "Mea", the merge has come and the old tribes are gone. If anyone is stikl thinking in a tribal mentality they've got a storm coming later or sooner. I personally am an individual. My name is Lysandre not Lysandre of Mea.
Zest, last tribal was the gameās first real blindside. How do you adjust to the competition getting more intense? Are you looking for new allies or playing for yourself?
Hi. Itās been kind of wild since the last blindside. The game is definitely heating up and I have been really trying to gain a sense of who I can trust since the merge. Touchy Subjects was an interesting immunity challenge. It is weirds how we survivor players tend to self-describe ourselves and categorize others in to specific game roles (i.e. the villain, the coaster). It kind of gave me an idea/solidified who I want to align myself with for the rest of this competition. Also, I am certainly NOT playing for myself. Ā If anyone questions me or my motives, feel free to send me a message.
If anybody has a hidden immunity idol and would like to play it now would be the time to do so.
Felix stands.
Felix plays an advantage called a transparent round. The names of each person who cast each vote will be revealed.
Felix has also played his advantage from the auction, an eraser. This has the power to erase on playerās vote, and he has chosen Zest. Zestās vote will not count.
Felix plays an idol on Joey
Zestās vote will not count. Any votes for Joey will not count. All votes will be revealed.
One the votes are read the decision is final and the person voted out will join the jury immediately. Iāll read the votes.
Brianna votes Joey, does not count
bye boiii
Apollo votes Joey, does not count
ummm I wish I couldāve gotten to know you better
BorisĀ votes Joey, does not count
LysandreĀ votes Joey, does not count
I'm sorry bud!
ZestĀ votes Joey, does not count (twice)
joey, honestly forgot you were playing
FlintĀ votes Joey, does not count
I honestly have no idea whatās going on
MarieĀ votes Joey, does not count
nothing against you
First vote, Marie
Joey votes Marie
Hereās hoping Felix has something up his sleeve lmao
Second vote, and the second member of our jury: Marie
Felix votes Marie
You may got this round. You may not go. Whether or not you will, doesn't matter. To me, I only wanted to draw the line in the sand
Looks like we may have learned an important lesson about splitting the vote this round. An iconic player voted out in an iconic tribal. Marie, please bring me your torch.
Everyone else, head back to camp, next challenge up shortly.
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@beautifulsmilewiththosesadeyes reblogged your post and added:
I donāt think she knows honestlyā¦ if that is the treasure of T.I. and she knows its location, then the book doesnāt make any sense!
@jadedbirch replied to your post āyasae replied to your post āMy thoughts on 4x01ā...ā
She might be lying. Please let her be lying. Ā Ā
@bal-lantine reblogged your post and added:
#or ya know #what if silver didnāt tell her?#what if sheās just saying so because she thinks heās gone#and wants to cement her position within the group?#she may have no clue#sheās a tactician like the rest of them (via @thewalruscaptain) Oh, man, Iād LOVE this^^ because itād be so damn clever and also signifies that despite her grief, Madiās going to fight the fuck on. But if John really did tell her the location, Iām not sure if I read that as a betrayal of Flint. I can see John, in the early days of the alliance with the maroon camp, deciding that it was the smart thing to do to cement trust between he and Madi. Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā #though there is the question that he didn't tell Flint he'd told her...
@char7 reblogged your post and added:
Thereās also the possibility that Madi was lying. She doesnāt like or trust Flint, she sees Flint is about to reclaim power by reminding that only he knows where the cache is, so she bluffs and claims she knows, too. It also diffuses the argument between Billy and Flint. Smart move from a smart lady. Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā
@ moonykink reblogged your post and added:
Tbh, I donāt think Silver actually said Madi the location. That seems too big? Ok theyāre together but there are still too personal stuff. And betray the trust of others as simplyā¦ I think she bluffs.
Finally weāll see!
Yeah the more Iām thinking about it, the more I agree that she was buffling. It actually seems out of character for me that Silver would tell Madi without telling Flint, not when he was that worried about the previous night about his relationship with him and about them being equals.
Regarding TI, I donāt know, I think the location of the treasure has to be changed at some point bc otherwise why would Silver need a map in TI, also that apparently in TI Flint buried the treasure with 6 others and then killed those others. Though given the case, why would he give the map to fucking Billy of all people, unless does a Peter Ashe and lies trough his teeth and Flint never gave him the map inwhich case... lallalalalala Treasure Island what is treasure island never heard of that, you meant oranges, right, oranges
but yeah iām more and more convinced that Madi lied to get an advantage, to have power fo the situation bc silver was the glue that kept all of them together and omg that was a beautiful thing to write. also iām bringing in @coldwarcynicide because we discussed a lot about it.
#beautifulsmilewiththosesadeyes#jadedbirch#bal lantine#char7#moonykink#thewalruscaptain#ish#florencia replies#also kinda#florencia reblogs#but whatever#black sails#black sails spoilers
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#I dont want to shit on your posts please let me know if I'm being rude by adding my own thoughts to it#I am not always sure about tumblr etiquette
youāre not being rude at all!
iāve actually had this exact same discussion on here like what, the week after the finale aired? and the person i was talking to made the exact same argument as you, and just like back then, i still agree and disagree in equal measure.
what youāre saying makes perfect sense, and i generally agree. at the same time, the fact that james filters out everything beyond that chaste first kiss speaks to how much shame there must still be present in a way, bc he canāt seem to conceptualize their love, forehead bumps and sex and all, as sweet and pure even within the privacy of his own head. and even if we were to discard the sexual aspect, 2min of flashbacks is not a lot of screentime to give us in order to see the depth of this relationship. they used those 2min incredibly well, and iāll repeat, i ADORE all of it, theyāre my otp to rule them all, but even if we had only gotten a little more handholding, a little more conversation, how they navigated their social circle and miranda once their relationship was in full swing, iād be so happy. of course this also makes their time in london such a fucking rich and fertile ground to extrapolate. thomas, despite the naysayers, is a rly rich character, and thereās a lot of breathing space to play with, which i love. heās painted in broad strokes, but never flat, and that goes just the same for the time of their affair.
ANYWAY.
this was just on the portrayal of thomas/james. but even leaving that aside, pirate ships were full of sodomy and various shenanigans, whether the person involved identified as gay or not (remember, the exact concept of a gay/straight dichotomy as we understand it today didnāt yet exist, so it was entirely possible for men to engage sexually w each other and still consider themselvesĀ āstraightā, even if the act of buggery f.ex. was criminal - tho ofc that doesnāt negate the many men who preferred men exclusively and would likely identify as gay by modern standards). what iām saying is, it was such a missed opportunity for the camera not to casually pan past matelots making out in their hammocks, or a pirate receiving his fallen matelotās share of a prize, etc. i weep thinking of a black sails where james flint had actually consciously been confronted w a society where these sorts of bonds and intimacy between men was normalized.
... haha sorry, i have so many Feelings and iām incapable of writing anything succinct :āD i hope u donāt mind.
I KNOW Black Sails is like top tier gay representation and honestly I agree because of the way they made being gay a radical political part of story But Iām also PISSED that it could have been a bigger part of the narrative and they held back to not upset the (less queer friendly)viewers,
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