#is this rosegate

[wheelercore]

Holly and Henry both being "explorers" aka the intentionally cut scene of Henry on moving day and Holly following the lights and almost seeing the Demogorgon may be paralleled and possibly both are inspired by Danny scene with his father + going into Room 237 in The Shining.

We get these jumbled up mixture of events from Nancy's Vecna vision:

Initially I thought Henry had walked into the bathroom, but he actually walked through an open door way next to the bathroom. Not sure where that leads to, possibly the bed rooms. Regardless, when Henry walks through the door way we see the lights flicker in the bathroom, then we get a cut to future Henry finding the black widows in the vent, then it cuts back away to moving in day Henry, seeming running out of where ever he went into with jump scare music playing for a moment. We don't see what frightened Henry saw.

The mirror with the lights on either side in the Creel bathroom (see: screenshot of future Henry) is an interesting detail because The Shining does this repeatedly, particularly in the woman in the bathtub scene in Room 237.

Personally I believe it symbolizes someone's true self being revealed. Its always there in moments where Jack sees a reflection of himself.

Anyways, in s1 we got Holly venturing into Will's (?) bedroom- following the flickering lights- similar to the scenes with Henry:

Except with this scene we're actually shown Holly venture into the bedroom and seeing the Demogorgon, unlike Henry who possibility could have been frightened by something he saw in a bedroom, but we don't know yet.

Notice the line of lights on front of Danny as he walks towards the room (which are pretty intentional you realize when you watch the movie- for example as Hallorann makes his way into the hotel before he is killed, the line of chandeliers above him are off up until the very last moment before Jack jumps out and kills him). Its later revealed that the ghost of the woman (but might have actually been Jack) had choked Danny and he had bruises to show for it. The scene abruptly cute off after Danny enters, but we see later when Jack ventures into it how it looks before he gets to the bathroom:

Looks a bit similar to Holly entering Will's room except from the opposite perspective. Mind you, the scene with Danny venturing into Room 237 is right after this scene where Danny walks into the family room and find his father sitting on the bed:

^ This scene from the images looks to be a cute scene, however if you actually watched it you would notice the ominous scary music played over it. You're supposed to get the sense that Danny is in danger. In both of these scenes there are also intentionally placed mirrors in the bedrooms- both angled towards the beds. There's also a similar set up, while the beds are arranged against different walls, both bathrooms are to the right on the back wall and both entry ways into the rooms have double doors. Notice however, in the scene where Jack is venturing into Room 237, the mirror is covered by a potted plant and the restroom door is closed, unlike in the father-son scene where the mirror is reflecting Jack and the bathroom door is open. Jack only truly sees his reflection in Room 237 when he kiss the ghost.

Also in the entry way of the father-son scene there is another curved entry way into the bedroom itself- with curtains on it, reminiscent of the Room 237 bathroom with its curved entrance into the bathtub with the white shower curtain.

In the scene with Holly, there are no mirrors however if the Demogorgon coming out of the wall is meant to take the place of the Woman in the Bathtub, and that ghost serves as a mirror itself, then there's an interesting logic to follow there. Both Holly and Danny are wearing shirts with flying objects pointing upwards- Holly with her little firefly (?) and Danny with the Apollo rocket ship.

Both Holly and Henry are described as explorers, Henry in the context of both seeing his parents (Victor was reflected in the bathtub where the spiders were and his whole thing is that he killed a family- Jack Torrancecore much?) for who they truly are and also exploring the UD (which is a very interesting repetition):

Danny spends a good portion of the movie exploring the Overlook Hotel on his little tricycle.

I don't know what Henry saw on moving in day but. I might have an idea.

[you-just-got-shit-wrecked]

i just. HOW are people still complaining about Rosegate. that was fucking months ago (in campaign and real life!) and the players clearly talked about in out of character and also it was like. one of the most interesting episodes

also side note. STOP REFERRING TO POST-MONASTERY ANNABETH AS JUGTHROP. AFTER THE MONASTERY ARC SHE GOES BY ANNABETH COGFAIL put some respect on my wife's name

[capn-twitchery]

was looking through my screenshots from twitch's sunless sea run and i forgot that they wrote erotica so outlandishly depraved that it rewired this guy's kinks instantly upon reading it

[stranger-chichka]

Hi! I just saw that there is a tedgate... I read a few posts but I'm not sure I get what it means. Ted is really a nickname for Edward? Like, Edward Creel? But wasn't him a kid in 1959? Ted was like 20, right? Now that I think about it, it is interesting that Eddie isn't a teenager but a bit older, like Ted was the year of the massacre. Interesting choice. Hmm

So, what is Ted's connection with the Creels? That the Creel House was just his childhood house and that's it, or the theory is that he is a Creel? And what is his mom's (in the urn, lol) connection to the Henry's family? I'm curious

Hello and thanks for the ask!💌

These connections between the Wheelers and the Creels are crazy and I’m really excited to know is it because of Ted (aka #tedgate and #rosegate, which I don’t have a full picture of, but @boysdontcryboycry and @wheelercore might shed light on this gate more) or because of Karen (aka @aemiron-main’s theory Karen=Henry/Edward’s sister Alice/Virginia from other timeline — the timeline where Henry is called Edward, his sister Alice is called Virginia and his mother Virginia is called Alice).

We don’t know anything specific about Ted yet, however the actor who played him thinks his background could be military-related, which reminded me of Victor.

We know one of Mike’s grandmas had cancer (the UD is spreading like cancer).

I’m sure, after The First Shadow we’ll have some answers on that topic, right now we can only speculate.

[cobaltqueen]

Am i the only one who isnt all that mad at blanco?? Like sure he couldve handled that better but also the audience was SO MAD about like?? K chill

[obviouslyelementary]

This is gonna be my silly little ‘what if Greg and Rose fused’ AU where Greg and Rose fuse. XD I just love them so much, this is their first version when they first fuse and it’s a mess of colors and shapes. I imagine that for a human/gem fusion, the gem would be the most predominant until the two souls settled in a better body for them both. They are just very stocked for fusing XD I love Greg and Rose so much ;-;

[boysdontcryboycry]

something something eddie and ted sharing a name making them foils something something rocky horror picture show "eddie" and how eddie munson is sooo similar to rhps eddie

but how i'm having visions of ted clutching that teddy bear

something something eddie (homosexual) rejecting his teddy bear and rejecting society and conformity (without going too deep into his hypocrisy rn) vs ted (homosexual) clinging to his teddy bear and clinging to society and conformity, something something socioeconomic positions and the munsons being lower working class family (eddie's dad specifically mentioned engaging in criminal activity) vs the wheelers being an upper middle class "good" family

and something something about how this relates to max and mike, being two characters with "m" names that only go by their nicknames. and how max is eddie's next-door neighbor. and mike lives in the same house as ted as his son. gonna have to rewatch s4 cuz i honestly don't remember how eddie and max interacted on-screen if they did at all. oh it's the championship game vs do i get one of those cool shirts slash sarcasm. and i don't need to tell you the glut of mike and ted parallels.

no comment.

[wheelercore]

The Curious Case of The Dead Wheeler Granny

Also known as: I need to make a cohesive post that actually has context so i can add it to the ✨ master post ✨. So basically if you already know, you know. idk.

So... recently have been thinking A Lot about weird "production errors" (tm) and creel home fuckery + wheeler parallels. Its no secret that there are Many references to the creel home in the wheeler home for whatever reason, from the piano to the wedding dress to even the clock chimes (?) close to the the door way of the wheeler home.

However one of the most fascinating Choices was when the main urn that sat on the wheeler mantle place since s1 suddenly changed to a completely different urn during the convergence of the four gates at the climax of s4. What was the reason for this? It's also no secret that ST is riddled with what we can call "intentional" errors in objects, peoples positions, etc etc. But why a seemingly random object that has been sitting in the background of the home for 4 seasons w/o any special attention? And why at the important climax of the season?

Season 1

Season 4- before the climax

Season 4- after the climax

(and this isnt even to mention the fact that the wheeler dining room is covered in rose vases that mimic the OG urn)

If you reference this back to the mantle place in the Creel home... there is something quite interesting:

A few little trinkets, weirdly placed and evenly spread out. There is a little bird (dove?) statue like how the wheelers have two geese statues sitting on their mantle place. Next to that though? A strange looking golden vase. Mind you, this is happened when Virginia is having her "holding up the mirror" moment. As in this mirror is right there reflecting Virginia and this little urn-looking vase trinket and the rose-y wallpaper behind her (which is interesting given that the OG urn has pink roses on it with a framed picture of pink roses next to it).

Put the Virginia relation in your back pocket for now. Lets go up to the stuff in the Creel attic, which are heavily referenced in the wheeler home, in particular the wedding dress:

Where has have we seen a piece of a brides clothing in s4? In Suzie's home, where her sister Tabitha is wearing a wedding veil, and you guess it, a pink floral (roses? Honestly the color scheme is very similar to the creel wallpaper mentioned above) dress:

In which Tabitha pretends to die. She's not really dying. The joke here is that Tabitha's father had thought she was dying though ("it looked genuine"). And oh... is that the edge of a grandfather clock I see right outside the doorway framed right there this scene?

If I was extra weird about it I could also point out that the letter blocks on Tabitha's bracelet kind of spell out (M?)AMA. But its super blurry and I cant get a good shot of it so take this with a grain of salt:

A little sprinkle of Petergate here but Tabitha is a woman who was raised from the dead by Saint Peter:

Which I mean... If we're going to talk about lying about moms dying? The "Nanas got cancer" gag in s3 in which... Hopper lies about Mikes Nana being sick but then goes onto say:

There's nothing wrong with Nana

Mike then proceeds to repeatedly call him a liar. So... nothing's wrong with Nana? Would that explain the weird trend of people specifically lying over the phone about having a sick family member also in s3/s4?

(credit: screenshots from this @/heroesbyler post - unrelated to this theory, I just think its neat)

And if we're talking about lies:

(oh holly girl... wearing that pink + white outfit and that rose shirt lmao)

And of course: Papa lies.

(don't even get me started on how the grandfather clock most likely represents Brenner ("maybe hes a clock maker?" and s4 literally starting with Brenner setting a timer))

But this begs the question... If, by all accounts, nothing is wrong with Nana, so much so it would be like she was raised from the dead, then who's ashes do the Wheeler's have on their mantle place thinking that its their granny?

Could it be, thinking back to the weird trinket on front of the mirror in the Creel home, Virginia's ashes instead? Quick question, where exactly are Virginia and Alice buried? Did Victor get a say in his wife's funeral arrangements?

And if Nana Wheeler's death was a lie designed to conceal a truth and Papa lies... ah who am i kidding it was martin brenner. it was fucking brenner who else would do some weird shit like this. it was him.

Anyways things like this really make me question why exactly the Wheelers are one of two main families in the show. As far as I know they didn't do much in TFS, so hell, why not Patty? Bob? The Sin Claires?

Regardless, I would really like them to be kind and rewind back to whatever is going on here if you know what I mean

[hansdurrer]

As seen from Val Roseg, Switzerland, 22 Augusr 2023

[ladyinrosso]

E COSì CHE SI LANCIANO I FIORI

[hebeandersen]

Forse questo farà di me una boomer inside, ma sinceramente - anche se Amadeus ha detto che era dispiaciuto - io non ci credo alle scuse di Blanco.

Una persona che fa quel macello solo perché "volevo divertirmi e lo spettacolo deve andare avanti" senza curarsi minimamente di fare un danno e non portare rispetto a tutti i lavoratori che hanno contribuito a creare quel palco, non è abbastanza matura da dispiacersi davvero.

Ha 19 anni. È giovane, ma non è un bimbo di sette anni che non ha ancora bene cognizione di quello che fa e poi prova vergogna. Un minimo di crescita emotiva dovrebbe averla avuta.

Per cui scusate, ma le sue scuse mi sembrano solo una paraculata per salvarsi la faccia.

[evadingreallife]

No ma raga che avete capito... in realtà è che vista l'imperdonabile mancanza di materiale trash nella prima serata, Blanco ha preso in mano la situazione, creando lui stesso il trash che voleva vedere nel mondo

[havatabanca]

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[boysdontcryboycry]

angela in rosemary colors teasing someone over the death of a parent . im

[wheelercore]

"why does the Wheeler family get so much narrative importance over the Hendersons and the Sinclairs when they don't do anything?"