#ion i think that was put in kinda as a retcon

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just saw someone compare the way princess bubblegum treats finn to MAKIMA??? im sorry???

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My honest unorganized thoughts on c!wilburs ending

(2 years late)

tw: mentions of suicide

I would put my thoughts on the apology tour here too but I think that will make this post to long so i'm just going to talk about the finale stream itself.

Also this is very unorganized bc I dont really remember how it exactly played out and I could go back and watch the VOD but ion wanna hear wilburs voice so im using the wiki for this therefore I wont have intricate details

One thing I really like is the flashback at the beginning. Especially the fade from L'manburg to the destroyed L'manburg I love it sm it reminds me of Analog horror series

(That part isn't relevant tho that's just me nerding out over analog horror)

They then go to Las Nevadas to try and apologize to Q but get ghosted and im pretty sure it was bc of conflicting schedules or smth but the fact that c!tntduo never got a proper ending pisses me off to this day. LIKE wdym they never interacted ever again??? Wdym if followin the dsmp ending Quackity probably has no memory of c!wilbur??? !?!?!??!?! I rlly just wish they could've gotten some form of closure either from cc!wil or cc!quackity and sure its funny ig that Q canonically ghosted c!wilbur but still??!?!??!?! ugh anyways

Tommys outburst towards wil..."I never used to be this angry" KILLS MEEEEEEEEEEE. Also c!wilbur getting scared was so....NOT EVEN TWO SECONDS LATER tommy fucking asks "Wil, are you going to kill yourself?" FUCK?????? BRO????????????? WILBUR DENYING IT TO???? Maybe im wrong here but I dont ever remember other characters acknowledging c!wilbur being suicidal and esp the fact it was c!tommy UGH it kills me

Now getting to my criticisms a little bit, I don't like the utah and gas station thing at all. It feels just so random? Out of place even. I would've liked it more if it was just a desert where c!wilbur was from or something

Then wilburs goes to leave blah blah blah don't trust those americans yada yada

Oh but C!tommy asking c!wilbur to forgive the most important person (himself) then a few minutes later we get "I never did forgive myself"OUGDHSHSGHDGDSHUSHGHUHB

Okay now im going to lay out my main criticisms I have with the finale and why I think it was somewhat unsatisfying and we c!wilbur fans were kinda fucked over in the end

-We should've gotten a VERBAL apology to c!tommy

I understand c!wilbur was afraid of losing him or whatever but it would've shown SO MUCH GROWTH FROM HIM IF HE OUTLOUD SAID "Im sorry" TO THE PERSON HE HURT MOST. Im pissed that presumably cc!wilbur decided not to have that happen. Even if it was bad JUST DO IT. c!wilbur was going to leave anyways so him being scared of losing c!tommy if he apologized wouldn't matter!

My next point is that c!wilbur leaving wasn't thought out enough I think. I do personally think c!wilbur should've left the place that ruined him to heal. That's step one of learning to heal but with the apology tour being a flop and him never verbally apologizing to c!tommy it felt unsatisfying and almost underserved and I see why so many people afterward were like "he doesn't just get to leave". What would've helped I think would've been more streams or longer streams if possible. There was so much shit that needed to be retconned but it wasn't given enough time I feel and thats why to so many ppl they were unsatifyed/upset

Going more into the utah shit. I hate it. I hate the "Plot twist" of him being secretly american and from utah. Not even getting into how the real world is now apparently canon to the dsmp in one of the last few dsmp lore streams. I honestly would've liked it more if it wasn't specifically named what the place was instead it was just home. I also had this idea of instead of him disappearing in the middle of the ocean I think it would've been cooler if c!wilbur took a train somewhere almost like a callback to limbo.

I don't like how its somewhat implied c!wilbur killed himself again. It feels cheap to kill of a already heavily suicidal character AGAIN when instead it genuinely could've been a story about how you can learn to heal and forgive yourself even if you did bad things. Maybe this is just me not wanting my favorite character to die but I don't like it at all

Ghostbur was also handled terribly. I understand why alivebur hated him but I also think it would've shown growth if he learned to accept ghostbur in the end. Even if it wasn't fully

Also why the fuck did we never get the contents of the book c!wilbur gave c!tommy?? You throw that shit in just to never tell us what's in it almost 2 years later??

Final thoughts

I might go back and edit this later with more things but for my final thoughts I think c!wilburs finale +the apology tour was a big unsatisfying flop and I belive c!wilbur fans were unfairly fucked over in the end.

Not to sing brighton biter praise, but I do believe he was a good writer and the fact that the last few streams were this unsatisfying is disappointing coming from him. I mean im sure he just wanted to get c!wilburs finale out so he could be done with it but that's not an excuse for fucking your fans over. There was also probably issues with other ccs and characters since (Imo) a lot of the characters he interacted with in the end don't have the best writing (not meant to insult the ccs btw, just saying)

But personally, I somewhat accept it simply bc this is the best we got and I personally don't like alot of other fan re writes on his ending and I also don't like his ending just being "lol he killed himself again"

Anyways that's it, sorry for being unorganized and I apologize if I got anything wrong I might add more to this later. Thx for listening <3

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catoadie replied to your post “I would just comment but i think this might get too long okay sOOOOO...”

You made the lanterns sound interesting... I’d always written them off as somewhat boring, so that’s pretty neat to see

OOH BOY THIS IS ALL THE EXCUSE I NEED TO INFODUMP OKAY SO 7 CORPS THERE ARE oh also they all have eldritch abominations personifying emotionthat they draw their power from lmfao and it follows light color theory which is fun

so Red Lantern Corps yeah i just talked about they’re at the one end and their eldritch abomination is The Butcher, a giant red demon bull thing next to them is

Agent Orange, the one-man Orange Lantern Corps., his ring runs on avarice and he’s really cool cause he was already a greedy son of a bitch but the orange light of Avarice (oh eldritch abomination Ophidian, a giant snake) makes you go crazy with greed and hoard it all to yourself and go around sapping the power out of other lanterns and killing them. His “Orange Lantern Corps.” is made of orange light constructs of the people that he’s drained

Yellow Lantern Corps, Sinestro Corps is uh god fuck this one’s complex what’s the really short version uhhhh their Eldritch Abomination, Parallax, is a gross lizard-bug-parasite thing that runs on fear and was sapping the power out of the main Green Lantern power battery and made Hal Jordan go insane for a little bit it-it’s not important point is they exorcised it and it found this guy Sinestro, who defected from the Green Lanterns due to reasons of being a fascist piece of shit. So he took his power from Parallax and became the first Yellow Lantern, who run on fear. Their rings are unique because they don’t run on their users’ fear, they run on fear their user inspires in others, the fear of the people around them and yeah they’re p much fascist assholes and the Green Lanterns’ main nemesis 

Green Lanterns are just based on willpower, they’re pH neutral of the emotional spectrum, their eldritch abomination is a giant whale shark thing called Ion, and yeah they can make light constructs as powerful as the users’ will and anything their imagination can conjure up and they’re a peacekeeping force made by the Guardians

Blue Lanterns, two of the Guardians defected because The Guardians are all about that pH neutral emotional thing and they’re kinda like Jedi in that way but two of them found that was stupid bullshit and founded The Blue Lanterns, who run on hope. Blue Lanterns can’t really do a whole lot without a Green Lantern by their side, because somethingsomething hope does nothing without the willpower to act something, but together they’re incredibly powerful. ALSO the blue light of hope is one of like two things that can cure a Red Lantern so they can take their ring off without dying. You might have seen the Blue Lantern Corgi meme, which is adorbs. Eldritch abomination Adara, a terrifying three-headed bird thing which doesn’t scream hope to me but eh

The Indigo Tribe, this one is FASCINATING so Green Lantern runs into Sinestro (as we established, a real piece of shit) in an Indigo uniform with in an Indigo ring that runs on compassion, and he’s like “Yeah i’ve reformed i’m penitent and i’m good now i do good deeds to make up for my hideously awful past” and the WEIRD thing is he actually seems really sincere about it so Hal does a little digging and it turns out ALL of the Indigo Tribe are like former serial baby-curbstompers and puppy rapists and shit and he’s like “what the fuck?!” Turns out the Indigo eldritch abomination is called The Proselyte, and it’s a Lovecraft Squid thing that, kinda like the Orange ring on the opposite side of the spectrum, changes the user’s personality. Difference is, the Orange ring just amplifies what’s already there, Indigo light finds people with no conscience and forces one on them. It forces them to feel remorse for their actions and compassion for others. This is, for some reason, treated like a bad thing because yadda yadda brainwashing yadda yadda I can redeem him withouuuut an Indigo Riiiinngg I need a neeeemessiiiisss waaaahhh. Anyway they’re the ones about whom the least is known and they’ve been seen the least. 

Yeah Hal literally makes them let Sinestro go which is fucking W I L D to me but w/e

And finally, the Star Sapphires, or Violet Lanterns. These are the....the fucking continuity here is so god damned snarled but basically The Guardians are volcels. Actually they’re MGTOW. The females of their species were like “this Jedi shit is....stupid,” and went to harness the power of the Violet Light of Love. They are basically all female. The writer has said men CAN join, but are very VERY VERY rarely worthy which is hilarious to me. Anyway, they found this magical star sapphire with the power of love in it, oh yeah violet eldritch abomination is thE FUCKING PREDATOR, A GIANT XENOMORPH LOOKING DRAGON THING WHICH ???? but w/e anyway at first, they kept trying to put the gem into whoever their Queen was at the time, including at one point Green Lantern’s ex gf, but being at the far end of the emotional spectrum, it had an unfortunate tendency to drive people insane. SO Star Sapphire WAS a villain way back in the day in a very embarrassing FUCK MEN AND FUCK U 4 NOT DATING ME way, this was before all this emotional spectrum canon was established it’s just been explained by retcons anywho they split the gem into power rings so it did not drive people crazy and made the Star Sapphires and they’re good guys now. Also they can crystallize people?

Oh I guess the Predator is like it wants to protect love a bit ViOLeNTly and Does Not Like Men which is valid

Also there’s this bloke Nekron who’s just the grim reaper but evil and he wants to kill everything and makes The Black Lantern Corps. which is made up of the re-animated dead, who seek out people who loved them in life and eat their hearts out and all the Lantern Corps. have to join forces to beat him and they make like a White Lantern Corps which runs on life and yadda yadda

It is fun though I like how Rage and Love are Red and Violet, then as you get closer to the middle it’s Greed and Compassion, Fear and Hope, and then just pure willpower. Oh yeah also the Violet Light of Love can restart a Red Lantern’s heart. D’awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.