#in being a long dead mythologised ancestor and a living relic set on nothing outliving him

[mayasaura]

Kiriona said that if she killed Alecto, she would be John's cavalier. That's so interesting to me, because it's the one relationship we've never seen in a necrocav pairing. We've had siblings, lovers, cousins, best friends, coworkers, uncles, servants, and whatever the fuck Babs and Ianthe had going on, but never a parent and child.

Unless.

We still don't know what Samael and Anastasia's relationship was, but we do know now that Anastasia was already a mother before the ascension. Pyrrha painted a nursery for her.

It would be very interesting if Samael had been Anastasia's son.

[pumpkingrumpkin]

#Anastasia and John are already set up to contrast #in being a long dead mythologised ancestor and a living relic set on nothing outliving him#so if John really did offer to make Kiriona his cavalier #and Samael was Anastasia's child #there is space for another fascinating parallel here in whatever Kiriona and John make of that offer next book#anastasia dedicated her death and her legacy to avenging her cavalier #she may even be responsible for sacrificing that legacy to create Harrow as a last-ditch pass at freeing Alecto #and if I'm right about that then there's a grim poetry to it #sacrificing every son and daughter of her House to avenge the son she refused to sacrifice

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Kiriona said that if she killed Alecto, she would be John's cavalier. That's so interesting to me, because it's the one relationship we've never seen in a necrocav pairing. We've had siblings, lovers, cousins, best friends, coworkers, uncles, servants, and whatever the fuck Babs and Ianthe had going on, but never a parent and child.

Unless.

We still don't know what Samael and Anastasia's relationship was, but we do know now that Anastasia was already a mother before the ascension. Pyrrha painted a nursery for her.

It would be very interesting if Samael had been Anastasia's son.

[chaos-has-theories]

#Anastasia and John are already set up to contrast#in being a long dead mythologised ancestor and a living relic set on nothing outliving him#so if John really did offer to make Kiriona his cavalier#and Samael was Anastasia's child#there is space for another fascinating parallel here in whatever Kiriona and John make of that offer next book#anastasia dedicated her death and her legacy to avenging her cavalier#she may even be responsible for sacrificing that legacy to create Harrow as a last-ditch pass at freeing Alecto#and if I'm right about that then there's a grim poetry to it#sacrificing every son and daughter of her House to avenge the son she refused to sacrifice

Putting the tags in here before I add my two cents:

I absolutely adore this theory, but I'm not sure if it can work out. Because it only works if either

a) Samael already had children of his own, and Anastasia was a grandmother

or

b) Samael had at least one sibling.

Because we know that Harrow is descended directly from Anastasia.

That parallel between Gideon and Samael and the 200 dead is fascinating and devastating, but I posit one other possible parallel:

If Anastasia had a different child - Samael's sibling, or his child too, or whatever it is - well. They share one experience with Harrow, at least.

Anastasia let herself be walled into the tomb to keep that door closed. Harrow's parents killed themselves because she opened it.

Both of them were left to lead a dying house alone.

Kiriona said that if she killed Alecto, she would be John's cavalier. That's so interesting to me, because it's the one relationship we've never seen in a necrocav pairing. We've had siblings, lovers, cousins, best friends, coworkers, uncles, servants, and whatever the fuck Babs and Ianthe had going on, but never a parent and child.

Unless.

We still don't know what Samael and Anastasia's relationship was, but we do know now that Anastasia was already a mother before the ascension. Pyrrha painted a nursery for her.

It would be very interesting if Samael had been Anastasia's son.