#im donna troy bitch.

[cleromancy]

[troythings]

tbh i actually….agree with this, aside from the whole nazism thing. it’s not new, it’s not as foreign in american society like people think. 2017 wasn’t so unexpected if we look at our own history. but yeah we need more stories where diana is represented in that military, overall human rights setting.

devastation, from eric luke’s run, was effective because she was just that. devastation. her job is to spread discord and violence and she planned on utilizing a group of accelerationist nuclear-armed terrorists to achieve her goal of complete, utter destruction. she was created in the same clay fashion to be the opposite of diana. having an “opposite” of diana be that, that really says something. and before that, luke wrote “the bearing of the soul” as a one-shot of diana attempting to resolve conflict in a war zone. and he wrote it respectfully.

then we had a similar character genocide, the “walking war crime” from gail simone’s run, made a really distinct impression because we had a character that actually embodied everything diana stands against. by nature, diana is against war and the murder of innocent people. but genocide was diana’s corpse from the future embued with the soil of past genocides, and gail simone was actually smart about this. the commentary was “we said ‘never again’ but we’re actually big fucking hypocrites about future genocides because this thing wouldn’t exist without them.” we got diana at her best: someone who fights for peace and a universal common good.

and tbh?? the third volume of wonder woman was actually a nice exploration of the old 1940s, typical american concept without being too heavy handed. thanks tom king. we had the diana prince “affiliated with the government” identity, diana siding with the americans in amazons attack because she knows aggression when she sees it and isn’t loyal to just one group of people, diana “living as an american but having the full stubbornness of the amazon race”..yk, it just felt classic.

also tempted to add the 1st volume of wonder woman odyssey here since it tackled that concept of genocide and war crimes again, especially the banality of it. and it was written by JMS, who had a scumfuck nazi war criminal for a father and again. he knew what he was talking about. meredith finch’s run with the new 52 donna troy was also this, having a moral opposite of diana being “a personification of hatred and fear.”

where it all becomes a sheer fucking mess is when inexperienced or just plain stupid (yes im using the word stupid) try to tackle this theme and im gonna say steve orlando is the prime example here. weird liberal orange man bad dude with selective compassion depending whether or not you support the current good guy party, somehow this mf still gets work.

he reduces genocide and devastation, who have these rich character histories, into average baddies that get pummeled wah wah wah. he attempts to write out a redemption arc for paula von gunther and gives her the typical “baby saved from a burning building” origin when really…i think diana of all people, knowing that she had to kill genocide and devastation in the previous continuity, would recognize that paula here is a lost cause who should’ve been thrown into the fire because one point of nazism is to fuck like rabbits and produce more of themselves. but noooope, he’s like “nah maybe this bitch ass has a point, just gotta look deep into your heart uwu.”

and as if that’s not bad enough hahaha, he decides to drag donna into his fantasy fulfillment in some kind of pseudo operation iraqi freedom/arab spring bullshit, in 2023 with again, “family nazis” in it because that’s apparently the only thing people actually give a shit out and we have to resort to overdone black and white propaganda like this. like alright tough guy, go read up on the boer internments and say something about the china concentration camps if you really give a shit and aren’t just writing some stupid “hahaha nazis” fantasy. which is funny because he’s said nothing about actual human rights abuse and is all like waaaaahh republicans. and worst part tbh, people like this kind of crap.

but yeah TLDR, old concepts with diana are good, handling it like shit is bad.

Wonder Woman is similar where she spent the most of her first comics fighting Nazis and random enemies of the state with onlya few big named "Supervillains", most of which had no powers at all. I think that really is her sweet spot as a character which is dealing with national threats, military, intelligence, and war. It's a shame she lost her Diana Prince Id and that job at the intelligence agency because its literally so important to her character and sets her entire story up like any secret ID would.

This isn't to take away from her crazy villains and all there different areas like occultism, psychology, etc. because she has a whole range of influences that have been wiped away or rarely get brought up but she was so clearly a well defined hero from the beginning with clear influences and themes that go far beyond anything anyone ever brings up about her which is usually just the gender stuff, which is important, but even that is badly represented and misunderstood.

I think the great thing about Wonder Woman though is that although WW2 was really important to the formation of her character, its not necessarily something she needs to have for her to work. There are always international conflicts, issues, military spats, etc. that can inspire her to leave her island and to go into that weird world of her with no issue. The threat of War always exist so the character always has a reason to leave even in times of relative international peace since there is always a problem or something that can be made up.

Comics rarely write on topical modern issues the way they did in the past anyway so there's very little reason to wait until there is another crazy event to find inspiration for her character.

Just reading her comics and looking at her character i think someone that genuinely wants to modernize the character for today could have a ball doing research on all these things Marston wrote and trying to configure them properly in modern day while keeping the character in tact.

Seeing a modern day Priscilla Rich as whatever young New York socialites look like now would be a lot of fun, maybe she's the biggest name in New York and all the other socialites on whatever their scene looks like, maybe reality tv shows, boarding schools, charity events, etc. all talk about her with such amazement coming from a super wealthy family and having her hand in a bit of everything while she is secretly dealing with deep mental issues that are brought on by her jealousy of Diana

Seeing Etta Candy or the Holliday Girls in a modern sorority from a small local elite womens college/university helping out in war efforts.

Dr. Psycho going back to his roots of using hypnotism, ectoplasm, occult practice, and his position as a respected doctor with a crazy past to be a menance to people.

Paula Von Gunther in modern day with the rise of Nazism apparently in the US and how that would look could be a fun story

Doctor Poison being behind a massive outbreak or illness similar to Covid and all the poltics behind that......maybe she needed to find a way to stifle people while she cooks something up worse, start political outbreak, etc.

Like there is so much there and its really fun to think about

[cuethe-laughtrack]

Ok so I know literally nothing of marvel comics outside of what I’ve watched in tv and movies, but I was scrolling through tiktok and saw something about the ‘hellfire gala’? In which a bunch of characters got dressed up and fancy like. So uh… now I’m drawing DC characters all dressed up like they’re going somewhere fancy.

[dinlustrisarchive]

guys ---- GUYS GUYS GUYS DONNA AND DICK IN NIGHTWING 75 BY TRAVIS G MOORE

[drmirage]

[detectivenightwing]

I will always hate that line "I'm Donna Troy bitch" cause its so jarring and obviously unlike Donna.

[dickgreyson]

Donna Troy?

how am i meant to insult her im. ok. 

bitch became like a space faring incel for like a thousand years and that was pretty weird. she’s too kind its gonna get her killed one day. she has shitty choice in friends.

send me a character and ill insult them

[cespool]

Titans Ep 8

- Just by seeing the ep title I think Im going to like this ep

- Okay so the JL are a thing here sO aliens are common-ish knowledge?

- Donna and Dick are so adorable and just jdjdbdudhs

- We stan the brotp between the two sidekicks

- Have I mentioned how much I love Donna Troy because I love her so much????

- How old are the babies here? Isn't Rach like 13? (Assuming its set in 2018 when it was released)

- I dont get how the genetics work, Angela's brunette, Trigon has white hair and Rae has black hair????

- Glad the asylum has lasting consequences cos what happened there was no joke

- HA we still have 3 episodes Dick! Lots of shits still going to happen, also do you really believe that blowing up the HQ will stop those crazy freaks?

- Also I thought you promised to not leave Rachel and here you are leaving her???

- SHIT THAT HUG GOODBYE FUUUUUCK MY HEART UUUUUWUUUUUUU

- Also once again rip Dick's Porsche, he still has that damn mini van

- Oh mY GOD IM IN LOVE

- I LOVE DONNA TROY OH MY GOD

- Oof the icky effects but alas TV budget

- I love their dynamic and I love Donna Troy

- Wait woah wait a moment, is titans!Dick not the social butterfly whos friends with every single person cos he thrives off attention????

- "You could use some work on your small talk" Bitch the fuck??? Ok guess the previous statement was proven true and Im not a fan

- Okay I dont like how none of the trauma my babies endured last ep hasnt been touched upon at all

- Is it bad that I dont trust Angela?

- I dont know about you but spending 5 years in an asylum getting tortured takes more than a day to get over so yeah I dont trust her

- OH MY GOSH THEY HAVENT FORGOTTEN TRAUMATIC THINGS HAPPENED LAST EP!

- I hate being reminded that BB can only turn into a tiger

- BBRae stays winning!

- I really dont like how chill they are with killing here, did they forget that first and foremost this a superhero show?

- Oh god why is Dick bad at small talk???? Its cute but so ooc man

- OH SHIT DONNA HASNT QUIT YET HASNT SHE

- What the fuck is happening? Donna????

- Oh so is Donna's side gig kinda like people sending receipts to tea channels and accounts?

- DICK YOU DUMB SHIT YOU DUMB DUMB LITTLE SHIT

- BE NIGHTWING BE NIGHTWING BE NIGHTWING BE NIGHTWING

- God I hate the fact that Dick is shit at small talk here

- I LOVE THEIR DYNAMIC OKAY

- ALSO ALSO not cool Donna! Dont you know its cellphone etiquette to not swipe when youre in someone's gallery smh

- Gar's a lightweight and its adorable!

- Wait just realized, is Dick still a cop for Detroit?

- Wait if Kory regains her memories will she be more like comic!Kory or is she still going to be the same?

- SHIT OH FUCKKKKKKK OH WOW OKAY THAT OH WOW

[deafeningmiraclepenguin]

I truly do not understand why people hate Dawn and Hank from Titans. I love both of them. I feel like they were added to the show because 1. Dick has 5 years worth of history with them. 2. He probably wanted to reconcile with them both after the whole Jericho mess. And 3. He had no experience dealing with a teenaged girl so he probably went to visit Hank and Dawn for help. They actually are in the Titans show because I'm pretty sure they are OG titans in the comics. (I think that's right) Plus they stuck around for season two because it mainly focuses on the Titans 5 years ago. I also hate it when people argue "Doves not meant to be violent" Im sorry, bitch is she just meant to stand there and get hurt? She is a superhero. Beating criminals up is literally what she does. She might embody nonviolence but I really think it means that she and Hawk balance eachother out. She is probably one of the most compassionate characters on the show. Don't get me wrong, I love every character equally, but nobody really makes and comments on Donna Troys addition. Adding Hank and Dawn just feels necessary to me. They're old friends of Dicks and it makes sense to add them. But yeah, that's my rant done

[chaseestein-archive-blog]

i knew there would be nothing in the donna troy x reader tag but i still looked bc im an optimistic bitch

[moonlightperseus]

anyways season 1 donna troy i love you

[escriimatiic-archive-blog]

Well, it looks like I’ve hit several milestones all at once here, so consider this my bias list/follow forever for my 200+ followers, my one month, and my thousandth post. 

So, I want to start this by saying OMG GUYS STAAAAHP!! When I came to a new fandom, the third I’m juggling rping in at the same time, I expected the usual quiet first week and things to pick up the following weeks, but that was not the case. Since I’ve shown up people have consistently come here and have shown my nothing but love and support the whole way and I’m so blown away by it all. 

I honestly can’t thank you all enough for this, I didn’t expect to be this successful on a character already so well represented here and I certainly didn’t expect to become friends with so many of you so quickly. 

My main fam (that I probably ruin with ship feels on a daily basis)

@thatgreengirlfrommars We only just met and we’ve really only talked a little bit, but in that short time you’ve let me ruin you with my ship feels and they’re taking me over bit by bit. You made the mistake of saying shippy was good around me and now you’re never escaping my grasp and I’ll always be here storming you with cute things, maybe angsty things... and probably a bit of NSFW things cause I now have a need for these two and you’re the only one to talk to about it so... whoops... sorry. 

@troia-donna-troy We’ve only talked a little bit and it’s mostly been about rping so I really don’t know you that well, but I do know that Donna and Dick are the cutest little beans ever and I adore this so much. They’re absolutely amazing and you willingly offered to enter this hell of shipping with me so thanks for that. It’s only a matter of time before I’m in your IMs 99% of the time talking about a million things with these two and never shutting up.

@canary-noir I really don’t know anything about you and we’ve only talked a tiny bit but I put you here because you were one of the filthy enablers that told me to make that Ollie blog and one of the few of them I can actually rp with since they have canon interactions. So, thanks for rekindling my love of Oliver Queen and pushing me to make the blog, I’m sure it’ll be fun.

@nottheheroyouwanted CASPER YOU ARE SO GREAT!! Honestly, I don’t know how to start other than saying that I hope you’re feeling better. You have become a treasured friend and of course one of the recipients of my shipping hell. Whenever we talk I can’t stop smiling and it always ends in us having cute things with these two. Honestly, you’re so great and I love you to death and I hope you get better and come back soon because I miss rping with you. 

@thebrokenrobin Honestly, to think we started out with you thanking me for following you back is kinda bizarre, it feels like we’ve been friends for years. Seriously, we talked so much for a while and you’re the kindest bean ever. You kept shoveling me angst and I kept trying to deal with it but it just ended in the DickBabs sitcom and I’m not even sure how I kept doing it, I just did. But anyway, thanks for putting up with my ass.

@perfectforayear GUILI! Where do I even start? We’ve practically been IMing for like 2 weeks straight at this point and I don’t want it to stop. It’s almost never about us but it is always about these two and they’re the cutest. It kills me how you’re just as into this as I am and I love that I don’t have to run in there being all excited to get something out of you because you do it to me and just UGH! It’s so great when you get to ship with someone as happy about it as you are.

@ofamazonia Don’t even ask me why I chose to put you on this portion of the list, there’s just something about our interactions that makes you stick out enough that I wanted to. I know next to nothing about you and we’ve only had awkward kisses between our muses but I adore you and your portrayal and hope we continue our strange half romance half mother-son thing forever because I love it to death. 

@stillabat OMG Do I even need to say anything? Seriously, you give me DickBabs and you straight up offered to do it, I don’t mean subtle hints you just straight up told my ass to ship with you and I can’t tell you how much it made me smile. I expected to have to look for someone to give me my otp feels for so much longer but within the first week we met and started doing it and I just can’t stop. I adore these two nerds and always have a million things in my head about them. 

@darkmeditation Out of all the people I talk to, I probably talk to you about personal life things the most. Honestly, you’re so damn nice and I can’t help but smile at the thousand cute nicknames you give everyone. I can’t get over the fact that yesterday you just kinda opened the door to my shipping hell yourself and were like “Bring it the fuck on bitch” because usually I’m the one doing that to other people. I adore these two in all their shippy glory and I’m sure I’ll have tons of cute things, a few angsty things and probably NSFW things too because I have no chill. 

@ms-feline-fatale Um, I don’t have too much to say, but I wanted to say stuff cause you’re always so nice to me and have been here since day one. I can’t even get over how awesome you’ve been to me ever since I showed up here and even wanted me to be your main? Like I was blown away. Also the fact that Dick lowkey admitted to having a childish crush and you were just like “DO IT BITCH” still astounds me. So thanks for all the love and support and eventually we’ll have seriousish things. Also, I know it’s my turn on our thread, I’m just slow as shit.

@bleedingpurple AMY!! We’ve only talked a but due to you leaving to do that play, but I love you so much dammit! You’re so great, so nice and just my kind of weird. You gave me DICKSTEPH and I’m such a whore for DickSteph it’s not funny. I didn’t even have to like talk it over or anything you were just like “I’m down” and I’m so damn glad to have someone to join me in my sassy, rare pair hell here. Soon we’ll have to do shippy things and enjoy them so damn much. 

@rxsurrxcted I don’t know what to say about you other than you were literally in my first 5 followers and are now the reason I see Dick and Jason as Sam and Dean forever and I can never take that back so thanks and fuck you at the same time you fuck that I love. 

@onlytalia​ We’ve never talked and normally I’d just throw you with the others I haven’t talked with but I just wanted to say how you were my first Talia and I’m such a GODDAMN WHORE for her and Dick’s aesthetic/interactions so thanks for that. You’ll now have me constantly loving you forever even if Talia is just a constant bitch to him, deal with it.

my main shits that I’m always doing shit with 

@flashgotthis | @doctorinsxnity | @theredwonder | @cassies-comics | @thedarkempath | @redxbird | @addictarcher | @arkhamgenesis | @whizkcd | @capedfound | @selfdxfined | @b-atmans | @cxttingties | @vcspertiilio | @domigerium | @twerpzilla​

the people I am totally lowkey stalking and want to do things with cause I adore your shit so damn much (chances are I have a million shippy things in my head and I’ll just never tell you)

@fishnetisms​ | @offershope​ | @notbctmcn | @elextrospeed | @zatannazannataz | @felisfemina | @her-own-rules | @highxflyer | @dawian | @foundwonder | @etnonhominibus | @headofghul | @ofredcapes/@bethewhitecanary | @dawnoftroy | @sicutxfur | @keystone-city-speedster | @grrlwonder | @ofscarllet | @priincesswarrior | @americanalien | @amazonchosen | @magictricked | @heroheart | @crimsxnbolt