#if they hadnt of been racist bigots

[shoezuki]

You don't have to publish this one cause its sensitive, but the overreliance of tone indicators is also causing a lack of critical thinking and causing people to not be able to read context clues. Ppl have been saying blatantly racist and bigoted things and if they put /j or /s it is suddenly ok. I have seen people be unable to read sarcasm that is so think it might be concrete because there were no indicators. This is how people who know the language of in groups are able to inflitrate. 1//

honestly yea anon i really agree w u like. i was gon talk something bout tone indicators cuz i been thinkin a them a Lot Too

like. i have found quite often tone indicators just lead to confusing me way more than helping me understand tone n shit cuz so often now ppl use tone indicators like a free pass to say whatever they want be it nasty shit or being rude and disrespectful, and act like tacking a /j or /s /lh on that shit completely eliminates the severity of their own words. i feel ppl use tone indicators as a way to like. not have to think critically of words and intentions all the time. like the use of tone indicators has become from a way to know if someone is mad or not in their text to making it so the words themselves dont need to be understood or considered as long as theres tone indicators. its like. a way to just take things at face value without deeper consideration of words and intentions, or a way to say whatever shit you want without repercussions

a lot of ppl have used difficulty with understanding tone and intents through text, something we All can really struggle with, and now just use it so they dont need to look for context or the bigger situation. just like w tommy's video like u said. him not putting a tone indicator doesnt suddenly make him serious either? like its completely obvious theyre friends. but ppl can just say 'well he's serious now because he didnt put a tone indicator and he actually does hate techno'. ppl jus twist tone indicators away from their actual intents and meanings so they can make out whatever they want from other ppls words

n like. how you brought up that fucked up ppl could easily use such to their advantage. yea i hadnt fucking thought bout that but youre so fucking right like thats scary shit. whats stoppin actual horrible ppl from using tone indicators us like ppl on twitter so often do?

like. whats the difference between a homophobe saying 'gay men are disgusting' vs 'gay men are disgusting /lh' in qrts to someone openly gay like velvet? would ppl jus let the second one pass when its literally still homophobic? id say probably

[rainyboo-posts]

So okay this is long but here is some context for what I'mma say: I am in a DnD campaign with friends and tonight's campaign got fucking wild with murder.

So I play a Tiefling Skeleton Cleric of the Death Domain. Basically I worship a death god Chemosh, god of the undead so I can heal the fellow skeleton members with healing spells that say they shouldn't work on undead. Grand and cool, right? Oh she also had a hat of disguising on so she didn't look like a skeleton.

We went shopping and were at a magic shop. There were these two asshole Elves screaming at each other in the backroom and a Tiefling attendant just narrowly dodging some weapons while being cut up by the rest. And he was fucking hurt. So I went up and healed him.

WELL THE BARDA DECIDED HE NEEDED MAGICAL RAPIERS. So the attendant goes back to ask his if they have any and the owners get fucking pissed. So they throw a longsword and it cuts the attendant on the shoulder before lodging into a door across the marketplace. The attendant comes back and says no. We go on with shopping.

AND THEN THE BARD ASKS IF HE CAN SPECIAL ORDER MAGICAL RAPIERS. Now, the reason they got pissed off in the first place was because they were all like, "WHAT ARE OUR WEAPONS NOT GOOD ENOUGH? GO TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF AND SELL THOSE DAMNED WEAPONS YOU TIEFLING". So when the attendant asked this question, they got pissed and slurs were thrown around.

Just a pause on the story to talk about my Tiefling for a second for some bg. She was brought back from the dead with really no memories outside of 3. One with a previous party, one where said previous party dies, and one where she dies. Outside of that she knows fucking nothing, and I am also with her on that.

Well the night before she was bunking with this NPC that brought her back to life as well as some of the party and I rolled a nat20 on a perception check that I thought was going to lead to an ambush. Instead she realized just how alike she and this NPC look and she was fucking floored. She didn't say anything but she has been stewing in it.

So now back to the store with slurs being thrown around. She had moved to stand behind the Tiefling and he now has a giant hole in his tail from a lance being thrown through it and is scurrying away. So she pulls out her cool new +1 war hammer she just bought (we're at lvl 3 for context) and goes in there to have a convo and maybe rough them up.

And then our warlock casts fog cloud to steal some cool stuff unseen. Well I make rolls at disadvantage in the store to attack these fucking assholes and, low and behold, they have really low hit points. Like so low that I killed both of them with one hit with my shiny new toy. And everyone is fucking dumbfounded. (They also had like 10 AC? Like I rolled a 5 and I could hit them, it was a lil not fair). So umm... on the second attack Chemosh, her god, or at least I'm assuming (she doesn't remember his voice so she is lost as am I), guides her towards the killing blow and 10 damage killed him?

Any way the Tiefling attendant was like, "you're gonna go to jail fuck lemme just-" and then he proceeded to blow up the shop.

Any way the bard is not happy with me even though she had every right to be offended and upset because part of why she ended up a cleric was because she had been dropped off at a temple of Chemosh as an infant and so, even alive, she never knew her family.

So any way we now have a Tiefling friend and she is going to be protecting him and probably help him find a job and threaten the owners that if she comes back and he is horribly mistreated she will kick their ass and burn down their place of business. That's my plan going forward at least, and the DM is just floored atm. He's like "how... how did this happen" AND EVERYONE AGREED THAT IT WAS THE BARD'S FAULT. And the bard was all, "well wait-" but like?? Clearly the shop owners were assholes and were already upset about not selling what was up front already, so why in the hell would they not get upset about asking for a custom order when they supposedly had really good weapons already at the front of the store? And clearly the Tiefling got hurt every time he went back to talk to them SO WHY WOULD YOU EVEN RISK ASKING.

Any way rant over but I was justified in unintentional murder and the bard is at fault for pushing her to the edge. With the now family crisis going on in her head and the fact that she was now witnessing a kind of racism that she doesn't explicitly remember but is engrained in her mind, it all just pushed her to attack. And it's not my fault that they had the HP of a kitten. If anything that speaks poorly of them as blacksmiths, right? Plus they were bigots and threw some slurs at her when she went to confront them.

TL;DR: my Tiefling Skeleton cleric accidentally killed two guys she intended to beat up to teach some manners to after they abused their Tiefling store attendant and called him slurs. And I was justified.

[realtalkingpoints]

From sebgorka.com. The response from Nick Sandmann, the high schooler involved in the protest video from the Lincoln Memorial that went viral and misrepresented in the news media. Please read...

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Our Take Jan 22, 2019

The Incredible Response from Nick Sandmann of Covington Catholic High School

I am providing this factual account of what happened on Friday afternoon at the Lincoln Memorial to correct misinformation and outright lies being spread about my family and me.

I am the student in the video who was confronted by the Native American protestor. I arrived at the Lincoln Memorial at 4:30 p.m. I was told to be there by 5:30 p.m., when our busses were due to leave Washington for the trip back to Kentucky. We had been attending the March for Life rally, and then had split up into small groups to do sightseeing.

When we arrived, we noticed four African American protestors who were also on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. I am not sure what they were protesting, and I did not interact with them. I did hear them direct derogatory insults at our school group.

The protestors said hateful things. They called us “racists,” “bigots,” “white crackers,” “faggots,” and “incest kids.” They also taunted an African American student from my school by telling him that we would “harvest his organs.” I have no idea what that insult means, but it was startling to hear.

Because we were being loudly attacked and taunted in public, a student in our group asked one of our teacher chaperones for permission to begin our school spirit chants to counter the hateful things that were being shouted at our group. The chants are commonly used at sporting events. They are all positive in nature and sound like what you would hear at any high school. Our chaperone gave us permission to use our school chants. We would not have done that without obtaining permission from the adults in charge of our group.

At no time did I hear any student chant anything other than the school spirit chants. I did not witness or hear any students chant “build that wall” or anything hateful or racist at any time. Assertions to the contrary are simply false. Our chants were loud because we wanted to drown out the hateful comments that were being shouted at us by the protestors.

After a few minutes of chanting, the Native American protestors, who I hadn’t previously noticed, approached our group. The Native American protestors had drums and were accompanied by at least one person with a camera.

The protestor everyone has seen in the video began playing his drum as he waded into the crowd, which parted for him. I did not see anyone try to block his path. He locked eyes with me and approached me, coming within inches of my face. He played his drum the entire time he was in my face.

I never interacted with this protestor. I did not speak to him. I did not make any hand gestures or other aggressive moves. To be honest, I was startled and confused as to why he had approached me. We had already been yelled at by another group of protestors, and when the second group approached I was worried that a situation was getting out of control where adults were attempting to provoke teenagers.

I believed that by remaining motionless and calm, I was helping to diffuse the situation. I realized everyone had cameras and that perhaps a group of adults was trying to provoke a group of teenagers into a larger conflict. I said a silent prayer that the situation would not get out of hand.

During the period of the drumming, a member of the protestor’s entourage began yelling at a fellow student that we “stole our land” and that we should “go back to Europe.” I heard one of my fellow students begin to respond. I motioned to my classmate and tried to get him to stop engaging with the protestor, as I was still in the mindset that we needed to calm down tensions.

I never felt like I was blocking the Native American protestor. He did not make any attempt to go around me. It was clear to me that he had singled me out for a confrontation, although I am not sure why.

The engagement ended when one of our teachers told me the busses had arrived and it was time to go. I obeyed my teacher and simply walked to the busses. At that moment, I thought I had diffused the situation by remaining calm, and I was thankful nothing physical had occurred.

I never understood why either of the two groups of protestors were engaging with us, or exactly what they were protesting at the Lincoln Memorial. We were simply there to meet a bus, not become central players in a media spectacle. This is the first time in my life I’ve ever encountered any sort of public protest, let alone this kind of confrontation or demonstration.

I was not intentionally making faces at the protestor. I did smile at one point because I wanted him to know that I was not going to become angry, intimidated or be provoked into a larger confrontation. I am a faithful Christian and practicing Catholic, and I always try to live up to the ideals my faith teaches me — to remain respectful of others, and to take no action that would lead to conflict or violence.

I harbor no ill will for this person. I respect this person’s right to protest and engage in free speech activities, and I support his chanting on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial any day of the week. I believe he should re-think his tactics of invading the personal space of others, but that is his choice to make.

I am being called every name in the book, including a racist, and I will not stand for this mob-like character assassination of my family’s name. My parents were not on the trip, and I strive to represent my family in a respectful way in all public settings.

I have received physical and death threats via social media, as well as hateful insults. One person threatened to harm me at school, and one person claims to live in my neighborhood. My parents are receiving death and professional threats because of the social media mob that has formed over this issue.

I love my school, my teachers and my classmates. I work hard to achieve good grades and to participate in several extracurricular activities. I am mortified that so many people have come to believe something that did not happen — that students from my school were chanting or acting in a racist fashion toward African Americans or Native Americans. I did not do that, do not have hateful feelings in my heart, and did not witness any of my classmates doing that.

I cannot speak for everyone, only for myself. But I can tell you my experience with Covington Catholic is that students are respectful of all races and cultures. We also support everyone’s right to free speech.

I am not going to comment on the words or account of Mr. Phillips, as I don’t know him and would not presume to know what is in his heart or mind. Nor am I going to comment further on the other protestors, as I don’t know their hearts or minds, either.

I have read that Mr. Phillips is a veteran of the United States Marines. I thank him for his service and am grateful to anyone who puts on the uniform to defend our nation. If anyone has earned the right to speak freely, it is a U.S. Marine veteran.

I can only speak for myself and what I observed and felt at the time. But I would caution everyone passing judgement based on a few seconds of video to watch the longer video clips that are on the internet, as they show a much different story than is being portrayed by people with agendas.

I provided this account of events to the Diocese of Covington so they may know exactly what happened, and I stand ready and willing to cooperate with any investigation they are conducting.

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[tumblunni]

Today’s weirdass yokai watch fact I have learned: Agent X is Injun Joe. He’s just.. Injun Joe. His japanese name is goddamn Injun Joe.

“Hey what’s an american thing? Men In Black and uhhhh RACISM”

His entire design is just fuckin Injun Joe, the version from a very particular tv show in japan, just fuckin recoloured purple. I never would have even known!!

So uhh yeah, good on you dub team for removing all that loaded roulette of a thing, holy fuckin shit...

I feel kinda bad for the japanese developers though because there’s no indication they really uhh.. KNEW anything about the whole native american situation at all. Apparantly the tales of tom sawyer was one of a few classic american books that got a kids show in japan, so the thought process behind this was probably just “this was my first childhood impression of what america is like, i should give it an affectionate reference”.

Which is uh.. its the same reason we have Jynx. Seriously! “Little Black Sambo” was another “classic western franchise” that japanese kids read in the 50s and 60s. Taking it completely out of context like that, the racist stereotype design of the earliest illustrations became seen as an iconic cartoon character and the japanese audience had no idea of its origins in anything negative.

This is why i really hate that whole “its a classic, so you’re not allowed to complain about the racism”. like there’s a big ol fat difference between simply understanding that the racism is a product of its time, vs YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO BE SAD ABOUT IT. Teaching friggin “classics” in this atmosphere of out of context dancing-around-the-elephant-in-the-room is how we get situations like this where people who don’t already know the context can just pick up the racism accidentally. Also seriously if we even had the slightest fuckin warning or even ACTUALLY TAUGHT KIDS that the racism is bad and its only here because this is an old book, then maybe itd be less goddamn traumatizing for the actual non white kids in the damn class...

I can still remember how my high school did this with of Mice Of Men, regarding ableism. Like it was friggin HIGH SCHOOL, there’s less of an excuse of ‘oh we cant explain, its too complicated for kids’! (Which is dumb anyway cos kids not already knowing about racism is like THE BIGGEST REASON you should tell them the thing is wrong/take the thing out when you talk about the book, otherwise it just goes into their brain unquestioned) Anyway, if you didnt already know, Of Mice And Men is a story all about a Scary Developmentally Disabled Man who is Just Like A Big Adult Child and is Big Scary Murderer and Too Dangerous To Live and The Only Way For Him To Be Happy Is To Die and Everyone He Ever Loved Is Finally Free Of The Burden of Him And He Would Be Happy That They Can Finally Be Happy. Yeah. Its fucked up and I hate it and I hate that it was just taught unchallenged and unquestioned. I didnt know I was autistic until i was an adult and this sort of message was the only perspective i was ever being given on what mental disabilities were, which probably contributed a whole lot to why i never got diagnosed and why i was goddamn terrified when i did finally find out. I’m so fuckin glad that being autistic is just.. like.. exactly the same as how I fuckin think, instead of this ridiculous gross fatalistic stereotype. And I hate looking back on how i blindly believed it and how i was rude to other autistic kids cos i fuckin DIDNT KNOW I WAS ONE OF THEM and thought it was a goddamn death sentence i had to avoid by being Aggressively Neurotypical At All Times.

But yeah this was indeed a book made in an older time where autism hadnt even been properly investigated by medical science and didnt even have a name. And by the standards of the time it’s comparatively progressive, because the story does indeed say this mentally ill man isnt actually evil, he’s just ACCIDENTALLY dangerous, and you’re supposed to feel sad that he has to die. But that doesn’t mean its goddamn true, it doesnt mean it should be taught as true, and it doesnt mean its not harmful to real people with real disabilities who are very likely sitting right there in this classroom listening to this tripe. I’m not saying don’t read any “classics” in class, just itd be nice if the teacher remotely aknowledged the problematic shit instead of reading it out as-is and not discussing a single thing. Like seriously it could flesh out the curriculum quite a bit if you added some essays like “explain why this thing is bigoted and the cultural context as to why it happened”. Or even just a goddamn warning at the beginning of the lesson that this chapter is gonna contain emotionally harrowing stuff! And its not even like its JUST “classics” that do this, the book directly after this in that same year of highschool was a modern thing about “oooh the scary inner mind of an autistic”, full of loads of stereotypes and weirdass child abuse apologism cos ~oh the kid was such a burden~ :/

So yeah. That stuff. Its bad.

It can lead to super outdated horrible stereotypes getting reintroduced into the brains of kids who dont know any better, or in this case foreign audiences who arent familiar with the cultural context. So that’s why I don’t blame nintendo for making a random villain named after the really insensitive name of an old not-exactly-well-portrayed villain from a “classic”. Instead I blame the people in the west who act so flippant about racism/other bigotries as long as its “classic”, its our fault that we’re sending this impression out to other countries.

Also its super depressing imagining this dude is meant to be the ghost of a guy with the same backstory as that dude from tom sawyer, aka a half native american mixed race man who only turned evil because he was treated like shit by racist bastards. Seriously it sucks how unsympathetically and scarily ‘ol IJ is portrayed in tom sawyer, but i guess again its a ‘for its time it was ahead of the curve’ sort of thing. Still not good though. The only thing more not gooder than that is if after he died with no sympathy from anyone forever he also came back as a weird purple slime ghost and continued suffering for more centuries :(

:(

:(

Man i usually love learning development trivia about games but this was really one of those facts thats more of a cursed thing :(

Aaaand ending with a random piece of trivia his japanese name is Injaneno which is a goddamn pun on That Damned Name mixed with a stereotypical italian mafia speak version of “dontcha know”. Or, well, the japanese stereotype of what italian mafia speak sounds like in japanese. Apparantly hokkaido accent is their equivelant of the ‘this character is foreign’ accent! Like how texas accents are for america and literally-everywhere-except-england accents are for britain. Its such a dumb trope, isnt it? “How do we know this character isn’t from this country? Cos they speak a very specific local accent of this country.” Its just the dumb stereotype of certain accents being uncultured or stupid or whatever so its a shorthand for ‘not fluent in the language’ even though being not fluent in the language sounds entirely fuckin different.

So yeh. Facts. Some of them kinda cursed. Also even more reasons to cry for goddamn MIB slime man...

oh and also his slime form in japanese is just “Demon Injaneno” instead of “The Executor”. which is an added layer of pun thats just like ‘dontcha know’ with an even more heavy accent. So i’m glad they kept the idea of scary alien blobman doom agent having goofy cute puns, and the whole X obsession is a nice way of punning without all them layers of weirdness.

[charls-lamen]

@leg-grestrade

I think we have the same kind of issues with the fandom. I guess where we differ is our opinion on what kind of fan Kylo and Reylo attracts. And I guess maybe how to handle the bigots in the fandom.

Now as Kylo is essentially a murder who is the sympathizer of a Fascist regime will there he some who will be there who will be racist Nazi sympathizers? Absolutely.

But I doubt they are all of the base hell I don't think they are even the majority. Just like I don't think most Darth Vader fans are Nazi supporters either.

When The Force Awakens came out there were so many Kylo fans who liked him just because he was this trope they liked and wanted to play with in fandom. The guy who shows up as the villain in the first movie with black hair is generally sulky maybe kinda emo with daddy issues. It didnt matter what his differences were with the others in his trope. Canon was not what they cared about. Creating AUs in fanon about that archetype was.

The problem is when faced with the accusations of your fav is problematic they try to defend his actions in a real world context to make him sympathetic. That's the instinctive response but it's not really necessarily an honest one.

Because they are enjoying as a entertaining character or trope. Which is fine it's not like if I like the Joker's character I approve of his actions. But they feel they still have to make him and the ship sympathetic in order to be allowed to keep liking him.

So they bend backwards trying to make liking the character morally defensible. A easy way to do it is by painting everyone else in a bad light. And thats when the racists can come in and spread toxic reasoning which the shippers latch onto as potential defense. Which is easy to especially if it's not so blatant that you'd pick up on it if you hadn't been exposed to it already. And many people( especially many young people ) hadnt.

I've been in a fandom with contreversial material where the fandoms openly discussed and criticized toxic trends in canon while also discussing the aspects they enjoyed. But as soon as they'd get antis calling them out with supporting the toxic things ( if they a fan they must approve of the terrible shit too right?) the critics would shut down.

Justifications of the negative aspects would start because saying they enjoyed what good it had while criticizing what bad there was and still enjoyed it that way was a opinion that they were attacked for having.

And soon bigoted reasonings came up and began spreading and people would start leaving the fandom. Because they would get called an Anti for pointing out flaws. It became a us vs them mentality.

Fortunately it was a niche small fandom so the discourse faded away. And the fandom would once again begin calling out the bigots amongst themselves.

But if that us vs them mentality stuck around for longer the more influential people in the fandom become the ones who are ok using bigoted reasons to justify their ship/character/show/book/movie and the assholes who get overly agressive about shipping( which I've seen too). At which many decide that the fandom is unsalvageable and leave.

Any new fan (and any old fan left) feels the pressure to stick together and defend other shippers and not be called a anti. You get a almost cult like situation. And it's just kinda ridiculous because it's all just about shipping. But I think for younger people especially it's really easy to get dragged in.

Which is not to say that nothing should ever be criticized ever, just that people might be focusing on things that you aren't and its possible to like a flawed thing while not condoning what makes it flawed.

More importantly there are actual people here who are bigots and stalkers and harrased and just actually awful people. And thats a way bigger problem that just liking a pasty fictional edge lord just cuz he has daddy issues could ever be.

But I've seen shipping related things be held up as something as important as those issues. And people making shipping a reflection of themselves. And I think doing that gives the bigots the chance to hijack bigger platforms. I dont want them to be able to hide their actual bigotry under the guise of liking a ship.

Like I said at this point it might be too late for the Reylo fandom. They might have been too toxic for too long and now perhaps only people who support the bigots are people who are still very involved in the fandom.

But like I also said the toxic members of that community will move on to other ships. And I do want them called out for being bigots. Not grouped in with a ship. I dont want them getting a fandom label. The fandom isnt the problem its them being assholes and pandering to assholes.

This is not to say it's our fault that people are bigots or that people support bigots and they dont have responsibility and we do. Because we definitely dont and they definitely do.

All I'm saying that once we associate bigots with something as innocuous as shipping ( aka it's not shipping it self that's the problem its using it to be so racist/ making super racist content with that ship) they get a oppurtunity to have a much larger defense by affiliation.

And I see that as bad and something we could possibly avoid. Maybe that's just a bit of wishfull thinking on my part. Maybe even if we do that the bigots will still cry out that they just hate us for our ship and the dumbasses will still support them and eat up the ideaology till they become full fledged bigots themselves. But if we could just isolate them from fandoms. All fandoms...that would be great I think. Again maybe a bit too idealistic and I just want to think theres a potential solution to a situation that doesn't really have one.

But in the end I guess I just think that calling out a ship for being bigoted instead of certain type of content that a ship produces causes problems. Because a ship on its own isnt and shouldn't be an reflection of what people are or what they believe in( in my opinion) anymore than say liking a particular genre of book. On a general basis I mean. Not that it cant mean or represent something personal to you on a individual basis.

@leg-grestrade

Hi I’m an actual person of color ( I’m Asian) write dissertations about shipping because I know people who have been assaulted and abused ( including other poc). They use fandom as a way to explore dark thoughts including messed up ships that they play around with because its messed up its the exploration and outlet for dark themes. This isn’t necessarily unhealthy. In fact many times it can be a good coping mechanism. It helps them. There are others who might feel uncomfortable about the same content. But you could say same about horror movies. But they still deserve to exist.

It’s not uncommon for these people to be harassed and feel ashamed for a harmless coping mechanism like shipping. Because the content they produce is considered problematic or the ship is considered unhealthy.

Assuming all people with the same ship have the same mentality has only caused people more grief in my experience. I’m sorry you are being harassed sending people hate mail is awful but the problem isn’t the ship its toxic people in the fandom. Changing that ship won’t help. They’d be shipping something “ non problematic” and be equally toxic. 

Poc aren’t being hurt because Reylo is a racist ship. Poc are being hurt because people will lash out at others over shipping. This would be a problem even if Reylo was considered the most healthy ship of all time. Are there racist Reylos? Ya definetly. Do some of them have a toxic mentality regarding relationships? Absolutely. Is that a problem? Yes. But this is not a problem with the ship. The problem is with them.

You will find people who ship FinnPoe who meet the same criteria. Your ship isn’t proof of you being a good person or a bad person. The people with that bigoted mentality should be called out. But that doesn’t mean every shipper should get lumped in with them. Making them aware that there is a problem in their fandom they should be vigilant against is enough.