#idk man i wanted to draw them being emotional for once considering they're not even in middle school yet

[moxielynx]

ben 10 shitposts + some doodles

Gwen: Kevin is our friend, we should help him- Ben:

aliens being goofy

doodles

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[icharchivist]

Death anon: Thanks! I honestly didn't even cover everything about Kanda (guy even died and I didn't mention it). You bring up good points on the main 4. In a lot of ways you can draw a line between Lenalee+Kanda and Lavi+Allen. The former duo grew up in this environment they're both hardened yet submissive to it. The latter duo are the outsiders who came from another place. Lavi is unusually a outsider even though he's been w/the Order 2 years longer then Allen. But somehow until he met Allen-

2 Lavi managed to stay detached. But it took the death of someone important to him to make a impact and get him to open up to being human. When you think about it these duos end up where they originally were before. Kanda left but came back to the Order. Both he and Lenalee are chained to it and use that shackle for a purpose. Allen left the Order to keep walking and won't ever go back. Lavi was never meant to stay. He has nothing binding him there beyond emotional attachment, same as Allen.-

3 Also like Allen, Lavi has a destiny and ambition bigger then the small minded Order. Both want the truth. Death is the thing that pushes their path forward. Cross's death caused Allen to make a enemy of Apocryphos and flee. Bookman is dying now that that too will most likely push Lavi on the path he's chosen even more. A path away from the Order. Death binds Kanda and Lenalee to the Order because if they leave they'll become fallen ones. There's also the fear to stay involved to save Allen -

4 from dying at the hands of the Order. For Lavi and Allen, it's death of their mentors that pushes them away from the Order and down the path they chose from the start (Allen - basically the DOT. Lavi - Bookman). A path the Order at this point would kill before they accomplished it (ironic).

(following of this conversation)

This is on point!

Oh boy now that you point it out, the fact we both missed bringing up the fact Kanda already died once (and hey that’s a common point he has with Allen, even if somehow both their past lives and their past deaths didn’t work out the same way)

Honestly i think the main four kinda works as pairs for a lot of things (like you can say that the problem with being social is shared between Lavi and Kanda, or the fact Kanda and Allen are driven by their loss before the story ect..) but it often comes back to Kanda/Lenalee and Lavi/Allen to me somehow? Kanda/Lenalee are the duo who’s storyline is really tied to the abuse of the Order since they were young, while Lavi/Allen act more as outsiders to the Order, are in the order willingly, and are the two in full identity crisis. Hell both Lavi and Allen had, to some extend, been locked in their own mind faced with a part of them that tried to overtake them. That’s some sort of uncanny parallelism ahah.

But yeah considering their rapport to death is somthing we can tie back to the holy war specifically the fact Kanda/Lenalee are the two who have been part of the Order since childhood ends up having their view/reaction to death more aligned, and Lavi/Allen being outsiders give them a different reaction to it.

Man a lot of good points in those asks let me sort it out

It’s a very good point though that both Kanda and Lenalee have major risks in leaving the Order considering they were the two who had been taken by force by it. Kanda is at risk of becoming a fallen and we’ve already seen Lenalee’s innocence seriously hurt her/incapacitate her. Meanwhile Lavi seems to risk very few by leaving the innocence behind and despite running away Allen’s innocence wouldn’t let him become a fallen. It’s incredible how their innocences from begining to end acts as chains for the group who hate being part of the war, and as something that doesn’t bind them for the group that chose to be there. 

The ambition outside the Order is kinda interesting because, entierely right for Lavi but for Allen it’s funny how when he came to the Order he didn’t even have an ambition per se. Allen’s goal in life was always to save humanity and Akuma, to keep walking for Mana, and it just happened that the Order was a way for him to do that, but not specifically the only way. Even if now he’s burdened by the whole DOT thing. There is also a very fair point to be said about the fact both their mentors are the ones who led them to the Order while both mentors knew it would be a temporary things - ofc for Bookman, and for Cross knowing Nea will come out sooner or later.Neither Lenalee nor Kanda had this chance and when they get away from the order in some way, something always bring them back. Funnily enough it feels like it’s also their family figures: recently Tiedoll is the one trying to protect Kanda by making him a General, and for Lenalee if she hadn’t begged the innocence perhaps she would have been free from it, who knows??? but she still welcomed the innocence back and chained herself back, and the scene frames specifically that she does it for Komui, and now she remains at the order for Komui. 

And it’s very very very true to mention that it’s the Death of Allen and Lavi’s mentors that ends up bringing them on the path outside the Order. Around Cross’s death was the moment Allen started to be villainized by the Order whhich was just dooming for his departure, and now around Bookman’s death is when Lavi will have to become Bookman. We can even say this started a bit before their death since for Cross it was the moment he told back the truth to Allen about Mana & Nea (incidentally people from Allen’s past life) while Bookman and Lavi lost their place as exorcist the moment they were being interrogated by the Noah (incidentally, about the 14th again, and linking it back to the loss Bookman had in the past before Lavi). Idk how to word it to make it more obvious but i find it extremely signifiant that they actually strayed away from the Order the moment their Mentors ended up forced to acknowledge the past about the 14th, putting both their pupils in dangerous situation in the process. Their death would then be the final stray to have them focus on outside the Order and more specifically, the point where they can both start to look for answers.

Which is something that is sparkling my interest from your ask because i’ve mentioned recently that the way Tiedoll propose a new path to Kanda (back to the path Tiedoll initially set him onto or another one that would be dangerous for him) echo a lot Cross’s appearance in Allen’s mind (with either giving in to Nea ie what Cross initially set for Allen, or another more complicated path). Both Kanda and Allen decided that their path would be one to seek answers, even if for Kanda it means accepting being a General and for Allen it means refusing Nea. 

So to compare it specifically with Lavi is will more than likely be set into finding answers after Bookman’s death due to his duty, it starts to create a patern, except that like you said, Lavi and Allen are tied by death. 

(makes you almost wonder if Lenalee wouldn’t be forced to make a choice with Komui on the same idea as Tiedoll, for t heir sake rather than for duty like it is for Cross/Bookman.)

So there’s still interesting pair constructions around the same theme there where even when they all share it, it plays differently by pairs, it’s extremely fascinating to me.

But you’re eniterely right, the moment you take it on the lense of Death specifically it seems Lavi and Allen’s characters arcs specifically stray away from the Order because of Death, while so far at least by at least coming back to his innocence, Kanda went back to the Order and is threatened by death for staying away from it. Which is interesting since in his case it happened after Alma, so after a “death catalyst” like those which push Lavi and Allen outside the Order: except that now he’s under more threats than ever even if he is currently outside the Order.

idk how to explain it’s just fascinating and i think you’ve nailed it. Gaah it’s so cool.