#i think syco were to small of a label for h at least

[alarrytale]

I think a lot of it comes from old 1D fan culture where we blamed everything on Modest. We were convinced Modest was the reason behind the boys not getting enough breaks, Niall and Louis not getting enough solos, Harry not being allowed to wear nail polish, everything, and that HL’s freedom from Modest meant their freedom from the closet. When that didn’t happen fans became disillusioned and started thinking of all talk of contracts and oppressive management as crazy fan theories. But Modest was just a small company hired by Simon to help manage 1D’s affairs while in the UK (and ONLY while in the UK). The issue was always Syco and, on a larger scale, Sony.

1D was huge. They were raking in ungodly amounts of money for Sony. Knowing what we know about the contracts (like you said from direct sources like court docs and Rebecca) why would Sony let them disband after just five years? It’s because boy bands have a ticking clock (they grow up, fangirls grow up) and they needed to strike while the iron was hot on creating the Beyoncé or the JT of the group. First they tried with Zayn, then with Harry. H is a massive success for them. Him and L negotiated themselves out from Syco but they both still very much work for Sony. They’re under the same contracts they were as teenagers and likely will be for a long time or until Sony decides they’re no longer profitable to them.

Hi, anon!

About Modest. Yes, very much so. All blame usually fell on Modest. But it wasn't without reason. They were badly mismanaged. I don't think it was Syco/Sony that locked them in their hotel rooms, driving them to drink to pass the time (as Liam's talked about) that was all Modest. It was also easy to blame Modest because they were the executor. It was what was clearly visible to us at the time. They were the ones who said that H and L couldn’t sit next to each other and they were the ones who told H to remove his nail varnish. They were also the ones that 1d was visibly fighting against. We didn't all have phds in music business, public relations, contract law and the history of bearding like a lot of us do now.

Many things are so much clearer to us now. We have gained a broader understanding of things and see the puzzle pieces together. I just sometimes wish they would visibly show us that they are still being controlled and are not agreeing to what they have to do. I get that living in constant opposition to Sony like that is exhausting and that giving in and going along with it is easier. They have no choice after all. At the same time we now have fans who thinks that everything that's happening is by their own choice, even larries. And that thought makes people leave, because of their current image and how they act. So here we are...

[breefarrow]

Ok so it's been almost 2 days for me I have been reading what others have said on twitter and tumblr stans, I've had the time to process my thoughts and now here is my thoughts I get...

So some people hold their favs on a pedestal which is why those people are the ones SUPER hurt by what happened. We shouldn't have our favs on a pedestal or we will be let down everytime they make a mistake. They are humans just like us and aren't above others we have all made mistakes heck I've made more mistakes then I can count. We love our favs and need to hold them accountable when they do something they shouldn't but like I said their humans and they aren't perfect. A lot of celebs haven't really been following guidelines bc their so out of touch with reality and have quite a lot of privilege [especially if their white] and that is a problem that should definitely be talked about.

It is very sad and disappointing what happened the last few days both of the breaking covid restrictions with everything happening here in California and how this will negatively [ actually already has negatively] effected both Olivia and Harry. A lot are just so confused and hard and just over all tired of all this. Everything we have had to deal with as of late and now this it's just idk gut wrenching knowing all the things families [including my own] have gone through bc of the pandemic and they do THIS.

I 100% agree with people [mostly mean this next part with the twitter stans] calling Harry out for what happened it should be talked about but my issue is with some OT5s not treating each member who didn't follow covid guidelines the same. Some OT5s say they have a lane but there is a difference between having a lane and having said lane on a pedestal while having another member half out the door on supporting them. Example of what I mean their was an OT5 I saw who has a Niall lane and when we got pics of him at a large dinner party with no one wearing masks they defended him to the tooth and nail but with the Harry thing they were so upset and wanted to leave. Another example was an OT5 with a Liam lane fought tooth and nail when we got pics of Liam and Maya surrounded by a ton of people during one of the protests with neither wearing a mask but with the Harry thing they were very upset with him.

You must hold ALL who haven't fullly followed guidelines accountable bc if your giving "your lane" a slap on the wrist and then seeing flames with another member does something then it doesn't seem like you actually care about the problem at hand and you CLEARLY love and support one over another in a negative way. TBH Zayn is the only member who has FULLY followed covid guidelines throughout this entire pandemic and for that I respect him a lot more.

If your a newer stan this PR pap walk is a nightmare to you it's ok it will be ok bc if you talk to an older stan then they will tell you this is sadly not the worst we've been through. 2015 we had to deal with louis close to tears announcing he was going to be a dad when he wasn't and then had the nightmare of 2016 BG stunting every week and Dani pap tuesdays all to hide the fact that Louis is gay. So this is not the worst and to me it's welp another stunt I hope will pass soon.

Thanks to this shitty stunt they pulled Harry has yet another label on to the list of horrible labels GP or media have on him bc of Harry's management. He was already seen as a queerbaiting womanizer and an arrogant ahole who doesn't care much for his fans but now he looks like a homewrecker who sleeps with people to get movie roles. Neither Olivia or Harry will be taken seriously after this when it comes to movies. So I don't know whose idea it was thinking this would help with movie promo bc this helps no one and makes everyone involved look like a piece of shit.

I know the biggest thing that rubed people the wrong way [besides the wedding happening at all] was Harry looking happy and officiating the wedding so now some think Harry is possibly friends and actually likes jeff. But look at it this way we have pics of Harry with the CEO of Sony who EVERYONE knows is basically the devil in disguise who you don't want to mess with. Jeff's dad has ALOT of power in the western music business and when winning an award they said he was like the devil but we all love him WHAT?! MJ and Prince made it clear how BAD the music business is and many dont speak up like they do bc those who speak out it doesn't go well.

Harry has been in and dealing with the music business for almost a decade joining when he was only 16 he must have learned by now how things work and how he has to act and play apart where it seems like he likes these people bc Hollywood is all about pretending, with fake smiles and fake lives. To think it's not possible he was acting when he has 10 years of expereince of faking being happy in the business is not a stretch. When he was only 16/17 you saw him cry and be insecure now he has learned how to fake being happy and except what is going on.

A lot think it is a stretch that the wedding was all a pre planned thing to help push a narrative but look at BG. At the beginning of BG it seemed crazy to think they faked a story and changed louis whole image to make it seem like he got some girl pregnant and had him fake having a kid to hide his sexuality but it became clear that's what happened. I get called crazy and delusional on other apps daily for thinking that kid is not louis saying they wouldn't do that to him louis wouldn't allow this to happen BUT IT DID bc he isn't free and has NO say it what happens So this wedding being fake just to push a PR stunt relationship and the H is good friends with Jeff narrative is not a stretch.

There are articles that prove Jeff was already married to his wife since at least February 2020, we have more pics and articles about Harry and Olivia then of the married couple, why were there paps or drowns at a small intimate wedding of someone who isn't well known when big wedding of big celebs have no pap pics and if it was a guest list of only around 20 then why was Harry allowed a plus one date and heck why was Harry himself who is just a coworker allowed at this small wedding? If you were the couple you would JUST have immediate family and maybe your closes friend not a coworker and their 3 week gf. I think this was all an massive stunt to push a couple narratives.

One think I never get is the fans who when anything happenes stunt wise with louis they say this is all a stunt, it's fake, he has no control over anything and he's no where near free but when this happened with harry they go he's fully free, start thinking maybe Jeff and him are friends, and saying they wouldn't go to this extreme to push a narrative. NEITHER Louis or Harry are anywhere near free! I'd say the Azoffs have as much if not more power then Cowbell ever did.

My thoughts [more directed towards twitter stans here] hypothetically speaking if this was some kind of wedding ceremony for Cowbell and Louis was there everyone on twitter would say the ceremony is a stunt to make them look like their still friends after Syco parting. Just bc Harry gets promo or more response from GP, and people knowing his name then Louis doesn't mean he is anymore free then Louis. Realistically no one in the industry under Sony is free every aspect of their life is monitored and controlled.

All of what I have seen and read shows this stunt worked well even better then BG did bc I do see some fans who now think H might actually be friends with Jeff, the GP thinks he sleeps with people to get roles, the media are making jokes about this "new relationship", some henries are making jokes about him being a homewrecker. In ZERO WAY was this a good idea at all and helps NO ONE! The people running what happens to harry need to be careful bc if they keep going as they do soon EVERYONE [except henries who think he's hot] will hate him and not want to hear about him ever again. That is if this mess didn't do that already bc this stunt rubbed so many people the wrong way I wouldn't be surprised if people said I'm done I'm leaving I can't with this anymore.

I will say for myself I have been around almost 10 years supporting them hoping one day we will see them be free and happy. They are trying hard, harder then ever to get rid of us. They WANT us gone but I won't leave, I can't go anywhere not when I've been apart of this for so long already. I'm here, I'm staying, I WILL stay until they are out and free even if that takes another 5 to 10 years.

[buybtyonitunes]

Basically yea why the fandoms or specifically 'harries' and 'louies' are responding the way they are to both h and l and for example I know that Louis' team is shit but the whole thing on why Harry's music is being boycotted or smth idk I'm confused sorry if I'm confusing you

Oh ok lol I can do that

So basically a lot of the bitterness stems from the vast differences in louis and harry’s management and promotional teams. harry’s been working on this launch with the azoffs since at least 2013, irving azoff is one of the most powerful people in the entertainment/music industry and having that family and their connections on harry’s side is incredible. His new pr firm represents lots of important and famous clients and they’re also very good at what they do. 

meanwhile Louis is working with a former Syco agent and simon jones, 1d’s old publicist, who has let louis look like shit in the media for two years now, and it doesn’t really make a lot of sense to people that Harry has such an amazing manager and promotion and louis seems to be stuck with a lazy manager and a publicist thats in a coma for 362 days a year. 

I’ll start with the response to solo louis first. To make a long story short the initial reaction to him was embarrassment, shame and mockery. His career announcement was published by dan wootton so most people already were skeptical about it being legit, and just 7 days later out of nowhere louis was suddenly announced to be performing his debut single on the british xfactor, and of course the show+Simon association already had people turned off and going as far to say that they wouldn’t even watch. At this point there’s so much passive-aggressiveness and doubt and pessimism being displayed towards him and I think a lot of it stemmed from people not having any faith in him from the beginning and thinking he never wanted to go solo/never displayed any interest in it and insisting if he did he wouldn’t do it the way he was doing it, and so on. Of course the entire tune of everything changed once we found out WHY he was doing this (Jay) and most of the skepticism and analyzation was dropped. 

Solo harry: since the beginning of last year 2016 it was pushed by bigger blogs in the fandom that harry had absolutely no solo music plans. There’s screenshots and receipts out there from bigger blogs insisting he didn’t want it and he would never do it. of course they were completely, embarrassingly incorrect. There had been just as much skepticism and doubt surrounding him and his plans/promo (up until sott was released) as there was with louis. But there WAS a lot of hostility displayed towards solo!harry and i still cant figure out why. 

Harry’s team is not picked apart as much as louis’ is, that’s a fact. that’s not to say it isn’t because there is a small niche group of mostly louies that are vocal about what Harry’s team is doing but it goes either praised or ignored by bigger platforms that sway the fandom conversation. 

As for the way specific fans are responding to things, i think it goes back to the discrepancies between the teams and watching one (sometimes two) do better than the other. 

Louies (+ a percentage a louie-larries) are generally more negative and critical toward harry because harry’s team has him in mind and absolutely nobody else, he is their #1 priority and HAS been for several years. He had a very successful, carefully crafted launch that had the entire world buzzing with anticipation without having even heard anything from him. Meanwhile louis has a manager that tries to kill two birds with one stone by taking advantage of his fans and using Louis to promote his other clients, his PR rep couldn’t give less of a shit about him, and it looks like he’s sticking with the label that fucked him over for 6 years which is a little hard to comprehend.

i can’t really speak for harries/harrie-larries because i’m..not one but i think it goes without saying they’re focusing all of their attention on him right now because he’s the current center of the universe in all aspects and it makes sense. i don’t remember the reaction to solo Louis but for some harrie-larries it’s generally positive and supportive while het harries don’t know a lotus tomatoson so i won’t go there

Larries, bigger blogs, the ones who refuse to ‘pick a side’ are generally swaying toward harry, and treat him with gentler hands than they do with louis. they usually don’t call out jeff on his bullshit as often as they do with russell. harry isn’t side-eyed as much as louis is. Harry conversations are definitely treated a lot more carefully compared to Louis conversations which are mostly free-game all the time.

The boycotting thing yesterday was something that someone’s anon made up and it spread super quickly that there was an organized boycott happening against harry’s album in protest to Louis and babygate. it isn’t real and it was never a thing but bigger blogs (read: closet harries) took it as fact even when they were approached by people saying they had misread the anon, and went on really weird angry rants threatening people to buy harry’s album and saying if you didn’t stream sott you weren’t a fan and lots of really strange, manipulative stuff that really showed a lot of blogs’ true colors.

I HOPE THIS HELPED SORRY IF THIS IS HARD TO READ AND/OR LONGWINDED AND/OR MAKES NO SENSE come back if you have any other questions :-)

[alarrytale]

I never said they created the situation for promo. Neither did I mean to insinuate that people are here to solve puzzles. What I meant is, the management probably uses it to their advantage because the videos where people analyze their every move get a lot of attention because most people are trying to figure out whether they're together or not. If they were out by 2012 like I said, people would have obsessed until the band was over. Maybe longer, but it doesn't generate curiosity like the conspiracy does. Of course they're in a relationship and it is miserable that they have to hide, but you have to wonder why they were allowed to do certain things in interviews and the rainbow bears. All I'm saying is that their management was taking advantage of that situation potentially, and also that the main reason that even the general public can get invested into the Larry story is because of the mystery behind it and the Romeo and Juliet parallels.

Hi again anon!

I think we just have to agree to disagree on this. I think their overlords, at least while in 1d, have done everything in their power to squash the gay rumours, gaslight the fans who sees them for who they really are, pit the fans against each other and create antis to police the ones who dosn't believe in the given narrative. The catering to larries have come directly from h and l, but at a price. They pay that price, and we, the larries, in return.

I also don't think they were allowed to do anything. They rebelled in the small ways they could. They found a voice through rbb to warn us about stunts. It was not sanctioned by their label or management. The label and management's repuation suffered from all this and both modest and syco are no more. I don't think they'd contribute to destroy their own reputation like that to the point where they now don't exists anymore.

I do agree that larry is a great love story and they will definitly use that to gain sympathy and as a marketing strategy when they do come out.