#i suppose this is discourse in a way?
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this might be controversial but i actually think it’s more interesting and perhaps even more in the spirit of the narrative if we don’t make garrus’ dad out to be some super swell guy who was right all along and whose only mistake was getting saddled with a headstrong child who couldn’t see reason. actually. it’s also funnier imo if the relationship is more than one-sidedly dysfunctional
#it doesn’t mean he doesn’t love his family. but idk i enjoy nuance and gray areas lol#i think garrus and his dad are probably alike in many ways and then just Different enough to make all the points of overlap really chafe#but we know garrus. we barely know his father. i suppose i just don’t understand the impulse#to give this stranger all the benefit of the doubt when they were the adult in the equation#ya know?#anyway this isn’t discourse i’m just thinking out loud you do you <3#i’ve observed this tendency in fandom for a year now this isn’t about any one post
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I love how people are only ever interested in defending Arya's right to be weird-looking. It's never defending her intelligence from people who claim she's incapable of thinking for herself, highlighting her importance to the plot and refusing to see her as just a prop, acknowledging how much of her story gets stolen and given to other characters, talking about her trauma or how often it gets erased and overlooked, seeing her as more than just an attack dog/bodyguard, etc. Nope. It's just a "why can't people let Arya be ugly/unconventional looking? :(" post every other week because people are, for whatever reason, obsessed with how Arya is visually perceived. One of the most misinterpreted characters yet the issue is only ever with her being portrayed as "too pretty" or the wrong "type" of pretty. This fandom will entirely rewrite a character's motivations, values, and role in the story to the point that they consider references to canon "hate" but! The true injustice to canon is we acknowledge that she is described as pretty several times. Arya simply existing as her pretty, important, and non-conforming self is too complex and confusing for people to comprehend 😔.
#arya stark#asoiaf#fandom nonsense#how can Arya be considered pretty?! she's literally non-conforming?? being pretty belongs to /feminine/ female characters...right? 😱#I feel like these people tell on themselves with how much they value beauty because they make it /such/ a big deal#when her self-esteem issues regarding being a lady are infinitely more relevant to her story (and more interesting to discuss)#her being mocked for having the Stark look is a supporting story element that also reinforces her being an outcast considering#her mother + all of her trueborn siblings have a southern look and she was raised with southern standards#not to mention her non-conformity and often messy appearance heavily impacted how her looks were perceived#George writes Arya's non-conformity as parallel to traditional femininity so it makes sense that beauty is one of those aspects he subverts#(also why it makes sense that her future includes accepting her identity as a Lady while redefining the role but that's off topic)#this is why you need to look at the writing instead of judging based on the /type/ of character you think Arya is#and! it's truly not that serious 😭 I'm sure it will be a plot point eventually but it's not 98% of her story like these people pretend#Arya is such an interesting + well-written character but we constantly get people rewriting her and nonsense discourse around her looks#such rich material and all you can say is that she's an /odd-looking feral gremlin/ and I'm supposed to take your opinion seriously#at this point the obsession with Arya being /weird/ looking has to be some projection of personal self-esteem issues#there's no way /this/ is the hill you're willing to die on with all the terrible takes about Arya from this fandom#wish people who didn't care about her would just stop bringing her up so we could have our discussions about her in peace
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Tbh i am not surprised that a person who openly talked about having drinking problems since 1d days, because of how crazy 1d worked has been agressive. What surprises me is people being surprised (they never seriously saw drunk person?). But i am also confused about this whole book. Apparently Maya said that that book is not fully bout Liam but compilation about her exes and some of the worst parts are not about him. But recently she said that the book is “ofc about him” so what is true then? Or did she meant it that ofc some parts are about him or that whole book is about him?
Sorry, just confused
I also am not surprised- we've learned so much more about the real stories of things and about the guys' actual lives over the last years, and the story that has unfolded around Liam has been totally consistent throughout if you've been following it, and so the information Maya is telling us is shocking and upsetting but not difficult to believe. I got an anon yesterday saying they were worried about getting similar revelations about the other boys, like "if Liam could be doing this we just don't know, any of them could", and while in a way that's always true I guess, anyone could be doing anything in private like... that doesn't really concern me. Because none of these Liam revelations are coming out of nowhere, there have been many MANY steps along the way leading us here if you've been watching, and he has talked openly about both his mental health struggles and his addiction issues. So to answer that anon... to find out something similar about Louis would in contrast contradict everything we know about him and no I'm not worried about it. Is he probably very irritating, absolutely, but an abuser or a loose cannon, well that news would shock me. But anyway as for the book I don't find it strange that she was nervous when it came out and treading lightly and later decided, fuck it. In the absolutely on point tiktok she dropped today (YES👏GIRL👏FUCKING TELL THEM👏) she even mentions attempts to keep her from publishing the book, presumably by Liam's team, that I am riveted by and cannot WAIT to hear more details about actually- like I said I don't find it at all strange that she was nervous and downplayed it a bit then. But if she says now that it's just about Liam, well, I would say it's been clear from the beginning that the book is their story. Maya herself brought up the parallel of songs being written about stuff and I think it's the same thing; it's true (she was in an abusive relationship that involved certain kinds of events) but maybe not 100% literal (I'm sure details were changed to make the story work, it's not like a word for word timeline of their interactions or whatever).
#maya henry#blah blah blah#re the tiktok also lmaoooo are people really saying she wants money her family IS RICH like RICH RICH#but hot damn the part about enabling UH HUH !!!!!#yep yep yep#in terms of the other guys and what would shock me... well obviously we know Zayn has also had a history of agression#and we know WAY too much about him being pushy about sex lol#I would not be shocked to hear he crossed a line... but think he's probably just a bit of a fuckboy#I absolutely do not trust Niall behind closed doors but the songs we have about him seem to tell a pretty consistent story;#self absorbed but basically harmless#harry... who tf knows what he is like outside of being with Louis but I would be shocked to hear of him being aggressive yeah#I have a lot of issues with him but taking advantage of people or being pushy are not even on the radar#and as for Louis... like I said yeah it WOULD shock me. I don't just love him because he has a nice face!#it's BECAUSE of the ways we do know him and know what he's like. because of his tenderness and care#and his consistent kindness and love#and his openness about his private side#so yeah- it would shock the hell out of me it really would#but then I think that anon also was worried about eleanor spiling smth about their relationship so we are not coming from the same place#my kneejerk response was I'm sure he paid her on time what else are you worried about lol#although out of everyone if someone was going to say he lashed out at them I suppose it would be her#it was probably one of the most difficult and frought relationships in his life#and one that he did not want#so! but still no it doesn't worry me#tbh there was one thing in mayas video today that did surprise me which was the premeditation#Liam actually planning using the fans against people and sneaking around doing stuff#I guess even believing everythign I had chosen to paint a picture in my mind of someone who was still#basically unaware of the wrong they were doing and more flailing than plotting#and that shakes me a little. and makes me very unhappy to hear#liam discourse
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“Nine would have treated Martha better than Ten did”
I need to talk about this argument that never seems to stop circulating.
Note: Not a venomous/anti post. There’s more than enough of that across fandom spaces as is, and this is supposed to be a place for ✨sweet, blissful escapism✨
When making this argument, people seem to envision a scenario in which Nine never met Rose.
While I can appreciate a good hypothetical, recognizing Rose's significance to the Doctor (Nine and Ten) is essential to understanding why things with Martha played out the way they did in the first place.
In the third series, the Doctor is grieving. This grief is deliberately threaded into nearly every script, whether spoken aloud or not (and these are just a few examples):
He's burning in Rose’s wake the entire time Martha travels with him, which is why it’s so frequently called upon: It’s 100% deliberate in framing his grief. He grieved as Nine too, of course— having been fresh on the heels of the Time War — but then he met Rose, which changed everything.
Back then, he was still a rude, traumatized pain in the ass, but we watch Rose soften more of those jagged edges with every episode as they grow closer; as he lets his guard down and forms a deep connection with her.
He falls in love (against his better judgment) and it's game over.
And yes: provided S1E1 had been titled 'Martha', one can realistically assume things might have unfolded similarly to how they did with Rose. However, it wouldn’t have been that way just because the Doctor was Nine and “Nine was different” — it would be because he wasn’t already in love with someone else. The same can't be said for the start of S3.
Think of it like this: if Rose AND Martha had been in that cellar — if Nine had taken both of them along with him in S1 — we’d eventually be looking at the most melodramatic love triangle ever, what with him living in close quarters with two brilliant, gorgeous, compassionate young women... But Doctor Who is plenty “soap opera” as is with just one woman in the TARDIS.
(I certainly wouldn’t object to reading that fic, though)
Now, regarding the unrequited elephant in the room…
His inability to be romantic with Martha isn’t because he thinks her lesser, nor is it for lack of compatibility. It isn't because Rose is any better than her. It certainly isn’t just because he’s Ten.
It’s really only for one reason, which can't be denied — and now I’m a broken record:
He is still in love with Rose.
(cut from a tenrosedaily gif)
Nine is Ten, and Ten is only such a mess in S3 because he’s just lost the love of his life. Martha merely got caught in the crosshairs of a volatile Time Lord in mourning, and yes — it sucks. Absolutely.
But it also feels dismissive to chalk Ten and Martha’s relationship up to little more than some sort of mindless dance of pining, jealousy, and toxicity.
Ten trusted Martha with his life over and over again — and hers, with him. He constantly praised her brilliance, happily carting her around time and space with no intention of letting her go. In the BBC’s extended universe of novels/comics/cartoons/etc, there’s so much depth to their relationship: love and trust and trauma and sacrifice. They had their own special bond as mates, their own complexities — so it’s a bummer that it's forever overshadowed by the other things.
I’m not denying that there was a lot of stuff that sucked/was for sure toxic about Ten's S3 behavior, but so many of the things I've seen him catching flak for can be directly attributed to being A Clueless Fucking Alien Idiot (not a trait that’s unique to Ten) — as well as his flat-out obliviousness to Martha’s feelings.
So yes, I agree: if Rose never existed, he would have treated Martha differently as Nine. He also would have treated her differently as Ten. Certainly.
But Rose did exist, and when discussing canon, it matters.
“He tells me that he absolutely, 100% loves Rose... He tells me how my daughter; my wonderful, beautiful, clever little girl saved him from himself before… And he says that’s all because of me! I made her into the Rose Tyler that saved him.”
-Jackie Tyler, Flight Into Hull!
Martha got the short end of the stick in S3. She came round at the wrong place and time, but that doesn't mean it was all bad. It doesn't mean the Doctor didn’t adore her. It certainly doesn't mean the time they spent together was wasted or worthless. They were brilliant!
Sure, he could be a twat, but let it be known that he was a twat with Rose as well, both as Nine and Ten. I’m sure Tentoo can be plenty infuriating, too. So while I'll defend Ten (and Tentoo) into the ground forever and ever and ever, I'll concede that he's fucked up.
The Doctor is a certified Pain In The Ass. It’s one of the things I love so much about this character — dynamics.
But never forget that Martha was goddamn tough as nails and overcame every bit of it. She moved on with her life, and the Doctor moved on with his. One can only pray that, when they inevitably drag her back onto the show (which feels inevitable if I'm honest), we see at once that she's been living her best life for all these years.
#I'm paranoid af about posting this but also feel like maybe two people will read it so perhaps I'm safe#doctor who#tenth doctor#ninth doctor#rose tyler#martha jones#baby's first meta#dw meta#I hope this wasn't just a mess of discombobulated stream-of-consciousness chatter#try as I may to avoid it#I'm somehow still aware of the sea of bad fandom vibes surrounding almost every character mentioned#besides Nine - who for some reason seems to be above reproach#there's a painful absence of civil discourse#especially where shipping is concerned#but let me tell you#I've vibed with T/M people about T/R and T/R people about T/M and it is a beautiful thing#I wish we could all just get along#also I've got so many more thoughts about this topic#like an embarrassingly long list of thoughts#I tried to scale it down as best I could while also being as inoffensive as possible#gonna crawl back under my rock now#also you should all go read Peacemaker#best DW novel since the Stone Rose#belated tag added way after the fact but:#for some reason I’ve yielded so much hate mail since originally posting this#because I suppose some people have only cottoned on to my enjoyment of T/M#but please note that I’ve been writing my T/M series since 2022#it’s had no bearing whatsoever on my love of T/R+T2/R aka the OTP of all time#but I’m also a grown-ass woman in my thirties and we are all playing with dolls here#I just wanna spread love and write smut and I do this for fun so if you can’t be nice - then I don’t want you reading anyway
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Making memes out of my headcanons, part 3, swinging bats at hornets nests edition!
#masayoshi shido#futaba sakura#baofu#kaoru saga#wakaba isshiki#“but i promise i don't use it for akechi's character development I use it for hers!” i'm sorry i don't buy it#the only way i see the 'futaba and goro are half siblings' headcanon used#is for finding a reason why futaba should get along better with her mother's murderer#that's practically the only thing you CAN do with it; i suppose you can use it to get akechi's head out of his ass wrt not being unique#but that still leads back to using FUTABA'S parentage as a vector for Akechi's development#meanwhile baofu as her bio dad offers Futaba a vector to find herself embroiled in Sumaru's whole mess#something that would actually involve character development for HER!#persona#persona 5#persona 2#discourse#i guess#my posts#memes#making memes out of my headcanons part 3#headcanon
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“men are always willing to believe two things about a woman: one, that she is weak, and two, that she finds him attractive.”
truly insane to have a character say this and then make them actually attracted to men in any capacity. btw.
#dragon age#morrigan dragon age#i know i’ve said this before#captain holt voice. and you’ll hear it again!!#like listen. i know it would change the implications of the ritual. but clearly they’ve already considered#that you can have sex with people you’re not attracted to bc she can sleep with an unromanced warden or alistair or loghain#yknow it just ties into the whole. my mother raised me to be a certain type of way but that’s not me#i really like her friendship w a female warden and feel like it’s a good romance on-ramp but it would also be thematically interesting#if she were asexual#but i know 1) leliana was originally supposed to be a lesbian and that didn’t fly#and 2) if it was on their radar even a little bit. they would have avoided it bc of Problematic Implications#ie discourse about corrective rape. even though she’s the one who initiates it and makes it very clear. if she’s not in a romance with#that character. that it’s just doing a job that needs to be done and there is no emotional attachment there#i also think. perhaps. they could have done something different for the ritual ESPECIALLY if they’re going to call it that#like obviously it’s a fade to black scenario but persistently calling it a ritual makes me think there’s something Else that happens too#maybe lean into that#anyway i’m just saying there’s workarounds for these excuses i made up lmao#mine#morrigan
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conservatives who think posting a photo of a model-looking conservative woman next to a photo of a normal-looking or overweight or blue-haired liberal woman constitutes a slam-dunk ideological argument: I am Biting you
#I feel like I see this way too often and I am so fed up#what’s that supposed to communicate? morality = your beauty standards???#also for the Christians who do it: you’re additionally communicating that biblical womanhood is supposed to have makeup on#also ad hominem attacks are never never never a good way to debate or relate#anyway :)))#things you see on Twitter#discourse sorry
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since mikailas art is a hot topic now I don’t think we should ever forget this
IMAGINE DRAWING YOUR WIFES SISTER AND RAPE SURVIVOR AS THAT CHICK FROM THE INCEST GAME
FUCK EVEN IF WE TAKE LILYS SIDE OF THE STORY IMAGINE DRAWING YOUR WIFES RAPIST AS THAT CHICK FROM THE INSEST GAME IN THE THUMBNAIL OF A VIDEO DEFENDING HER, WHAT
#this is just so absurd and fucked up im never letting go of this#S+ lorch discourse moment#lily orchard critical#lily orchard#ok so lolcow meta observation time#moments like this are a really good example of what keeps lily from becoming a full fledged horrorcow#bc while the subject matter is horrific this is just such an unserious way to act#and to do this in the thumbnail of a video talking about your wife’s the supposed 12 years of harassment#this whole thing reads like a fake story madeup by a 12yr old writing their first callout post#but no it happened with complete confidence and with out a lick of irony#mp.txt#also calling it the insest game bc I don’t want ppl who are actual fans of the games to be exposed to this bs
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The thing that kills me about the Star Wars prequel trilogy and why I will die on my hill that my problem is not that Star Wars is a tragedy, its that its a badly written tragedy, is that Anakin Skywalker was at his closest to being a good Jedi when he was ten years old.
#im not an anakin apologist by any means because I get the point of his character and Im not pro or anti jedi#my only real opinion on all of it is similar to what I was saying about Peter and Tony and the MCU yesterday#its badly written. its EVERYONE being contorted into shapes that dont make a ton of sense in service to#getting characters to where they need to end up for certain things to occur#my opinion is not that Anakin is inherently bad or good or that the Jedi are inherently bad or good#its that their entire conflict was set in motion by forcing the Jedi to act in ways that felt massively OOC when they were#first interviewing him as a kid and like.....I ACCEPT that the Jedi are supposed to be for the most part kindhearted and empathetic and all#of that which is why its so noteworthy in my opinion that this does not match with how they were FORCIBLY portrayed in those early movies#in order to ENGINEER the idea that this kid in desperate need of support but already with a lot of good instincts and positive traits#came to the order of kindly supportive literal empaths and everything went downhill from there#like kindly supportive literal empaths would not in my opinion look at a kid trying his best to be brave & stoic in completely intimidating#circumstances and surroundings and be judgmental and fairly dismissive about it as though theyve never met a kid before let alone a#traumatized one and the fact that thats kinda what happened is in contrast to how a lot of pro anakin people frame that NOT proof#that the Jedi order are inherently bad its that in that key scene and multiple others#the Jedi order were BADLY WRITTEN in pursuit of one pre-determined outcome that mattered more to the script/Lucas than#being true to their core conceit and characterizations. and thats just one example out of dozens I could list and the same holds true for#anakin's side of things so thats why I always steer far away from SW discourse#because Im like the problem with the characters in terms of the most iconic arc is not really any of the characters so much#as the plots refusal to let them actually consistently BE characters rather than just fixed and contrived stepping stones on the way to#the desired endpoint
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# mood 1 + mood 2 (basically)
#only friends#only friends the series#onlyfriendsedit#*gifs#namchueam#lookjun bhasidi#she's my savior <3#i mean. for coming to me with these meme worthy reactions :')#i'd say noone of these friends are good. none. except for april and p'yo of course. for now.#not gonna lie though. watching these fucked up friends i'm having my kind of good time. the show is just as good as any other fictions.#however. it's watching the fandom that gives me a headache. i don't want it to ruin my experience in enjoying the show.#so. i'm sorry if i don't interact as much as i originally would love to with anything under the tags.#really. it's so weird that i got agitated way more by the fandom discourses or comments than the actual show itself.#it was the show that supposed to surprise me. not how a group of viewers policing reactions by others.#afterall. this is a show with so many layers that many already pointed out. so it's normal to have layers of interpretation as well.
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entrapta reminds me of those anime girls who look like they're twelve but are actually a hundred thousand years old or something.
#it's basically a way to make the character sexually appealing but also infantilized at the same time#it's that whole trope of “born sexy yesterday”#entrapta is not sexualized ofc#but i really think that nate only decided that she was in her 30s because he wanted her to get with hordak#i'm really sure that entrapta was supposed to be a teenager and they just changed that for the sake of a ship#spop critical#spop salt#spop criticism#spop discourse#spop#she ra#anti spop
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Genuinely can't understand how people can legitimately say "trying to argue that Crests are powerful and useful and writing Crests as being powerful and useful proves Edelgard right about how people wrongfully fixate on them" when Edelgard herself says she thinks she can only use her signature heavy armor because of Crests (study requests), and when she herself uses a Relic that was made specifically to be compatible with her twin Crests to use in fighting. Nearly her entire visual language as a character relies on her using her Crests, so the people trying to argue this just kinda point out how hypocritical she is lmao
#anti edelgard#anti-edelgard#edelgard critical#edelgard discourse#just to be safe#like we been knew she was but thanks for pointing out one of the biggest examples of that lmao#it's like. you can't simultaneously argue that Crests shouldn't be seen as important or valued to society and that no one needs them#and then go on to try to fundamentally change society by means only available through Crests#EDELGARD disproves her own (supposed) point about Crests being unnecessary more than anyone else does#she can't just turn off her Crests but she can control how she fights#she didn't need to specifically use heavy armor or specifically use Aymr. and yet she does. very readily#she fights in ways that SHE ADMITS are only possible for her because of Crests. but no one needs Crests. except for her. conveniently#like how is this flying over Edelstans' heads lmao. absolute experts at making Edelgard look morally worse than she already does I swear
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me in tags of posts i am reblogging with no context: haha delilah being ominous? sure. go for it
me, glancing at other posts in the CR tag immediately after that reblog: OH. OH SO LAUDNA DID GO FOR IT. IT BEING. ORYM.
#once again i indulge my curiosity by looking into the main tags. and am rewarded. if i wasnt supposed to consume the campaign this way why#is the universe REWARDING me for it#anyway pvp is SO spicy i love that. what the fuck. wild shit.#critical role#cr spoilers#laudna#orym#c3e95#i am now at peace with understanding bell's hells will just. not have more than like an episode of peace due to both external circumstances#and also How They Are. (aka their kind of non-solving conflict resolution) (said with love)#so that squared away. HELL YEAH PVP WOOOOO#okay tags are rapidly turning into discourse city which means for my own sanity. i should. look away.#which. :( alas. the meta.... the shitposts.... :(
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Very courteous of ppl to have DNIs bcos I get to find out if they have shit opinions before I have to follow them. Like if u wanna flaunt the fact that u dont think for yrself by saying 'dni bi lesbians' then I'm not gonna say no to that warning sign
#like. sigh. its been a while since ive been in discourse spaces where ppl rlly cared abt this shit#but i noticed a shift from 'dni list because i dont want these people interacting with me for personal reasons'#to 'dni list doubles as a visible way of showing whose side Youre on in discourse'#and like thats a slight distinction but an importsnt one#bcos for everyone saying dni mspec lesbians bcos theyre protecting the ~sanctity of lesbianism~ or whatever#i saw double that saying dni mspec lesbians because they were supposed to say it. saw it in other carrds and copied it#bcos they didnt want to be the odd one out or be confronted abt being on the Wrong Side Of Discoursr#anywho thats my discourse thinking quota for rhe month. im gonna get dressed and breakfast#so that i can go out and get chocolate hazelnuts :)
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john disagreeing with in his words "copying and pasting the origin story from the books into the games effectively spoiling everything about it" in his new video is so fucking based he is so real
#like yeah. i dont blame you john for making theories about the gameverse being different than the book#this is boring asf lmaoo#and he added on the '2 years before the game' for good measure like. yeah#no wonder im not interesting in Sotm. i can just go read everything itll show me in the books or watch a summary#literally sucks theyre going down this route#pandas.txt#discourse#pre sotm#so glad the fnaf fanbase has a theorist like john like#he literally is so needed in this content farm 'theorists' hell#no wonder the only people ive seen excited or looking forward to somt are#literal casual fans who wouldnt know book lore or the diehard mimic and tftp fans who know every inch of its lore#which i know the point is so the casual fans who dont know can know#but like then. literally what was the point of writing this shit in a book.#they could have just made a game about its origin and it would be new for everyone#but now they wrote a book telling everyone a character and its backstory existed before it even showed up#spoiling ruin instantly#and now its spoiling whats supposed to be its origin story by. writing its origin story years prior#surely to god there could have been a much better way to handle this
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"why didn't you call out oliver for not defending the actresses when they were getting bullied but only want him to say something when it's a white man" well you see, that's funny because i did oppose to those actresses getting bullied, now can we address why YOU 🫵 were bullying those actresses 🤨
#“why didnt you say anything when those actresses were being harassed???” well now can we talk about why you were harassing them#i am one teenager on tumblr what the fuck am i supposed to do about olivers cowardness#i said its shitty you're all mean to ana and then got told to shut the fuck up so :/#and yes you're its misogynistic that suddenly NOW there are so many people WAY more angry#correct#however the people that point this out are often ALSO a part of the group that didnt say anything#911 discourse
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