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in the era of internet where forums reigned supreme in terms of socializing, it was not uncommon for trolls to do rickroll-style misleading links that actually directed to explicit porn or shock images. there were even sites that masked obviously undesirable urls with generated urls containing domains/text that looked totally innocuous. this way the troll's targets couldn't hover their cursors over a link and know what type of page they would actually walk into.
I think this scared a lot of young people into not clicking links and instead immediately distrusting any users trying to direct them offsite. also people made sure links actually contained what was claimed before sharing them.
I'm saying this because I think those trolls inadvertantly did the internet huge service by making people question the intent of anyone supposedly providing information (though not exactly question the legitimacy of info when a link actually directed to info, that's a whole other can of worms). since no one wanted to see a guy's entire open asshole all the time, they checked account creation dates, inspected urls, went out and looked for the same info on their own, etc. before believing someone's intent was genuine.
while the trolls' behavior was obviously super inappropriate, anecdotally it seemed to improve the critical thought in online idiots who only learn and change their behavior when an issue affects them personally lol
#i mean only a small subset of people would habe experienced this sort of thing but i operated in tye bubble where it hapened#so it made the people around me specifically use their brains more lol#in my old gaia days one subforum had an unnofficial motto that was āwe dont click linksā lmao#i put so many caveats in the wording of this post that if anyone tries to argue about it i will for real scream
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Pssstt what do you think of Eloise Bridgerton?
Lots of people seem to love her and her outspokenness and I understand that the show is a very fictional very fanfiction fiction set in a very fanfiction-y Regency era and her dissatisfaction of her life as a woman is justified
But
Am I the only one who distastes her attitude? She's rude. She doesn't care about other people's feelings, not even her own mother or her sister, Daphne who yes has very different views about marriage compared to her but I think most of the time Daphne is nice towards her and all that she can spout is how she's Different and she doesn't want to marry that men had it so much better than women. It's giving very condescending energy
She's not wrong about the unfairness of women's situation but she's also a higher rank woman and it's just....*frustrated noise, I wish she's written for the show as less of a child who has just learned of the phrase 'women's right' who's made it their entire personality and more of a person who's conscious of the differences in privilege between men and women and tries to change that, emphasize in 'tries' instead of whatever she's supposed to be- whiny and rude
If she's the face of women's right movement, I'll be fine with it, but it's also very annoying
Or
Am I just weird for not liking her because she actually has some really good points? Idk
I find Eloise Bridgerton incredibly annoying and I'm not sure if the show is self-aware enough to know that they made her extremely irritating. And this also comes back to my girl sad about arranged marriage post... Caveat that it's been a while since I watched S1 & S2 of Bridgerton and I won't be watching 3 because I hated 2.
Eloise sounds and acts like an incredibly entitled university student who has never had a paying job. The stuff she says is "right" in a modern sense, or at least takes a modern perspective when it comes to women's rights, but it sounds canned given the imagined era. The big problem is that as far as I remember, Eloise only cares about women, mostly herself, and not about class. Her discovery during her investigation that servants don't have the time to publish a paper could have led to her realizing something, but it didn't. She whines about her "plight" but doesn't seem to have any real compassion for frankly anyone. It's an entirely selfish one woman campaign.
The fact is, Eloise comes from a very rich family and her siblings are very kind, she doesn't have to marry. If she is like any Jane Austen heroine, it's Emma. Austen made Emma sympathetic by showing an Emma who doesn't whine at all, but suffers from the weight of her duty and limited options. Jane Fairfax was the one who very occasionally complained about her lot in life, and her future was bleak. Being a governess sucked and was usually a dead-end job that required a ton of work.
Eloise could have been great. They could have put the words of real women's rights activists from her time period in her mouth, like Mary Wollstonecraft. They could have even borrowed from Jane Austen, who has many women beg to be regarded as "rational creatures" who know their own hearts. Instead, she feels like a hollow shell of empty rhetoric, a petulant child with no compassion for anyone but herself, and a mouthpiece of hackneyed modern sentiments.
So yeah I'm with you.
#question response#eloise bridgerton#bridgerton#I know it's imagined but at least give this character some compassion#and if you are going to imagine have her angry for the poor too
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Well, this was supposed to go on Discord... and then I wrote so many words that I broke the character limit. So, dumping it here instead!
TAJ headcanons post: Johnson brothers + their nicknames! (Light spoilers for entire series)
Mike: Okay, as much as I am a sucker for tiny!Anders calling Mike "Mikey" in the smattering of deaged!Anders fics on AO3, I had a thought the other night. From what we see in the show, by the time Anders would start talking, there isn't anyone in their lives who would likely call Mike anything but Mikkel. Both their parents solely use Mike's full name, and they're so young that they probably aren't interacting with anyone who'd call Mike something different than what their parents use. (Even Olaf calls Mike Mikkel a decent amount during the show, so if/when he'd visit during this period, it's unlikely he'd be the odd one out here.)
If Anders only knows Mike as Mikkel at this point, I doubt he'd be able to say Mike's full name at first, since Mikkel is a bit complicated to pronounce for a kid just learning how to speak. Soā¦ proposal that tiny!Anders' attempts to say Mikkel came out more as "Mik", and that's what stuck. Only gets used for a couple of years, and Ty/Axl never pick it up, since Mike has already started to go by Mike at that point. Gets used on very, very few occasions post-show once everyone's on better terms for the same reason as Andy below, with the additional caveat that Anders opts not to use it if it's not just him and Mike talking.
Anders: Two different degrees of nicknames here. Name is slightly shortened to "Ands" on occasion, mostly by Mike and Ty. Stemmed from their teenage years, stopped being used when Anders was estranged from the family, and slowly worked its way back in over time. Becomes more common post-show when everyone's on better terms again. However, Anders' original nickname was "Andy", started by Mike when Anders was very young. Lasted for a good chunk of their younger years + was also picked up by Ty when he started talking; stopped being used sometime mid-late elementary school. Not used at all for multiple decades; used on very, very rare occasions once everyone is on better terms ā means either there's a rare emotionally open moment or shit has hit the fan horribly.
(PS: Dawn is also allowed to use both nicknames. She tries not to abuse said power so Anders won't get defensive about it, but Anders secretly likes it.)
Ty: Solely goes by his nickname; doesn't like being called Tyrone. Put up with their mom using it, but that's the extent of it. None of his siblings have ever called him anything but Ty; even when the brothers are arguing, using Ty's full name is off limits. (Mike did once, very early on into being Ty's guardian. The situation was immediately made ten times worse, and that was never repeated again.) Dawn also only calls him Ty.
Axl: Never really needed a nickname due to how short his name is, and there were no younger siblings to struggle with pronouncing things. However, tiny!Axl felt left out being the only sibling without a nickname, so Anders and Ty occasionally call him "Ax", though that's less of a nickname and them half-dropping a syllable while saying his name out loud. Zeb, however, has given him a litany of goofy nicknames ā so many that nobody but Zeb remembers all of them. (Axl may roll his eyes at most of them, but he'd miss the hell of out them if Zeb ever stopped.)
#the almighty johnsons#mikkel johnson#anders johnson#ty johnson#axl johnson#mike johnson#headcanons#(still no idea on how to tag for mike consistently lol)#taj#this is 50% āI put so much thought into thisā and 50% ācanon doesnāt get to be this sentimental but I sure doā
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Going FOSS: An Intro to Open-Source software for studyblr (and also some privacy related bits)
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Intro & attempt at TLDR
Hey everyone! Today Iād like to tell yāall something about Open Source Software, and also Why this should matter to you! Thisāll probably be the first post of a series I intend to do, because I believe the Studyblr community, even the non-nerd folks, could really benefit from switching some things out in their digital environment. Since this is a long post, I attempted to summarise it below, please do read on if you have the spoons tho!
TLDR?
FOSS stands for āFree and Open Source Softwareā the āfreeā part doesnāt necessarily mean itās free as in free pizza, but mostly means free as in freedom.
Thereās a humongous amount of variants on this concept, but the core of FOSS specifically is the four freedoms:
1. To run the program however you want and for whatever you want
2. To study how the program works and to change it in whatever way you want
3. To be able to share it with whomever you feel like
4. To be able to share your modified version with whomever you want
Thereās a whole host of software licenses built around these concepts, you can check those out at the Open Source Initiative website, or at Choose A License. Both have a good summary of what they all stand for.
Open Source software is used for a lot of products, nearly every single webserver is an Apache Linux server, Google chrome is built on top of their open source chromium (google is still the devil, but yāknow, itās an example), and even deep deep down, Apple computers run on top of a Linux Kernel. Many more can be listed, but I wonāt do that otherwise this isnāt a TLDR anymore.
Now, Why is this important for you? The Open Source Initiative summed it up real nicely already, but heres a short paraphrase:
Control & Security. If software is open source then you can check if it really works the way it does, and to make sure itās not spying on you. Even if you donāt have the skills for it, someone else who does will be able to check. Also if you donāt like how something works in a program, then youāll be able to change it or find someone elseās changed version that you like more.
Training. People who want to learn programming can use the code to see what makes programs tick, as well as use it as a guide for their own projects.
Stability. Because everythingās out in the open, that means someone else can take up maintaining a project or make a successor of it, in case the original developers suddenly quit working on it. This is especially important when itās software thatās absolutely critical for certain tasks.
Community. Itās not just one program. Itās a lot of people working together to make, test, use, and promote a project they really love. Lots of projects end up with a dedicated fanbase that helps support the developers in continuing to work on the software.
Iād like to add one more tho: Privacy, which ties in a lot with the security part. Nowadays with protests going on and everything being online due to the pandemic, folks have been and will be confronted much more with the impact of privacy, and lack thereof. Open Source software means that if any company or group tries to spy on you, then you and anyone who feels like checking, will be able to know and take action on it. Hereās the EFF page on privacy and why it should matter to you
If that got your attention then read on past the readmore button! Or, if nothing else maybe check out the Free and Open Source Software portal on Wikipedia? Or maybe the resources page of the Open Source Initiative?
Terminology: Letās get that out of the way first
Open Source: The source code that a program is made up of is freely accessible, anyone can look at it and check whether it works well enough or to make sure it doesnāt spy on you.
FOSS: Free and Open Source Software. This doesnāt mean that you donāt need to pay for it, itās free as in freedom and free speech, not free pizza.
There are four freedoms associated with FOSS:
The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others (freedom 2).
The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3).
By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
FLOSS: Free and Libre Open Source Software. This time it is āfreeā as in free pizza. The ālibreā is french for āfreeā as in freedom.
GRATIS: Sometimes people use this word to mean āfreeā as in free pizza. Usually alongside āFOSSā
Licenses : A license is something that tells others what they can or cannot do with your code. Licenses also apply to art and literature, those are copyright licenses. There are many different software licenses and Iām not going to be able to list them all.
The biggest players however are:
Apache License 2.0
The 3-Clause BSD License
GNU General Public License (also known as GPL)
MIT License
Mozilla Public License 2.0
Thereās even more and you can find a list of them Here on the Open Source Initiative site Thereās so many licenses that thereās even a Choose A License site, where you can pick a license depending on what you want it to achieve
Who and/or what even uses open source software?
You donāt need to be some nerd to benefit from Open Source software, in fact, youāre using open source software right now! The biggest example is the whole entire internet. Websites are stored on servers, and nearly every single webserver is a Linux server. The second biggest browser Firefox is open source, and even google chrome is built on top of āchromiumā an open source base. If you dont use an iPhone, then youāre probably on an Android phone. Guess what? Android is part of the Android Open Source Project, which is then built upon a GNU/Linux base. All Open Source. Chromebooks? Built on top of a Linux kernel (like a non-patented engine you could put into any motor vehicle youād like). Heck, even Apple computers are, at their core, built on top of a Linux kernel.
Neat apps you may wanna check out!
Iāve made a little list of apps that might be especially useful for studyblr folks, but depending on how well this post does Iāll probably make some more posts for specific apps.
TiddlyWiki, has a bajillion different ways to organise your thoughts, and also a lot of variant builds out there. Check out their table of contents if you feel lost! Thereās versions available for most big browsers, as well as windows, linux, mac, android, and iOS.
AnyType, is an app that looks and almost exactly like notion, but is much more decentralised. Theyāre currently still in development but if you want to support them, sign up for early access and give them some feedback so they know what works and doesnāt! Theyāre still in closed alpha, but are intending to give beta access to about 100 folks at a time throughout 2021, so please sign up if this looks interesting to you!
Trilium Notes, is slightly more like a ānotebookā, however you can arrange your notes in nearly infinitely deep folders. You can use things like Relation Maps & Link Maps to visualise your notes and how they go together. Thereās even more they do and I just cant list it all, so go check out their stuff for a more comprehensive overview! Works on windows, linux, and (unsupported) mac
LibreOffice and ONLYOFFICE are two office suites that function just as well as micro$oft office, often Even Better in my experience. Iāve used LibreOffice for years now and honestly? never going back. OnlyOffice is technically free (as in pizza), but itās a slight hassle to get everything set up, cause you need to set it up on a server. They have a paid and hosted version available with educational discounts, but honestly iād go with LibreOffice.
OnePile, is an app I havenāt used myself since it only runs on Apple stuff. But Iāve heard a lot of good things about it so thatās why itās in here. It looks like it works similar to most general ānote taking notebookā apps. Looks really pretty too honestly.
EtherPad, is similar to ONLYOFFICE, however this oneās a lot more focused on specifically text documents. Works with real-time collaboration which is really neat.
Anything that FramaSoft has going on. Theyāre a non-profit organisation, dedicated to promoting digital freedom. A lot of open source cloud related things are not really useful to people who donāt have the time and/or money to set up a whole-ass server. Thatās where FramaSoft comes in, they do it for you. Just about everything they offer (hereās a full overview) are free (as in free pizza). They also have a separate site to help you get started!
Itās not free to run it all on their side, so if you find yourself interested in using their services please try to support them any way you monetarily can! (they even have a āminetestā server (not minecraft, deeeefinitely not minecraft))
Joplin!! Which is also what I used to write this post so I wouldnāt have to use The Tumbleās post writing thing. Itās good for taking notes, has a bunch of neat plug-ins, and can also sync with a variety of cloud services!
Nextcloud For if you want to go just that little bit further on the open source and the privacy. Nextcloud has honestly way too many features for me to list, but the important parts are that itās a nigh perfect replacement for office365, and probably even GSuite. The one caveat is that you either gotta host it yourself, or get someone else to host it for you. Framasoft (mentioned above), has a nextcloud instance. It works on just about every single platform, and can integrate with an absurd amount of services. Hereās a list of providers that work with nextcloud, and what different apps they have installed on their server.
I personally use Disroot, because theyāre a local (as in, my country) non-profit that offer about 2gb of free storage, and then for about 15 cents per GB per month you can get more storage if you want. They also have an email service which is hella neat. Their one main rule is Do Not Use For Business Purposes, because theyāre here to help the individual folks, not companies.
Neat Links you may also want to look at!
Here are some sources, and also resources that I used for this post. Thereās also some stuff here that I think folks may be interested in in general.
General Wikipedia Article on Open Source Software
The Free and Open Source Software portal on Wikipedia
Resources page of the Open Source Initiative
Free Software Foundation definition of āfree softwareā
itsfoss page on what FOSS means
itsfoss page on the history of FOSS
Open Source Software Foundation list of projects and apps they really like
Open Source Initiative on āthe open source wayā, and how it goes beyond software
Check out literally anything the Electronic Frontier Foundation has going on maybe?
TED talk on privacy and why itās important
The Surveillance Self Defense project by the EFF
This EFF page on privacy for students
ExpressVPN article on privacy (not necessarily endorsing this company, just a good article)
Whatās next?
Iāll probably make some more posts on specific kinds of software that I think folks may like. Or maybe a general overview on the more privacy forcused reasons and solutions for doing all of this.
Future post ideas, none of these are set in stone:
Open source Note taking apps
Replacements for just about Every Single google service I can think of
My personal setup
Open source / privacy conscious social media that studyblr folks may be into
Chatting, Calling, Videocalling: Discord and whatsapp alternatives etc
??? More studyblr apps that could do with a FOSS alternative??
How to support open source when youāre not a big fudgin nerd
How to be better at digital privacy and security, while still maintaining that studyblr aesthetic
Apps, software, other stuff, for specific areas of study maybe?
Feel free to suggest other ideas! Or leave feedback! This is my first big resource post so I wanna know if/how I can do better when I make another one!
#stuff i made#FOSS#open source#masterpost#studyblr#studyblr resources#app recommendation#studyblr tips#study blog#The Studyblr Foss Guide#athenastudying#caffeinestudy#einstetic#lattestudies#myhoneststudyblr#heypeachblossom#heyreags#stuhde#i put so much effort into this and its not even that good but i just couldnt Not post it anymore#just had to get this dang thing outta my drafts folder and not think about it too much anymore#obsidianstudy#asteristudy#heynesi
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The Queen Makes Her Choice: Part 6
This is the final chapter to a multi-part smutty fic with the MLQC boys. This might be the filthiest thing I've ever written š
This whole series is for those 18+ only.
Catch up:
part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 part 5
Miracle finder makes it impossible to see anyone, and even if it hadnāt, it wouldnāt matter.
Gavin is on a mission, Victor is on a trip, Kiro is on tour, and Lucienā¦
ā¦well, Lucien isnāt replying, or posting, or commenting.
No surprise there.
I have no idea if heāll show on Saturday even though the rest of them will be there. Iāve booked us a private room in one of Lovelandās hottest āsky clubsā - a lounge located at the top of a high rise with nothing but large glass windows and views for days to accompany the drinks and people.
It was a splurge on my salary, but I have to do this right.
If I do this right well...
...maybe there's hope of keeping them all by my side.
Thereās still no reply from Lucien as I get ready an hour before everyone is supposed to meet. I decide to tell him that I need him there, and let that be the end of it.
I donāt have much in my closet for this event, but buried in the back I find an old clubbing outfit from my birthday two years ago. The top is an iridescent blueish-purple with spaghetti straps, a revealing back, and cropped to show my midriff. I pair it with a flowy dark skirt that balances out its sex appeal, tying my hair back, and putting on a simple necklace to show off my neckline.
I feel pretty and knowing that Iām about to meet four (well, hopefully four) men who have all confessed to me, I feel confident that they will too.
ā
I arrive early and finish my drink too quickly in the hopes of calming my nerves. The waitstaff gets me another and I tell myself to cool it for fear of getting too drunk before they all arrive.
The room Iāve reserved is bigger than I expected, with seating that could easily accommodate 25 people. There are standing cocktail tables and ink blue couches that have a soft, velvet fabric accompanied by tables for drinks.
Iāve settled into the center of one of the couches and Iām distracting myself on my phone, hoping that my nerves will fade when I hear the door open.
Iām surprised that its Lucien who I see first.
āI didnāt think you were coming?!ā I say.
He kisses me before sitting next to me, looking around the room.
āI wasnāt sure if I would.ā
āBut why?ā
He sighs and shakes his head, smiling.
āToo much thinking. Too much worrying.ā
I have more questions, but I wonāt get to ask them as Victor enters next. Upon seeing Lucien I can see his defenses go up. He puffs out his chest, tilts up his chin sneering at him, making no attempt to hide what can only be described as a very sour expression.
I get up and stand between them, gently taking Victorās hand and guiding him to sit beside me on the couch. Sandwiched between him and Lucien, I thank him for coming. The mood only grows more tense with each addition.
Gavin is next.
Kiro is last.
Itās clear that they all thought I had planned something for them and them alone based on the disappointment I see on their faces when they register their competition in the room. Once theyāre all assembled, Lucien and Victor on either side of me, Gavin pouting with his arms crossed and standing by one of the cocktail tables and Kiro who paces like a wild animal in a cage, I begin.
āI know youāre all eager to understand what this is about,ā I say. āAnd I first want to thank you all for being in my life.ā
There are gruff acknowledgments all around, but no real words or statements from anyone. I can tell by the way theyāre drinking and refilling their glasses that theyāre just as nervous as I am, and not wanting to drag things out I continue.
āIāve been thinking a lot about what I want in my partner, and I keep coming back to daily life. Waking up next to someone I love each morning, making breakfast, hearing about their dayā¦ā
Itās then I look at each of them, one by one.
āā¦and Iāve come to the conclusion that none of you can do that for me.ā
āNow wait a minute,ā Gavin starts to say and I cut him off.
āYouāre always gone on some mission for God knows how long.ā
I turn to look at Lucien, āYou disappear on me at the drop of a hatā¦ā
Then Victor, āā¦you spend 50% of your time doing business outside of Loveland Cityā¦.ā
And finally Kiro, āā¦and youāre on tour for the foreseeable future.ā
They all seem bashful because they know Iām right.
They all know they couldnāt be 'the one' unless they all made major concessions for me.
āSo I think for now, until things change, I will commit to none of you and all of you.ā
Thereās shock from Gavin.
Laughter from Victor.
Annoyance from Kiro.
Anger from Lucien.
Gavin quickly spits out āThatāsā¦ā but Victor cuts him off.
āOnly fair. None of us can really run to her side when she needs us, but between the four of us we can take care of her.ā
Iām stunned that he actually agrees, not just understands.
I thought that out of the four he might be the most difficult to convince, but suddenly Iām watching as he argues with Kiro about what it means to love me. Lucien is silent, along with Gavin. They listen as they wrestle with what they already know about our world to their ability to accept being a part time boyfriend.
Thereās silence when Victor reminds them aloud of the danger I face.
Being with me is not just being there for the good times, though Iām grateful that lately thereās been many. This time of peace may disappear just as easily as it arrived and they all know it, even if they don't want to admit it.
Iām surprised when Gavin is the second to agree to keeping things as they are, with the caveat that I not think about anyone but him when weāre together. I find myself feeling shy and can feel the heat creep into my cheeks as I nod back at him, knowing that his request is easily fulfilled.
Satisfied by my reply he smirks before making it known that he doesnāt want to discuss things further and will invite me on a date soon, leaving me with the others.
I can tell that Kiro is close to compromising, but Lucien beats him to the punch.
āAlright,ā he says with that smile of his. āThis just gives you more time to decide that you love me most.ā
The comment makes Kiro look as if heās going to rip Lucienās head off, and he charges towards him. Victor puts his hand out and holds Kiro back, reminding him that this is not about how they feel about each other but how they feel about me.
Lucien quietly laughs and whispers in my ear, āI will try sticking around in the future in order to prove to you that Iām all you need, if thatās truly what youāre looking for.ā
āIt is,ā I say.
Iām not lying, but for now Iām relieved to have found a loophole.
Iām relieved that it seems I will not have to choose after all.
āWhile I donāt like the idea of leaving you with these two, I must be off to a prior commitment. I only meant to stop by because you were insistent. And because I will always be there for you, despite what you may think.ā
Heās being mysterious but I can tell whenever weāre together he canāt help but be pulled back to me as much as he tries to run away.
I can tell that he looks for excuses to be with me, even when he's busy.
āThank you Lucien,ā I say and mean it.
Iām grateful that I donāt have to say goodbye, especially to him.
Iām surprised when he kisses me, deeply, in front of the others and I can feel that his eyes are on them as he does it, almost as if heās challenging them.
When he pulls away I watch as Victor rolls his eyes as Kiro grows incensed again. Lucien pretends not to care and leaves, ignoring the string of obscenities that flows out of Kiro.
āEnough,ā Victor eventually says, sighing and returning to the couch next to me.
āI understand why weāre doing what weāre doing,ā Kiro says, still standing. āBut doesnāt it bother you seeing that?ā
āNo,ā Victor says coolly. āIt only motivates me to please her more.ā
I feel his hand wrap around my midriff and he kisses me, passionately, in front of Kiro. I let out a surprised moan and after a moment he pulls away with a smirk.
āSee?ā
Iām embarrassed and I quietly scold him for kissing me like that in front of Kiro. Not to be outdone, Kiro comes over and kisses me too. I can taste the cocktail on him and the wine on Victor and between the alcohol and their touch I realize that I feel a bit light headed.
As Kiro kisses me, I feel Victorās hand travel under my skirt and up my thigh. He starts rubbing me and I moan, prompting Kiro to deepen his kiss, moving his hands from my face to my neck and then chest. When he pulls away, Victor capitalizes on the opportunity and kisses my neck as he slides one of his fingers into me.
I can tell theyāre both more intoxicated than theyād ever admit, and to be honest, so am I.
Sober me would have stopped this but drunk me is flying high on everything that is happening. It feels too good to worry about the waitstaff walking through that door, and I close my eyes knowing that Kiro is watching Victor play with me, eagerly awaiting his turn.
Heās impatient though, and my top comes off leaving me fully exposed to both the men and the city beyond the large glass windows. I feel myself reaching for both of them, to make them feel as good as theyāre making me feel and I feel Victorās other hand unbutton his pants.
--
What happens next is a bit of a blur.
Itās almost as if I come back to myself, stripped bare and breathing heavily on a couch that isnāt mine and in a lounge where anyone could have walked in at any moment. I see the two men next to me, panting and satisfied on either side, tucking their shirts back in as they return to a disheveled version of the men that appeared earlier in the night.
I will pretend that I donāt remember bouncing on top of Victor as I sucked on Kiro. I will pretend that I wonāt remember finishing both of them on my knees, with my hands and my mouth before letting Victor finish me with his mouth while Kiro watches on, all the while stimulating my other sensitive spots.
I will pretend I donāt remember Victor playing with time to drag out my pleasure when it finally comes, and that I do not giggle when Kiro whines, āOh come on, thatās just cheatingā¦ā
When the waitstaff finally do enter, we are all fully clothed and in the process of sobering up with cold glasses of water. I worry that the room reeks of sex and that they know what happened, but it would appear that they are none the wiser.
Victor grabs the tab that I was supposed to pick up and pays for everything, leaving just as much in tip before saying to us, āLetās get out of here.ā
On the street we are silent - the cold air sobering us to the reality that lies beyond.
āDo you mind if I take her home?ā Victor asks Kiro politely, and Iām surprised when Kiro shakes his head.
āI have to catch an early flight for our next leg of the tour.ā
āYouāll keep in touch, right?ā I ask, almost scared that the greediness of my actions will catch up with me, but Kiro just smiles his bright, pop star smile.
āOf course Miss Chips. Until we meet again.ā
He kisses me sweetly, and neither he nor Victor seem to care that the other is present for this moment.
He leaves and Victor takes my hand, slowly walking me back home.
Weāre silent for a few blocks before he starts chuckling out of seemingly nowhere.
āWhat?!ā I demand.
āYou continue to surprise me.ā
I look at him, puzzled as to what heās talking about and he continues.
āIāll have to come up with a new contract to ensure I get at least one fourth of your time.ā
Heās teasing me, but I know him well enough to know that heās actually impressed at how Iāve managed to get what I want despite how things are usually done. Heās known from the start that I havenāt wanted to say goodbye.
That Iām not ready to.
Thereās kindness in what heās saying, and itās not lost on me. As much as I know he wants me for himself, he wonāt rush me.
He loves me too much to do that.
They all do.
The topic changes quite naturally and before I know it weāre chatting as if our salacious night never happened. Heās mocking me for being a glutton and Iām pretending to be outraged that heād call me such.
I invite him in because Iām back faster than I expected and to my disappointment, he refuses me.
āLFG calls,ā he says, and I can tell heās disappointed too.
āOk. Thanks for walking me home.ā
He smiles and kisses me and just as I turn to open the door to my building and head inside, he grabs my arm.
āBut now that I know what you want, soon enough you wonāt have this excuse to keep the others aroundā¦ā
He lets go and turns on his heel, not glancing back and walking away with the kind of confidence and swagger I know only he posses. My heart races as I watch him turn the corner and out of my sight before turning in.
ā
I shower the night off of me and change into cozy pajamas, crawling into bed. I have four messages, one from each of them, all wishing me good night and reminding me that this is for now.
āOne day work won't consume my life,ā Victor repeats.
āOne day I will prove to you that I can stay,ā Lucien says.
āOne day my mission will be complete,ā Gavin promises.
āOne day it will only be us,ā Kiro muses.
One day.
But until that day, I will savor having all them in my life.
And I will love them all as much as they love me, for as long as Iām allowed.
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solaine copies her dsmp meta twitter part one
preface: i wrote this on february 13th and am now archiving it over here on tumblr before i get around posting it to the actual archive (of our own). i'd like to clean it up before i go there, becuase i wrote this at like one am lying in bed and typing on my laptop that was sitting on my stomach. it's a lot of rambling. i go on a lot of tangents. it is not the cleanest nor likely most accurate meta you will ever read.
how characters (children) on the smp learn from history rather than repeat it: a thread
aka: stop liking the other one you fucks i opened the wikia so i actually know what happened now /lh
context here is that i had earlier made a much less coherent thread (not that this one is very coherent) with the caveat that i was going entirely off memory
this thread is mainly going over how tommy + tubbo both emulate and turned away from wilbur + schlatt respectively, and how i think that's going to reflect in ranboo's arc
"as long as i can't be the next jschlatt, you can't be the next wilbur." okay we all know this. it's obvious from this point on that both tubbo and tommy saw or had fears of how they were each developing into scarily familiar people - schlatt, a dictator, and wilbur, a madman.
starting with tommy, the parallels between his exile arc and wilbur's pogtopia arc are immediately, and glaringly, obvious. paranoia, trust issues, "maybe i'm actually the bad guy here", and most notably, intense loneliness. wilbur made it obvious he believed pogtopis's allies would all abandon them in the end (them being he and tommy, though how much he trusted tommy by the end is also up in the air), and he was completely prepared to kill anyone he had to in order to secure pogtopia's victory, despite also preparing himself to be the one to end it. wilbur gave up on l'manberg, at the very end. he believed tyranny was all that would ever reign, so he blew it up.
tommy, in his exile arc, was also despairingly lonely. he hallucinated tubbo, grew attached to dream, etc etc. tommy was very very close to "becoming" wilbur here (god i'm sorry this is so long already and just me summing things up we already know it's to keep my thoughts in order + satisfy my inability to shut up and use too many words)
where wilbur and tommy go their separate ways is when they were given an out. dream gave wilbur tnt + for tommy, he was. you know. gestures vaguely at logstedshire. wilbur took the out - he gave up. he gave in. we know he had moments of clarity (when niki was in danger) and Maybe this was one he could've had too, but he didn't. he took the tnt.
tommy decided enough was enough. so at a crucial moment in time, tommy turned away from being wilbur. he did not repeat history.
onto tubbo; admittedly i know much less about his arc as president so this will be less outlined. tubbo,,,, acted very similarly to schlatt. probably moreso than tommy and wilbur! strange new laws, ignoring his cabinet, execution, generally appearing to lose his care for the world and the opinions of others. i'd argue the thing that separates him from schlatt is the most important part of this thread, because it proves my point: he remembered.
i just want to clarify here: by "proves my point" i mean this is the clsoest we get to an agreement of the ideas i'm putting out here in canon?? ig?? as in like. this is the most on the nose way to say it. similarly in recent days to quackity consistently referring to his treatment of dream as torture, which seems to be a very "I Am Not In Character" move but is definitely meant for us, the viewers, rather than character dream or character quackity themselves. tubbo's is a little less like that but still it's kind of like pointing at the X on a map for us the viewers. ok tangent over
tubbo lived under schlatt's rule as one of those people he treated extremely shittily. he lived under schlatt's rule as that person he executed. and tubbo remembers all that! tubbo remembers how schlatt's rule played out, and he looks at his own uh, less than stellar time in office, and he admits this out loud (to ranboo, according to the wikia. i am getting all of this off the wikia. i did not watch any streams during this arc.) that he can See himself becoming schlatt.
and when quackity tries to execute ranboo for being a traitor, tubbo stops him.
onto dream and ranboo! dream is a special case in that we never get to see his perspective of things and are rather left to play fill in the blank, and this whole arc is special (in terms of this thread) in that it isn't over. so i will be doing a lot of extrapolating here.
dream starts out as a generally ambivalent character who has very few rules that he pretty much never bothers to enforce anyways (i think? i don't remember).
by this i mean, this is all stuff i heard secondhand in recent months and can no longer remember what it actually was because i never went back to check. i'm pretty sure, but just a disclaimer. i don't wanna get hit with an "um, actually
his villain arc starts very very early - two whole seasons before he really became one. in the war, he is the antagonist and he plays up to it! most of the war is from l'manberg's pov (or that's how we look at it now, at least) so obviously he is the Bad Guy here.
ranboo griefed a house like two days into the server. 'nuff said /lh
ranboo + dream are both heavily vilified characters from the get-go - dream's part should be fairly obvious (uh, the everything leading up the exile arc where he actually did villainous things), whereas ranboo's is most notably during the second festival's aftermath. taking the blame for blowing up the community house, wanting to "pick people not sides" (he wants all his friends to be happy - sounds familiar, right?), etc etc, and now he's with techno and phil, the former of which is Definitely considered a villain for working with dream
now many many parallels are being drawn between he and dream, especially with the whole enderwalking thing. in the aftermath of everything happening, he chooses to stay out of all conflict, until Something Happens and forces his hand. (the egg!) he wants peace for everyone, which again, sounds very familiar, right?
(slight tangent: yes, the griefing was forcing dream's hand. it's nigh impossible to construe it as anything other than a political attack - the vice president of l'manberg griefing the home of the greater dream smp's king? dream looks weak + open to attack if he lets it slide)
this was a bad way to put it but the spirit of it gets across i think. fuck character limit on twitter
that catches us up on all current lore. where do i think dream and ranboo are going to split? dream has been alone in his decision-making basically since the very first war. not once has he (successfully, we don't know if he tried) gone to fall back on his friends' support and ask for their help in making these hard decisions (of which there are many). he severs his final connections ("i don't care about anything on this server") and cements his place in history as a monster.
i think it is very likely that we are getting a ranboo "friendship and relying on other people" arc here. there are other ways they could go with it, obviously, but given his current arctic anarchist ties and what appears to be other friendships developing. hmm! i'm interested. this part is entirely speculation/extrapolation. point being. the kids on the smp do, in fact, learn from history. they still make mistakes sometimes, but past a certain point, they're always different mistakes. they learn, and they almost always get happier endings for it
i don't know if it's a coincidence that it's the three lore-relevant kids who are the ones doing this. i don't think it is, because this is a very well-written and clever story. the younger generation is the one learning and fixing past mistakes and leaving the world better off for it. that's very neat! i like it a lot. also now that purpled's becoming lore-relevant, goddamnit if i don't want to see next season being his "learning from history" arc. punz vs purpled, maybe? that'd be neat. who knows. ok i think im finally done lol ty for reading :)
caveat I forgot to add last night: obviously ranboo and dream start out in very different positions, moreso than both tommy and tubbo. but at the end of the day, all three of them are their own people who just happen to take after other people in some ways :)
again, ty for reading! here's the original thread. i'd like to add that this is probably out of date and i may come back to it some day but who knows. maybe this will just be a relic of before Now (may 25)
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I wrote a big long post, and Iām not quite sure what my point is and also itās 2am so by the end itās pretty much nonsensical but I just wanted to get some feelings out in words, itās more of a For Me thing really but idk, someone else might feel similar so:Ā
Been thinking about Stuff recently and as I am want to do with every thought that rattles through my hollow little head, Iāve tried sifting it through a jmart lens. This originally came from a discussion I was having yesterday about how the fan base has changed a lot since jmart became canon, especially in terms of new people listening. But it was more in the context of it... I think thereās a tendency when people listen, specifically ones who came because theyāve seen fan art or they heardĀ āomg canon gays!ā (Itās really becoming the new Night Vale and I have Thoughts on that but thatās for a separate post) to listen through the show as a means to get to them beingĀ āa canon coupleā.Ā
And I suppose thereās a route I could go down here where I talk about how thatās kinda derisive to the show to treat this whole complex story as only a vehicle to get you to the concept of boys kissing, but to me itās more like... I meanĀ āfandomsā as they are now, really do have a tendency to put an emphasis on romance as the main thing to be focused on, even in media where it isnāt found, thatās old hat. But I Donāt Like That. I mean, obviously I love romance stuff, I read as many fluffy jmart fics with 0 bearing on canon as the next person, Iāve been writing those since season 3 when we had no idea this was coming, when it was still āthe dinghyā to a lot of people.
But the whole kind of overview of it is reductive not just to the show but to other forms of relationships I think? Again this isnāt TMA exclusive, this is a common thing, Iām just filtering through one specific thing here. One of my favourite quotes from Jonny was from the S4 Q&A, when he was explaining why Daisy and Basira arenāt a romantic couple, which is a whole OTHER thing and peopleās ignoring of his whole logic for that has made me kind of prickly against the ship now, but thatās another topic. Anyway, he saysĀ āSo, with each relationship within the series there is a specific thing that Iām trying to explore. A specific dynamic that I feel is- is the core of the relationship in something that I am really interested in exploring.ā And I adore seeing TMA through this lens. With each character Jon meets, trying to figure out what it is that their specific dynamic with him is supposed to convey. How the whole show is about how people interact with each other and thatās why to me when you boil Jon down to his only relationship being his romantic one is just feels off.Ā
Like I adore jmart, I truly do, and I get why theyāre the most common. Romance is easy and fun to write about, and theyāre the two main characters, theyāre the ones we lock onto because we spend so much time with them. But if you sat me down and told me to make a list of my favourite dynamics in TMA, personally I would have them ranked third. I would rather talk about Jon and Georgie all day firstly, and then after that Jon and Gerry. Maybe thereās not as much to say for those two dynamics as their is for jmart due to the sheer amount of jmart interaction and content we have in canon, but I think the dynamics that are being explored there are more appealing to me personally to look at.Ā
Another thing is this notion that relationships only really start when theyāre agreed upon to be a reciprocated romantic partnership, and I think thatās something often missed when people rush forward to get to S5 and see them act all coupley. This idea that their interactions only matter if theyāre in service to a ship. I donāt think people ignore them interacting before that, but more that people have a tendency to hone in on the parts they think they can point at and goĀ āSee, see, thatās where he has a crush on him!ā. As if their dynamic wasnāt interesting in itself before it became romantic, and only holds worth once they have feelings for each other in a romantic manner rather than simply caring about each other, or even how they might not care at the start. Like, if you are friends with someone for five years, and then get a crush on them for one year, and then start dating, you have had a relationship with this person for six years but the one year of your feelings being romantic doesnāt change the five years to be un-platonic, you were just friends then even if feelings came later.Ā
Side note -Ā Obviously the romance gives it obvious appeal and reason for acclaim because if you come to TMA from out of an audio drama sphere, you are likely starving for healthy gay content and so of course you want to focus on that bit of rep. But thereās better media for that, audio is full of it, just because TMA is the popular show doesnāt mean itās what youāre looking for if you genuinely donāt like horror or the story itās telling and are only there for the romance. You can shop around a bit until you find the story you want, I promise you itās out there if you go looking.
Back from the side note - I think what I mean to say is. This is probably me venting my frustration at allonormativity a little in pushing romance as The Superior Dynamic and all other relationships a character has as side notes. Though obviously thereās the caveat that Martin is Jonās most important relationship to him, hell he called him his reason! But maybe Iām just a little frustrated at their romance being treated as a crux of the show instead of one important thread in a whole woven tapestry of themes and relationships. Again this isnāt dunking on anyone for making fluffy content because I will be sitting here gobbling that up, itās just more of a... Vent at the way relationships are viewed in general? A bit of aĀ āFunny, you criticise the prioritising of romantic relationships over all other kinds but yet you partake in the writing of non-relevant fluff fics!ā I know, but thereās absolutely a place for them because theyāre Good I think I just feel like they shouldnāt be the overwhelm if that makes sense? Even some of the stuff Iāve said here now that I look back doesnāt even really apply to jmart specifically so itās more just. throwing my thoughts at a wall and using jmart to understand some of it I guess.Ā
#My Post#I am unsure what im saying really. i need sleep perhaps#when i read this tomorrow it'll be NONSENSE wont it
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Flamethrowerās Alleged Harassment
Whatās going on?
deadcatwithaflamethrowerĀ has suggested she is the victim of a targeted campaign of harassment, and along the way sheās used some antisemitic dogwhistles, which would be problematic on its own, but is especially insidious IMO given the topic of the alleged harassment.
I am positive that I am one of the people she says harassed her, though I maintain I did no such thing.Ā
Iām going to attempt to provide the fullest accounting of these events possible, with the caveat that I simply donāt have copies of a few key pieces of evidence.
If youāre going to follow along, I ask you read all the screenshots and quotations carefully, because the details do matter if you want a complete picture.
The first two sections are background info for those unaware of a few relevant facts. The issue of alleged harassment follows.
Jewish Snape
Flamethrower has written a long, serial HP fic called Of a Linear Circle. In it, Severus Snape is portrayed as Jewish. While his Jewishness is touched upon in multiple chapters across multiple parts of the series, this is how it is introduced:
āI didnāt know you were Jewish.ā
Severus rolls his eyes and taps the bridge of his nose. āIt isnāt obvious?ā
Nizar gives him a baffled look. āWhat does your nose have to do with it?ā
āItās aā¦stereotype.ā Severus grimaces at Nizarās continued look of confusion, but he still meets older adults whoāve never heard the word used that way. āRacism.ā
āOh. Idiots,ā Nizar mutters. āBesides, if you wanted to see some truly horrific examples of nasal protuberances, youād find yourself a Viking whoād had their nose broken four or five times.ā
I applaud including Jewish characters in fic, even in the case where they are not Jewish in canon. Positive portrayals of Jewish characters should be encouraged throughout fandom.
Picking Snape to be the character from Harry Potter to reframe as Jewish is a complicated choice, because of the vile and enduring antisemitic stereotype relating to Jewish people having large, ugly noses.Ā
Consider the following quote spoken by the Marauderās Map in POA:
Mr. Moony presents his compliments to Professor Snape, and begs him to keep his abnormally large nose out of other people's business.
Mr. Prongs agrees with Mr. Moony, and would like to add that Professor Snape is an ugly git.
Mr. Padfoot would like to register his astonishment that an idiot like that ever became a professor.
Mr. Wormtail bids Professor Snape good day, and advises him to wash his hair, the slimeball.
Leaning into a stereotype is a difficult choice. Itās not bad, but it should be handled with some thought. IMO you either need to ignore the canon association with Snapeās nose, or you need to deliberately deconstruct it.
Flamethrower did neither. This by itself I would not say is antisemitic, merely clumsy. She went to great efforts to portray Snapeās Jewishness positively, and I honestly applaud that.Ā Ā
But I know Iām not the only person who encountered it and was uncomfortable with the antisemitic stereotype being on display so clumsily. Not that I thought it meant flamethrower or her fic were antisemitic, just that this particular use of a stereotype was uncomfortable.Ā
A Thread about Hebrew
Of a Linear Circle is heavily concerned with linguistics. It features discussions of many languages, including Hebrew. One of those discussions contains an error, a faulty transliteration. This is a minor mistake, and in a fic with so many linguistic discussions, some mistakes would happen for even a true polyglot.
The problem is that when a Jewish fan commented with a polite suggestion of a fix to the error, flamethrower proceeded to Goysplain both Hebrew and the Shoah to her.
Itās not a good look. Itās arrogant and condescending. By itself, though, itās not antisemitic, just an author being a little too defensive and overbearing. But itās there, and more than a few Jewish fans noticed it because flamethrower has promoted the fact that Snape is Jewish in this fic.
Where the Harassment Supposedly Begins
At some point, a Jewish fan (who implicitly identifies herself as such later), leaves a comment on the chapter of flamethrowerās fic with the potentially upsetting antisemitic nose stereotype.
The request is for a tag or warning of some kind for the comment, just so it doesnāt take readers by surprise. Perhaps requesting the fic as a whole be tagged withĀ āantisemitismā is a step too far and would seem bizarre, but the gist of the comment is a request for a content warning. Flamethrower could have sorted out a note or a less inflammatory tag if she cared to do so, but she never replied to this comment.
The fact that she didnāt reply to this comment doesnāt matter really. She gets a lot of fic comments, so the idea she missed one or didnāt feel like replying isnāt the issue.Ā
But this comment was left on August 10, and when it received no response for a week, I believe the same fan sent flamethrower an ask on the same topic, which is where the saga of supposed harassment begins.
The Ask
The text of the ask was as follows:
HI! I LEFT YOU A COMMENT RECENTLY ON YOUR FIC OF A LINEAR CIRCLE, BUT I CAN SEE YOU WERE VERY BUSY AND PROBABLY DIDN'T SEE IT. I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING, BUT WOULD YOU MIND TAGGING IT FOR THE ANTISEMITIC HUMOR IN IT? I KNOW IT WAS MEANT IN GOOD FAITH AND YOU HAD A JEWISH FRIEND CONSULT, BUT NOT ALL JEWS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH JOKING ABOUT STEROTYPES, AND FOR THOSE OF US THAT AREN'T, A LITTLE WARNING WOULD BE VERY KIND. THANK YOU!ā queried by heatherly84
I consider this fairly innocuous and polite. As I said above, perhaps the reasonable outcome wasnāt the exact tag suggested, or even a tag at all--maybe a note in the intro notes of the chapter warning for it would have sufficed.
But this is how flamethrower responded:
So, because you had a single moment of twinge due to a child characterās self-consciousness regarding their appearance and their religion as they struggle to come to terms with stereotypes they face every dayā¦you want me to add a tag to my fic that will see it immediately black-listed as anti-semitic even though itās absolutely nothing of the sort.
No. No, I will not.
I am not here to gatekeep your internet experience. If that moment made you uncomfortable, you should a) think about what the character was going through instead of expecting it to be the author being a dick, and b) click your back button.
EDIT: No, wait. Iām not done.
What really gets me here is that you are asking me to tag a scene as anti-Semitic when this underconfident Jewish-born child, already dealing with horrible stereotyping, is promptly reassured by an Adult that there is nothing wrong with his faith or his appearance, and said child shouldnāt put stock into the people doing the stereotyping.
You want me to tag something as Bad that is meant to be enouragement for anyone in that position, a common theme in YA lit.
Are you sure itās the perceived anti-Semitism thatās the problem, or is it something else entirely?
I saw the ask and flamethrowerās response shortly after it was posted on her tumblr. To say I found the response troubling is an understatement.
Flamethrower condescends to a fan asking, not for any substantive change or edit to the fic, but to a mere content warning.
Flamethrower presumes to tell someone how they must feel about the handling of antisemitic stereotypes in a fic, which would be bullshit even if she didnāt handle this particular antisemitic stereotype so clumsily.
Flamethrower accuses the fan of some secret and malicious motive because she, the author, is overly defensive.
Particularly considering the topic of antisemitism, I found the response wanting, so I decided I should say something.
The Submission
In an attempt to convey to Flamethrower that the concerns about the antisemitic stereotyping of Snapeās nose wasnāt the concern of a single fan, and to try to open a dialogue and point out some other missteps I felt she had made in the general region of Jewish representation in fandom and antisemitism, I decided to send her a submission.
I am an ancient member of fandom from the days of usenet and livejournal, and to be honest I just never got tumblr, so I had to create an account solely for this purpose. Iām sure that makes me sound like a bizarre dinosaur, but itās the truth. And I created this account and wrote up a submission to flamethrower and sent it in.
Admittedly, my tone was a little sharp in a few places due to very genuine frustration, but as I tried to make clear, I was trying to appeal to her to do better, not simply condemn, and definitely not harass.
The following is the full and exact text of my submission to flamethrower:Ā
I feel that you're being deeply disingenuous. You introduced Snape being a Jew in your fic with the following lines:
āI didnāt know you were Jewish.ā
Severus rolls his eyes and taps the bridge of his nose. āIt isnāt obvious?ā
And a Jewish person rather politely asked you to mark it as referencing antisemitic stereotypes, because holy fuck you made a character whose nose is remarkably large in canon Jewish and leaned into that in. Sure, you followed it with a joke about Viking noses, but that's not the deconstruction you seem to think it is. It's just a handwave that accomplishes nothing.
That, by itself, I could maybe give a pass, but then there's this comment thread: https://archiveofourown.org/comments/113294382 Someone tells you they're Jewish and gives you a bit of helpful advice about a bit of Hebrew linguistics that you have absolutely and totally wrong; it's not something, as you suggest in your replies, that varies with regions. It's universally understood, but you talk over the person whose cultural language you're using as if you know better.
But the part that really crosses the line is that you say the following in your scramble to throw shit against the wall to insist you could be right:
Then there are the parlances common to specific groups that are just fucking GONE because of the Holocaust, and we don't have any way now to know how they might have said certain words.
You Goysplain the Shoah to a Jew.
If you actually care as deeply about positive representations of Jewish characters in fandom as you say you do, maybe listening to actual critiques from actual Jews should be a thing you do, instead of reacting defensively and shutting them down.
Also, please never refer to a person as "Jewish sidekick" again, as you did in that thread. Unpacking the baggage there would take a separate submission. I'm taking the time to write this out, perhaps foolishly, because I hope you're sincere about caring and will actually listen. Shutting down the voices of Jewish people is not a part of portraying Jewishness positively in fandom. I hope you can see that and will listen and do better.
She posted and responded to this. I donāt have a screenshot of her response, nor do I have the full text because of how quickly she deleted it, but I do have a partial quote of her response:
However, you did accuse a Jewish woman by proxy of Goysplaining, which I find incredibly insulting on my best friendās behalf. (She wants her name left out of it for anxiety reasons, and given how this is probably going to turn into a huffing and puffing Drag Down The Evil Witch Goyim thing, I donāt blame her.)
This bit of rhetorical gymnastics on her part served an interesting and infuriating purpose. I objected to her refusing to listen to actual Jewish fans trying to tell her things on multiple occasions, and I also criticized her use of the āI canāt have done anything wrong, my best friend is Jewish,ā defense. Here she doubled down on that defense, essentially saying the person she has referred to on multiple occasions as her āJewish Sidekickā insulates her from all possible problematic statements re: Jewishness.
The rest of her response was equally inane, but as I canāt quote it directly in her own words, I canāt justify saying more about it.
A Second, Unpublished Ask
As I mentioned above, Iāve never really used Tumblr. The difference between submitting posts and submitting asks confused me. I knew the original request for a content warning tag was an ask and that Iād done a post. I was afraid I should have sent an ask instead.
I was also rereading her response to heatherly84, and I was annoyed that she didnāt get why the joke about Snapeās nose wasnāt okay.
So I sent in an ask before my submission was posted and responded to.
I donāt have the text of my ask, but I give flamethrower permission to post it in full if she chooses. I recall saying two things:
1) In the form of a question, I tried to walk her through understanding why the joke about Snapeās nose could still read as antisemitic.
2) I acknowledged Iād sent the submission, and said I would prefer she respond to it, since it was more detailed.
Perhaps I committed some terrible tumblr faux pas in submitting a post and an ask on the same topic closely together and that constitutes harassment.
I suspect the former is true but the latter is not.
Flamethrower Deletes Posts and Claims Harassment
In a matter of minutes after flamethrower posts my submission and her response, she deletes it. A new post goes up.
I have to assume the combination of two asks and a submission is what she is saying is harassment. Youāve seen the text of one ask and one post, so hopefully youāll agree one ask was very polite and the post was slightly terse but A) not harassment, B) not an ad hominem attack, C) and a list of reasons why she was wrong to do certain things, not a list of reasons why she as a person was awful. I maintain the unpublished ask is in the same vein, and she is free to publish it in full if she chooses.
Then she begins posting more, and her claims about what she was sent escalate.
Here we have what is called a dogwhistle: sheās not saying evil Jews are conspiring against her to make her look bad. However, in response to criticisms of potentially antisemitic behavior, she falls back on the trope ofĀ ādeviousā Jews in a malicious conspiracy. This is problematic, and I will say flat out it is antisemitic.
She also misrepresents what was going on: Jewish fans asking her to listen to them without being condescending. Jewish fans asking for a single content warning.
I believe at this point I sent either another ask or submission, with the gist being,Ā āIf youāre going to post about things I submitted to your tumblr and characterize them a certain way, I would appreciate it if you reposted them so viewers could judge for themselves whether what youāre saying is accurate.ā
Continuing to engage was a mistake, clearly.Ā
Her vague posting with the context hidden continued.
And she ends by going full non-sequitur.Ā
She never raised not wanting to attract white supremacists and Nazis as a reason to avoid a warning tag.Ā
She condescended and attacked and told a Jewish fan her reactions were invalid.
If flamethrower cared about Jewish representation in fandom, opposing antisemitism, and Jewish fans, she could have compromised with some sort of warning in some fashion.
Even if she were absolutely opposed to a warning of any kind, she could have not condescended and invalidated the experiences of Jewish fans trying to speak with her.
Even if she couldnāt do that, she could have avoided deleting all context and then going on a posting spree that suggests an evil Jewish conspiracy is harassing her.
The only conclusions I can draw from all of this are as follows:
1) Engaging with flamethrower as a person who cares about Jewish fans is a mistake, because she cares more about presenting herself as an authority on Jewish experiences to non-Jewish fans than she does to listening to any critique, no matter how minor or polite, from a Jewish fan.
2) Flamethrower is happy to oppose antisemitism in the shallowest possible way to pat herself on the back and seek congratulations from others, but the second sheās in conflict with actual Jewish people, she resorts to vague and just barely deniable antisemitism herself.
3) Flamethrower is unable to accept anything she perceives as criticism, no matter how kindly itās presented, because sheās too invested in presenting herself as the absolute expert on every topic she has passingly researched for a fic. Her defensiveness over a trivial topic is merely odd, but on more serious topics, it becomes problematic.
4) No one has harassed flamethrower, and nothing she is construing as harassment is part of aĀ āsetupā or conspiracy.
5)Ā I probably donāt know how to use Tumblr properly.
Edited to Add: What I Think Is a Lie
I have been refreshing flamethrowerās tumblr nearly non-stop since this began, as have several people I know. Unless the offer of a different tag occurred in a private message, I am confident in saying it is a lie, particularly given her instant negative reaction to the very idea as shown above. If screencaps are provided, I will of course retract this and apologize.
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Can you talk on the phone while having the tv/radio on? >> I donāt talk on the phone, period. But no, I would turn anything noise-making off if I were going to use the phone. I can barely process phone speech as it is.
When was the last time you went over a speed bump? >> The last time Sparrow drove us back into the complex through the northwestern entrance.
What is the nearest school to where you live? >> Thereās a school like a quarter-mile away from me.
What size are all the televisions in your house? >> The one television that we have is about 30ā³, I think.
Do you have health insurance? >> Technically, I have Medicaid, but it covers so little and has so many caveats that I might as well call myself uninsured for all the good it does me.
How many times have you been pulled over by the cops while driving? >> ---
What is one of your favorite movie lines? >>Ā āFear me, love me, do as I say, and I will be your slaveā is the first thing that came to mind. I basically just donāt remember many movie lines. But Iāve seen Labyrinth like a million times and it has a lot of dramatic-ass theatrical lines that are easier to remember, so.
Describe your teeth: >> I donāt know what you want from me, man, theyāre just teeth. Nothing remarkable about them.
How many posters are up in your house? What are some of them of? >> Thereās a Wovenhand concert poster, a Sucker Punch movie poster, and a trio of Dark Tower movie posters in the living room. Thereās also a Cradle of Filth album release poster in my room, and I only remember itās there when surveys ask and then Iām likeĀ āI should take that downā and then promptly forget about it again.
How many clocks do you have in the house (including on the microwave, etc.)? >> Well, thereās the one on the microwave, and thereās clocks in every computer and phone. Thereās also a Dark Tower clock on my wall, but I refuse to put a battery in it because I hate the sound it makes.
What is one thing you look forward to every day? >> Every day? Canāt imagine what there is to look forward to every single day.
What is one thing you dread every day? >> I dread the days I have to shower. It just... never gets easier. :/
When was the last time you cleaned your ears via QTip? >> I donāt use Q-Tips to clean my ears.
When was the last time you clipped your nails? >> I donāt remember. I clip them fairly often because I hate the feeling of my fingernails on the keyboard.
How many remotes do you need for your living room tv? >> One.
Ever lived through a natural disaster? >> I was in NYC during Sandy, but I wasnāt personally affected.
Whats the longest youve lived without electricity? >> I donāt know. Not long.
Name all the drugs you have tried: >> Yawn.
Name all of the alcoholic beverages you have tried:? >> Oh, dude, thatās nigh impossible.
Name all the types/brands of cigarettes you have tried: >> That might be a little easier. Newport, for sure... Camel... Pyramid, Marlboro, Virginia Slims... uhh... L&M, is that what it is? Something like that... Pall Mall, Maverick... yeah maybe this is harder than Iād originally thought. Thatās all that I can remember right now, but I think that might cover it.
Do you like candles? >> Sometimes. Only certain ones.
Do you like to do puzzles (crosswords, word find, Soduku, etc.)? >> I do. Especially crosswords.
On a scale 1-10 how intelligent do you consider yourself? >> ---
What is one thing you stand strongly for? >> ---
Post a picture of someone important to you, tell me who they are and why theyāre important: >> No.
Do you have a blue ray player? >> Well, I have a PS4.
If you could be the owner of one site what would it be? >> I donāt want to own a site.
What does your doormat say? >> The doormat was knitted by Sparrowās grandmother and it has some cats on it andĀ ābest friendsā. Personally, I try to ignore it. Not really my style.
What is something you always have in your fridge? >> Condiments.
Who was the last person you were on hold with (on the phone)? >> ---
When was the last time you were sick? >> ---
Who do you know thats pregnant? >> ---
Who do you know thats had a baby recently? >> ---
Do you know anyone whom got married recently? >> I donāt think so. You can imagine that there arenāt many weddings happening right now.
Do you know anyone who has died recently? >> No.
How many surveys a week do you think you do? >> Er... maybe... 10 or so?
What age can you not wait for? >> ---
Do you change songs in the car often? >> Iām not usually the one playing music in the car.
Name all sports teams youāve been on: >> ---
Name all the drugs youād never do: >> I think I can safely say Iād never do crack cocaine. Even when I was doing all kinds of other shit, I persistently avoided that one. Guess thatās the best thing that ever came out of that first relationship -- aversion to crack aināt a bad thing to develop.
What is the most alcohol youāve drank in a night? >> Oh, I donāt know. Itās not like I was keeping track, whenever it was.
What do you order from McDonalds? >> I donāt really eat there anymore. I have no idea what I would order from there now.
What do you order from Burger King? >> ^
What do you order from Wendys? >> ^
What do you order from Sonic? >> I ate at Sonic once and that was when I first moved out here, because I wanted to experience the novelty. From what little I remember of the food, I probably wouldnāt ever go there again.
What do you order from Taco Cabana? >> Never heard of this.
What do you order from White Castle? >> I donāt go here.
What do you order from Taco Bell? >> I havenāt been here in a while, and the only time I did go here was because it was the only place in the mall that I could stand and afford. I mean, A&W is all right but... generally I donāt want a whole ass burger and shit at the mall.
What do you order from What-a-Burger? >> We donāt have those in this region.
What do you order from pizza places? >> A veggie pizza. Thin crust if possible.
What do you order from most sit down restaurants? >> That would obviously depend on the restaurant.
What street sign do you find totally pointless? >> I donāt think Iāve ever seen a totally pointless street sign...
What drinking games have you played? >> Just Quarters. Never again.
When was the last time you vacuumed? >> Yesterday. I think. Either yesterday or the day before.
How many tattoos do you have? >> Three.
How many tattoos do you want? >> Three billion.
Whats something thats high priced that you just hate to buy? >> Most things, from my point of view.
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Questions Meme!
Hello, yes, this HAS in fact been sitting in my drafts for ages and ages. Thank you to bothĀ @crazy-fruitĀ and @ruby-red-inky-blue for tagging me and for waiting forever for me to answer (oops)! Iām sorry I took so long, but yāall ask really good questions and I had to think about some of them!
Question Set 1
1. How are you?
Oh, Iām doing alright! Thank you for asking. The earlier part of this year was rather rough, but therapy has been helping. Iāve been rather busy these past few weeks with traveling, and my schedule going forward is rather busy, too, so while Iām excited for those things, Iām also excited for the eventual moment I can just relax.
2. What would you say are your talents?
Writing. Making fancy color-coded spreadsheets. Iāve been told that my super power is getting random (annoying) songs stuck in other peopleās heads. Does that count as a talent?Ā
3. If you had the chance to start your life again, would you take it?
NOPE. No thanks. I like where I am at right now, and I would not want to relive my awkward years. Er, at least, my more awkward, younger years. Cuz Iām totally still awkward. Just less awkward. I hope?
4. Which language would you like to speak instantly?Ā
HMM. ALL OF THEM. Itās really hard to choose!Ā
Language fascinates me, and in another life I feel like I would have devoted a lot more time to learning more of them. Unfortunately, I really hated German class in high school because of the teacherās tendency to put people on the spot -- I think that is sort of inherent in a language class, but I get anxiety speaking in public.Ā
Anyways, I suppose Iāll answer Turkish to this question, since spouse and I keep saying weāre going to try to learn Turkish via Duolingo. For the record, my HS offered six languages, which was the most Iāve ever heard of an American school offering, and I was always quite happy with my choice of German. (The others were Spanish, French, Italian, Chinese, and Latin.) I do wish I had maintained my German better, and I that I had more time to learn Spanish.Ā
5. Where would you like to be right now?
Honestly? Iām pretty happy when Iām at home. But if I had to answer where āelseā would I like to be right now, out of the whole world? Being back on safari in Botswana is a top contender, as are a variety of places in Turkey, and also Munich.Ā
6. What name would you give yourself?
Iāve always liked my actual name (Elizabeth). I know I go by Liz; one of my HS friends was quite stubborn and Iām a bit stuck with it now, but I donāt mind it. There are worse nicknames that come from Elizabeth.Ā I used to go by Fiona online; Iāve always been fond of that one.Ā
7. What is something youāre currently learning?
OOF, what a good question. I sorta blanked on this at first, and my first thought was uhhhh learning how to cope with my OCD??? Iām doing exposure therapy right now, ish. Emphasis on the ish. Also mindfulness. Does that really even count? I started a beginnerās knitting project several months ago that I never finished, does that count? (I just need to seam it, thatās what Iām putting off. I have knit plenty of scarves; however, this is my first hat.) Iām sort of teaching myself ukulele although I havenāt really learned any new chords or songs in awhile. I would very much likeĀ to take more photography classes with a focus on wildlife photography. That involves buying a new camera and... signing up for classes.Ā
Question Set 2
1. What is a detail in a piece of art/a text that you like that you really admire?
This was very difficult, at first because it was like looking at a bin full of loose things and just seeing an assortment of color and being overwhelmed by it all, and then because once I did start digging around, I kept finding different ideas and it was too hard too choose.
Character-building: In theĀ A Song of Ice and FireĀ series, when Arya starts working for the House of Black and White, Martin stops using theĀ nameĀ āAryaā as she dons different identities. For example, he usesĀ āCatā for a bit, among other names. It shows sheās trying to be someone else, but the caveat is that there are still little mannerisms and such that show she hasnāt really left Arya behind (I think maybe she bites her lip or something? I donāt remember specific examples because itās been over 5 years since I read these books, but I do remember really appreciating the general technique at the time).Ā
Music: In The BeatlesāĀ āI Want You (Sheās So Heavy)ā I love those repeated arpeggios, over and over, building, intensifying, as the white noise comes in and you can just feel the heaviness of desire, of want...Ā (and then I love how it just breaks so suddenly! And I know it wouldnāt have been intended this way because thatās the end of side one, but since I listen to the whole album on spotify, then those bright chords of āHere Comes the Sunā come in and god Abbey Road is the best Beatles album)
Writing: the poetry of Florence + The MachineāsĀ āAll This and Heaven Too,ā obviously, since literally the title of my blog comes from that. Iād quote that whole song honestly. Thereās something that speaks to me about the incapability of language to fully encompass just... everything. I mean, love in specific here, but also just everything. Words are just these little boats we put meaning on and we hope they make it to the other side but everyone takes āem a little differently.Ā
Like, look at this:Ā
And the words are all escaping, and coming back all damaged And I would put them back in poetry if I only knew howĀ
And this:Ā
Words were never so useful So I was screaming out a language that I never knew existed before
Anyways, thereās also something just incredibly soothing about the music, too, and how she sings the song. Thereās another line, from Sara BareillesāĀ āMiss Simoneā that goesĀ āHow does she know what a heart sounds like?ā which pretty much sums up how I feel aboutĀ āAll This and Heaven Tooā (and also many of Sara Bareillesā song, especially that particular album, but I digress).
Anyways I did have some art examples, but I think Iāve rambled long enough.
2. Is there an idea that you really liked but had to discard because you couldnāt get it to work?
If I really like an idea, I donāt reallyĀ ādiscardā it so much as put it on the shelf to attempt later. Out of recent fic ideas, Iāve really struggled withĀ āHow to Lose a Spy in 10 Days.ā I first thought of this in late spring 2017, and for awhile I couldnāt stop thinking about it, but I was working on Whatever I Do at the time, and wanted to wait before starting another WIP. By the time I got to writing this, the inspiration well had sort of dried up.Ā
I really like the idea of a fun cat-and-mouse rom-com idea where Jyn and Cassian keep outsmarting each other, with a whole lot of competency kink, someĀ āoh shit we actually work well together!ā and maybe some battle couple. And I was really looking forward to both the moment when they both finally let their guards down around each other and the big confrontation when they actually find out each otherās identities. But it involved more mission writing than I was prepared for, and I really struggled with it. I think I need to start over but that involves a lot of working, so itās unfortunately shelved for now, and Iām working on aĀ āYouāve Got Mailā concept instead.
3. Is there something fandom-related you would like to be able to do (i.e. Iād like to be able to make gif sets but canāt)?
Oh, yes, absolutely! Really anything thatās not writing related, lol. Gif sets, art, etc. But most of all, I have a music video idea for the songĀ āSo Closeā from Enchanted--like I have a whole story board plotted out in a google doc. But I donāt have any video editing software, donāt even know how you get the scenes for a music video, etc. I have made videos before, but not since high school, and I donāt even have the cheap, basic video editing program I used back then. Sometimes I think I should just attempt make a gif set instead, but there are so many lyrics! and scenes that go with the lyrics! that I donāt know how to consolidate it into that format anyways.Ā
4. What is a skill youāve acquired through fandom work?
Hmm, this was tough. Iām going to say HTML. Iām not up-to-date on webdesign at all, but back in my early fandom days, I ran a few fansites. I still sometimes use HTML while leaving comments or to edit posts on dreamwidth or w/e. Itās super basic, but it has helped me at work at a variety of jobs. I take it for granted that people my age should know basic HTML, but a lot of them donāt, and then a lot of people I work with now are older and definitely not tech savvy.Ā
5. Do you think anyone can learn to create great art, or does it take talent?
Well, Iām going to cheat a little. I do think think that anyone can learn to create great art, but I also think that everyone has a talent at something, and part of learning to create great art is recognizing your skill sets and honing those. If that makes sense? Iāve sort of seen both sides to this. Iāve seen naturally talented people create great things, but I also think that theyāre probably cheating themselves if theyāre not learning and honing their craft and trying to get better. But Iāve also seen people who started out making things that maybe you wouldnāt call great, but they worked hard over and over again, and looking at their work now, youād say they were talented without ever knowing the difference. Great art = talent + learning + passion. Did that even answer the question? ...moving on
6. Do you prefer AUs or in-universe? Why?
I prefer to write in-universe, for sure. I find modern AUs more challenging, mostly because--and I feel kinda bad saying this--itās very difficult for me to tap into Jyn and Cassianās characters without some kind of tragic background. Their experiences and how they coped with them shape their personalities, and itās really hard to separate them from those. My WWII was easier because, hey, itās war, not so different from in-verse. But I initially tried to write Learning Curve in a modern AU and I was just totally bored. Putting it in universe made it more interesting to me, especially having to finagle a happier plot inverse. IDK, it might even be that I generally struggle to make up any conflict in modern AUs that feels interesting.
THAT SAID, lol, I definitely read either. So itās probably strange for me to be hung up on it because Iāve read nice fluffy modern AUs and found them perfectly engaging.
Tagging:Ā @theputterer, @magalis, @allatariel, @mythologicalmango, @threadsketchierĀ MY USUAL DISCLAIMER APPLIES: no pressure if you just donāt wanna, AND if anyone sees this and was likeĀ āaw hey i wish sheād tagged MEā well guess what, I wish I did too! so go ahead and do it and let me know and then iāll know to tag you next time, too :-)Ā
Questions:
When you suffer a setback or a series of setbacks when creating (writing, drawing, knitting, any kind of crafty project thing you work on... even work), what are some strategies you use to cope with that stress and move forward?
Whatās the hardest thing youāve ever had to create/make and what did you learn from it?
What part of a bicycle would you be?
Whatās a helpful writing (art/crafting/work) technique youāve learned?
Whatās a piece of art that made you see things differently?
Youāre a new addition to the crayon box. What color would you be and why?
What was the last board game you played and what did you like or not like about it?
*sorry these came out rather writer heavy!
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[!]Ā k-popās red velvet discuss their evolution, public scrutiny and secret dreams
As they lead the way for South Korean girlbands with a US tour, we catch up with Irene, Wendy, Yeri, Joy and Seulgi.
Red Velvet managed to squeeze this interview in between a concert in Chile, performing (and winning) at the Gaon Chart Music Awards, and their final preparations for the next leg of their Redmare tour, which is about to take them across Japan, followed by five US dates and two in Canada. The intensity of the schedule isnāt unfamiliar for Irene, Wendy, Yeri, Joy and Seulgi, who debuted in 2014 as a four-piece, before Yeri joined in early 2015. The latter tour dates, however, are an anomaly for a K-Pop girl group.
As Korean pop continues to rise in popularity across North and Latin America, itās the boy groups who have frequently taken to the road. In fact, you can count the women-led American tours of the twenty-tens on one hand -- 2NE1 in 2012, Apink and CL in 2016. 2019, however, has already seen Red Velvet, Oh My Girl and BLACKPINK embark on US tours, making for a significant, although testing, shift in the landscape.
"Like with all modern forms of fame, there are caveats, and being one of K-Popās most successful groups comes with intense public reaction over everything from their stage clothes and their weight, to the selfies they post and the books they read."
āWe owe this opportunity to all our fans who love our music,ā says 27-year-old Irene, the groupās eldest member and leader. āWeāll work hard in return for all the love and support.ā Itās a modest and quintessentially K-Pop response, but behind Ireneās words stands a fandom which is, significantly, populated by devoted young women. Women might be the financial backbone of K-Pop, but they often choose to spend heavily on boy groups (physical albums, merchandise, concert tickets) rather than female groups, who are traditionally marketed at a more generalised audience but, as evidenced by their concepts -- primarily sweetness or sex appeal -- with a definite male skew.
A major factor of Red Velvetās appeal is that thereās no way to pigeonhole the quintet, who have become a fearsome force with their sophisticated duality; marrying the madcap pop fizz of their āredā side (the visual quirks of Red Flavor and its suggestive portrayal of a summer romance) to their āvelvetā element (slower, sexier R&B, such as Automatic, One Of These Nights). They are as multifaceted as the women who love them ā cute and bright, but also modern, sleek and cool-headed.
Recently theyāve parlayed K-Popās āgirl crushā concept ā usually a fierce, empowering sound and look ā into their output to create some of their finest moments; the sly, enticing Peek-A-Boo, whose American Horror Story-esque video sees them trophy hunt and kill a pizza delivery guy, and one of 2018ās best pop songs ā Bad Boy ā in which they harness the proverbial heartbreaker. The very idea of the female popstar as a submissive, doll-like creature, which they satirised in the video for Dumb Dumb, has become redundant in the Red Velvet world.
āThereās confidence in all of our songs,ā says Wendy, fluent in English having lived in Canada as a teenager, āand we want to tell our fans that you can be whoever you want, as long as you have confidence.ā Joy, who has a blossoming side-career in acting, adds, āWe want to be a group who encourages people, and hope they can learn how to love and be themselves, living the life they were meant to.ā
They, too, are still learning lessons in self-belief and confidence. As recently as last year they confessed surprise at the explosive success of Bad Boy, a song which they thought wouldnāt go down especially well, while their 2018 summer anthem, the hyperactive Power Up, scored them a PAK (a Perfect All Kill, #1 on all of South Koreaās major real-time and daily music charts), making them the only group from their label to have achieved one. Yet Yeri recalls thinking they āreally had no idea that it would be such a hitā.
āWhenever we release a new album, we feel excited and nervous because we always try out different concepts, and never know how fans will react,ā explains Seulgi. āWe felt the same withBad Boy, but so many people loved it and we felt proud we were able to broaden our musical horizons. It gave us the belief that we have a lot more to show to our fans.ā
The constant movement of their sound and visual concepts provides a wide palette of emotions and experiences, and Red Velvet have taken to immersing themselves somewhere between method acting and self-analysis, to ensure they do it justice. āI do my own research on all our concepts, and there are times when theyāre very different from the real me, so itās interesting to discover new sides of myself,ā says Seulgi.
āRight after I debuted, I thought my voice could only work with bright, cheery songs likeHappiness and Day 1,ā admits Joy. āBut since working on songs like Peek-A-Boo and Bad Boy, Iāve become more interested in groovy, dreamy R&B.ā Wendy shares her bandmateās concerns; āAt first, I was really worried about pulling off so many concepts.ā Her eventual solution was to ātry and find myself within each concept, although it felt really awkward at the beginningā.
Like with all modern forms of fame, there are caveats, and being one of K-Popās most successful groups comes with intense public reaction over everything from their stage clothes and their weight, to the selfies they post and the books they read. Wendy says she has come to āmostly deal with it on my own. As time passes, I think itās become more like this. Itās because weāre all so busy and we donāt want to put our burdens on each other, but Iām always thankful to have the other members by my side, who take care of me or ask when Iām having a hard time.ā The support they provide each other is invaluable and genuine, says Irene, who is often referred to as Red Velvetās āmumā figure. āI think the maternal nature is both something that comes naturally and a role I play as a leader. But I donāt think theyāre different at all.ā
Red Velvetās schedule doesnāt leave much time for the freedoms afforded to you and I, but although the quintet have unexplored dreams, theyāre also, reassuringly, experiencing sweet pockets of happiness. āMy ultimate adventure would be travelling alone,ā shares Seulgi. āI havenāt done it yet, and I canāt even imagine what it would be like because I wouldnāt know what to do!ā For 19-year-old Yeri, the groupās youngest, itās the simple things that give her a buzz, like āwhen I went shopping for a furry hat!ā
Joy muses for a moment. āRecently Iāve been feeling frustrated because there wasnāt anything that really excited me,ā she begins. āBut I started feeling alive as I listened to my favourite jazz and R&B music. My ultimate adventure is learning from a person who knows a lot about my favourite genre, and making it my own based on what I learned.ā Wendy, on the other hand, is both critical and encouraging of herself. āMy adventure is singing, especially when I perform alone. No matter how hard I practice, there are times when I canāt be 100%, but recently Iāve been overcoming that more. As I see myself improving bit by bit, I realise Iām happiest when singing, but I still have a long way to go.ā
Amongst their candidness lies a dry, often low-key sense of humour. Their most recent Korean single, Really Bad Boy (the sibling to Bad Boy), had some feisty moments ā āHeās a really bad boy/ they say he lives trusting only his handsome face/ if itās alright with you/ Iāll try to tame youā ā but the burning question remainsā¦ what would they do with such a man in real life? āI wouldnāt date him. I hate being lonely,ā Irene says, alluding to the girlfriend invariably left wondering where he is every other night. Seulgi tries for diplomacy ā āIt would be nice if I can actually tame himā ā then shrugs it off ā āif heās a really bad boy, Iād just dump himā. Yeri, however, isnāt standing for any tomfoolery. āIād definitely kick him to the curb because itās only going to be tough for me,ā she deadpans.
Over the next few months, says Seulgi, Red Velvet is concentrating on āour tour concerts, and weād love to focus on putting together a new album.ā But with their fifth anniversary coming up on 1 August, thereās introspection laced into their 2019 vision. āBecause of the nature of the job, we receive a lot of love ā sometimes a lot more than anyone can imagine ā and because of this, I think every word and action has a huge influence on those who support us,ā Seulgi continues. āSo itās really important for us to keep our mind and body healthy so that we can give good energy.ā
āIāve realised that every single stage weāre on is important,ā Joy adds, āand that it really influences our fans. It makes me think about how to become a good person, and how I can give our fans back as much love as I receive.ā Wendyās parting thought, however, on what sheās taken away from the past four and a half years, is as much for herself as her bandmates. āWhatever happens, just forget everything while youāre on stage. Be genuine to the music, listen and enjoy it from the bottom of your heart.ā
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BTS Members as the Sons of Feanor
OH MY GOSH WHAT THE HECK
soĀ @thelonelybrilliance just showed up late to the Silmarillion and new to BTS and she decided to break my brain by tagging me and @abadpoetwithdreams asking us if we could match up the 7 members of BTS with the 7 sons of Feanor. May she never ask such a question again because I have spent about 6 hours total writing thisĀ rant essay that is somewhere of abouts 3500 words. I donāt have the self-control to stop myself from things like this, I love Tolkien and BTS too much
anyway here is a very long and rambling post that was partially composed in my head in the shower and is now just stream of consciousness
(Disclaimer: The members of BTS are beautiful souls and this post is in no way saying that they are as murderous as my problematic faves the sons of Feanor)
ok so the only thing I know for ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN is that Namjoon is Maedhros. if you know anything at all about BTS and the Feanorians, the reasons are obvious:
1. Namjoon is the tallest, and Maedhros is literally called Maedhros the Tall.
2. Maedhros has a lot of names but he was called Maitimo by his mom which means ābeautifulā or āwell-shaped oneā and such an appellation is perfect for Namjoon (ok letās be real the name could fit every single member of BTS but whatever)
3. (and most important!) never was there a more harried elf trying to keep his brothers in line and alive and not cut to pieces by some justifiably insulted cousin or Sindarin. Maedhros is the mom, the dad, the king, the leader, the eldest bro. āGuys, can we NOT be rude to the sons of Finarfin, can we NOT start a war among the Noldor when we still have Morgoth just across the wayā Iām pretty sure he would also lose his passport multiple times if Middle-earth had such things, because his brothers are hard enough to keep track of. while Namjoon may not be the eldest in years, everything else matches up too perfectly. He is the leader of BTS, the spokesman, the one who encourages the other members to step up and speak, helps them with their English (even when he judges them for their dumb mistakes lol), is literally SO DONE with his bros all the time but loves them so freaking much. He is the planner, the peace-maker, yet also has fire in his veins and has seen a lot of darkness and suffering and survived to become even stronger. So too with Namjoon
(caveat: if BTS were Feanorians, and Namjoon captured by Morgoth himself, there is no freaking way they wouldnāt have done SOMETHING to rescue their fearless leader. Jin and Jungkook would storm Thangorodrim fists swinging, followed by Jimin and J-Hope, fierce like youāve never seen them, and Taehyung would Luthien Tinuviel Morgoth centuries early, or Yoongi would simply glare at Morgoth till he shrank down into a puddle of trembling goo. Donāt laugh at me you know Iām right)
moving on
I have maybe two choices for Maglor? One is Jin, but that might partially be because everyone always talks about how Namjoon and Jin are the mom and dad or dad and mom of BTS. and Maglor is always paired in my head with Maedhros as the other parental figure of the Feanorian bros, though that might be because of how he and Maedhros look after Elrond and Elros. Of course, I love Jinās singing and I will never ever ever be over āEpiphanyā, so I am way cool with making Jin Maglor as far as the music thing goes
All this said, I am not sure if this is the best fit overall. Jin is the King of Chaos in BTS, and I wouldnāt name Maglor as such...also I think I might have another Feanorian for Jin, but Iāll get to that later (spoilers, itās...Curufin??!) (oh no, I just realized I might have one other argument for Jin being Maglor: āI use other people to make myself happy. I make myself smile by making others smile.ā Like, that could be a good quote for Maglor potentially, if you want to relate it to his music, or his care for Elrond and Elrosā¦ā¦..but Iām still thinking Curufin for Jin. Stay tuned)
So anyway my other option for Maglor would be...oh heck no I have two other options. No wait THREE. What the HECK. ok let me figure this out. The options are J-Hope, Yoongi, and Jimin. Iām not even sure why yet so letās find out. (sidenote: if Maedhros did not exist Namjoon the song-writer would be Maglor, as the greatest poet and bard)
1.Ā J-Hope as Maglor: I donāt know, I had reasons but they are escaping me. Maglor is said to have had a gentler temperament than his brothers and I would say J-Hope has a very soft sunshine heart. I guess one thing is that Maglor was left to hold everybody together when Maedhros was captured by Morgoth, and if Namjoon was ever hung on a cliff for an indeterminate amount of time or whatever equals that in our world, J-Hope would step up. I keep seeing things about how he supports the other members when they are having tough times, giving them encouragement and food and love. He leads them in practicing dance choreography all the time, and if I remember I am pretty sure Namjoon actually stated that Hoseok would make a good group leader.Ā
Also one time Namjoon was talking about Hobi (oh shoot, should J-Hope of the many names be Maedhros of the many names? Lol maybe in that one universe where Namjoon is Maglor, then Hobi could could be Maedhros) Namjoon says that J-Hope is like water (where did Maglor toss his Silmaril again hmm?) and puts people at ease. Well idk about other people but Maglor seems to have put Elrond and Elros at ease because even after that whole Kinslaying thing ālove grew between them as little might be thought.ā I too would probably come to love J-Hope no matter the past between us. He is just that sweet and soft-hearted
2.Ā Yoongi as Maglor: ok honestly I really really actually want Yoongi for Caranthir, more on that later. However I also like Yoongi as Maglor because it is unexpected, yet certain things just feel right. I keep thinking about Yoongiās āFirst Loveā where he raps about how his PIANO was his first love (GOSH ISNāT THAT THE SWEETEST THING EVER) also in Lee Soraās āSong Requestā he raps this: āIām happiness to someone and the soul to another / A lullaby to someone and at times a noise / Iāll be with you at your birth and your end / Remember weāre always together anywhere / Iāll always console your life / So just lean on me and rest sometimesā and LOOK I JUST DIED TYPING THIS but what I am getting at is music is burnt into Yoongiās soul as I think it is Maglorās, and Yoongi really is very soft and loving and also one time Namjoon said that Yoongi āmakes me ponder about what kind of person I amā and Maglor several times is a voice of reason and very much tries to dissuade Maedhros from going after the Silmarils one last time. Idk it could work (but also...CARANTHIR) (BUT ALSO OMG YOONGIāS VOICE MURDERS ME WHEN HE RAPS AND HIS PASSION WOW AND NOW I AM PICTURING MODERN DAY MAGLOR RAPPING Ā OBLIQUELY ABOUT HIS FAMILY AND PAST AND PAIN UGGGGGGGHHHH
3.Ā Who was my other choice? Right, Jimin. Why did I say Jimin?? ? i donāt remember, dang it
Ok I think it is definitely time to do Caranthir.
As previously stated, I love Yoongi as Caranthir. I have my reasons personally I think they are very good reasons :D Ok Caranthir is WOW ok I am OFFENDED because I just went to double-check something on wikipedia and I typed Caranthir into the Google search engine and the first three results were all about this Caranthir dude from the Witcher, and while that game seems very interesting I am UPSET for Yoongiās I mean Caranthir the Darkās sake.
AHEM
Caranthir the Dark. What a name. I mean it might just be a reference to his father-name of Morifinwe and to his hair, but he is also described as being the harshest and quickest to anger. Yoongi, bless his soul and his actually very soft and squishy heart, is well known for: being unbothered by BTS general antics, for being the one to sit back and watch everyone else do dumb stuff (like when they were all dancing to MIC drop and he just walks away from them, or when they are all acting like kids jumping in the pool and he just watches with a smile on his face while drinking a glass of wine and look to me Caranthir is the one Feanorian who doesnāt pair up with anyone in particular, like we have Maedhros and Maglor, Celegorm and Curufin, Amrod and Amras, but Caranthir is the one who goes off and lives separate from them and
GOSH now I sound so dumb because I am NOT trying to say that Caranthir doesnāt love his bros or that Yoongi is a loner that is NOT what I am saying, agh I mean Caranthir is great (minus, you know, the kin-slayings the Feanorians sadly fall into) and even befriends Halethās people and protects them, tās just this weird categorizing thing in my head, that Caranthir is the crusty brother, and while he loves his bros to DEATH and they him, the majority of his bros are sliiiiightly afraid of him, in a brotherly way, like how the members are with Yoongi! Like just recently oh what was it, they were on a BTS Run episode and someone had to splash or otherwise give Yoongi a penalty and right away everyone was like NAMJOON YOU DO IT. turning to the leader hyung because they donāt want Yoongi to be mad at them
Of course now I am remembering that one post of gifs demonstrating how Jungkook is the only one who can bother Yoongi without dying lol except NOW I am picturing Amrod the youngest Feanorian* being the only one who can bother Caranthir and then the ensuing PAIN because Amrod Umbarto (thanks for THAT name, Mom) perishes (in certain canon) in flames at the Burning of the Ships and wowwww no I do not need any of this pain
*SIDENOTE: AMROD IS THE YOUNGEST IN CERTAIN CANON WHICH CONFUSES THINGS A HECK OF A LOT SEE THE AMROD AND AMRAS SECTION BELOW
Iām pretty sure I have never rambled so much in my life and also pretty sure I have way too many parentheses and not all of them are closed oops
Anyway, imagine Caranthir as the brother you are afraid of but would die for and who would die for you if anyone looks at you wrong, the brother with the wry acerbic wit, but who LITERALLY LIGHTS UP THE UNIVERSE WITH HIS SMILE AND ALSO DOESNāT EXPRESS HIS LOVE ALOUD AS OFTEN AS SOME OF YOUR BROTHERS DO BUT
HE SECRETLY LOVES PHYSICAL CONTACT AT TIMES AND ALSO SECRETLY LOVES PIGGY-BACK RIDES EVEN THO HE PROFESSES TO HATE THEM AND GIVES OUT WISE LIFE ADVICE TO HIS BROS AND HIS PEOPLE AND IS SUCH A SOFTIE FOR HIS BROS AND OCCASIONALLY SENDS ONE OF HIS BABY BROS LONG LETTERS WITH A SIMPLE āI LOVE YOUā AT THE END THAT HAS CELEGORM OR AMROD CRYING FOR TEN MINUTES (HAHAHA GUESS WHO I THINK TAEHYUNG WOULD BE)
Also someone has to be the best cook of the Feanorians and it might as well be Caranthir
ā¦.apparently Iām not done with Caranthir, because āthe Darkā also makes me think of a dark horse, or at least something happening that is unexpected, and that reminds me of that interview where dad/mom/interpreter Namjoon was like yeah none of the other members can speak English, and then Yoongi just out of NOWHERE speaks a line of great English and Namjoon was like ā¦.guess I was wrong
OKAAAAY WHERE ARE WE
I do not have very clear thoughts about who the rest of the members are so letās just go with my brain and hope it makes some good connections
Letās do Celegorm since I just mentioned him
Celegorm could be either Taehyung orā¦.Jin? :? Merrr idk. Letās examine
I think the main reason why I jump at the option of Tae for Celegorm is because of Taeās love for his dog Yeontan, or Tan, and of course Celegorm is the master of Huan, and they had a very special relationship for ages until Celegorm f---ed up. Seriously, you want to see something cute? Look up Taeās Vlive that is entirely focused on his lil pupper (what am I saying look up ANYTHING about Tae and you will find something cute)
On the other hand Jin could be Celegorm because Celegorm is known as the Fair and if you donāt know by now that Jin is World Wide Handsome I donāt know how I can help you
OMG WAIT I JUST THOUGHT OF OTHER REASONS WHY JIN COULD BE CELEGORM! So Celegormās father-name is TurcafinwĆ«, which basically means āstrong in bodyā and Jin has got those broad shoulders (gosh they are so broad). Also, Celegormās mother-name is Tyelkormo, or āhasty riser,ā referring to his quick temper and habit of leaping when angered. And this doesnāt perfectly relate but the amount of times I have seen Jin yelling or just being wild in general or even just pretending to be mad makes me think of this. Also there was one time idk what was even going on but Jin was struggling to pronounce Bangtansonyeon-dan (SAME) and saying it was too long and difficult and J-Hope was teasing him and Namjoon told him not to get mad since he had been calling himself a fairy and shouldnāt be mad as such, and Jin was like hey I can be a mad fairy if I want lol
See now I am just confused because now I am looking back at Jin as Maglor and I might like that better? WHY IS THIS SO HARD
Speaking of Jin, and Celegorm, why on EARTH was I thinking of Jin for Curufin? Ugggh see my problem is I ran out of time last night and so I am finishing the essay some 20 hours later and I kNOW that when I was saying Jin should be Curufin I had a better reason then their names rhyme. Heck, I could make that same argument for Jimin as Curufin.
Except I also have a second and better argument for Jimin as Curufin, at least under the circumstance where Taehyung is Celegorm. Look, all the BTS members are really close with each other, and you can literally argue all day about who is closer to who (a really pointless waste of time in my opinion I mean why argue when you can just melt over them all being sweet and funny and kind and teasing with each other) but anyway all that aside one thing I love in particular is how sweet Jimin and Taehyung often are with each other, holding hands and comforting each other and being on teams in competitions *starts laughing at the memory of them being complete disasters that one cooking show* and anyway Celegorm and Curufin seem pretty inseparable, running around causing all kinds of trouble (guys sTOP). Jimin and Taehyung have called themselves soulmates, so it makes sense to have them be part of a duo
Not that Taehyung would engage in a kidnapping stunt like Celegorm did, but the point is, Jimin, the precious bby, has Taeās back
Jimin: āTaehyung is the happiest when he is with meā aww
This has nothing to do with the point of this post but I just need to stop here and say that Jimin is so freaking talented I was just looking up some gifsets of him and obviously his singing is angelic but also OMGGG his dancing!!!
Ok, jumping back slightly, I guess one way Jin could be Curufin is if Jungkook is Celegorm, because I could see those beautiful dorks running around causing all kinds of trouble, except I really have no reason to have Jungkook be Celegorm, especially since he is very much Amras in my head for reasons
OOOH NO I also thought of a way in which Jungkook could be--wait for it--cURUFIN. WHY AM I LIKE THIS
You see, Curufin was his dadās favorite son and thus Feanor gave his favorite son the exact same father-name Feanor had, CurufinwĆ«, and Curufin is the only son who chose to use his father-name over his mother-name if I recall, and anyway all meaning he probably loved his dad a lot and was proud of his name, and this makes me think of how Namjoon gave Jungkook the title of the Golden Maknae and of how freaking much Jungkook looks up to and respects Namjoon (look while Namjoon is a hyung, he is also a dad figure, so he may as well be Feanor and Maedhros both)
I guess if Jungkook were Curufin, Jin could go back to being Celegorm
Aaaaggggh you do not know how much hair I have pulled out this is taking a lot of brainwork
FINALLY AT THE LAST TWO
We now present my exceedingly confused ramblings regarding the twins Amrod and Amras. Before we begin, let me SHAKE MY FIST AT TOLKIEN FOR MAKING THIS ESSAY EVEN MORE CONFUSING TO WRITE
See, I had Jungkook all set up in my head as Amras, the youngest son according to the Silmarillion. Jungkook is the maknae, the baby, and all the members DOTE on him and he loves them and respects them and pesters them and itās great, so yeah Jungkook has to be Amras the baby of the Feanorians. I would then put Taehyung as Amrod, the just barely older bby who the other members also adore and protect. Jungkook and Taehyung are SO FREAKING CUTE whenever they are doing stuff together, whether it is singing or hugging or holding each other on their backs while they singing. When they goof off together or pester each other, they are the most precious, must dorkiest dorks to ever be my faves. Hence why I pair them together in my head as Amrod and Amras, at least the times when I am not pairing Tae with Jimin or Jungkook with Jin. Amrad and Amras seem as inseparable as Celegorm and Curufin, and they go off and live in some beautiful wild part of the land and basically stick to hunting and staying out of everyoneās business until they get reminded they took a stupid oath
EXCEPT then Tolkien has one alternate writing where the youngest is actually AMROD and Amrod dies at the burning of the ships because Feanor doesnāt know how to count his kids I guess (Namjoon you lost something again) (sorry that is a terrible joke) (but is it made slightly better by the fact that while Namjoon is apparently Feanor he is much more Maedhros, who was against the burning of the ships and did not participate?) so like this is where I started to get my third headache (exacerbated by the fact that I havenāt eaten dinner yet and it is 9 pm what is wrong with me) because then I have to make Jungkook Amrod and Taehyung Amras. Itās such a trial having to write both their names next to both Feanorians
On the other hand, an interesting thing to think about is that in this alternate writing, Amras was so aggrieved by his brotherās death that he called out Feanor--Feanor!--for being so dumb as to A. call or let his wife call their youngest by the name of Umbarto (the Fated) and then to B. accidentally let him perish in a fire that FEANOR started because he had a grudge (and I think Tolkien wrote that that Amrod was possibly sleeping on the ships because he was upset with Feanor for the terrible deeds he was committing, so like, double way to go Feanor)
I am really tired and hungry my head hurts
What am I missing?
I like Taehyung and Jungkook best for Amrod and Amras a lot BUT if I were doing one of the other options above, I could see having the follow lineup:
Jin=Celegorm, Jungkook= Curufin, Jimin=Amrod, Taehyung=Amras
In this instance, I could see Jimin and Tae as either Amrod or Amras no matter which one is older. Taehyung could definitely be the bby and do his own thing but could also be the brother who mourns his brother and calls out Feanor. Actually though Jimin while being young and precious gives me more of an older brother vibe than Taehyung does, so I guess I would have Jimin be the elder of the twins. Yes, that makes more sense
UGH but wait if I put Jimin and Tae as Curufin and Celegorm, I could put Jungkook back as youngest bby Amrod or Amras, but would Jin fit into the older twin role? Maaaaybe, if you just think about Jungkook and Jin heading off by themselves and goofing off...I donāt like it as much though
Possibilities So Far
Maedhros: Namjoon, maybe J-Hope?
Maglor: Jin, J-Hope, Yoongi, maybe Namjoon
Caranthir: Yoongi
Celegorm: Taehyung, Jin
Curufin: Jimin, Jungkook
Amrod: Taehyung, Jungkook, Jimin
Amras: Jungkook, Taehyung, Jimin
ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.
I have spent five minutes now trying to figure out possible final line-ups but itās all a mess
I Ā LITERALLY CANāT THINK ANYMORE
I DECLARE THIS ESSAY/RANT HAS COME TO AN END
PLEASE CHELSEA SEND HELP!
WHAT AM I MISSING/HAVE WRONG? IS THERE A BETTER SPOT FOR J-HOPE? SHOULD SOMEONE ELSE BE CARANTHIR? COULD JIN BE A CARANTHIR IN SOME WAY?? (I THINK I COULD HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT BUT I AM TOO TIRED TO THINK THEM)
#the silmarillion#the sons of feanor#feanorians#tolkien#bts#do i tag all 7 sons of Feanor and all 7 members of bts? or would that be obnoxious and useless#yeah probably#emma what have you done to me#chelsea i cannot WAIT to hear your thoughts#*goes to make dinner*
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S7: both here and there, pt1
The best word for S7 --- from a data standpoint --- is polarizing.Ā
The datasets have been pretty volatile, and thatās telling in and of itself. Iām sure by now youāve heard about the earliest Rotten Tomatoesā score for S7, at 13%. As word spread, Iām not kidding when I say I gleefully refreshed every five minutes to watch the votes jump up another 200 or so --- while the actual score inched upwards like molasses in January.
Crowd-sourced ratings --- Rotten Tomatoes, IMDB, Yelp, Good Reads, Amazon, etc --- arenāt unknown quantities anymore. We know the first round ofĀ reviews, the majority of the time, will produce the highest ratings. After that, itāll slowly drop until it reaches an equilibrium (when a few votes could no longer tip the score). A break in that established pattern --- of the low votes coming in first --- is a bad sign. Displeased viewers are more likely to just turn off; it takes shit getting real --- orĀ personal --- to get action from the angry ones.Ā Ā
A little context: the first 200 or so votes had an average of about 1.9, which is beyond abysmal. If itād been a 2.5 to 3.0, thatād signal dislike. 1.9 is verging on serious rage --- and every time someone put out the cry that the average wasnāt climbing fast enough, it simply drew more attention to the developing schism.
S7 now has 2758 votes, 1.4 times more than S1-S6Ā put together. The fandom moved at aĀ fever pitch, and many of those calls were exhorting fans to vote a flat 5.Ā To still only get a 3.9 average means almost 700 people gave the season the lowest possible score. Thatās one-quarter of the viewing populace. One-quarter.Ā
Letās hypothesize the first 250 or so votes were a single cranky group. If everyone else was generally happy to give 4s or 5s, S7 would be at 91% with a 4.2 average. Without access to the actual breakdown, the only conclusion is that there was no single negative push. The anger continued, even as a larger group tried to cloak that anger with inflated values.Ā
And thatās just the simplest example of polarization and volatility Iām seeing in every dataset, which is why I waited a bit longer to report in. As a warning, there is no single value to say this season was good or bad; weāre going to have to consider all the data in context before we can pass judgment.Ā
Weāll start with the usual datasets to get a sense of estimated viewership and audience engagement and get the broad strokes. In the follow-up Iāll get into more datasets that will round things out for a fuller picture.
an explanation about Netflix ratings
For those of you just tuning in, Netflix is a black box. They never share the specific viewership data, and even theĀ ātrendingā is calculated based on the viewer + other various data. (Your trending on Netflix is not automatically the same list as someone elseās.) The few times anyoneās tried to capture viewing data, naturally Netflix swears the numbers are all wrong.Ā
The closest we can come is Wikipediaās page analysis, which apparently correlates to Neilson ratings. That means weāre extrapolating that we could expect the same behaviors from viewers for digital shows.Ā These arenāt theĀ ārealā viewer numbers, but thatās fine. Iām using them for comparison, after all, so what really matters is the change, not the total.Ā
a note about the two core datasets
The wikipedia dataset and the google dataset are essentially measuring audience engagement. The drawback is that past 90 days, googleās dataset is combined into weeks, plus itās relative. To compare multiple seasons, Iām stuck with by-week values. I prefer wikipediaās dataset for this finer-grained look, because I can get down to the day.
However, Iāve taken the two datasets, merged by week, and compared. They map almost exactly, with a caveat, The release-week values for wikipedia are always higher than googleās by around 5%, and the between-release lull values on google are higher than wikipediaās by about the same. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, but without actual numbers from google, eyeballing is it probably good enough for my purposes.
post-release tails comparison
A little over two weeks in, first thing is we check the tails, which are a measure of how long engagement lasts after a seasonās release. Thereāll be a peak, and then interest will taper off until it hits a threshold, usually the level of audience engagement in the lull between seasons. Sometimes, the tail is relatively flat and long (ie S6). In others, the tail is a bit steeper, indicating a quick drop-off (S3-S5). But itās also a factor of how high the peak reached, in that some seasons will have farther to go (S1, S2) before reaching that lull threshold where the ātailā ends.Ā Ā
After S6 (yellow line) reversed the falling trend, S7 (dashed green line) is following the same path. If you were expecting a tremendous rise (or fall), youād be disappointed; the surprise in S7 is that it has no surprises in this dataset. Itās holding the line established by S6, albeit at a higher engagement rate.
This graph takes the above, and adjusts so the peaks are equalized. Now we can see the tails in a better comparison.Ā
S7 wobbles in equal measure to balance out S6; the most we could say is that S7 is holding the line. It neither gained, nor lost.Ā Because the two graphs above are daily, thereās a bit of noise. To streamline that, weāll take the same data but gathered into weeks (Friday to following Thursday, as releases are always Friday).Ā
comparing the first four weeks of every season
Here weāre comparing the totals for the first week of all seven seasons, then the second week, etc.Ā (S7ā²s data is incomplete for the 3rd week, so that green bar will probably increase.)Ā
Even here, there are some interesting details hiding in the data. Basically, the rate at which S6 built on S5 is pretty close to the rate on which S7 is building on S6. And the fact is... thatās not how multi-seasons stories usually work.Ā
comparing viewership peaks across seasons
As comparison, this is googleās interest over time tracker for House of Cards:
If a series is expected to go out with a bang, there's usually a spike for the final season, but all the seasons before will steadily degrade, and often by a regular percentage. A quick comparison of several multi-season, serial, shows (Orange is the New Black, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Stranger Things, Daredevil, TrollHunters) seems to indicate the House of Cards pattern would be considered a successful show. Whenever it peaks, about 20% of those viewers will drop out, and after that, the numbers hold mostly steady, with perhaps a 5-10% drop at most. (Trollhunters breaks this mold with a 50% drop for S2, and a finale that almost matches its S1 peak.)Ā
With that in mind, letās look at the rate of change from one point to another:Ā the peak of season A to the peak of season B. Theyāre floating so you can see better how the drop from one affected the next.Ā
After S1, 31% of the audience dropped VLD. Of the remainder, 20% quit after S2; after S3, a further 20% didnāt come back for S4. This is where you can see S4's damage: 28% didnāt come back for S5.Ā All told, between S1 and S5, 68% of the viewers quit the show. If VLD had been a Netflix original, S5 would have been its last season.
But thanks to marketing or hype, 17% of those lost viewers returned for S6, which in turn influenced the return of 22% more viewers for S7. None of the other shows had a mid-series rise, let aloneĀ a second increase. Viewership hasnāt caught back up to the levels after S2, though, but if I were to say any point turned around the sinking ship, itās clearly S6.Ā Ā
Itās too soon to say whether S7 will take that further, or if S7 is just holding onto the lead S6 put in place. We wonāt really know that until S8.
weekly rate of change to see patterns
Some of the seasons peaked on the 2nd or 3rd day, so I started from that point; starting on the release date (with lower numbers) would camouflage that peak and defeat the purpose of this comparison.Ā The question here is: can we see a pattern in viewership engagementĀ over the first month after a release?Ā
With rate of change, the smaller the drop, the lower the difference. Frex, look at the 3rd and 4th weeks of S5. The difference between weeks 3 & 4, and weeks 4 & 5, is only 1%. That means the engagement level was dropping at a steady rate across those weeks.Ā
Now you can see the real damage: S4. Basically, a week after S4ā²s release, 78% of the audience checked out.Ā Next to that, S5 regains a tiny bit of ground, and S6 increased that. So far, S7 is holding steady with S6.Ā
Again, S7 hasnāt lost ground, but it hasnāt really gained, either.
pre- and post-season context: measuring hype
What none of these graphs show, so far, is the context of each season. For that, we need to look across all the seasons. Again to reduce the noise (but not so much itās flattened), Iāve collected days into weeks, starting on friday, ending the following thursday. The release week is marked with that seasonās color.Ā Ā
I know itās kinda hard to see, here, sorry. To throw in a different dataset for a moment, hereās a simple track of all searches forĀ āvoltron legendary defenderā from May 2018 to now.Ā
This pattern echoes across several other datasets, btw. Thereās a spike for S6, which never entirely drops off, and then we get a second spike for the premiere at SDCC. (Which is also the first time a between-season premiere has skyrocketed like that.) After SDCC, the base level stays high.Ā
In other words, does S7 appear as a larger spike because it began from a higher base rate? How do we compare season-to-season, when one starts at a radically elevated position compared to the rest?
The question became how to untangle hype from viewer reaction to the season. Hereās the viewership levels for S5, S6, and S7, again consolidated into weeks.Ā
After S5, things dropped pretty low. A week before S6, reviews, a trailer, and some wacky marketing hijinks lured a lot of people back in.Ā Two things happened between S6 and S7 that are worth noting.Ā
The first, two weeks after S6, was the announcement that Shiro was no longer a paladin, and his link with Black had been severed. This weekly graph blurs the details slightly, but the drop you see in the next two light-gray columns actually starts the day after that announcement.Ā
The second gray bar is SDCC, where S7E1 premiered. In the gap between then and the week before release, the levels drop back to the new (higher) baseline. Excitement was high, propelling audience engagement. If hype is meant to increase engagement, and these datasets are capturing the same thing to some basic degree, thereās a value in what the pre-season week and post-season week could be telling us.Ā
the narrative in the data
If the week-prior is high, it means audiences are engaged due to pre-season marketing, trailers, rumors, and reviews. If the week-after is high, it means audiences are excited and engaging directly with the show itself. In other words, you could say week-prior measures how much people are buzzing or getting ready, and week-after measures how much theyāre re-watching or encouraging others to watch.
For S1 and S2, the week-prior was really low. After S1 there was a splash in October, but not big enough to keep energy up through to S2. Both S1 and S2 had much higher week-after rates. The simplest reason would be that people whoād seen the season were now talking about it and raising buzz on their own, thus propelling further engagement.Ā
Until S7, S3 had the highest week-prior engagement --- and the first time there was a drop, comparatively, in the week-after. S4 follows that trend, with a much larger drop. S5ā²s before and after are close to equal, which to me says that whatever excitement was ginned up prior, the season didnāt have much of an impact one way or another. It feels almost apathetic, actually.Ā
S6 reverses the trend; people went into it barely more excited than they had been after finishing S5, but for the first time since S2, there was a post-release rise. Audiences were engaged again. Even with the drop from the post-season news, it wasnāt so far SDCC couldnāt rocket it back up again. But if you look at the graph above for S7, once again thereās a slight drop in the week-after.Ā
Given the level of week-prior excitement (especially with the SDCC spike still fresh in peopleās minds), the lack of post-season buzz is noticeable.Ā
To get a better look, Iāve isolated the rate of change for each season, comparing week-prior and week-after. S1 and S2 had such extreme amounts (744% and 156% increases, respectively) that it torqued the entire graph. Iāve left them off so we can focus on S3 through S7.Ā
After S3, engagement dropped by 9%, indicating a less-enthused audience after seeing the season. S4 went further, dropping by 27%. S5 managed a small increase of 4%, and S6 increased engagement by 18%.Ā
S7 has a 2% drop. Not as bad as S3ā²s, but nowhere near the huge spike we shouldāve seen, had the pre-season hype been borne out in the season itself. That excitement didnāt quite pop like S4; itās more like a slow leak.Ā Ā
comparing across datasets
One more thing before I wrap up this first post.Ā Googleās data is on the left, andĀ Wikipediaās dataset is on the right, with the weeks marked that include the actual release date. (I did this in excel so the images donāt line up quite right, but hopefully itās good enough to illustrate.)
With Wikipediaās daily values added in a Fri-to-Thu week group, thereās only one week before a strong drop.Ā With the Google calendar-style (Sun to Sat), S7ā²s second week goes even higher, and the drop is steep.Ā
In the Google numbers, 2/7ths of the green bar isĀ ānow showing on Netflix,ā and the remaining 5/7ths is the hype-based engagement levels.Ā The same goes for the week following, which in googleās dataset is even higher; 5/7ths of that, plus the last 2 days of the week before, equal the S7 green bar on the Wikipedia dataset, on the right.Ā Ā
And that means there was enough traffic in five days to propel an entire week to even higher than the week that contained the first two days of the season (which usually loom over all others by a noticeable degree). Itās even more remarkable when you look at the Wikipedia dataset, which is arranged to run from Friday to the following Thursday -- and which does have a drop-off.Ā
Iāll be tapping a few more datasets to unpack this anomaly, in my next post. Iāll warn you now, they paint a very different picture of S7.Ā
part 2 can be found hereĀ Ā
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Riverdale: Some LiteraryĀ Analysis
There are a few spoilers from the Season 3 premiere in here, so I hid the post. Click below if youād like to see how some classic dramatic theory applies to the show:
Iām pretty consistently irritated with everything Archie does. I think most of us want to slap him on a regular basis. Like that trial...come on, man. Youāre trying to save your mom and former mayor McCoy from...doing the jobs they do every single day? Sure, the Core Four is stressed out, but Archie does it for his family. For Mary and Fred. Ugh.
Is it because heās a tragic hero?Ā According to Aristotle, āA man cannot become a hero until he can see the root of his own downfall.ā The idea of the tragic hero goes back to the Greeks, who invented some fancy words to describe the different phases that this sort of character goes through or the qualities they embody.Ā
First, weāve got Hamartia: an error in judgement on behalf of the hero, theirĀ āflawā. Archie makes so many errors in judgement on this show itās ridiculous. Season one: having a relationship with Ms. Grundy, lying to his dad, dating Veronica before Hiram came back to town... Season two: do I really need to mention those circles? Buying a gun, joining a mafia family, betraying his dad...omg the list is so long. So far, season threeās track record is no different, when he announces that heās guilty after the judge declares a mistrial. Somebody put this boy under house arrest so that he stops acting like a human wrecking ball.
Second, thereās Peripeteia: a reversal of fortune that occurs as a result of the heroās flawed judgement. ItĀ wouldnāt be a drama without its ups and downs, so I think we can all agree that after Archie does dumb things, bad things tend to happen to him and the people he cares about. Grundy being run out of town, his dad losing the election, being arrested just as he wins Student Body President (becoming aĀ ākingā in his own right of sorts, which by the way, this stuff usually applies to characters that are royalty), being hauled off to Juvie, having to join the Serpents to survive in prison...
This brings us to Anagnorisis: the realization that the reversal of fortune has come about due to the heroās mistake. Essentially, the hero has to see how they have contributed to their own situation in order for the story to have meaning, however, their recognition comes too late for them to effectively change the outcome of their action. Archie might realize that buying a gun and threatening someone on the south side was a bad idea, but he canāt hop in his time machine and undo it. Sure, he grows from it (we hope) and probably wonāt repeat the identical mistake (please lord), but the damage is already done. Think about the dramatic irony of Grundy being strangled by the cello bow that Archie gave her as a parting gift--if he hadnāt been involved with her, then sheĀ wouldnāt have left Riverdale and may not have been murdered at all. Symbolically, that scene visually represents how Archieās actions directly led to Grundyās death.Ā Heās a human wrecking ball. Watch out, everyone that isnāt a part of the Core Four.
We also have to consider Hubris: the tragic flaw of having too much pride. Archieās pride is what makes him think that he knows better than his family when he tries to join Hiramās mafia. Archieās pride makes him think that he can form a vigilante group and deal out better justice than the local law enforcement. Archieās pride makes him confess to a murder he didnāt commit, so that he wonāt have to drag his friends and family through the character-lambasting court process again. Archieās pride makes him think that heās tough enough to handle prison, that he can go there and make friends and braid peopleās hair and just wait out his time (though he does acknowledge that he might be shanked, at least).
Another caveat of the tragic heroās cycle is that their fate must be greater than what they deserve. Some literary theorists say that the hero has to die in order to restore the natural balance, however, thatās not always necessarily true. The hero might lose all their friends and family and be left to struggle through a post-apocalyptic world of their own creation, coming to terms with the knowledge that they cause their own downfall. AtĀ the conclusion of the heroās journey, the hero to return and impart the knowledge they gained during their quest to others. Instead, the tragic hero finds that itās too late to put any of their new wisdom to use. Thatās what makes it so tragic.Ā
I think this is constantly happening to Archie, too. He realizes why itās dangerous to join a mafia, but by the time he does, his friends are Serpents and his girlfriend has irreparably upset the Don. Even though he didnāt murder anyone, he goes to prison, which is a fate worse than he deserves.Ā
The thing with this sort of drama, though, is that seeing it all play out as we would expect creates the experience of catharsis (cleansing) in the audience. We want to see people pay for their mistakes and learn from them, even if itās too late. Like, Iām still waiting for the reckoning Betty will face for that bizarre Dark Betty webcam phase she went through under Chicās tutelage. Loose ends like that are what keep us coming back week after week, hoping that the drama will be resolved so that we can be cleansed of the tension these dramatic cycles cause in the viewer. Did I mention that tragic heroes have to be inherently good to achieve the pity that leads to catharsis?
What does it mean for season 3? We can expect that Archie will continue to blunder lovably through life, making error after error and learning how to be a functioning human being too late. His friends might grow from their mistakes and become more well-rounded characters, but I think that weāre going to see Archie trapped inescapably in this classic cycle.
So...TLDR; Riverdale is drawing on classic theories of drama to create tension in the viewer, and Archie makes dumb mistakes because heās a tragic hero (rather than an epic hero). Knowing how this cycle goes might help us predict some things for the rest of season 3.
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Okay so I promised a post about orthodoxy, lgbt+ issues, and rabbis.Ā
Iām going to preface this conversation by saying that I have tried to immerse myself as fully as possible into both my beloved Conservative shul and my beloved Modern Orthodox shul. I have also spent a fair bit of time interrogating the differences between branches and in particular on delineating the differences between how each branch comes to different halakhic viewpoints.Ā
Namely, I am both haunted and indeed driven by a need to pursue a traditional view of Torah and observance despite my gender and sexuality, which has led to a fascination with trying to parse out how different communitiesā practices and views of halakha evolve and change over time. I have asked every rabbi Iāve worked with to talk to me about their branchās halakhic process and how it comes to a decision on any given issue - both novel issues as well as evolving opinions on controversial and often deeply personal issues such as these.Ā
As someone who is personally implicated in (and perhaps indicted by) halakha that is very rigid on issues of gender and sexuality, the question of how change occurs is one that is near to my heart. As a ger I feel called to live a life of Torah and mitzvot, and yet I cannot do so without bringing my whole self to the table. Or, as my mother likes to say: Wherever you go, there you are. And indeed, what is gained by dishonesty or inauthentic living? Hashem knows who and what I am and what lives in my heart, both good and bad. Iām not fooling the only One whose opinion really matters when it comes to mitzvot. Yet the Torah does not change for anyone.Ā
But I truly donāt believe weāre condemned to choose between full observance and authentic living. In fact, I genuinely believe that the former requires the latter. (And I of course donāt believe that any of this can beĀ ācuredā - both science and experience have thoroughly disproved this idea.) The G-d I choose to love with all my heart, with all my mind, and with all my soul would not create an entire class of people incapable of living a life filled with both the joys of partnership and love,Ā and a life of Torah; would not set up a particular class of people for failure by barring us from engaging the beauty of gendered rituals as our truest selves.Ā
Which is a lot of words to say, Iāve spent a lot of time researching and pondering the process of Torah as it is realized in halakha and community norms because of my gender and sexuality paired with my deep desire for holy living. Iāve also pressed my rabbis on the issue of halakhic evolution and how community change happens.Ā
Hereās what Iāve learned.Ā
One of the biggest areas of misunderstanding in conversations that take place across branches is the different ways that community change operates in orthodox environments versus in liberal ones.Ā
Namely, the Reform and Conservative movements have actual official governing bodies that enforce a certain process for considering different issues. (The Reconstructionist movement also has a governing body I believe.) You can look up official Reform responsaĀ and Conservative teshuvotĀ on many, many important issues.Ā
The process of change is different in each branch, but with an overseeing body, thereās a certain level of movement-wide conformity that is enforced. While thereās always a certain amount of peopleĀ āvoting with their feetā thatās going to happen in any social environment like this, at the end of the day, the process is top-down with official movement stances that make it so that Reform and Conservative rabbis have accepted positions on any number of topics to choose from. These stand in place of poskim in many ways.Ā
On the orthodox side, community change is very much bottom-up. Of course, you have certain rabbis that make authoritative rulings, but much of who one chooses to follow has to do with which community one wishes to be a part of and the weight that a given orthodox rabbiās opinion carries is deeply tied to his reputation in the community. When people were less mobile and not in a broader cultural context of aggressive individualism and choice, this led to a communityās rabbi having a great deal of moral authority over the community.Ā
[And here, I am going to put a huge caveat here that my experiences with orthodoxy are decidedly Modern Orthodox, so make of that what you will.]
In a modern American context (Iām not going to try to comment on anything outside the U.S. as I have no idea the ways that this varies) however, each shul has a board, and that board is in charge of the hiring, firing, and - importantly - frequently in theĀ managing of rabbis.Ā
This creates a really interestingĀ economic dynamic. Rabbis, like everyone else, have to put food on their table and take care of their families. That means that they need to watch their reputation to maintain their standing in the community in order to keep their existing positions and/or to keep their job prospects open. No matter how brilliant a new rabbi is, heās going to need to build up that community opinion and reputation prior to making any controversial moves. Similarly, even a well-respected veteran rabbi can easily lose a lot of his authority by picking the wrong hill to die on.Ā
Which leads to the main point of this post, which is that despite there being more and more orthodox rabbis that are willing to at least view LGBT+ people compassionately, if not inclusively, there is an invisible market-based force that puts a lot of pressure on even experienced rabbis to keep the status quo and not take on causes that could put them out of a job no matter how important it might be ethically.Ā
[***I should also interject here that I am not accusing them of being cowardly or refusing to stand up for whatās right. Quite the opposite, there are definitely rabbis who are quietly supportive but balancing more vocal support againstĀ losing their authority &/or reputation, which might put them out of a position to help those who need this support most.]
Ergo, if you want to change orthodoxyās view of LGBT+ folks, you need to start by making it not professional suicide for a rabbi toĀ ācome outā in support of LGBT+ folks. If youāre orthodox and an ally, volunteering to be on your shulās board and/or rabbi selection committee is a great place to start, because you can help shield rabbis with more compassionate views on this issue from communal consequences and/or push for hiring someone who is. We also need allies to step up by talking to vocal people in positions of influence in the community and work on either changing their minds or getting them out of these positions of power.Ā
Allies can and should alsoĀ ļæ½ļæ½ļæ½vote with their feetā! If your shul has or hires a rabbi who spouts bigoted nonsense and you have a choice to go to the shul up the road? I would encourage you to do so. (Yes, even if itās the One You Never Go To.) Even if you canāt leave over something like this, I would still encourage you to find other people in your community who may be more sympathetic and band together to use the power of communal sanction. Ideally, the tide should turn from one where it is practically professionally untenable to be a vocally pro-LGBT+ orthodox rabbi to one where it is damaging to not at least treat LGBT+ individuals and families with the same compassion, respect, and level of inclusion as other congregants who maybe drive to shul or whose kitchens arenāt quite up to community standards.Ā
While the halakha of it is an entirely separate issue, making it not professionally disastrous to even make that halakhic argument is an important beginning step. Making the community safe for LGBT+ folks to even participate in is the other important beginning step toward advancing the conversation and laying the legal groundwork for change. We need people with different perspectives reading and interpreting and commenting on the traditional texts, but we canāt do that if weāre not even able to be part of the conversation.Ā
Which leads to my final point, which is that for actual LGBT+ folks - yāall, if this is something you actually care about? You need to be there. Allies are great, but hypothetical LGBT+ people are much easier to shun than you, an actual LGBT+ identified person, which means that we have to show up. No political or ethical opinion, no matter how beautifully argued, is going to change someoneās gut reaction - but knowing youĀ might.Ā
I definitely understand that not everyone is up for this or is as hardheaded as me. But, if you can step up and you have the desire to be here, then be here. Otherwise, keep in mind that orthodoxy does not have a monopoly on observance and you can be a Conservative or Reform Jew who lays tefillin, davens every day, keeps kosher, is shomer shabbos, wears a kippah &/or tzitzit, dresses tznius, etc. and is still very much a liberal Jew.Ā
And in general, from the bottom of my heart, please everyone remember that loving your fellow Jews is a mitzvah unto itself.Ā
#i'm sorry if this post is hard to follow#it's already too long and i've already condensed it greatly#i just have a lot of thoughts on what i've seen and experienced in my communities#lgbt+ jews
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I'm not giving you Liam, because between us both I think what we've written so far would fill a goddamned book. So I'll ask you for our other TRR favourites - Hana and Kiara!
I am happy that I do not have to do one of these for Liam. Ā I feel like I would say the same thing all of those other times I talk about Liam. Ā He is kind. Ā Dick is bomb. Ā Is a SINnamon roll. Ā I think I took some interesting turns answering this one @lizzybeth1986 and I hope you like it.
Do you love/hate/donāt feel strongly about this character?I love both Hana and Kiara. Ā I love that they are both very intelligent capable women. For the most part, both of them know what time it is. Ā The only time both of them seem to lose their footing is romantically which I get.
Whatās your favorite trait of this character?For Hana, I love that she is willing to do things on her own terms and in her own way despite what everyone thinks. Ā She had to grow into that kind of bravery, but once she got there, she never left. Ā Also, Hana is a shade ninja. Ā She can come for you and leave you in pieces without even trying.
As for Kiara, I think itās her drive. Ā She is probably the most motivated woman on the court including Madeleine. She can really see the big picture in terms of how to best utilize her position in court. Ā During the social season, all of these bitches were here for Liam, Kiara was like āI am here for these contacts and connections to get into the foreign ministry.ā Ā While Halle (my TRR MC) was busy getting dicked down by Liam and getting into all of the mess, Kiara was using her position as a lady in waiting for A Demon to further her career goals. Ā Kiara canāt stand that bitch, but she sucked that up to aid her cause. Ā I salute her. #IStan4KiKi
Whatās your favorite moment/even involving this character?My favourite Hana moment is when she shades Drake. Ā You think that Hana is all soft voice, demure smile and all of the submissive Asian stereotypes. Ā Go on. Ā Think that. Ā Donāt be fooled. Ā Hana is watching. Ā Biding her time. Ā Then she comes out of nowhere and tells you all about yourself and you have no choice but to sit with her truth. Ā She is a savage. I live. Ā
My favorite Kiara moment is when beat a dude with a mannequinās arm. Ā She was going through it post-Homecoming Ball. Ā She was stabbed, had PTSS, the king is more concerned about her derpy brother who just wants to rock Mr. Rogerās cardigans and hug poodles with her best friend, Drake aināt shit even though she lusts for him. Ā Struggles galore. Ā In that bridal boutique, she could have cried in a corner and let them bitches have Halle. Ā Halle was a jerk to her too. Ā But she got them shears and got to work. Ā #KiKiWillCutABitch
If you could have one power/attribute/etc. of this character, what would it be?I donāt know what the word for the trait would be, but I want to be able to make strangers love me so much that they give me cookies like Hana. Ā I am in Trumperica here and I may need to ask a stranger for help someday. Ā I would like to come out of that alive.
With Kiara, everyone would choose her polyglot skills. Ā Not me. Ā I want the drive. Ā I need all of the help to focus. Ā I take the Lambo of ADHD meds and I still struggle with staying on task. Ā I would like not to struggle like that. Ā
Have you ever pictured this character naked?Hana, only when I was reading that @choiceswreckedme fic. Ā Kiara, only recently when I started thinking about smut for her. Ā
When did you fall in love/hate with this character? I you donāt have any strong feelings toward them, why not?I liked Hana in TRR Book 1, but I loved her in Book 2. Ā Donāt get me wrong, Books 2 & 3 did Hana dirty in so many ways. Ā One thing I did like in Book 2 was watching Hana let herself be more quippy and less accommodating for the bullshit. Ā In Chapter 2 Halle is like what do I wear to a party where I see the woman engaged to the prince I was supposed to marry. Ā Hana simply says āsomething pink.ā Ā I found that hilarious.Ā Ā
As for Kiara, I like when she pushes back against the MC. Ā The MC really isnāt shit to her. Ā In the very same Chapter 2 of Book 2, the MC is all like why do you want a husband? I thought you wanted a ministry position. Ā KiKi had to tell her, I can get my dream job and find dick if I want to. Ā Again in Book 3, During the Lantern Festival, Kiara wishes to learn Icelandic faster. Ā The MC gives her and her father shit for those wishes being not personal enough. Ā Kiara claps back and says that her wish is personal to her.
Whoās your OTP for this character?For Hana, if I have to stay in-universe, and no OCs or anything like that, I have always thought that she and Maxwell would be an interesting couple. Ā They have a lot of fun together and genuinely care about each other. Ā When Hanaās parents try to take her back to their cult layer for reindoctrination, the person who is the most upset about it is Maxwell. Ā Think about it. Ā I will add the caveat that Hana gets with end of Book 3 Maxwell who acts a little more like an adult.
If I get to be more creative, Hana should get a stud or a stemme. Ā A stud would take good care of her and never have Hana out here looking crazy. Ā A stud would love her down. Ā A stud would also lay them hands on anyone who tries to cross Hana.Ā @lizzybeth1986 if you would just release the fanfics with your stemme queen for Hana, I would have an OTP to root for that deserves her. Ā
As for Kiara, I used to think Drake and her should get together. Ā She likes that simple man and Kiara deserves love. Ā While I do want Kiara to find love, I have a hard time with wanting her and Drake to couple up. Ā Like that is a love story full of unnecessary strife and aggravation. Ā Drake doesnāt even acknowledge her and Kiara deserves someone who would see her. Ā So right now I am thinking Kiara and Rashad could be something specialā¦but I could easily see Kiara fucking that up for Drake. Ā So I donāt know. Ā
Thanks for the ask.Ā You always know how to challenge me.
Put a character in my ask box.
#ask tippy#kiki deserves a love that isn't trifling#kiki should also be allowed to be trifling in love#get hana a stud#lizzy post the fic
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