#i personally love mary sues
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You know what it really genuinely annoys me when I'm reading fic and they girlbossify every woman ever. "The boys are idiot messes but the girls have never done anything wrong ever in their lives <3" makes me scream like why are you doing this???? They are ALL idiots!!!! Make her an idiot too!!! Woman aren't perfect!!! Men aren't idiots all the time!!! I'm not perfect and I'd like to be able to connect with a female character but you keep writing them like they are omniscient perfect at everything beings!!!! FNIESJHSHSDB AHHHH
#batman#cassandra cain#black bat#barbara gordan#oracle#batgirl#bbc merlin#guinevere#queen gwen#bbc merlin gwen#bbc gwen#bbc morgana#morgana le fay#good!morgana#i personally love mary sues#mary sues in fic are top tier#but ONLY if theyre the main character or its an outsider pov#when its the same background character given Omniscent or Mary Sue vibes over and over it brings me out of it#it becomes their ONLY personality trait!!!#eve moneypenny#james bond#entity writes
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*raises hand* if we're getting rid of the term mary sue i propose we throw out "tumblr sexyman" along with it. its 2023 time to stop shaming people for loving specific fictional characters
Hm!
I know exactly what you're getting at. I had a conversation with a friend recently, where I was talking about how my DnD character would be seen as a mary-sue since she's the daughter of some powerful archfey and has multiple love interests, and he said 'Oh my dude's a tumblr sexyman for sure' because he's a tall white guy with a tragic backstory who loves blood and knives.' Both terms would really reduce our characters down to just bare minimums.
If your character is called a tumblr sexyman, you presume he's (usually) a tall, white, skinny, conventionally attractive man in a suit, sometimes of a character who isn't human-like. Ala: Onceler, Sherlock, Loki; Wheatley, Bill Cypher. It's largely seen as an archetype and a meme. And that's gotta suck, to make a guy who fits a certain image and then have him be treated like a joke.
Speaking from experience, it's hard out here for a Mary-Sue lover. You don't see a Mary Sue poll, or Mary Sue being used as a meme. Mary-Sue used to just mean a woman character who steals the spotlight in bad fanfiction (which I disagree ever needed mocking in the first place. Fuck the haters, how else can writers learn?) But now people use it to refer to any competent, smart, beautiful, or just annoying female character.
It's really unfair to people just having fun.
#personally i love a mary-sue who's hypercompetent and the most powerful person in the universe#but she just fails at interpersonal skills and doesn't understand you can't cast beams at your ex boyfriend to solve your problems#while im here i should put some stuff in the queue
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8.28.2023 // it's her!!! it's aoi!!! aka just.. just a. really unlikable type of person.
#illustration#original art#ocs#oc: aoi#she has like one or two positive traits maybe#she's one of my favorites tho because i am also incredibly unlikable 😌#also yes i acknowledge some people still like her as a character lol but she's intentionally difficult to love as a person#because i'm mean to my characters#but also thats what makes being loved regardless more impactful or whatever#could also just make the person who loves her a clowning simp too though so idk#listen my formative years were spent in the Age of the Mary Sue i'm conditioned to think i'm not allowed to regard my own ideas positively#i've already broken the law by saying i like one of my ocs i cannot push the boundaries any further#mary sue herself will rend me apart and personally send me to like the sixth circle of hell to roast in my flaming tomb for all eternity
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#creator speaks#a funny i saw on my twitter thought i should insert my ship into it 👍👍👍#WHICH IS FUNNY BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL *IS* A TUMBLR POST but oh well#man the thoughts that simmered in my head in the past year and a half over them and how her inclusion kinda changes the story...#lol ik i always “speak” of it and discord besties would know a little more than those who aren't but i digress#i love it i love the thought of just...Madison putting so much of her faith and trust and love in them that she just becomes loyal to them#helping their cause and personal issues wanting to be a reliable friend and loved one to them#(probably the abandonment issues that's operating in that brain of hers lmao but) she just wants to stay by their side !!#and hope that they let her stay there in the years of them growing up together#somewhere in the messy notes in my brain and in my laptop's notepad did i think far in changing their overall fate to make the ending happy#but i just feel like that's just gonna stay there or be discussed in really tight circles IF i feel like sharing it hehu#i feel like madison and me inserting her into the jojo universe as a sort of “fix-it” tool is one that araki and many others wld surely hat#HAHAHAHAHA#when my notes and lore try to go against the biggest theme of fate in the series and how we're destined to go through it-#-that it can't be changed. how the joestars are cursed yadda yadda#i'm so normcore domestic life happy ending mary sue fix it canon divergence pilled okay !!!#i want both jotaro and kakyoin to be happy and alive !!! and making that possible by inserting my lame ass op oc 😎😎😎#HAHAHAH whatever i'll stop yapping <33
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Idk I think more mentally-unwell lonely nerds who develop parasocial relationships with the anime girls in their gacha games need to learn how to write fanfiction and make AUs. Or idk commission a fanartist. They literally have the money to blow on glorified slot machines, like bro just toss some cash at your local artist and commission them to draw your waifu making out with your self-insert. Better use of your money imo.
#i know you can't legally commission fanfic *directly*#you can request it and donate to a fan author's patreon maybe#i know some hold raffles and whatnot whoever donates a certain amount they'll write a fic for#like genuinely these guys would benefit from dipping into transformative fandom spaces more. idk why they don't.#these are obviously guys who would LOVE to work in some self-inserty bullshit with their own personal mary sues#and that's not always a bad thing! fandom can be a good outlet!#but i'm just seeing a bunch of guys bitch and whine that a female character even looked at someone besides them#and i'm like ''just write a fanfic''
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been watching supernatural again lately and felt like drawing my spn oc, magpie martin!! everyone’s favorite psychic and my personal victim of the narrative. sorry for all that trauma baby but I appreciate your hope and unyielding optimism in the face of it anyways
#she’s also a nephilim who will be the vessel of the villain in her story but she doesn’t know that yet#she’s perfect and so mary sue and i have not a care in the world#spot the scars. she’s riding the struggle bus. so sorry queen#you’ll get your happy ending with dean in my personal canon i promise you it will just take too much time and your own death probably 💔#nobody else probably cares about this but i do love posting my little work here!! and i’m proud of her so hehe :3#original character#oc#re: my art.
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Me: All fanfiction is valid!
Also me, gripping my bejeweled chalice in rage: Character x reader is a pox upon the land
#HOT TAKE ALERT#i don't wanna yuck people's yum but i hate that shit#it is fundamentally bad writing because y/n is not a character to be developed#i am also just generally in favor of putting at least *some* veneer of creativity on your wank fantasy#cxr is just mask off fapping#and it feels weirdly low effort compared to the alternatives#i don't think you can really improve very much as a writer if you exclusively write character x reader#it's too awkward to sustain a plot so you just get oneshots and pwp#which have their purpose but you don't want those to be the only tools in your toolbox#not to mention that a lot of the characters read as OOC since we can't see their development of their relationship with y/n#on a personal level it doesn't appeal to me because i don't want to fuck the characters#idk i wonder if cxr is the new mary sue self insert but if so it's less creative than develping an OC!#i'd rather see a million obnoxiously perfect mary sue OCs than a single y/n#fanfic is a labor of love and i wanna see that WORK
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I wonder how much of the 'Mary Sue' thing is born of insecurity. I am always afraid of my characters being Mary Sues because I am deeply insecure and have a really baked-in fear of being unlikeable, cringey, annoying, burdensome...of existing, really, in a way which others can perceive negatively. Perfection is the path to love and acceptance and worth (for me; I can and do love others even while acknowledging their faults. Or at least I think I love them as far as I understand love, which is possibly not far.) (I am aware this is hugely fucked up, almost as much as my parentheses usage.)
But when I roleplay or create characters, my biggest power fantasy is 'kinda like me, but better in every way'. I want to be good, I want to be courageous and noble and heroic and strong in all the ways I am not in real life. I've had some chaotic-neutral type characters in RP, but even there they have often trended towards goodness and altruism over time, or at least have a solid moral code.
I've never made it through an 'evil' playthrough of a game. It's not fun, I don't want to do it. Maybe that means I'm not, deep down, inherently cruel and harmful. Maybe it just reminds me too much of the darkness I know is there that I have to try to keep locked down. I suspect it's the latter.
If I want to put a character in a world to, on some level, act out an imaginary scenario for myself, I do feel pressure to make them 'special' in some ways. Partly this is so they'll be interesting, but partly it's so they'll be worthy and good enough to 'earn' their place somehow. Because even in my own fantasies, I am not and could never be brave enough, clever enough, interesting enough, and certainly not beautiful enough to be worthy of renown, of adventure, of great deeds, of love, of power, of desire. So it has to be someone else that's relatable enough, but far, far better than me. How realistic can they be, if I'm real, and I'm not enough?
Given all that, it would hardly be surprising if I ended up with Mary Sues. No lesser figure could carry that much weight.
#personal#writing#rp#mary sues#characters#insecurity#have a feeling this might be like one of those 'wait NT people just x / don't do y??' things a bit#like other people can just imagine themselves as the hero in a movie or having sex with someone they fancy?#I mean hell I gravitate towards supporting characters and comic relief#because I know I can't be the Chosen One or the Love Interest but I could maybe be some plucky character without a name#or the one who's there to make sarcastic jokes#I think maybe I used to dream bigger but I grew out of it I guess#when I realised how small I truly am
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It is extremely annoying how it’s impossible to start a positive thread about Egwene on r/wot without her legion of haters over there talking about what a horrible arrogant monster she is (sometimes with the backhanded compliment that she’s a great character to be as memorably hateable as she apparently is.) That sub is insufferable
#wheel of time#wot#egwene al'vere#and no I didn’t start the thread#I know better than that at this point#I do have to laugh at the person who said she’s a mary sue and rand isn’t though#like rand who became a blademaster in a few months#and who has three love interests falling all over themselves to be with him to the point that they reluctantly agree to poly#and who is the most powerful channeler in the world super special destined chosen one#and who is the king of like 5 countries#wot book spoilers
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I have been in the mood to watch some Shoujo so I finally got around watching Fruits Basket since its one of the most iconic Shoujo out there and it just feels like I’m missing out on not watching it and while I’m definitely enjoying it so far, I have to admit that Yuki’s (and Kagura) annoying ass almost made me want to drop the show...
#Kagura is pretty self-explanatory#her forcing herself on Kyo and beating him up when he rejects her is NOT cute#I don't care that she's supposed to be a tsundere cuz tsundere who beat up the person they like are so lame and out-dated#Kyo plays the tsundere-like character far better than her#as for Yuki.....he's just a Mary Sue?#he's supposed to be drop-dead gorgeous and has the entire school fawning over him#and he's also extremely powerful and can easily beat up Kyo without breaking a sweat#but he's also a poor sad uwu boy with so many insecurities#I'm sorry he's so obnoxious lol#I think its because he reminds me of Tim#in that we're supposed to feel bad about him but also think that he's perfect/so much better than everyone else#it got a little bit better in recent episode but boy did he almost ruin the show for me#Tohru too with how much of plain protagonist without any real flaws she is but I got over it quickly#since she's supposed to be a self-insert for the audience (also she's a nice girl who doesn't do anything that's really annoying)#except maybe giving sappy speeches every now and then#aside form these 3 I absolutely love the rest of the cast#especially Uotani Hanajima Hatori and Kyo#and I haven't met him yet but I just know I will love Hiro when he appears#mark my word#fruits basket
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Being shady in public about people's custom characters in games unprovoked is and was Loser Shit. People post about their PCs because they're having fun. It's not, like, systemically harmful or anything to bag on bland or ugly OCs, nobody's identity is being attacked or anything, obviously, but something can be shitty loser behavior without being bigoted, you know? Becky making a white girl elf with pink hair and a weirdly modded face isn't harming anyone or anything, and if Becky is acting shitty and running her mouth about how much better her OC is than someone else's, her OC is not the thing causing that issue, her stinky attitude is.
Like, man, when people make custom characters, they're just vibing. It's not for you, and nobody's OC is "adding representation" or "taking representation away" in fandom. Your social obligations are how you treat other human beings, not in making custom characters for literally anybody's sake but your own. No other person in fandom "benefits" if I as a white person make a non-white OC and post pictures of them or if I romanced a relatively unpopular character, I didn't do anything with that. I also didn't do anything by making white characters or romancing a popular love interest character, either.
I am all here for harmlessly clowning, especially if it's clowning on some nonsense. But I think fandom also needs to examine why they're so overly invested in what kinds of PCs that strangers on the internet make in their video games, and why they feel the need to feed into some narrative about competition over, like, elves and dwarves and shit.
You're not ~sticking it to the man~ when you make a post that's just "if your OC is boring to me then she's ugly and you're delusional for thinking she's cool" unprompted, you're just acting like you're still in high school. Bitch about other people's ugly OCs in your cunty little group chat like a grownup. You never, ever have to like what other people have made, but "this style of OC is fucking hideous and tacky and I hate it" is, like, an Inside Voice kind of sentiment. Saying it in public where you know that the people you're talking about will see it makes you the one making people feel bad for no good reason.
#bog post#fandom bs#my friends know that i'm incredibly judgmental when i don't like something so i'm not ragging on the concept of being a hater here#but i save that shade for personal conversations and small discord servers#i don't just toss it into the general tags where anyone who made and loved a bland OC that's not to my taste can read it#my bitchy little thoughts are my business not theirs#also a thing I've noticed: the people most likely to do this kind of high school stuff#either always have the ugliest fucking custom characters i've EVER seen#or their OC has the most detailed mary sue ass lore on the planet#you'd get much further posting about your own character and having a good time or directly asking for headpats for being so Special#than putting others down unprompted and unprovoked (and no - someone just existing is not provocation)#if your house is made of glass maybe you should throw your stones from the basement hm?
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I don't recall seeing it (if you've already addressed it whoops), how did Jay come to be a druid?
I've mentioned lil bits here and there, but I don't think I've typed it up in any coherent way before so thanks for the excuse B)
TL;DR: He always had an innate connection to nature, especially animals, which manifested itself in the form of being able to speak to animals and use simple wild shapes as a pre-teen. He was then taught how to harness more advanced druidic abilities by actual druids, first by a spore druid living in Baldur's Gate, and later by druids in a circle somewhere outside of the city.
I'm basing most of this on the fact that 1) Forest Gnomes have "Speak with (small) Animals" as a racial trait, and 2) how much of a druid's skill comes from simply studying and emulating nature - they're as much felt and intuited as they are taught.
Jay has always been very attuned to the animal life around him, being able to communicate with them for as long as he can remember. Strays, rodents, and birds were as much friends to him as the other humanoid kids, and it really shaped how he interacts with the world.
As a child he'd study the various animals to see how they moved, and then try to emulate that when he was playing and pretending to be those animals. You know, normal kid stuff. Which is why it took him by surprise when he suddenly stood there one day, having turned into an actual cat. It was more an accident than anything else, almost how sorcerer kids can have sudden and unpredictable surges of magic, where he connected with something more primal for just a moment.
It took him years before he could do it again, and even longer before he could consistently wild shape on command, but he got there eventually. He also tried his hand at other city animals like stray dogs and rats to varying degrees of success, but his cat form was always the one that felt the most "true" to him.
This was another thing that fundamentally shaped him and how he moves, the wild shape being a natural extension of his own humanoid form. As he got older, changing and morphing into other forms became almost as easy as breathing to him, something he barely even offered a conscious thought as he did it.
For years that's all it was, using his minor skills to play, travel around the city, and commit minor crimes like stealing food and trinkets. Nothing throws the Flaming Fists off quite like running into an alley and disappearing into thin air, leaving only an inconspicuous-looking cat behind.
He would eventually bump into Nana, an older spore druid who lived in and oversaw her own little corner of the Baldur's Gate sewers. She took him under her wing, and taught him some of the fundamentals of druidism, both in the form of the most basic skills, but also as an ideology. It's from her he learned to have deep respect for all forms of life, even the ugly and uncomfortable, and how death and decay are mere extensions of life itself.
Nana soon realized Jay's talents laid outside the realms of her own capabilities, and used her connections to druids outside of the Gate to send Jay away to a circle where he could really hone his wild shape abilities. He spent a few years at the circle learning a wider variety of skills, in addition to how to better control his shapeshifting.
He really could just have stayed there and become a permanent fixture at the circle among the other druids, which probably would have been a better life for him overall. But he longed back to the city, and so he returned to Baldur's Gate where he quickly fell back into a life of crime, just with a more advanced set of tools at his disposal.
I imagine he'd been about 14 or 15 when he left for the circle, and somewhere in his late teens when he came back; the perfect age to be genuinely useful, yet easily influenced and manipulated by people seeking to take advantage of him and his abilities.
#Sunny Answers#black-rose4#thank you so much for asking!#and to anyone who read all of this; I love u#real mary sue main character energy here but I do what I want#I'm going off of what sounds fun and how I personally imagine druids to work rather than the strict rules of game mechanics#OC: Tav
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The way dudebros* will froth at the mouth and scream mary sue any time a female protagonist dares to be competent or have any agency in her own story but then they turn around and go gaga over male characters who are treated as basically infallible by the narrative 🤦♀️🤦♀️
(*oftentimes male, but actually gender neutral)
#9/10 this type of person has a problem with a ''mary sue''#they would have lapped it up if she were portrayed/played by a man#it's never actually about being overpowered or having too few flaws or being favored by the narrative#because they LOVE that shit when it's about their male faves#it's not about bad writing either no matter what they say#because to these people ''having a female protagonist = automatically bad writing''#sorry. sorry. I just saw a really bad take by a youtube essayist.#mmari rambles#mmari rants#negativity#fandom culture#fandom misogyny#okay to rb
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Showing my current far harbor gaming experience with my shitty doodle also main girlie oc
#she is full of alcohol grilled crab amd drugs and still cant carry anymore#i can't let things behind because what if i need it later 🥺🥺#fallout 4#geym#she has no personality and a complete mary sue and absolutely spineless bend towards everybody to be loved#and i love her#n.a#i was also going to draw nick behind but i got bored tbh.
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Decided fuck it and making the wikis for my girls in gdocs bc I think I can format it well enough and I've gotten 1K words into Eve's, just hitting Sastasha (wherein details likely more scattered bc there on they follow story with additions) and desperately trying to find the line between "she's a sex worker" and "I'm wildly horny for my own OC and am unashamed about it"
#personal;#raine plays ffxiv;#“have i mentioned it a normal number of times? is that paragraph about puberty weird?? like it's relevant to her whole Thing#but is it weird??? who cares its staying in but i don't know where the line between “good god” and “yeah that tracks” is when it comes to#sexualizing my girl bc like. she is MEANT to be a litle “”mary sue“” in the “everyone wants to fuck her” way but that's also not ALL she is#but not yet. rn that's most of who she is. she doesn't let herself be much else until she gotta#she is a Tool and she has her Objective. she just gets too many objectives and turns into an exhausted Swiss army knife#anyway i'm rambling#write too much about Eve and she pokes her head in and makes it hard to shut up about her bc she's hot and cool and i love her
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I give you, Life with Picasso Moments that I’m Just Always Thinking About
#personal#art history#women artists#history crushes#“nothing about my look that spelled seduction#this book reads like a girl’s first Mary sue fanfic and I love it#Picasso#also that last quote legit made me start sobbing
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