#i love cult leader!miguel

[miguel-owhora]

I'm honestly obsessed with your cult au?!?!??!? Keep it up oml. I love it when I'm some weird inhumane and 100% demonic cryptid and there goes my husband walking around my nest full of my brood and it's almost domestic in a fucked up kinda way, giving him food n stuff and allowing him to use fire to cook it because eh he's human I guess and when he gives birth I'll give him the healthiest one from the rest and I'll eat everything else because fuck it I'm cryptid eldritch monster for God's sake

☆ 🤯

miguel is, in the simplest of explanation, a very depraved and sadistic man. he's an egocentric and intelligent man who craves power, who hungers for control and will go to any limit to achieve it. when he learns of how powerful cult leaders are, he decides to become one, and isolates them from society.

and when he learns of the cryptid learning in the surrounding forest where his community lives, he doesn't fear it, not like they do. he studies it the way you study them, learning each other's patterns, motives, personality. miguel catches glimpses of powerful claws and gleaming eyes, of sharp horns and low huffs through the shadows, watching hiw the tallest of trees tremble as you pass.

but he doesn't fear you, and this interests you. and your interest only grows when miguel offers you the corpse of an infant. less than a week old, born with abnormalities, born imperfect - miguel has strangled it to death and offers you the corpse, the prey, in return for a truce. miguel watches, unafraid and instead in awe, as two large claws take hold of the infanct and slink back to the shadow.

miguel doesn't fear you. weekly he returns with prey; whether that be of his own community that failed to do as they were told, or people they snatched up. he offers you their corpses, slick with blood and still warm, and each day you protect them from outside threats.

miguel doesn't fear you, no, he craves you. and it's not long before he's stuffed on your cock, biting down on your shoulder to muffle his screams as your cocks - plural, now - pound into his pussy. and he begs for more when you inflate his belly with your cum, begs for your brood, for your children, for anything you're willing to give him.

and miguel changes the ideology. they don't worship any false god now - they worship you, and miguel is your most loyal and divine follower, the only person not to fear you whenever you make your rare appearance, tall and towering and beastly, looking up at you with loving eyes.

and miguel doesn't truly love, not properly. but he cares deeply for gabriella, the strongest of your brood, the only one to survive, the rest crushed by your powerful teeth, swallowed up like mice. he cares for gabriella because she's him and you, she is a mixture of you both, and miguel views her as a physical, divine symbol, something sacred, a proof, of your 'love' for each other.

[psychedelic-ink]

hello everyone! here you'll find all the fics I've written for the haunted hoedown! like I said before I won't be doing kinktober this year so this is my mini kinktober for the year 2023 🎃 i tried to add more characters from my other fandoms but once again i ended up using mostly pedro characters lol whoops

hope y'all enjoy the hoedown and keep it spooky everyone! 🦇

find all fics on AO3

♡ DAY ONE ➡ 𝐒𝐖𝐄𝐄𝐓 𝐓𝐇𝐈𝐍𝐆. stepbrother!frankie x santi's gf!reader

taboo au + "i'll be your dirty little secret, if that's what you're into."

♡ DAY TWO ➡ 𝐃𝐎𝐋𝐋𝐇𝐎𝐔𝐒𝐄. dave york x f!reader

murder plot au (lets kill this person together) + "crawl to me"

♡ DAY THREE ➡ 𝐀𝐋𝐋 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐆𝐎𝐎𝐃 𝐆𝐈𝐑𝐋𝐒 𝐆𝐎 𝐓𝐎 𝐇𝐄𝐋𝐋. priest!ezra x f!reader

priest au + “worship me. until i tell you to stop.”

♡ DAY FOUR ➡ 𝐂𝐎𝐃𝐄𝐁𝐎𝐑𝐍. ai-enhanced!miguel o’hara x f!reader

artificial intelligence au + "here, you are. you tiny thing."

♡ DAY FIVE ➡ 𝐌𝐄𝐍𝐔𝐄𝐓. animal shapeshifter!pero tovar x f!reader

animal shapeshifter au + "you're not actually scared are you? of me?"

♡ DAY SIX ➡ 𝐂𝐑𝐘 𝐁𝐀𝐁𝐘. joel miller x f!reader

slasher / summer camp au + sex in the woods or somewhere public (added bonus if it includes knife, blood, hunter x prey kink)

♡ DAY SEVEN ➡ 𝐒𝐓𝐄𝐋𝐋𝐀𝐑 𝐑𝐈𝐃𝐄𝐑𝐒. jack daniels x f!reader

cosmic horror au + "you're a fucking nightmare. kiss me."

♡ DAY EIGHT ➡ 𝐅𝐄𝐀𝐑 𝐍𝐎𝐓 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐀𝐁𝐘𝐒𝐒. cult leader!din djarin x f!reader

cult au + “do you like it when i bleed for you?”

♡ DAY NINE ➡ 𝐅𝐑𝐀𝐆𝐌𝐄𝐍𝐓𝐒 𝐎𝐅 𝐓𝐎𝐌𝐎𝐑𝐑𝐎𝐖. tasm!peter parker x f!reader

zombie apocalypse au + "every moment might be our last, let's make the most of it."

♡ DAY TEN ➡ 𝐁𝐋𝐔𝐄 𝐕𝐄𝐋𝐕𝐄𝐓. marcus pike x f!reader

inspired by your favorite lana del rey song + “don't you know how sick with love i am for you?”

♡ DAY ELEVEN ➡ 𝐎𝐍 𝐘��𝐔𝐑 𝐌𝐀𝐑𝐊. fallen angel!joel miller x f!reader

cyberpunk au + fallen angel au + “i will keep hurting. i will keep killing. anything to protect you.”

♡ DAY TWELVE ➡ 𝐀 𝐂𝐎𝐔𝐑𝐓 𝐎𝐅 𝐅𝐀𝐍𝐆𝐒 𝐀𝐍𝐃 𝐅𝐎𝐗𝐆𝐋𝐎𝐕𝐄𝐒. oberyn martell x f!reader x max phillips

vampire court au + "forever isn't long enough for me to forgive you."

some of the works above will contain dark themes and situations. if that is not your thing please just skip them. every fic will have additional warnings. minors please dni.

if you like what you see please reblog and comment to show support 🖤

[blackdollette]

⊹ ࣪ ˖ 𝐥𝐢𝐯'𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐫𝐲. ‎‎₊˚⊹ 𐦍༘⋆₊ ⊹

#RULES!

what i will write.

i will primarily write rory culkin content on this blog, but i am now writing for miguel o'hara, spencer reid and the outsiders. i try my best to answer all requests that i get, unless they go against things that i write. i write 18+ content.

what i won't write.

incest, pedophilia, scat play, & watersports.

#MASTERLIST!

kinktober masterlist.

be my valentine. ₊˚⊹♡: masterlist

☆ = nsfw

charlie walker.

if i cant have you, no one can. you & charlie stalking eachother. getting down with charlie. ☆ charlie's personal camgirl. ☆ pretty when he cries. ☆ subby charlie giving you head. ☆ trashy tutor session. ☆ trashier study session. ☆ prettiest girl he's ever seen. best friend. childhood crush.

euronymous.

dating euronymous hcs. giving euronymous head after a show. ☆ euronymous' fucktoy. ☆ meeting euronymous at a party. meeting euronymous at a party (part 2). ☆ admiring from afar. taking his virginity. ☆ bimbo and the beast. ☆ first time doing anal. ☆ little black bimbo. ☆ rough sex. ☆ throatfucking. ☆ gonna play with myself. ☆ ps girlfriend hcs. ☆ the shape of my body. ☆ threesome with dead. ☆ i'm the boss. ☆ friday night fight. grinding in the pale moonlight. ☆ cheater. ☆ loving you is hard, being here is harder. blessed with beauty and rage. private session. ☆ brother's best friend. ☆ sweetest melodies.

clyde.

dating clyde hcs. making edibles on a stormy night. crying on his shoulder. bathtime with clyde. ☆ intoxicated sex. ☆ sloppy sex. ☆ meet me at the diner. dating clyde hcs (again.) shotgun. ☆ taking his virginity. ☆ tired n sickly. ☆ fingerbanging at coachella. ☆ kissing behind the skate structure. do you want me or do you not? the bad girl next door. ☆ forever wild. ☆

jack thurlow.

having sex with jack. ☆ jack's worst addiction. jack's keepsake. ☆ your first time. ☆ your wife won't mind. ☆ hold me, love me, touch me. ☆ i need you. ☆ guided masturbation. ☆ sun & moon, december & june. let's ride. ☆ sad girl. a little party never hurt no one. dom x dom. ☆ somnophilia. ☆

ollie sway.

giving ollie a striptease. ☆ public sex. ☆ first orgasm. ☆ attempt to be dominant. ☆ watching me get undressed. ☆

kappa.

one night stand with kappa. ☆ a friendly visitor. caught masturbation. ☆ jealous girl. ☆ softcore babyface. (ft. dan cooper) ☆ don't forget me. ☆ got a knife in my shirt. ☆ my cult leader. ☆

dan cooper.

dan's first time using a toy. ☆ dry humping. ☆ two little bunnies. ☆ pegging danny. ☆ dan cockwarming. ☆ world's biggest whore. ☆ danny dom. ☆ feminization. ☆ softcore babyface. (ft. kappa) ☆ daisy chains. ☆

chris kenton.

friends with benefits. ☆ private dancer. ☆ truth or dare. ☆ blowjob. ☆ got me feeling so much. ☆

marcus (swarm).

putting him into subspace. ☆ that damn bowl of strawberries.

spencer reid. (criminal minds)

you wanna make the switch? ☆ heard that you like the bad girls.

more characters to be added.

credits to ©444rockstargf.

[suguru-getos]

Fleeting - Part I

Summary: Broken and bruised, is what your heart feels after losing the love of your life - Geto Suguru, in the hands of someone you barely know. Isn't it your duty to have Gojo Satoru dead at your feet?

Author's Note: Gosh TIS is ANGSTY>!!! I almost cried while writing this part :((

Chapter Summary: You have been told that Suguru is no more, how you cope up can be utterly frightening when there's nothing else to lose anymore.

You stood at the kitchen door, frozen, numb, eyes widened with the sheer panic of everything that befell. The environment around you just felt akin to pure desolation, the very marrow of your bone shattered, broken apart in endless pieces and it was impossible to bring you back. The endless void that Suguru created in your life, the deteriorating feeling of emptiness, hollowing you, sucking your soul up. "Where is he?" You managed to fight from the endless pit of anxiety that grew like a black hole. Mimiko and Nanako are scared to meet your gaze, the woman who's not much older than them but they still consider her as the epitome of love. For both of them, and, their precious Geto Sama.

Your eyes are not allowing the pent-up grief to escape, not a tear shall be shed for this. Never will. You can't wash off all the feelings of being notoriously tainted by Suguru's intensity, by his love. Your mind isn't thinking straight, you want answers, need answers. "I asked a question, Miguel." You asked someone else in the 'Family' that cherished you as much as they cherished Geto. "Please.." Manami, the woman who helped him do his due-diligence being a Cult leader cried out. She knows you will break apart, and they are not sure if they can handle a living corpse after losing Suguru-chan.

"Where is Sugu?" You asked again, desperation of clutching for the fleeting hope of him returning back, evidently smiling with his ever-so-loving, signature smile and warmth ensuing with his hugs. He couldn't… he shouldn't. HE COULDN'T!

"Y/N Sama" Nanako sniffled, running to you and hugging you tightly, loud sobs and wails of torment echoed the room as she fell to her knees. As if she's apologizing. Why is she apologizing? Where is Suguru? You just asked a simple question - where is Geto Suguru? The love of your life, the biggest piece of your heart, the reason of you existing and not dead at your own actions all those years ago.

"Y/N Sama- please don't ask this, you know he's gone… he said he would be the first to come home didn't he?"

You want to kill everyone in this room, you want to kill every sorcerer to exist, you want to kill yourself.

He did… he did promise you. Hugged you close and whispered how grateful he is to have you, over and over and over and over and over and over and-

Why did he have to leave you forever?

Why could he not let his heart beat for you?

"This- is mine." The flashback of Suguru's silky voice haunts you, as his looming, large hands point at the left side of your chest. "You have my heart, and I, have yours." He smiled, holding your hand and softly placing it on his naked chest. "So if this stops working -" He nuzzles against your chest, "Which it would never, because my heart would never give up on you… but if it does, know I've failed to protect you as a man."

"Gosh, so intense and for what" You push him away, rolling your eyes. "Both our hearts wouldn't stop working. You know why? Because - in this world, you bring out a smile in me."

Suguru was right, if his heart was in you - he didn’t fail to protect you, but you did. You're all alone now, the only shred of comfort if ever, in the grotesque way your heart is tattered apart, is the words of Suguru where he calls that 'his heart'. You know that's not true, you know better. Still, what else could you do?

You can't think of anything else, can't speak, can't eat. Time is a construct when it's your other half that you’ve lost.

You don't even remember that a week has passed with you staring at the wall, sleeping in the same bed that has the scent of your person.. fleeting… just like him.

You cry on the eighth day, you roar, you scream, you let the world know that you're here. Even if Geto Suguru is not, you're here.

What's worse than a lion? The king of the jungle, the apex predator?

An injured lion.

You.

All you can think of is how to make the ache in your heart settle, how to breathe again. Or perhaps, how to be worthy of death that you can grant yourself and re-unite with Suguru. What would it take to meet him again…

You drag yourself up from the bed, going to his closet and taking his perfume out, the whisking sound of it spraying all over echoes as you close your eyes, pumping it over and over and over and over and over- you can't afford to not smell like your lover. You are losing your mind- why doesn't everyone else die? Who killed him-

Right, who killed Suguru Geto?

Frantically, tear-stained and in an absolute mess, you opened the door. Stunned to see 'everyone' standing outside. You know why they were there, your screams and sobs were unimaginably painful. You were crying out in utter devastating, soul churning pain after all. None of them knew how to console you after all. How would you tell someone to be okay after they lose the light of their life?

"Who killed him?" You asked the question, looking at everyone.

"Gojo Satoru." Larue responded.

"Gojo Satoru.." You repeated, as if writing his name in red in your broken, bleeding heart. Writing his name in… blood red.

"His best friend?" You snorted, the denial turning you furious and unimaginably dangerous.

"We have a new mission, my family." You smiled. If it's revenge that can keep you alive, so be it.

[night-night-stories-before-bed]

Guess who is finally back! Yeah me. I can finally write once more. I still have some headaches from the flu, but at last, nothing else to bother me. For now. I hope I won't get my laryngitis this year.

So, like I promised I am back again with a quiz for y'all! I have started working on not 5 but 6 stories and I want your help to decide what order I should post them!

Here are the stories;

- Tony Stark with a villain!Male!Reader who use magic and is a cult leader Lovecraftian style, slow burn with Tony losing his grip and joining the reader on the dark side 😈

- Simon “Ghost” Riley/Male Reader in which Reader welcome Simon to his farm after Simon has finished his missions because Simon has no one. Through the nightmare and bad memories of Ghost they fall for each other.

- Gabriel Agreste/Male!Reader Love/Hate relationship with implied smut

- The third part of my Don’t Take My Sunshine Away

- Miles Morales & Mentor!Male!Reader with implied Tony/Male Reader in which reader from another universe became Miles’ new mentor, making Peter Jealous and not letting Miguel lay hands on Miles.

- Gojo Satoru/Male!Reader with a bit of smut because I am still in denial that my gorgeous king is Gojover :(

And yeah, they are all Male!Reader because we don't have enough of them <3

[celestie0]

🪷 Jjk0 is proof that angry, jealous gojo is the hottest version of gojo. Dude was so pissed about geto and Miguel that he beat the daylights out of the dude for no reason except for a kfc breakup..#need

I love pathetic men (that are otherwise chill and composed) so damn much esp when the guy is shameless about their jealousy and desperation. Like ok Mr zestycles..what did you say to your cult leader ex boyfriend that made him blush and giggle right after he said he couldn't truly smile in this world?? 🤨

Just imagine ihm gojo (I know I'm obsessed with him but he's closer in age to canon gojo LOL which is why this scenario) just getting aggy as hell over someone being uncomfortably close to you..grown ass man bitching about it like... ur 36!! cock and balls out NEOWWWW👖📴🍆🫴🏼🍦😋

NO SRS bc i love silly boy gojo sm i want to kiss him but when he’s serious n locked in to get shit done n angry n inconvenienced n irritated n jealousssss 😓😓😖😖😪😪😮‍💨😮‍💨🤧🤧😵‍💫😵‍💫……he’s SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO yea lilypad anon i trust u get the vibe xD

like i dunno it’s like when u piss of the chill person n a light switches on in them n you’re like 😳…yo who’s this new guy…and where have my panties gone. but also now that i think about it gojo is 100% the type to go “no more mr nice guy” before beating the living daylights outta someone ✋🏼😭 and it’d make me wanna suck his dick 😔😕 #notproudofit

MR ZESTYCLES HAS ME ROLLING LMFAOOO

ok yes it is so canon that he took out his breakup angst on miguel 😭😭 poor dude caught SO many strays just bc a zesty slenderman who is also unfortunately the strongest person in the world couldn’t handle being broken up with by his big beautiful goth bf over TEN YEARS AGO ✋🏼😔 justice for miguel fr

also PLS ihm gojo is mr zestycles galore n pretty decently composed most of the time but i can’t wait to write the moments where he loses his marbles bc he can have a temper for sure ✋🏼😭 esp if someone fucks up or disappoints him lol i mean it’s giving suburban cool dad that’s super chill but when he flips you just KNOW you’ve done goofed up 😓😨……………but imagine the sex tho 🤭🤭🤭

[din-skywalker]

It's really difficult to be in the tags because the amount of opinions I've see about how Mig is using Spider society as some kind of death cult like this idea not only is boring and immensely reaching, is also straight up racist

Like everyone loves nuance until the brown mexican guy is the antagonist then suddenly he is the leader of a death cult praying on the other spider's vulnerabilities?

Everyone into this idea pls use your brain cells and think why you think that

god i know it's horrible. like. it was almost automatic for some people to think this. and it sucks that some of them don't reveal realize it's like.. bad? miguel doesn't have a cult. it's not a cult. it's NOT A CULT!!!!!!!!!!!

...but he does have an occult following in the comics that he hates fun fact

[dalekofchaos]

Spider-Man and the Defenders. Wilson Fisk is free, not only that but the Hand is trying to seize power in NYC. It's up to SPider-Man, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist to stop this threat.

The Avengers finally return to NYC and get off their fucking asses after all this time requests Spider-Man's help against Kang the Conqueror(this time not played by an abuser) Loki or even better, the Masters of Evil ran by Norman Osborn, Doctor Doom, Loki, Red Skull, The Leader, and The Mandarin

My Punisher pitch:

Imagine if we get these Punisher challenges.

Peter gets word that The Punisher is in town and set up a bunch of hits on mob bosses and their lieutenants. Much like the Black Cat stakeout missions and Taskmaster challenges, Peter has to pinpoint where Frank is stop him from executing his victims and stop him.

Ideally, I'd love a callback to Punisher and Spider-Man's firs interaction. Being hired to kill him and realizing what a mistake it could've been. "Don't make me make that mistake. Stay out of my way."

It all leads to a boss fight against The Punisher.

Make it clear that what the Punisher is doing is wrong.

Peter calling Frank out on his bullshit and saying "you're just a guy who uses his family's name as an excuse to be a murderer". JJJ calling him a murderer that gets innocent people killed in his one man war on crime. Danika being absolutely repulsed by the Punisher's existence. Then we get a limited time third podcast. The Microchipcast. aka Microchip being the only pro-Punisher voice justifiying his actions and blaming Spider-Man for letting them all for walking alive.

The Spiderverse was already teased, so let's run with it.

Okay, not a full on Clone Saga. Just something that gives us Jackal, Ben and Kaine.

Not sure on the specifics. Baxter Building is already there, want to see Peter and Reed do science together and see Peter and Johnny's unmitigated gayness

Something's happened to Peter. His powers begin to evolve and he doesn't know what to do. He seeks help from the X-Men. His unforeseen mutation not only gets him the help from the X-Men, but the attention of Magneto. Peter fully transforms into Man-Spider and for a brief moment, you get to play as the X-Men while Miles administers the cure.

Deacon Frost comes to NYC and attacks Dr Morgan Michaels. Dr Michaels then tries to research a cure with Spider-Man's help. However it's too late. Dr Michaels becomes Morbius, the living Vampire. This gains the attention of Blade. Blade hunts Morbius, Spider-Man fights him, Spider-Man fights Morbius while trying to help him and then the three teams up to fight Frost.

We've seen the Sanctorum, we could see Baron Mordo leading the "Cult of Dormammu" causing chaos while Mordo is planning a mass sacrifice to unleash Dormammu upon the world.(pretty much the same plot from SMA arc, but with no Fox censorship)

Don't care about the context, I just wanna see Spider-Man and Johnny Blaze team up to kick Mephisto's ass

[jellsrants]

The Spider… Cult? A not-so-in-depth analysis

Thanks @0luna123 for the idea

After the user credited above mentioned that someone should do a cult analysis when reblogging one of my posts I just knew I had to do it. After all, this is an incredibly interesting angle (and, the more I found out about how to identify a cult, more plausible).

I mostly used information from this page, and will be basing this post on the information it provides. It’s an interesting and light read, so I highly recommend checking it out for yourself, even if just for fun. You know, the kind of fun when you want to read about cults.

Let’s begin by checking off boxes of the characteristics of a cult.

A charismatic leader - check! Miguel is undoubtedly the leader of Spider Society (jury is still out on charismatic, but considering the fandom’s response… well….). He is considered incredibly smart and capable, and is at least assumed to have created and be in control of all of the important technology in the Spider Society.

Ideological purity - check! Members of the Spider Society are, in fact, discouraged from questioning the validity of the “canon event” theory, and are punished if they do (and I’m not talking about Miles right now, I’m talking about Gwen being kicked out and disconnected for trying to go against the grain)

Conformity and control - check! Miguel is able to control the watches that he gives his followers, and use those watches as means to communicate, spy, analyze. He controls where they are allowed to go too. It is reinforced by regular members, and especially by his ‘close circle’ (even against other members of the circle)

Mind altering practices - nope! At least not that I’ve noticed when watching the movie. Unless, of course, those burgers with Miguel on them contain something sinister…

Isolation and love-bombing - check? Half-check? Well, at least for one member - Gwen. Though we don’t get to see much of how other people get indoctrinated, grabbing her from an incredibly stressful situation at an incredibly vulnerable state and promising safety and community… seems like that flag starts looking a bit red

Us-vs-Them mentality - check! Gwen quite literally describes the Spider Society as an elite society that is very desirable to join, even though technically there shouldn’t be a reason a Spider-Person would not qualify.

Apocalyptic Thinking - kind of check? Half-check once again. The members of the Spider-Society are not preparing for an inevitable apocalypse, but instead are preventing signs of one. Though, their methods and even the truthfulness behind what they are doing (or not doing) is under a big question.

Time and energy - check! The members of the Spider Society contribute a lot of their time and energy serving the unknown (or barely known) purposes imposed by Miguel. Sometimes their lives are put on the line, too.

That’s about a 6/8 score! And between that and the general sense of totalitarianism present, I feel as though at least a conversation on whether or not the Spider Society is simply a non-religious cult is a conversation that would be very interesting to have.

[raccoonfallsharder]

heyyy chip anon again ( except this time chip anon is eating chicken nuggets so ….. chicken nugget anon ??? )

okay anyways *crosses legs very professionally*

opinions on miguel o’hara ???? he is my #2 babygirl rn ( nobody tops rocket ) and i need to know my fav author’s pov on him

sorry if this is like - annoying - i’m gonna be 100% straight up i literally have nothing better to do rn , so , why not ask your opinions on miguel o’hara ?

you’ll always be chip nonnie to me baby (unless you’re requesting a name change, which i would of course honor) ♡ and thank you for the compliment you are so fuckin sweet

*crosses legs significantly less professionally because we’re talking about miguel o’hara*

where to begin

miguel o’hara is hot and there is a lot of super-steamy fanfiction about him from so many amazing writers. like, ur girl dae is consuming a LOT of it. love a fictional dude with a ridiculously stupid 8:1 shoulder-to-waist ratio (the size kink is real). and that VOICE.

and yet. miggy is absolutely someone who should be my (fictional) type, at least based on my history. but somehow… he’s very low on my list in general

i’m not sure why (though i have a list of possibilities, i haven’t exactly thought critically about this before). i suspect it has something to do with the way we deal with trauma. i can feel a lot more empathy for someone who turns their unhealthy coping mechanisms inward versus someone who turns them outward. my boy miggy trying to bend the multiverse to his will & manipulate/control a league of spiders just doesn’t get my emotional motor running

(actually the more i think about this the more i’m like “is miggy a cult leader???”)

it may also have to do with the fact that all my big sister energy (and there is a LOT, surprising no-one) is fully-activated in defense of miles morales. miguel o’hara hurt the baby

THAT SAID i am open to being convinced. what makes him rank an IMPRESSIVE #2 slot on the babygirl list???? is there any fanfiction you recommend that might sway me??

[twentyfivemiceinatrenchcoat]

jjk chapter 254 spoilers under the cut !!

WHAT A FUN CHAPTER it was nice to see kusakabe get his moment….. even if it was short-lived :’3 HE’S FINEEEE GUYS DW look at this panel. look how sick it is. you think this is the kinda guy to go down like that??? kusakabe is a like a cockroach he could survive a nuclear bomb…. trust…..

but no i !!!!! loved. his thoughts abt yaga T_T how kusakabe really is just a decent guy once you get down to it. he owes yaga a debt but it’s less of a debt and more of a deep respect… he tells himself that yaga is dead so it doesn’t matter but he still imagines yaga’s sad expression and still latches on to what he would’ve wanted. he cares.

and i think this was also such a great moment :(( bc kusakaba has been running away from battle for. as long as we’ve known him LMAO but this is him taking on a more protective role towards the kids!! something akin to nanami and the importance he placed on adulthood. and it’s also so good when you remember kusakabe’s previous stance on yuji…. how he thought it was best for him to be executed. but deep down he cares!!

i’d have liked to see more interactions between him and miwa bc it’s obvious those two are especially close :(( and that makes a lot of sense because both are them are just. Nice. they’re kind people. miwa is just way less cynical. their banter is always so fun and i need my dosage of found family father/daughter moments so akutami BETTER supply me with more …. 😒😒😒

anyway i like kusakabe i think he’s nice :3

ALSO CAN WE TALK ABOUT THIS PANEL HELLOOOOO????? I CRIED???????? THEY ALL LOOK SO GOODDDDD one of the most handsome gojo’s i’ve seen in a while….. his dimples and his smile :’3 and he thinks kusakabe is a nice guy!!!! do you think they ever explored each other’s bo/GUNSHOT

okok i think i’ve gotten all my thoughts out……. almost. BECAUSE LOOK WHO’S BACK ‼️‼️

MY MANNNNN MY GUY maybe now the fandom will stop sleeping on him smh……… he didn’t survive gojo fucking satoru and train yuuta in africa for this disrespect. miguel is probably the strongest sorcerer outside of japan he is a Problem and i believe in him!!!!! i’m also excited bc i think this means we might be getting more old characters back soon :3 i wanna see larue. and if we see larue we might see todou…. maybe even yuki….. (<- delusional) BUT most of all: if we get larue or even just miguel there’s the SLIGHTEST chance we might get some flashbacks of cult leader geto and if that happened i would forgive akutami for literally Everything <33333

[rmorde]

Just a long rant. Sorry.

Stuff that are oddly ignored or willfully misunderstood about Get0:

#1 It was his choice to do genocide. No one forced him to do it. Yuki mentioned it but quickly pointed out that it is a crazy idea that no one would do! He chose that goal for himself.

#2 He was dead serious about his genocide. He is 100% willing to kill non-sorcerers. Wdym "he may not have killed a lot"?! -> He killed an entire village. -> He killed his own parents. (It's his "Now that I've done this, I can never go back" deed) -> He killed the OG leader of the cult that had Riko killed. (Even if he deserves it) -> He killed a client for not paying him. (Are we sure he didn't just send those curses to him in the first place?) Get0 wants all non-sorcerers dead. Their "usefulness" just delays the inevitable to him. Remember his speech about two types of "monkeys"?

Speaking of which, he hates non-sorcerers so much he calls them "monkeys" and even deodorizes himself after being around them for a few moments! It's so wrong on multiple levels.

Also, I repeat Get0 KILLED HIS OWN PARENTS JUST TO MAKE A POINT THAT HE IS SERIOUS ABOUT HIS GENOCIDE AGENDA! HE IS NEVER GOING TO COMPROMISE WITH THIS.

#3 "Get0 did not intend to seriously fight Goj0's students. He went easy on them"... What? What? WHAT?! How-

-> He wants Maki dead. MAKI ONLY SURVIVED BECAUSE OF HER HEAVENLY RESTRICTION + INUMAKI AND PANDA ARRIVING JUST IN TIME + YUTA HEALING HER. Get0 was not being merciful towards her.

-> He wants Yuta dead. He explained it explicitly. He needs Yuta dead to get Rika so he can beat Goj0. GET0 WAS NOT HOLDING BACK. HE IS DOING HIS ABSOLUTE BEST TO KILL YUTA. THE UZUMAKI WAS NOT JUST FOR DISPLAY! Regardless of whatever slight fondness Get0 has for Yuta in JJK 0, it doesn't fucking matter. He was still trying to kill him.

#4 "Get0 also went easy on Jujutsu Tech." I... Did we watch the same movie?!

-> Do all the managers like Ijichi not matter? A lot of them are fucking dead on-screen. Some are even killed by the hands of Get0's daughters! -> A young sorcerer or two were killed on-screen, before Nanami did his back-to-back flashes to save them. GET0 IS NOT GOING EASY ON THEM!

-> I guess this idea come from the fact that he didn't use all of his power against Yuta and that his army of curses were divided. Well... HE DID IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF HIS OWN FAMILY/CULT. IT WAS NOT FOR JUJUTSU TECHS + SORCERERS' SAKE! Get0 loves them and is very protective of his found family. It's a testament of how precious they are to him that he willingly weaken himself just to make sure they have enough support through his tamed curses.

-> The quote "I have no hard feelings towards Jujutsu Tech." is not an admission/statement of genuine regret. It's Get0's equivalent of "Nothing personal. Just good business. You're just in the way. " ---> Whatever affections he may have towards to jujutsu tech pale in comparison to the love he has for his family. In that moment, jujutsu tech is the greatest threat against his family. Get0 compartmentalize away his sentiment towards his alma mater and former friends. He prioritizes his and his family's victory first.

#5 "Get0 didn't want to fight Goj0." Ok... I get why this is a popular take but here is the thing: Yes. Get0 does not want to fight Goj0 but he needs to fucking fight Goj0 because he is the greatest obstacle to his genocidal dream.

-> EVIDENCE #1: He wants to get Rika so he can be on par with Goj0. Why? Because he must fight him.

-> EVIDENCE #2: He assigned Miguel to stall Goj0. You know? Miguel! The guy with a weapon that can fuck up Goj0's abilities and possibly weaken him? Get0 learned well from the Star Plasma Vessel mission and sent after Goj0 a sorcerer whose skills* and tools are as close as possible to T0ji's. Too bad Goj0 learned as well from the disastrous SPV mission and trained hard to fight without relying too much on Limitless ----> *I think Miguel just unfortunately got the J0go treatment. Goj0 gave him special attention. He stayed behind to deal with him personally - implying that no one else on his side can match Miguel. Not Yaga. Not Nanami. Not Mei. --------> Miguel also survived Goj0's punches and we all know how hard he hits. That's on a normal situation. But Ijichi noted that Goj0 was angry during the fight. So, I bet each of Goj0's punches are fatal but Miguel tanked them. He is that strong.

Look. Geto is a smart guy. He was playing wisely in his war against Gojo. He isn't going to fight him until he was ready. He did NOT go after Yuta at school because he didn't want to fight Goj0. He went there first to kill Yuta, get Rika, AND THEN fight Goj0.

Get0's story is a tragedy because he became utterly consumed by despair and hatred.

He was so desperate to find meaning in his life that he spiraled down from sorcerer to curse user to a genocidal maniac.

He become so full of hatred that he was willing to go against the reason he became a curse user in the first place. He wanted to make a world with just sorcerers, right? Then why the fuck is he killing so many sorcerers in his war? His Night Parade of Hundred Demons decimated the population of the very people he wants to live in his world.

Get0 loves his family and he still holds affection towards his former friends (especially Goj0). They all love and loved him in return. Unfortunately, it was not enough to save him.

[shurisbraids]

it's true and you should say it, op. this is exactly what i've been thinking!! at its core, atsv is about a kid in spandex realizing his best friends joined a cult. it wasn't until miguel started talking about canon events and the web of life and destiny that i started feeling this way. he totally fits the bill of a cult leader - not perfectly, per se, but enough where it counts:

the way he asserts his knowledge of a perceived higher truth. again, canon events and the web of life and destiny. the religious flair of it all - how all spiderkin are connected as one by a higher power; how their lives are predetermined, bound by fate, and they can never challenge that fate; how they must endure misery and suffering not only for their own growth but as part of a greater plan. and, of course, his subordinates believe it because it's rooted in truth: as spiders, they all share the same experiences. same chapters, same patterns, same traumas. and they've seen entire universes crumble presumably because of interdimensional meddling. so, miguel must be right. this is their dogma.

the way he employs charisma to win people over. this one's more implied, i think - excluding that tone of voice he used while explaining the society's deal to miles. how else would he have scored thousands of spiderkin to join his cause? sure, not all of them were won over (e.g., hobie), and he's a pretty harsh guy at his worst, but as leader he should know how to exercise tact or persuasion. it's not too far-fetched to believe that the spiders see him as a paternal figure of sorts - the one who guides them, who has the answers they seek, who soothes and rationalizes their pain. he tells them what they want to hear.

the way he established the spider society as a special task force burdened with an incredible purpose. srsly, they're basically the time police and a doomsday cult rolled into one. the chosen ones who must prevent the end of every world every day. keeping everyone and everything in the spiderverse in line to prevent an omniversal apocalypse. sacrificing the few in order to protect the many - even if said-few are loved ones. with the society, you get to be something more, become part of something greater than yourself, which is something right out of the cultist playbook. not to mention their belief that their exalted ends justify the means, leading them to do things they would otherwise consider morally reprehensible (e.g., leaving people to die when you can easily save them).

the way he ostracizes miles and labels him as Other™. this goes without saying. everyone has harped on this. miguel doesn't want miles to join the society because he doesn't see miles as a "true" spider. it was never miles' destiny to be a spider, so he's an anomaly, an outsider. predictably, he's shunned by the group, his friends are barred from contacting him, and miguel is hostile towards him. he sees miles as a force of universal destruction, threatening the fragile cosmic balance that he's been trying so hard to maintain. on top of that, miles directly challenges a principle essential to miguel's doctrine: that there's only one path in life a spider can take. deviation from this norm will - allegedly - lead to dire consequences. trillions of lives could be lost! so, why would he let miles join the society? of course, this doesn't excuse his cruelty towards miles (i.e., calling him a mistake, yeeting a trash can at him, slamming him into the top of a moving train), but it is a good explanation for his actions towards miles.

the way he doesn't respond kindly to being questioned. gwen asks him if he's absolutely, positively sure of the outcome if canon is broken. he isn't amused by her inquiry. considering his trauma, it makes sense why her question would pluck his nerves. not to mention the possible severity of the situation; after all, why gamble on such high stakes? but he's still being stubborn: he refuses to entertain the possibility of different options, of being wrong, of having hope. it's his way or the highway - as gwen learns soon after. he sees her as a threat due to her newfound curiosity and willingness to protect miles. she's an ally to an anomaly, which makes her an enemy to the society. thus, she becomes Other™ and is spat out of the group.

the way his criticisms - and fallibility - go unchallenged by his followers. upon failing to capture miles, he immediately shifts blame onto gwen, claiming that it was her fault miles got away, not his. the rest of the team - excluding peter - refuses to call bullshit and defend gwen like they should. all of them failed, but none of them admit it. even when peter tries to speak up, he fumbles big time, and jess silences him. they just leave miguel's accusation hanging in the damn air. they won't correct him because he's the cult leader and it's not their place to do so. gwen is the one who ultimately takes the fall, not them. similarly, when gwen asks jess for support after miguel calls her a liability, she still gets screwed over: jess throws her no lifeline. subsequently, gwen is dragged away by the go-home machine while jess and peter - people she thought she could trust - make no fuss about it.

the way he projects dominance in the spider society. cult leaders tend to utilize charisma and conviction to their ideals in order to gain power over people - and i've already illustrated how miguel follows suit. but we also have to discuss another, more obvious factor: his giant stature. excluding a selective few, he towers over everyone at hq, and we all know how size can make a world of difference in power dynamics. the bigger someone is, the more intimidating they are. when gwen questions him, he immediately turns on her, using his size to overwhelm her, to back her up into a figurative corner. to reassert his dominance. and - what a surprise! - none of the other spiders try to protect her. srsly, that scene still gives me mad anxiety! the way miguel forces gwen to dangle over that fucking ledge made me fear for her life the first time i watched it. i love you, migs, but eat shit, oh my god—

there's plenty more to talk about, of course: miguel's intense and controlling personality; how the spider society doesn't look like a cult on the surface; how almost none of them - including miguel - are aware of its true nature; the ambiguous finances for hq; how miguel being the central figure of a cult is accurate to the comics; the deterioration of the relationship between miles and his friends because of the cult; the emotional damage miles has suffered because of it; how mayday was technically born into the cult; and - most importantly - how, despite everything, none of the spider cultists are bad people. not even miguel.

they are all still heroes. they are all good people. all they want is to do the right thing, to work in service of a greater good. they're just misguided - just like real cultists. for some, it's easy to dismiss cultists as stereotypically evil or gullible, to assume that it's easy to avoid falling into the clutches of a cult, but that is NOT the case. anyone can become part of a cult. and no, it doesn't always mean that the person is bad or weak-willed or foolish. many cultists are normal people who were simply swept up into something... unideal. atsv illustrates this perfectly. its greatest strength is humanizing the cultists! regardless of the pain and the heartache they may cause, they're only you and me, your family and friends, people you see at school and at work and walking down the street - or swinging from webs.

but, as gwen's arc shows us, there is still hope for them. after realizing that she was right to question miguel's theories, that miles may be justified in saving his father, she breaks free. the fear she had of returning to her original life dissipates when her father gives her the thing she always wanted: acceptance. and - best of all - he won't be taken from her. she won't have that acceptance taken from her. she has hope. so, she assembles her own team of spiderkin to counter miguel and rescue her friend. of course, she broke miles' trust, and it may take a while to regain it, but there is hope that she can successfully make amends. and the spider cultists can too. escaping from a cult irl can be easier said than done, but it's always possible.

so, yeah.

dethrone miguel o'hara. end the spider society. give all these poor souls some therapy. 💔

The Spider-Society is a cult

Or at the very least Gwen’s experiences in it are very similar to indoctrinated cult members in real life.

Other cult elements in Gwen’s experience as a member of the society:

All of your friends and social connections are in the group

You’re discouraged or barred from connecting with people outside the group

You’re made to believe you won’t be loved or accepted outside the group

Your deepest insecurities and traumas that are shared with the group are later turned against you

[mrsoharaa]

Hehehe

Miggy anon here. Saw a very high quality geto edit and thought out you even tho i dont watch the show

MIGGY ANONNN <;33

aww, wish I could see which one it is! (I've practically seen/watched every geto (and miguel too, ofc! lmao) edit their is by far lmao) but aww! that's so sweet that you thought of lil ol' meee! love me my hot silly cult leader (୨୧ ˶ˊ꒳`˶) ♡ ♡

[whatisonthemoon]

Forged Messages, Insults and Obscenities: the Incredible Reaction of the "Friends of CESNUR" (1999)

▲ Pictured: Massimo Introvigne rings "the Bell of World Peace and Love" at a Federation of World Peace and Love (FOWPAL) conference, founded by Dr. Hong, Tao-Tze, the founder and spiritual leader of the Taiwan-based Tai Ji Men

Forged Messages, Insults and Obscenities: the Incredible Reaction of the "Friends of CESNUR" (source) By Miguel Martínez

"Dear Martinez […] Not everybody can play with inflatable dolls. How many do you have? […] Why don't you spend your time in a more pleasant fashion? After all, I don't think it's fun to call other people imbeciles (unless they pay you, but in that case yours is truly a dirty job). There must be other outlets for frustrated anti-Semites and those who have been defeated by life, even in Imola." (the whole post)

This is only one of about one hundred similar messages, which came out in various Italian and foreign newsgroups under the name religiosus@my-dejanews. This writer, in a message dated April 9th, 1999, on alt.support.ex-cult, the same anonymous author stated that  

" We wrote before that Religiosus is a collective name and that messages under this name are posted by a number of different people, in different countries, all somewhat sympathetic to CESNUR views (but not necessarily members of CESNUR)."

"Not necessarily members…". The style also shows that nine times out of ten, the person who signs himself as "Religiosus" is the same person. Besides messages signed Religiosus, other messages have also been posted with different signatures, but the style again shows the same hand behind most (the full story, written by somebody who knows Internet a lot better than I do). On April 9th, Religiosus went well beyond inflatable dolls. He spammed Italy's newsgroups with false messages attributed to me, containing attacks on religion in general, Christianity and the Jews. Of course these false messages (see here), as we have seen, allowed Religiosus to call me a "frustrated anti-Semite."  

In reply to this forgery, I asked CESNUR to officially distance itself from its over-zealous supporter, something CESNUR has not yet done. I therefore hold CESNUR morally, if not legally, responsible for the insults and, above all, for the forgery. This forgery had a follow-up: on April 24th, an even more diffamatory forgery came out, where the following incredible expressions were attributed to me:  

"Who says it isn't the Jews who are manoeuvring Scientology, the Jehovah's Witnesses and CESNUR too? […] The problem today is not violence against Jews, it is violence BY Jews against their opponents." (the whole post)

I have no love for law courts, and I would never think of suing anybody who criticises me openly, however loudly. But of course only a judge can discover the name and surname of the person who created such a serious forgery.

Seven simple questions   The whole debate between me and CESNUR arose around seven simple questions I posed to CESNUR. Here they are, in the form of statements:

Massimo Introvigne wrote a misleading, biased and apologetic study on New Acropolis, which included a series of false statements about me and my legal situation.

Introvigne and nearly all the Italian CESNUR activists are also members, and often officers, of Alleanza Cattolica, a right-wing organisation on the fringe of the Catholic Church, with a most pronounced ideological and political agenda which makes any objective approach to reality virtually impossible for its militants.

Cristianità, the official paper of Alleanza Cattolica, claims that CESNUR's activities are part of its "good battle".

Introvigne never wrote about "cults" until 1985, or if he did (I could not of course have read everything he wrote before that date), he did so using a tone which is the opposite of the one he uses currently, as can be seen in an article he wrote in 1985.

Alleanza Cattolica bases itself on the "teaching magisterium" of Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira, the father of "Tradition, Family and Property", a millennialist organisation which provides militant support for the political and financial interests of Brazilian landowners.

In 1985, Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira started teaching, as part of his "magisterium", the existence of an "anti-cult movement" and the non-existence of "brainwashing" (ideas which of course he did not invent himself).

These very special teachings of Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira coincide with the ideological foundations of CESNUR.

CESNUR can reply to each of these statements, by saying they are either true or false, and in the latter case, by explaining why.

They are quite simple questions. It is only when one doesn't want to answer that they become difficult. And polemics start.   The Fine Art of Lively Discussion   Polemics are a lovely game. The ultimate goal is to come nearer to truth through an honest battle of wits. This is why those who claim to already possess the truth find it so difficult to argue. Many still remember Introvigne's famous phrase, "Once again, I am not interested in discussing with an 'interpreter' my academic credentials or my work."  

However, running away from discussion easily leads to childish - if not actually criminal activities, such as forging electronic messages, or at the very least to a nervous breakdown.

Since I don't want Dr Introvigne to suffer from a nervous breakdown, I take the liberty of teaching him a few rules of the fine art of polemics. Of course, if he learns them, he may well use them against me. However I am not at all certain he will learn.  

Admitting One's Mistakes

  When you make a mistake, you must admit it. Writing about CESNUR, I made several mistakes. I know them all, since they were immediately pointed out to the whole world by my adversary - who thus implicitly confirmed all my non mistakes.

I once called Introvigne "President" and not "Director" of CESNUR. This is an obvious mistake and I admitted it immediately.  

On the other hand, the controversy between me and CESNUR started when Introvigne claimed that a court of law in France had established that I had made false statements. To put it very politely, this was an enormous mistake on the part of the Turin lawyer. Who has not however yet admitted it.  

A good polemicist must also avoid making misleading statements.I had written that Introvigne was the President of the Transylvanian Society of Dracula. It was not false, but it was misleading. Quite rightly, he immediately let it be known that he was president only of the Italian branch of this society.  

Now let us take the example of a misleading statement made by Introvigne. Speaking on a Catholic TV station, during a programme on cults, he said that Rick Ross - cult critic and former deprogrammer - was a "convicted jewellery thief." This statement is true, but it is also misleading, since the onlooker will be left with the impression that Ross either stole jewels while deprogramming someone, or that he is a professional thief who in his free time kidnaps people.  

Actually, many years ago during a stormy adolescence, Ross  was convicted for a theft. This experience led him to commit himself to social issues, and hence to working with cult victims. The fact is important, but for quite different reasons from what those listening to Introvigne would be led to think. Friends and Hypotheses   Before engaging in polemics, we should first decide whether we just wants to sling mud against somebody, or else want to arrive at some truth through discussion. In the second case, we must use only those facts which are meaningful within the framework of a reasoned and plausible hypothesis. As an example - it is a fact that Italian politician Massimo D'Alema has a Stalin-like moustache, but this fact is also quite meaningless. On the other hand, when we say that D'Alema wants a certain law to pass because it suits the interests of his party, this may be true or false, but it does fit into a logical hypothesis and the statement deserves looking into.

According to the French Catholic magazine, Golias, Introvigne writes for the French Communist paper L'Humanité. Introvigne also writes for Cristianità, the organ of the Italian right-wing group Alleanza Cattolica. Now, I could make use of the first fact to damage Introvigne's reputation among anti-Communists throughout the world. However, I don't do so, because I am not interested at all in Introvigne's reputation. What I do want to do is understand what his aims are. And nothing shows that these aims have anything to do with the political Left. There is a relationship with the Communist Party, but this relationship is quite meaningless.

On the other hand, Introvigne has been a militant of Alleanza Cattolica for over a quarter of a century. Ever since his early youth, he has followed the line of this organisation without the slightest deviation, and this same organisation is deeply involved in virtually every activity of CESNUR in Italy. This appears to be a much more meaningful relationship. And this relationship can also be explained within the framework of a reasoned and plausible hypothesis.

Now, how do CESNUR and its friends engage in polemics? I first wish to say that I understand their problem. On the one hand, there is CESNUR, which claims to hold the scientific truth in the matter of cults. And hence claims to be able to tell governments, judges, media, tax officials and social workers of every kind what to do. This is why it is important for all of society to be able to thoroughly assess the reliability of CESNUR. On the other hand, there is an individual - Miguel Martinez - who has submitted some documents which cast doubt on this reliability. Martinez is simply an independent professional, who lays no claim to teaching any truth to the world. He is like a postman bringing a telegram saying we have been cheated. It hardly matters whether the postman is a good family man or an alcoholic. What does matter is whether the contents of the telegram are true or not.

So if CESNUR does not want to answer the seven simple questions I posed, it can only keep silent. Or else attack the postman. Now, it's exactly against the postman - that is, Miguel Martinez - that the friends of CESNUR have launched three accusations. First, Martinez is supposed to have written years ago one article in an "extremist" magazine. Second, Martinez is supposed to use pseudonyms. Third, Martinez is supposed to have been expelled from an Italian cult-critic organisation, ARIS. As we shall see, two of these accusations are false and the third is insignificant, but they were enough to start a daily campaign of attacks on the newsgroups.

Religiosus (writing in alt.support.ex-cult), in his usual scholarly style, sums up the accusations against me, speaking of  

"one Miguel Martinez, now exposed on Italian NGs as a clown hiding under a variety of Internet aliases and (under his own name) as a former writer for the anti-semitic magazine' Orion' together with Robert Faurisson, the father of all Holocaust negationists."

I shall deal with the "pseudonyms" later on. "Together with", plus the use of the plural, makes one think of a series of articles written jointly.

The reality is quite different. Orion is a small "alternative" magazine. Authors include Right wing extremists, but also Left wing extremists, science-fiction fans, neo-pagans, Muslims and even members and friends of Alleanza Cattolica, who engage in free and fierce polemics with each other. Orion has also published articles by such diverse authors as Sub-Commander Marcos and Noam Chomsky.  

Back in 1993 a single article signed Miguel Martinez was published; this article, picked up from a bullettin published by cult critics, was about the anti-Communist cult of the Korean, Sun Myung Moon. The only reference in this article to the Second World War was a mention of the fact that one of Moon's associates was a convicted war criminal. Now, according to the friends of CESNUR, at some indefinite date, Orion is also supposed to have published an article by the controversial Frenchman, Robert Faurisson. I have no idea whether this is true or not, and of course the whole matter would be of interest only if this article came out before 1993, or if there was the slightest affinity in content between the articles. Because, what does CESNUR's accusation mean: does mentioning the links between the Latin American death squads and "Reverend" Moon mean practising anti-Semitism? If this accusation cannot be fitted into a logical framework, it will be exactly like accusing Introvigne of having sent the tanks rolling into Prague simply because he writes about "new religions" in L'Humanité.  

I have nothing whatsoever against extremists, whether they be of the anti-US variety (like Orion) or of the pro-US variety (like Alleanza Cattolica). I have repeatedly said that I see nothing wrong in Introvigne being a right-wing extremist. What I do find dubious is when an extremist group - of any kind - sets up a "study centre" which claims to be scientifically objective. It is reminiscent of the Creation Science study centres set up by evangelicals keen on scientifically proving the world was created 6000 years ago.

A second accusation against me involves my disagreement with ARIS, a non denominational Italian cult critic association. Here is how Religiosus, in his usual scientific style, explains the event:

"Dear Miguel Martinez […] You are so ignorant that even the most ramshackle Italian anti-cult movement, ARIS, has expelled you with a big kick on your butt for having said who knows what idiocy about Islam. I have a friend in ARIS who told me that the kick was painful, with an official press release, and that you are still crying over the pain. Ai, Miguel, que dolor!" (the whole post)

Certain details immediately show that Religiosus did not learn the story from a "friend in ARIS", as he threateningly says, but from a messageIwrote on the discussion group on "new religions", NUREL, where Massimo Introvigne too writes. In any case, I was not expelled from ARIS at all; I did not even belong to the group. To be exact, I sent them a fax explaining that I no longer intended to work together with them. This fax actually took ARIS by surprise. My opinions are different from those of ARIS. But here we are speaking about facts, and concerning these facts, ARIS too agrees with me.  

How to Use Evidence

Another important rule for proper polemics is this: never make any accusation which does enjoy the support of a plausible theory, but is lacking in proof.

Let us take as an example an accusation I never made: "CESNUR is financed by Scientology." Such a statement might be supported by indirect evidence (CESNUR organises extremely expensive conferences) and a plausible theory could be set up to support it as well: CESNUR does legitimise Scientology as a religion and this does imply a vast number of privileges for this US transnational corporation. However I have no proof that Scientology pays CESNUR, so I shall never make a statement to that effect. In other words, one must never make accusations even when one does have evidence and a plausible theory, but no proof. On the other hand, the friends of CESNUR launch accusations even when all three are missing.

Let us take what, at least according to them, is an accusation. I am supposed to use several pseudonyms on Internet: Martini, Martinelli and Harry, three names which appear in a site called "Allarme Scientology" and sometimes on newsgroups (this accusation sounds a little strange, coming as it does from somebody who calls himself Religiosus). In this case, there is one piece of evidence: the names Martinez, Martini and Martinelli sound rather similar.  

However there is no supporting theory at all. Why should anybody write publicly under his own name about highly controversial issues, and then use a pseudonym to write about less controversial matters? I know I am neither Martini nor Martinelli nor Harry. However, I am not asking anyone to take my word for it. There is very clear proof of what I say: Martini, Martinelli and Harry are all three experts on Scientology, a subject they have been dealing with for years, on their website. Anybody who knows the cult and cult critic scene in Italy is perfectly aware that I am no expert on Scientology. Also, a quick look at the texts written by each clearly shows we are all different people. But here is how a CESNUR friend who signs himself "Lancillotto" ("Lancelot") reacts when asked to consider these arguments:

"Sorry, nobody believes you. You are triple, as long as the money keeps pouring in."

A phrase which - in Italian - contains what some people assure us is Introvigne's favourite pun.

Martini, Martinelli and Harry are excellent people, and I have no problem in being associated with them. In fact, this accusation works, not because it is offensive, but exactly because it is false. The mechanism is childish but effective: "You are Eskimo!" "No, I have nothing against Eskimos, but I don't happen to be one!" "Liar! You see he denies being an Eskimo?" Writing, as he himself claims, from the CESNUR conference on spiritualism in Turin, an imitator of Religiosus calls me "Miguel Bugiardez," something we can translate as "Miguel the Liar." The statement made by the Cesnurians becomes defamatory - from a legal point of view as well - since it means they call me a liar whenever I deny it. A Secret Between Me and Freud

The expression, "as long as the money keeps pouring in" is another kind of statement one should avoid when engaging in polemics between adults. The CESNUR friend is stating as a fact that somebody is paying me. Of course, everything is possible. We have seen how one can even play with the hypothesis that Scientology pays CESNUR. But "Lancillotto" makes his statement without any supporting theory at all: who is supposed to be paying for me? The Belgian parliament? The psychiatrists? International communism?

Without any supporting hypothesis, the friends of CESNUR have at least presented a small piece of evidence: the fact that the CESNUR Critical Page has an elegant lay-out. This is what Religiosus means when, in another message, he says the following about me:

"Struck by sudden richness, he set up an imposing anti-CESNUR website; an anti-Scientology site had blazed the trail for this site."

Similar statements have been made in the past by Introvigne (see here). Now it is obviously no sense to set up a site critical towards Scientology (something which notoriously involves some risk) only in order to open some pages, on that same site, which criticise CESNUR. It should also be remembered that the pages critical towards CESNUR were removed in March, and that the site has gone back to dealing with Scientology only. After a period of total suspension, I had to find a new home for this "critical page", a home which only now has become final. I agree that my "critical page" is pretty. The technical difference between this page, created by Harry, and the rest of the Kelebek site, created by me, is painfully obvious.  

Anyhow, scientific research - something CESNUR often speaks of - is based on the possibility of repeating experiments and changing one's mind on the basis of evidence. I therefore invite Dr Introvigne to call up a dozen or so different webmasters. He will notice that they will all say that the costs are quite low. Of course, this does not prove I don't receive money. Perhaps I pocket the sums I get from the Communist psychiatrists. But until Introvigne can discover where I hide the receipts, this will be a secret between me and Freud.

Why it's Important to Keep Calm

Another important piece of advice. Never get hysterical. One will end up by appearing ridiculous. In a post on NUREL (March 24th, 1999), Massimo Introvigne comments a message of mine in which I had only mentioned CESNUR en passant and in quite neutral terms. Here is how his reply starts:  

"While I normally do not respond to nonsense about CESNUR (serious researches should be able to recognize trash when they see it) a recent posting by a professional anti-cultist is more nonsensical than usual."

And now let's listen to Religiosus (see here):

"Martinez is a professional anti-cultist." (in the same last Religiosus post)

Actually, I am a professional interpreter, and in any case my vision of the "cult" issue is very far from that of, say Margaret Singer, the "cult enemy" par excellence.

But here is another outburst of the same author:

"Dear Miguel, as a case of multiple personality disorder (MPD) you are just second rate. So far, you have emanated Harry, Martini, Martinelli and Martinovsky plus the short-lived Andrea Vinci. Imagine, in America there are cases of MPD with fifty or sixty different personalities, each with its own different features, competences, names (and probably ways of posting on NGs). Admit it. You're a failure, you are tortured by envy when Zoccatelli [a prominent militant of both CESNUR and Alleanza Cattolica] is interviewed by the national media and nobody cares about you."

Another suggestion for CESNUR - mention personal matters only when these mean something. I hope Introvigne has a happy family life, but this is no business of mine and as a matter of fact I have never mentioned it. Now here is what the friends of CESNUR have to say in the same post about my private life:

"After all, cases of MPD are not so frequent in and around Imola and this summer on the beach even a mental dissociation case like you with only five personalities (but try to emanate some more in the meantime) can pick up some German girl (or a Muslim girl, if you prefer). Of course you run the risk of falling into an identity crisis at the crucial moment and forgetting your name. A beastly summer lies ahead of you. Send our greetings to Faurisson."

This is an example of a losing strategy. The author is obviously utterly unable to control his hatred. He goes on stating as a fact the usual hypothesis about pseudonyms. Finally, ever since the early days of the Palaeolithic, hurling insults based on sex or on mental health has always been a clear sign of when the offending party has lost its capacity for arguing. In other words, Religiosus ends up looking stupid and makes the whole institution he represents appear ridiculous. 

  A Forgery

I have no time to follow newsgroups. I found out about this whole story thanks to a friend of mine who forwarded me Religiosus' messages, together with a forged message signed "Demetrio Martinovskj" and attributed to me. I quote the full message, to show the incredibly low level touched by the "friends of CESNUR":

BTW, both our tireless travellers spent their Easter holidays teaching lessons on the New Age at a retreat for young Adventists (a Christian, pro-Jewish religion) in Tuscany. They never stop, do they? Were the corn flakes, at least, good?"

This forgery was written by somebody who knew where Introvigne and Zoccatelli had just spent their holidays. The reference (perfectly meaningless, of course) to a "Christian, pro-Jewish religion" of course was studied to offend religious people in general, Christians and Jews in a single blow. The forger shows such an intense affection for PierLuigi Zoccatelli that he is even unable to accuse him (as I supposedly should do) of being apologetic towards cults. "Martinovskj" merely says that Zoccatelli is famous and is a "tireless traveller": hardly a criticism.  

This is quite obviously a criminal offence, since the message was studied for the sole purpose of defaming me and promoting CESNUR. So I hope it will be possible to track down the real author of this message. In any case, this forgery was not a very intelligent move, since I had not written on CESNUR for several months, and indeed I was starting to work on quite different issues. Let sleeping dogs lie… perhaps they counted on my missing what was going on in the newsgroups, but inevitably, sooner or later, somebody would have started forwarding me their messages.   Who is Religiosus?

First of all, I would like to reassure Religiosus, and above all Lancillotto - who prudently hides behind the name of Arthur's bravest knight. CESNUR knows my name and address, and I am not one bit afraid of them; why should they be afraid of me?

As soon as I replied on the Newsgroups, the anonymous defamer changed his strategy. From a group of sympathisers, if not member, of CESNUR, "Religiosus" suddenly became a joke:

"This is how the Religiosus game is played: to post as 'Religiosus' from dejanews, from any computer, all that is needed is to know the password, and this password has been sent to dozens of people ('cult apologists', 'cult members', some more sporting anti-cultist and simple practical jokers), each being asked to continue the chain."

This prudent statement in view of legal liability comes a little too late. It fully contradicts a statement made just 4 days before - on March 5th- by Religiosus on it.cultura.newage:

"Religiosus is a collective nom de plume used by several different people with the same password, who employ different computers (hence the different IP addresses, if you want to amuse yourselves by looking for them) and who share certain ideas and who are in touch with CESNUR."

In other words, they share the same ideas and are directly in touch with Massimo Introvigne's organisation. In any case, the majority of Religiosus' messages has the same style, and is anything but playful. Here is a typical example:

"If you move around the Web, you will see that CESNUR is the constant target for insults from anti-cultists, and CESNUR never replies with the same tone."

True enough - as we have seen, the tone of the friends of CESNUR is very different indeed from mine, at least.  

As soon as they realised the risks they were making the reputation of CESNUR run, Religiosus disappeared, and insults began to dwindle, thus showing that the supposed "chain mail" was actually under some form of control. There is very clearly one main Religiosus, surrounded by a few colleagues whom, perhaps, he gave the password to (this does not free him of course from his liabilities).  

Some friends suggested that Religiosus is forced to hide his identity, because he is actually Massimo Introvigne himself. This is their reasoning. I shall also say why I do not accept their hypothesis. Religiosus is somebody directly involved, who has totally lost his self-control because of the criticism I have moved to CESNUR's methods. Just imagine - for over one month, this person has been writing two or three messages of insults every single day against one person, that is me. Also imagine - the over one hundred messages he has sent so far are simply based on nothing. I am sure that even the most generous reader will agree that the author of these messages is a seriously disturbed individual. Now, I do not believe that Introvigne is mentally disturbed, or that he is so stupid: not even the Legionaries of Christ would allow somebody like Religiosus to teach for three days a year in one of their institutions (this is why Introvigne can use the title of "professor").

My friends claim that Religiosus employs many of Introvigne's most typical expressions. However, it is also true that everybody in CESNUR tends to speak and write like the founder. These friends also point out that Religiosus usually mails from a TIN ISP in Turin, using Netscape 3.02 on a Macintosh computer. Just as Massimo Introvigne does in his public messages. I do not see this to be compelling proof.My friends also note that Religiosus posts both in Italian and in English; but the messages in English were clearly written by an Italian who (like Introvigne) knows English quite well. Not proof enough for my scientific mind. However, there is one decisive point, which proves that Introvigne cannot be Religiosus: Introvigne has repeatedly written that he does not engage in polemics on newsgroups. And of course I take his word for it. At least until the opposite is proven.

  Miguel Martinez Imola, 1.5.99

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thoughts on jjk 0 movie

1. yuuta and toge best boys!! toge is so so pretty and yuuta is so cute!! i love him <33333 he and rika *hic sniff*

2. maki is so bad ass! noritoshi!! he was only there for a brief moment but i love him! mei mei and shoko! also only there for a brief moment but such powerful moment

3. gojo is such a menace! and so pretty! i know his lips are so soft! also when he was fighting miguel??!?! HOT HOT HOT!

4. geto. geto is a cult leader but i would let him indoctrinate me everyday. he’s so dramatic and would call me monkey but i wouldnt care

5. NANAMI! he was only there for like two minutes but he was so sexc and so powerful and that was so hot of him. pls tie me up with your tie and pls go into over time with me. i will mess up your hair part.

6. that satosugu flashback and their moment at the end HURT me!! i only need sexc satosugu moments, not ones that make me wanna cry!! hic sniff i love them both

i would watch again!!