#i know a lot of people don't see chara and frisk as siblings but it's a personal thing i guess

[shimmershy]

Which ship do you prefer, Frisk x Chara, Chara x Asriel, or Frisk x Asriel

(I'm sorry in advance)

They're all siblings to me man!!! I don't like any of these ships!!!

[sukifoof]

HI WATCH OUT FOR UNDERTALE YELLOW SPOILERS . ANYWAY

watched the ut yellow neutral end and ohhh i am losing my MIND... just. thinking about how flowey is only willing to move on in the true pacifist route. the route where he sees kindness and a genuine want to help others in a human child. asriel died to save humans because of the people he was surrounded with. toriel asgore and chara are people who feel very strongly for those around them and he couldn't take human lives when the only human he knew was chara. a kid who cares enough about the people around them to sacrifice themself, just like the way his parents are.

flowey comments on toriel letting herself go because she cares so much and how we wouldn't have to feel so bad if we simply didn't care. his whole coping mechanism is distancing himself from others and Not Caring because if he allows himself to feel it'll just completely destroy him. he felt for the humans on the surface even when they were attacking him and the way he treats clover in neutral vs pacifist says a lot about his want to see good in others.

hes constantly pushing frisk to go with options that benefit everyone and while he worries about clover caring about those around him he seems to really appreciate it. at any moment he could just do whatever he wants with clover's life. the only route in which flowey allows them to make their own choices with their life is when they're being a good person and he just can't help but call them a friend because that's the type of person he's always wanted to be around. that's the type of person that's home to him!!

and i keep thinking about how he just couldn't let clover live out their life with toriel in the ruins. something something toriel trying to make up for feeling like she failed asriel and chara and flowey feeling replaced and clover being stuck in a small place for the rest of their life. i have thoughts on this that i don't know how to put into words but i'm not at all surprised flowey wasn't okay with that. of Course he wasn't. hes flowey. he has every issue ever. i think that allowing clover to live with toriel would make flowey feel like he really has to accept that he can't just go back to the past and he's not ready to come to terms with anything that's happened yet

flowey always insists he doesn't care and he can't feel as a result of his trauma but it's so clear from his regret and fondness for people who are compassionate that compassion is something he always strives for. even though he doesn't understand and can't understand it's always something he wants to see in others. it hurts to be compassionate and to love others and it's why he blocks it out but at the end of the day he's the same person who sacrificed himself and his sibling to save who knows how many people both in the underground and surface, and the same person who let go of what he believed to be the only way he could stay "himself" for the sake of freeing monsters.

he's such a fascinating character... his mind and heart are at war with each other and i love how undertale yellow goes into this with the way they portray how he reacts to clover's death in the pacifist route. "maybe you've earned your rest" and calling them a friend after trying to act tough... he really respects when others are truly kind despite what some might consider common sense. i don't know where i'm going with this anymore but i hope u guys get it. just imagine i am gripping ur shoulders and pointing at flowey frantically

[capricioussun]

I've always imagined Frisk and Chara as seeing their respective Papyruses as older brothers of sorts, but UF Frisk kinda sees their Papyrus as a sort of uncle-mom/estranged older sibling.

Rus is like Frisk's fun older brother who is always excited to take them on all sorts of adventures, Stretch is like the annoying but cool older brother they go to seeking advice about things they're too scared to ask anyone else about, but Edge is doting and a total pushover for Frisk in a way that makes them feel really looked after, but also chaotic and young enough himself he is also still pretty fun, sort of like one of those 'raised by my significantly older sibling' bonds.

They're probably the closest out of the main three, and it's definitely the kind of relationship that's helped teach both of them a lot about what it means to love someone, and how taking care of yourself is actually a pretty important part of that too.

I feel there's more distance between Frisk and Rus because of how he tends to distance himself from others and struggling to let people really know him, and while Chara and Stretch are definitely close, there's a roadblock caused by reset issues neither can seem to fully overcome. Not to say Edge and Frisk don't have their own issues, but generally I feel like the Fell monsters wind up with slightly more straightforward relationships post-surfacing due to the nature of how things played out.

[bestutfanonpoll]

The forms have closed, which means it is time...

To meet the Contestants!

(which is happening this year for reasons)

Prunsel

Submissions: 2

Prunsel was born 27th of February 2021 from the dream of a Tumblr user then named tammycat, who now goes by @nyanoraptor . They dreamt they were playing Undertale, but when they reached Snowdin, Papyrus was replaced by an enormous, high contrast, photorealistic eyeball that looked directly at the viewer. This eyeball was, according to the dream, named Prunsel. Whenever Prunsel spoke, the music completely cut out and instead of text, a red glow would emanate from the text box. Since then, Prunsel has developed quite the fanbase for a character that came from a dream, and some even joke that it may be the brother Sans talks about in Deltarune.

Why it should win:

"Sans needs another sibling. For no reason except that having a giant hovering eyeball around would either greatly increase or decrease the quality of his life, and I think he would be willing to take that chance."

"All seeing eye"

Everyone is Neurodivergent

Submissions: 2 (indirectly)

Returning from the first season after being eliminated by Everyone is LGBTQIA+ in Round One (much sad). Many characters in Undertale (and secondarily, Deltarune) are headcanoned as being neurodivergent. Almost every character can be read as autistic (or anything else if you look hard enough, really), Frisk and Chara's fanon dynamic mimics DID (so I've heard, I do not have DID nor am I familiar with it, it's just what I've been told), and characters such as Alphys, Sans, Toriel, Kris and Flowey show signs of mental illnesses like depression or PTSD. Not to mention I'm pretty sure a lot of the fandom is neurodivergent themselves. Overall, headcanons like this are very common. (If I got something wrong or said something weird, please tell me so I can correct it, I'm not professionally diagnosed with anything and am mostly basing this off of what I've heard secondhand.)

Why it should win:

"I think it's cool and fits their character" (in reference to a submission of Kris being autistic)

Fanfiction

Returning from Season One after being eliminated by Fangames in Round One. Fanfiction is a pillar of every fandom and though there are, of course, the good, the bad and the ugly, fanfiction is one of my favourite things about this fandom and has even led me to some conclusions about myself (ask me for fanfiction recommendations I have some good ones!)

Cosplay

Returning from Season One after being eliminated by Headcanons in Round One. Cosplay is seriously underappreciated. Speaking as someone who's first ever cosplay was Undertale, that's hard work, and cosplayers turn out with some amazing stuff.

Shipping

Submissions: 3 (indirectly)

Ah, the best and worst part of any fandom, the shipping. Shipping is both beautiful and a warzone, romantic or horrifying. I personally am not a big shipper (I like Alphyne and don't have strong opinions on almost anything else) and hold the opinion of like what you like, and if I don't like it I can block people. Popular ships in the fandom include Alphyne (Alphys x Undyne), Papyton (Papyrus x Mettaton), Soriel (Sans x Toriel), Sansby (Sans x Grillby), Suselle (Susie x Noelle), Krusie (Kris x Susie), Kerdly (Kris x Berdly), Kralsei (Kris x Ralsei) and Queen x Rouxls (I don't know their ship name lmao). As you can see, many of them are gay.

Why it should win:

"Lancer parent silly" (In reference to a submission of Queen and Rouxls being T4T)

"I love it Very Very much. I think that the silly gamers should have Minecrap dates together and stick it to the player" (In reference to a submission of Kerdly)

Theories

Submissions: 1

With such a lore-heavy game in Undertale and an unfinished game like Deltarune, theories are rampant in the UTDR fandom. Ranging from iconic meme theories (Steven After Not Surviving, Sans is Ness) to more recent theorising on future Deltarune developments, it truly is the lifeblood of our fandom.

Why it should win:

"I am way too tired to type a full answer but they are so interesting and even the 'bad' ones are interesting. There are so many and it's entertaining to watch people piece together these things."

Papertrail

Submissions: 1

Papertrail is a Deltarune AU comic made before the release of Chapter 2 by lynxgriffin. It features original lore and most likely other amazing things I don't know about (I haven't read this one either).

Why it should win:

"It's a Deltarune fan comic that was started pre chapter 2 which is surprising, the creator expanded upon the little info we had and made their own interpretation of the story, having such emotional moments and amazing art. The ending to the comic was absolutely fantastic and I love it soooo much!!! I love the designs and ideas of the dark worlds, they're all so unique! Also all the different Ralsei-like creatures are each fun in their own ways and don't end up being the exact same characters, they also align with Undertale's soul colours! Also Lancer calls each Ralsei-like creature a different flavour of toothpaste and that's very funny. (Did I mention how well they handled Kris and their being controlled arc???)"

Animations

Submissions: 1 (indirectly)

Speaking as someone who's dabbled (made a three minute PMV once) in animation, it is really hard, which makes all the amazing animations this fandom creates all the more excellent. With creators such as Lupucs, who makes stunning Deltarune 3D animation, and long-running series like Inverted Fate (featured in season one), the creations of this fandom deserve all the love.

Why it should win:

"The animations take a lot of time and work, all the models being made by Lupucs themself. The shading and textures and smooth animation is also just so stunning, there's one animation where they have a giant crystal statue of Susie and it is so well made for just a 5 second clip, it's insane." (In reference to a submission of Lupucs)

The Other Puppet

The Other Puppet is an AU in which the secret bosses are swapped with the main characters- Spamton and Kris, Jevil and Susie and Seam and Noelle all swap, while Ralsei is replaced by a being known as Dinsoda. It also is intended to have an adult show tone, according to the creator.

Deltarune: Chapter Rewritten

Submissions: 1

Yet another AU I know next to nothing about. It was created by The Winterer, and is a role-swap AU that swaps Darkeners around.

Why it should win:

"Really cool AU with great music, recently got a fangame, definitely the best Deltarune fan content" (a note that this was submitted for season one)

Undertale Red

Submissions: 1

Undertale Red is a fangame created by Taxiderby, featuring an OC of theirs called Red.

Why it should win:

"It's a genuinely nice fangame with a good OC that isn't another AU Sans. It's well tought through with good looking sprites and I believe it deserves a place in the good things of the fandom." (a note that this was submitted for season one)

Deltarune: Neglected Oversight

Neglected Oversight is a Deltarune AU created by @boredgrace23. It's basically Deltarune on Hard Mode; it follows the plot of Deltarune but everyone who steps into a Dark World, including Darkeners who live there, forget who they were and become lifeless shells. Kris and Susie are the only ones who remember and it is their jobs to save everyone by closing the fountains.

And those are our contestants! Once again, may the best UTDR fanon thing win!

[andreabandrea]

i really love post-game headcanons where frisk refers to flowey, either jokingly or seriously, as their best friend. their dynamic is so interesting to me, like. flowey feels like anyone who sees him and knows his secret will only want to have asriel back, but frisk never knew asriel. on the other hand, they know flowey - and flowey is the only other one who knows what it's like to save and reset.

and that gives frisk a connection that they don't have with the rest of their friends and family. even though in the true pacifist ending, things are all fine and dandy now, there could very easily still be trauma of like - every monster trying to and succeeding in killing them (except papyrus, who just beats them near unconscious and throws them in a shed). and if they did any neutral routes, they might have killed also, and nobody knows about it or remembers it except them. even despite killing and being killed, just the trauma of resetting and being forgotten and starting over several times could weigh on a person - granted, frisk is a very determined person, but still.

i think the concept that frisk doesnt want to change flowey, but instead meet him where he is, would be intriguing to flowey - and in some circumstances, i could see that being enough to convince him to come to the surface - and this has always been more interesting to me than "saving asriel"-type endings. some things can't be taken back. trauma can't be erased - but you can still move forward with your loved ones by your side.

i think frisk and flowey would help each other heal. frisk initially tried to run away from the surface for a reason, and maybe not a good reason - asriel implies maybe they were trying to end their life by climbing a mountain nobody returns from. flowey has a whole load of trauma that i surely don't need to elaborate on - but i will anyway.

a lot of flowey mischaracterizations stem from the reader taking his words at face value. in new home in the no mercy run, flowey expresses that he's emotionless and nothing but a heartless killer. a lot of fics tend to write flowey as nothing but a perfect calculating killing machine because the readers believe him. but his actions tell a different story; flowey loses his patience with the whole "i'm here to teach you about love" act if you dodge his bullets three times - it's childish, in a way, because he is a child and he's mad that he's not winning at this game. flowey clearly expresses sadness, anger, and in the no mercy route just a bit after new home - fear. (the way i've written it in the past is that he's constantly disassociating from himself and the world by portraying his death and trauma as part of a game, and the way he deals with emotions is filtered through this ptsd-like view, but i dont want to act like i'm the best flowey writer in the world or anything, i've also made a lot of mistakes).

regardless, flowey is, at the end of the day, also a child like frisk. he wants to seem scary to them, and in the no mercy run, he's trying to sound cool and appeal to "chara" - that's why he acts the way he does. it's like a child trying to scare another child or act tough for a beloved sibling.

flowey has also done terrible things to frisk; they're not exempt from the list of monsters that tried to and succeeded in killing them. and although i think all the other monsters can and would be helpful and healing toward frisk and flowey, there's something valuable about a bond like - "we went through this together." if frisk can forgive someone like asgore who succeeded in killing 6 humans, killed them a handful of times, and also made them kill him, i think frisk can forgive flowey.

this comes down more to headcanon, but i think the way that frisk and flowey would interact in this post-game scenario is that, like. flowey would never admit weakness directly. he would feign disinterest in the surface and its denizens, but only because he's afraid. afraid that people wouldn't want him around. afraid because he doesn't know what happens next and if he deserves to see it. afraid of what he could do. but if he, soulless that he is, ever did try to do anything harmful, frisk is the one person who could easily stop him. (not that they would have to - flowey only killed out of boredom, not out of a real enjoyment of it; with so much to do on the surface, and no reset as a failsafe, i can't imagine flowey starting to kill again).

i think frisk would be able to read between the lines about when flowey is hurt and upset and try to comfort him without making him feel weak. we see frisk's kindness and mercy scare and upset flowey once (post-photoshop flowey fight), but those aren't normal circumstances - flowey hadn't grown as much then as he has by the end of the true pacifist route. i think, with time, flowey could come to accept he deserves to exist as he is and accept kindness, and show it in his own way

without the ability to reset (barring the true reset), anything that happens from now on is permanent. flowey in the game relies heavily on his knowledge of past resets; without that, he's forced to admit (albeit if only to himself) that he's not as smart and powerful as he likes to claim. it's a scary new world, and the future isn't written, but i think flowey would be willing to face it again with frisk - someone he always wished he had as a friend.

[rhyssands]

june 06 - close to me

prompt: tattoo rating: g wordcount: 908 characters: Frisk, Chara, Flowey warnings: none! prompt from this post, read it on ao3 here

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Frisk hums as they stare down at the design on the sketchbook page in front of them, tapping their pencil against the rings of the book. They squint, tilt their head, lift their hand to spin the sketchbook around and look at it from other angles.

They think they've finally got the design right.

"... C," They rasp, "whatcha think?"

There's the feeling of someone leaning over their shoulder. The phantom sensation of long hair tickling the side of their face, hair they know isn't theirs because their own hair is pulled into a low ponytail.

"It looks good," Chara says, resting their head atop theirs. That used to feel strange, Chara's incorporeal self intersecting with theirs. These days it's just something they're used to. Chara's always here, almost always touching them somehow. "Is this the one you want to go with?"

"Think so." They answer.

These days, nobody really questions them talking out loud to themself. Flowey gets it, of course. Mom and Dad are surprisingly chill about the fact their new kid talks to the dead ones like they're still around. Frisk thinks maybe they've figured out Chara is here, still.

It doesn't really matter.

At this point, Frisk is used to people thinking they're weird and possibly a little crazy. Talking out loud to Chara even when other people can't see or hear Chara's responses is just rote.

"Should show it to Azzy." Chara hums, "See what he thinks."

That's a good idea.

They nod, firmly, though they don't need to for Chara to know that they agree. Then they pluck up their sketchbook and head downstairs, where Flowey is soaking in the sun by one of Dad's enormous windows.

It's been years since they convinced him to come to the Surface. He's chilled out a lot over time. These days, he even lets Chara call him Asriel without bristling.

To Frisk, it seems like he's come around to not being a different person entirely — Asriel and Flowey are the same person, it's just that for a long time Flowey wasn't willing to admit it. He didn't want to be seen as the weak, crybaby prince anymore.

They shake the thoughts away and prod one of his petals with a fingertip. "Hey."

He peeks an eye open, squinting it at them, then visibly decides to give them his attention. He opens the other eye and turns his stem so he can face them. "What?"

They show him the sketch.

He blinks, then sort of smiles.

(He doesn't even try to hide the reaction. Little victories. Frisk hoards the moment away in a box in their head labeled 'times Flowey was too happy to bother being a jerk'. It's a little over-full these days.)

"Is this the one you want to go with?" He asks, echoing Chara without even knowing.

Not for the first time, Frisk considers if you can get twin sense if you're not related by blood and are, in fact, two separate species. They think you can. Chara and Flowey definitely developed it, at least.

They nod. "... Like it the best."

Flowey nods right back. "Good choice."

They smile, and he rolls his eyes but smiles back anyway.

"Knew he'd like it, the friggin' narcissist." Chara says, smug as a smug brat ever smugged. That seems to be their default setting these days. "So when's the appointment for the consultation?"

Right as they ask, Flowey says, "The consultation appointment's Tuesday, right?"

"Tuesday." They confirm, to both of their siblings.

Flowey nods again, and Chara hums happily.

"I hear tattoos hurt." Flowey says, after a moment, looking them up and down. "I know that doesn't really put you off of anything because you're a freak, but I'm surprised Chara's so on board with it."

"Tell him I said I'm not a wuss."

Frisk delivers the message, to which Flowey scoffs and rolls his eyes again. They don't bother commenting on the rest of what he said, because it's not like he's wrong. Pain is only pain, it's not like something hurting is the end of the world. Pain hasn't stopped them from doing pretty much anything since before they even fell into the Underground.

And, well, if the tattoo hurts too much then they'll know better for next time.

No biggie.

They pull the sketchbook back, looking down at the design they've decided on. They can't help smiling down at it — this one was their favorite for a lot of reasons, even in the early sketch stages, but they'll be honest...

A lot of the reason it's their favorite is because of the subject matter.

Asriel from the chest up, wearing his locket and a flower crown made of the same golden flowers Dad still tends so carefully, with a Save spark held in his cupped hands.

A few years ago, Flowey would have hated it.

It says a lot of good things that he isn't even just neutral about it now, he likes it.

They're thinking the next one they get will be of Chara, probably similar in composition to this one. One on each shoulder, maybe? Or on both sides of their chest, so their siblings are always close to their soul...

Well, they can figure that out later.

"I'm gonna go show Dad." They say.

Flowey snorts again, waving them off with a leaf, and goes back to sunning himself.

Frisk heads out into the back yard in search of their dad.

[jorisjurgen]

do all of them.........................................................................................................................................

OHOHO THANK YOU

the character everyone gets wrong

OH BOYYY DO I HAVE ONE.

Asriel Dreemurr/Flowey the Flower - I don't even know what to say, when I've said it again and again and again for the last 8 years

Here's one of my unhinged rants.

a compelling argument for why your fave would never top or bottom

joris jurgen is unfuckable. he is so aromantic he repels people. he tried dating once or twice and then was like ouuugh so this is like spending time avec ma famillie but worse and fucking boring. and then he gave up 3 days into the relationship. i think he went through a comphet phase as a teenage boy but he is so aromantic he was in misery trying to hold a girl's hand.

screenshot or description of the worst take you've seen on tumblr what was the last straw that made you finally block that annoying person?

if i speak up i go to jail. undertale fandom in general though...

worst discord server and why

i think all of them are bad. the worst ones i leave immediately, and the others i tolerate until i cannot anymore.

which ship fans are the most annoying?

I no longer do shipping (lying. not lying. lying) after becoming a crepinjurgenite platonic relationships connoisseur. But anyone who harasses people because of ships is annoying to me. Or anyone who demonizes female characters about it.

what character did you begin to hate not because of canon but because how how the fandom acts about them?

Chara undertale. I love them but I hate them.

common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about

Chara and Asriel are not siblings, and neither are Frisk and Asriel.

worst part of canon

the entirety of wakfu and everything else in that franchise that isn't THE HIT FRENCH CARTOON "Dofus : Aux Trésors de Kerubim", featuring the titular characters Kerubim Crepin and Joris Jurgen, which you can watch on Ankama Launcher, sometimes Youtube, Various Free Yet Dubiously Legal Streaming Sites, AND other sites!

worst part of fanon

undertale aus.

number of fandom-related words you've filtered

unspeakable.

the unpopular character that you actually like and why more people should like them

Flowey the Flower AKA Asriel Dreemurr if this is about characters that are actively hated by the fandom (I already spoke about him so this is self explanatory) and Atcham Crepin if this is about characters nobody cares about. My whole blog is an argument to stanning Atcham. don't you love binguses. don't you love batshit insane implications of abuse and bullying.

worst blorboficiation

replied to this one with an essay.

that one thing you see in fics all the time

n/a for the most part but ehh, I think it annoys me when kh fics about roxas and axel don't have xion in them, post kh3. she is their bestie and should be included. also fics that turn flowey into asriel and it makes everything better.

that one thing you see in fanart all the time

n/a. fanart is a gift from outer gods.

you can't understand why so many people like this thing (characterization, trope, headcanon, etc)

woobifying characters, villainizing characters, I don't know how people end up taking the opposite away from a character so often. it's not even the same character, by then.

I also don't really get oc/canon and selships, but it's not annoying, just something I literally don't get. But a lot of art with that is pretty, and I dig it, so I hope people have fun.

there should be more of this type of fic/art

flowey/asriel content about his mental health + joris jurgen fics about his mental health and family. I am on my way fellow Flowey Fan Club members, one of these days i WILL finish that one fic that's been sitting on my hard drive for like five years now.

it's absolutely criminal that the fandom has been sleeping on...

flowisk. flowey x frisk. I had been it's fan for 8 agonizing lonely years and all my mutuals have since deactivated. it's death out here.

my explaination of what i see in it, bc i don't know what to say that i hadn't yet said.

you're mad/ashamed/horrified you actually kind of like...

IF I SPEAK UP, I WILL GO TO WAKFU FANDOM JAIL.

But people who were in my twitter circles know.

part of canon you found tedious or boring

rewatching wakfu when i could have just rewatched THE HIT FRENCH CARTOON "Dofus : Aux Trésors de Kerubim", featuring the titular characters Kerubim Crepin and Joris Jurgen, which you can watch on Ankama Launcher, sometimes Youtube, Various Free Yet Dubiously Legal Streaming Sites, AND other sites! twice instead.

part of canon you think is overhyped

wakfu because it's not THE HIT FRENCH CARTOON "Dofus : Aux Trésors de Kerubim", featuring the titular characters Kerubim Crepin and Joris Jurgen, which you can watch on Ankama Launcher, sometimes Youtube, Various Free Yet Dubiously Legal Streaming Sites, AND other sites!

your favorite part of canon that everyone else ignores

THE HIT FRENCH CARTOON "Dofus : Aux Trésors de Kerubim", featuring the titular characters Kerubim Crepin and Joris Jurgen, which you can watch on Ankama Launcher, sometimes Youtube, Various Free Yet Dubiously Legal Streaming Sites, AND other sites!

ship you've unwillingly come around to

i have never come around to a ship before in my life. if i had then i promptly forgot about it.

topic that brings up the most rancid discourse

shipping morality discourses.

NEVER quit the grind! you will consume that fiction in such a god honoring way, that you'll go to heaven immediately. fiction is reality makes people commit murders, break vases in search of gold, and raid ancient temples. So we should forbid burn this shit asap.

common fandom complaint that you're sick of hearing

people asking others to draw or write more of their favorite characters, because the character a person likes is "overrated". This was a big thing in AHIT fandom, where I was, for once, lucky enough to be the fan of the most popular character, lol.

Even if I am a little bitter hater, I square up, and draw or write about my favorite characters myself. I don't think people in fandoms owe it to you to draw your favorite character or ship.

[gabrioblu]

breaks through wall

Y'ALL ARE STILL ARGUING ABOUT KRIS BEING NON-BINARY???

Now, I know there's no point in doing this because:

A. It's already a big argument and this likely won't do anything, and

B. There's no convincing some of you people.

HOWEVER: I feel the need to weigh in on this because that's what my brain is telling me to do right now, at this ungodly hour.

SO: I am going to go through all reasonable arguments I can find, and debunk them.

Ambiguity vs. Characterization

"They/Them is used when you don't know someone's gender."

While this is true, it also... isn't the only use? And why would Kris' friends not know their gender? That's generally something you'd want people to know.

"Frisk's gender was ambiguous in Undertale to allow the player to put themselves in their shoes. It's the same in Deltarune."

This one is... complicated. Frisk (and Chara's) gender is an entirely different and much larger can of worms that I don't want to get into here. Technically, Chara is your reflection, but again, moving on. While that may be true in Undertale, Deltarune is a very different game, and it is EXPLICITLY STATED... A LOT OF TIMES that Kris is not a self-insert. They are their own person. There are many times the game throws you off to, in a way, prevent you from putting yourself in their shoes. That is one of the main concepts of Deltarune.

"It's like Link not having a voice, so you can imagine whatever voice you want."

Now, I don't play LOZ, but again, Kris' gender isn't meant to be ambiguous. Also, here's proof from @suzyundertale on the Link voice thing, showing that that's not even true, either. sucks to suck huh

"Kris has a neutral name and design."

Maybe that isn't to be ambiguous but actually because they ARE NEUTRAL??

Why the other characters would know their pronouns

Like I said above, it seems like something you'd want people to know. But apparently that's not true??

"Ralsei wouldn't know Kris' pronouns, because he didn't even know their NAME when they first met."

And yet he learned Kris' name. (🤯) Same goes for gender. You don't continue knowing nothing about someone forever. That's just dumb.

"Susie wouldn't know either because she's been bullying Kris and they wouldn't want to tell either of them their gender."

I... what?

Okay, there's a lot to go through here, and it's all faulty logic. By the same logic as the last point, relationships between characters change. Susie and Kris are pretty good friends at this point, and it's implied that Kris looks up to Susie due to her rebellious nature. yknow cause Kris wants to get rid of our control

And on that second idea, it makes no sense for Kris to simply "not want to tel them their gender." Why? It makes no sense.

And what about Toriel, or Noelle? Why would Kris' mother use gender-neutral pronouns if Kris wasn't non-binary?

Kris is NOT a self-insert character

"Kris has no independent dialogue and doesn't emote."

Yeah, because they're being CONTROLLED THE WHOLE TIME

The whole point of the intro sequence is to hammer in the idea that Kris is separate from you. If you still genuinely think that Kris is meant to be a blank slate, you have NOT played the game (just like the goof who thought suselle was one sided lmao)

It's not a headcanon

In addition, I see a lot of people calling it a headcanon. No. You really can't just headcanon someone's gender. It's like thinking Mario is actually female. The term would be 'crappy, unfaithful AU'.

Assorted weird stuff

"Siblings of opposite genders usually don't share rooms"

I mean... maybe. But... your point? That's also a really weird thing to say, because, again why would that be the case?

"But- but the shampoo! It says 'for the boys'!!"

No. That is simply not how it works.

holy jalapeno wait until these people find out that i (a guy) wear female slippers they'll lose their flippin minds

Why gender matters

"You never get to choose a gender for your vessel. Why? It doesn't matter."

But y'know what does matter? The fact that the vessel is discarded and replaced with AN EXISTING PERSON WITH THEIR OWN TRAITS.

"Alphys doesn't say 'I'm bisexual'. But, she has crushes on Undyne and Asgore, making her canonically bisexual."

"But that is explicit, unlike the humans' genders."

<rant>

IT IS CALLED "SHOW, DON'T TELL" AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT CONCEPT FOR CHARACTERIZATION IN WRITING. JESUS FRUITCAKE CHRIST. As stated, Toby is very good at this. Which is why, at the beginning of Undertale, we didn't need to have:

"Hi, my name is Toriel, and I'm female, and cisgender, and I like snails and snail pie, and I want to be a teacher, " ET CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERA. It's bulky, and boring, and unnecessary. Instead, sprinkle in characterization through inference and details. Not everything has to be stated. Far from it.

</rant>

Conclusion

Alright. This post has taken well over two hours, but I now have to summarize all of that.

To put it simply, it's asinine to assume that everybody is referring to Kris using gender-neutral pronouns because they don't know their real gender, especially Toriel. She would refer to Kris by their birth gender UNLESS EXPRESSLY ASKED TO BY KRIS THEMSELVES. She would have no other reason to do so.

Toby doesn't have to explicitly state that Kris is non-binary. Did he ever explicitly state that Papyrus is male? No, but he has Sans refer to him as his brother, and with male pronouns.

aw crap i need a good closing sentence uh uhhh

So why is Kris such a special case? Maybe take time to reflect on that.

[deltaruminations]

undecided if i'll do a full writeup about this with Actual Evidence And Stuff eventually, but i feel pretty strongly that Kris is better understood as the Deltarune equivalent of the First Fallen Human (FFH)/Chara Undertale than as equivalent to Frisk or some combination of the two. partly because it just makes the most immediate sense (they're Asriel's adopted human sibling with emotional problems. come on) but also because like... if this is a universe where Asriel gets to be alive and experience growing up, isn't it only fair that the FFH/Chara gets that chance too?

like, DR is this alternate universe where we get to see every (well, sort of, more on that later) Major Character from Undertale in a new context. based on what we've seen, we know that they're all fundamentally based on the same "model" in Deltarune as they were in Undertale -- the context of their lives, and the options available to them, are just different here.¹

NarraChara Theory (NCT) aside,² the FFH was the one Major(!!!!) Character in Undertale who didn't really get a chance to tell their own story (or at least do so in an explicit way). players who don't finish No Mercy will never even "meet" them directly; to most players, Chara is little more than someone else's experiences and memories.

with that in mind, i feel like creating a very obviously Chara-shaped hole in the fabric of Deltarune's universe, one that correlates pretty closely to a life they didn't get to live in Undertale, and filling it with the "model" of Frisk instead just kind of... erases Chara, I guess? and having Kris be a combo of the two diminishes Chara & Frisk and undermines the whole deal of them being separate people.

not that it's unthinkable that this choice could have been made, but to me it doesn't really feel like a meaningful choice. i have a hard time imagining what that choice would be saying beyond something kind of vaguely cynical, and that doesn't really feel consistent for how these stories have been written thus far. Frisk already has their story in Undertale, we already love Frisk, and we already gave them the best outcome we could. it feels pointlessly cruel, to me, to force them into the role of this honestly pretty troubled teen, with a difficult healing journey ahead of them, when there's clearly another character in the repertoire who better matches this role and would benefit from this kind of journey more than anyone else.

anyway i don't necessarily think Deltarune/Toby is ever going to explicitly state Oh By The Way This Kid Is Actually Who Chara Undertale Would Be In This Context, and clearly Kris as a character and Deltarune more broadly are intended to explore a whole, whole lot more ideas than just Hows Stuff Relate To That Other Game. but I do think some of Toby's choices for Kris might be in conversation with his choices for the FFH in Undertale and how those choices impact how we end up feeling about them.

in Undertale, Chara has a voice, but depending on how you feel about NCT, that voice is either mostly limited to the darkest possible manifestation of their character, or it's so subtle that it's commonly overlooked or even disregarded except when they're at their worst. Kris's lack of an explicit "voice" (so far) and complicated relationship with player control begs us to read between the lines about who they are and how our influence affects them in a way that's much harder to ignore. after all, we have well-accepted precedent for understanding a "vessel" whose voice we can't hear.

i also think this is partly why Kris's name and sprite call to mind Frisk's.³ it's not to suggest that they are literally equivalents of one another; it's to get us in the mindset of treating them in the same way as we treat Frisk, to pay attention to the ways in which they do and don't exercise their agency and consider what it means about them.

if we can come to forgive or at least understand Flowey/God of Hyperdeath Asriel after learning who he was and how his situation shaped him, how would seeing Chara from a different angle affect how we think about them? would we reconsider how much our influence affects what we see of them?

i think this might be partly why Asriel isn't really present so far in Deltarune. IMO, having him be at college isn't just Toby Epic Trolling The Fans Because He's A Mercurial Trickster God. i think it's Toby saying, "hey, there was someone you didn't get a chance to make friends with before. maybe you should spend a little time with them instead." and that's a choice that does feel meaningful to me, you know?

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¹ freaking universe-hopping skelebros sort of aside, if we assume they're From Deltarune, but we could still argue that changing contexts will probably impact their personalities across DR & UT, just in a way that involves continuity of their same characters instead of separate instances I GUESS LOL???? also yeah, take any thoughts you may be having about about Doctor Mister Gaster "The Blaster" and set them somewhere that is not here for a little while because this post isn't about him OK!!!!!!

² I personally like to think NarraChara Real and may have been intended to stand in as their "voice," but even if it WAS intentional, the fact that Chara As Diegetic Narrator 1) has many skeptics (including me, originally) and can be (and often is) disputed with pretty reasonable arguments and also 2) isn't picked up on by most players in the first place (again, including me) means it's too subtle on its own to outweigh the popular fanon opinion that chara has always been an Evil Demon Murder Baby and not just like. a troubled but fundamentally well-meaning kid who just needed some direction after making the worst mistake of their entire life. and i have to imagine Toby would have thoughts he might like to explore about that also fwiw i don't actually think NarraChara has to be "real" for there to still be room for more nuanced/compassionate readings of Chara just based on the explicit info we have about them lol. and also, it's entirely possible that chara is meant to be viewed unsympathetically in UT, and DR is meant to play on that. I Don't Know OK!!!!!!

³ this is aside from the fact that I'm not convinced the No Mercy Chara sprite is really supposed to be taken as like, the literal canon representation of how they looked when alive, just like how "Chara" probably isn't meant to be understood as their literal true name in-universe (it's their True Name in a metanarrative sense -- like, if you know to input this name, then it's because you know enough about this game to know that the name you're putting in represents neither the body you control nor you, the player; as well as that "Chara" is the placeholder name this character would have had in development -- i.e., before any players had "called their name"). if i had to guess, i'd say Toby probably made No Mercy Chara look like that as a way to make it as clear as possible that the person talking to us isn't Frisk. (i wanna point out the unused Waterfall reflection sprite here -- this could be seen as an easter egg showing that Kris and Frisk were meant to be equivalent, yeah, but contextually I think it makes just as much (if not more) sense for it to just be seen as a scrapped indicator that chara was hitching a ride. in that case, this may have been the design we were originally meant to see at the end of No Mercy. what im trying to say here is toby is human and making choices based on what he thinks are the best options at the time and it's reasonable to think he might just change his mind about things like what an undead child looks like as the options change lol)

[petra-creat0r]

AAAAGHOEHAKBVETIAHEUHAUUETYVAEH1!!!

Love it! Also yeah, guess it would get long when dealing with 5 kids and 7 ish secret bosses, so I don't blame you.

More rambling under the cut because I love talking about funky lil guys.

I already had a feeling that Naomi and Woostern would hit it off. I mean, when I first saw Woostern I immediately wanted to draw her with Naomi. Fish kid likes cowboys, they would besties with Woostern. Meanwhile Bitsy is watching both the kids and trying to make sure neither of them get hurt. (Naomi put down the gun!)

As for CK pranking people? No one can stop him from pulling pranks! He's the mighty King of Comics! He has an insane jester who can do anything by his side! Though, since Woostern asked nicely, he'll leave her alone. As for Bonslick? Bone guy might not like really any of the kids, but I can see CK wanting to hang around him. Bonslick reminds Ceeks of his Uncle Papyrus (probably just the vibes), and the kid finds him super duper cool! The rad sunglasses, the cool skateboard, the aloof/annoyed attitude towards him, CK would lowkey admire Bonslick. As well he might mistake annoyance for secretly liking his jokes and pranks (that or CK is just a tad oblivious as to when people aren't liking his jokes. Hanging out with Jevil likely is not helping that.) Also I find it ironic/funny that CK would like Bonslick but Bonslick wouldn't like him considering how dog like CK acts. (He's just a puppy who finds the bone man cool)

Most of the kids wouldn't actually be put off by Left-E's appearance. Particularly CK, Naomi, and Britni. CK and Naomi gamers who would would point and go "OMG FNAF REAL!?!?" or something cringe like that before causing havoc, and Britni would be fascinated as a girl who likes things others tend to find creepy. Left-E's not creepy! He's "neat" and "retro" and "possibly possessed but honestly that's sick too" according to Britni. Wilbur and Chicago on the other hand? Wilbur's likely unsettled and politely trying to keep his distance, while Chicago I can see one of two ways. Either he's not all that off put since his dad and sibling are possessed robots, and his sibling loves working with robotics (especially older animatronics), or that background makes him more unsettled. He might be unsettled either way if Left-E is hovering over him a lot.

Wilbur would LOVE to learn how to cook from Sonatta! He's always wanted to know how to bake properly but he lives with his Pops and uncle who... aren't that great at baking. Both are amazing gardeners and make amazing tea though! The only real person Wilbs knows who can teach him is his Ms. Noelle (who he kinda sees like an aunt), who has her own family and life. Additionally, I can see Wilbur dancing with Ms. Sonatta, as he knows how to tap dance and waltz. As a very empathetic kid (I mean, I feel all these kids have to since they've made it their mission to help the secret bosses), he'd be able to sympathize with Ms. Sonatta and would make a great listener if she wanted to talk about it? (Same is true for most the kids. Wilbur and Chicago especially, I mean they've been dealing with it with their secret boss buddies, so? All these kids effing hate the mystery man.)

I can't see any of the JSS hating Quiddo. They'd all just be down to have fun with the lil guy too! Even if Britni or Chicago might start to question some things. ("Why is this one an SB?" "How'd the mystery man affect them?" "Is it a denial situation like Jevil?" "They taste like echo flowers and egg." "Britni, did you lick them?") That would be until Quiller comes out. I think that'd be such an interesting situation since these kids are all aware of Frisk and Chara (I mean, they're CK's older siblings) and vaguely what happened Underground before they were born, and I didn't mention it earlier but, Chicago is currently in possession of The Soul. The Red Soul. The Soul we control as the Player. Chicago is the new vessel and he hates it. (He doesn't want to be anyone's puppet!) Even if Quiller is indifferent to the JSS kids, I still find it interesting to think about.

Finally Shikari. CK and Naomi would want to hang out with her, even if she wants to be left alone, and both of them would be lowkey jealous if Chicago gets attention from her. Shikari's cool and edgy! Naomi would especially be interested in her katana ("She's like the cool samurai from the shows my siblings like!") Chicago though would be a little surprised that she's taken an interest in him. He probably also thought she'd be more interested in CK and Naomi, but HIM? He doesn't think of himself as strong or capable. He's just a kid who feels behind his peers. Or a puppet unable to break his strings. Forced to be controlled by beings from the beyond whenever the narrative demands it. Plagued by visions of the mysterious man who hurt his friend and is trying to cause the apocalypse and -- Despite his confusion, I feel he'd appreciate Shikari's assurance and desire for him to get stronger. Chicago's the type of kid who's very self sacrificing. He's so determined to help others, he so often forgets to help himself.

So, I already know how your bosses would react to mine, but now I'm curious how they'd react to the JSS aka the Junior Secret ($@#!) Squad. It's a little more complicated but basically they're a group of Lightner kids who befriend the secret bosses of my AU and have been helping them recover and stuff post Deltarune. (And some how get mixed up in all the mystery man darkness bs themselves. Kinda an unfortunate trade off there.)

Since I've only posted Chicago and CK's refs, here's a brief over view of each of the kiddos.

Ooh this one is interesting !! I'm gonna try to keep it short cuz there are quite some people here.

First off, Woostern. And IMMEADIATLY it was obvious to me the fact that Naomi and Woostern would be best friends. I don't even have to tell you WHY they would be friends, just accept it. As for everyone else, they all seem like really nice kids too! Though don't pull pranks on the sheriff, CK, pretty please.

Bonslick ! Ugh, kids. He wishes they'd all stop bothering him, sspecially that CK kid, pulling pranks on him.

Left-E !! Left-E is happ-e, he's on his element; entertaining kids without realizing he might accidentally scare them. Something tells me he'd get along with Chicago, no reason in specific, its just a feeling.

Sonatta. Well, she loves kids in general, they are all adorable and the hopes and dreams of the future. Something tells me she'd get along really well with Wilbur specifically, she might be able to teach him how to cook! She had a lot of time to learn how to do stuff when she was trapped in a prison underwater for years after all, ha ha...! ... Uh...

Quiddo !! JESUS the interactions would be priceless, Quiddo is willing to do anything as long they have fun doing it, ithis kid is SO hyperactive they all might have to take care of them and be sure they don't get into trouble. Quiller really has no opinion on the matter. They all seem like good hearted kids... But will that be enough to help out such darkened souls like those individuals? Whether they succedd or not, once again, doesn't matter to it. In this case in particular wouldn't be fun to see the resul though, just more of the same.

And lastly, Shikari. As expected she mostly likes being left alone, obviously, but... I don't think she would mind the presence of some of this kids. Chicago, specifically. Despite how much she wants to make it seem that she doesn't care at all, she hates seeing totally capable and strong people just doubt themselves so much. That is NOT how she became the strongest darkner in the world, after all. Plus she also likes to see people invent stuff. Both things remind her of some people she used to know.

[invertedfate]

Is it possible that Frisk's tramua with Asriel will affect their relationship with Asgore (and possibly Toriel in the future)? I don't think Frisk would ever hate their former goat dad, but having people in your life that LOOK like the person who hurt you so much is bound to strike a PTSD chord.

Well, it's certainly another good reason Frisk isn't being adopted into the Dreemurr fam. Frisk knows Asgore isn't Asriel, and I don't think they'll like Asgore any less. He's a really nice and cool guy they wanna get to know better. But they would never want to have Flowey as a sibling now. Frisk isn't gonna suddenly hate all boss monsters, but I can still see there being a lot of complicated feelings simply because that is Asgore's son. Frisk isn't gonna tell Asgore he can't love his own kid, but I think it'd still be frustrating for them. Like with Chara, what'll help is that Chara 100% is aware of how deeply Frisk is hurting, is there as this is going on, and would never, ever ask Frisk to forgive Flowey. But I'm not sure about Asgore in that I think parental bias might come into play? I'll have to muse on it some more.

[whathappenedtodecember]

some of my chara headcanons........need to post this i've held these in my head for so long and for god knows what reason

- i like to hc that chara is the older sibling or at least same-age as asriel.....partly because the true lab's tapes' "i'd never doubt you!" and chara calling azzy a crybaby all feel like big sib ribbing to me. at the very least the way asriel admired them and kinda, like, put them on a pedestal felt like he couldn't be older than them, as opposed to kris and asriel's dynamic where asriel the big bro used the knockoff controller and took kris to get hot choco to maintain normalcy after the divorce and carried kris to school. and this is doubly interesting to me in the "everything is the same but slightly to the left" universe that deltarune is..........in DR azzy is the older sib so in UT chara is the older sib. it's just neat

- in the same vein as people connecting kris and chara's love for chocolate and knives, red eyes etc.....i like to use this to reverse engineer chara headcanons actually lsdjfsjdfh. so i hc that chara can play the piano. and azzy can sing, ofc. "his theme" is a song chara wrote for asriel a few months into their stay in the underground and the two took to singing it at any given moment, it kinda became their theme song in an endearing way.... so that's why the music box in waterfall only has the barebone melodies of the piece. those are the only parts asgore remembers from a decades-old song

more under the cut so i don't clog people's dashboards

- chara is not a native english speaker to me..........it's true that a lot of their taller vocabs are stuffs they adapted from mimicking toriel but we know they also read a Lot. i think chara primarily learned english from reading books instead of talking to people. you know how sometimes esl/efl speakers sound so formal or stiff, like theyre repeating what they see in textbooks? thats how i imagine chara talks, partly because they died young and havent finished learning english yet and partly because they just think being verbose is cool. i know a lot of efl kids think speaking english like you've swallowed an entire thesaurus is impressive. so that's how chara is to me, an esl/efl speaking kid who disliked talking to other humans and whose first actually meaningful english immersion was in the underground

- so we know toriel can cease to hit you once you've reached 2 HP, but unlike papyrus she's rusty because she hasn't had to take care of a human child for a long time before frisk fell, so she can still accidentally kill you.............i like to think this is a control she's learned to perfect when adopting chara (even though technically there wouldn't be a reason for her to fight chara, which isn't the case for the other fallen humans between frisk and chara, who she probably would have to fight so that asgore wouldn't get to them). i like to imagine she was the one who taught them the basics of monster fights and bullet patterns, and in turn she learned to be careful with them because lbr 20 HP is considerably low when compared to monsters' average HP

> in line with this headcanon and the 'chara is the older sibling' headcanon..........i like to think the 0.1 0.01 0.001 HP and so forth was partly chara's doing. this happens after the sequence where chara's memory of their childhood with asriel plays out so i can be sure that at this point chara was more 'in charge' than frisk was. plus if frisk could actually manage their HP this way they would've done it way earlier or in other fights but this only seems to happen in the fights with asriel (i have a feeling this is what happens in the photoshop flowey fight too, since it takes quite a while before you can die even when your HP bar is extremely low).

so anyway i think this was more something both chara and asriel did from muscle memory - i like to think that while toriel was more careful with chara, asriel was more.......headstrong, both because he was a child and because of his, like, general disposition. asriel always tried to be careful obv he wanted to avoid killing his sibling during playfights, but i think chara would have helped him with this by managing their HP somehow........so there'd be moments in their childhood where asriel would be panicking like 'oh no oh no i hurt chara what am i gonna do ;A;' chara would be forcing themself to stand up and give asriel thumbs up like 'hey! hey! i'm fine!! look at me i'm okay you crybaby it's going to take more than that to knock me out!!' man........theyre siblings your honour..........

- i know the timeframe doesn't match since chara and everyone who appears in game are very obviously not contemporary with each other, but it's nice to think about what it'd be like if chara grew up with the monsters we see in game......they're a weeb we know this so they'll probably go dumpster diving with alphys in search for anime. other than this activity their entire interaction with alphys is in the form of fandom wank and anime discourse. they'll really like undyne because they have so many bonding activities they can do with her........playing piano, drinking tea, geeking over knives and spears, declaring hatred over humanity

i also feel like a chara and sans friendship would be super funny in that whoever taught sans to lace his attacks with karma poisons probably could also be persuaded to teach chara the same trick to compensate for their low HP, but all chara could think about was that they now had to fight an irresistible urge to lick their knife. sans can't say he disagrees

[mrfandomgage]

Chara, lying down: I was more like a disappointing pet to my dad. He wasn't afraid to beat me down or cut me up with beer bottle glasses. I got away from all that, was a poor influence on Asriel. A lot of what happened to me was because mom died at birth.

Chara, thinking: Then, everything got worse. Met my wife in the worst way possible. That was-

Gage: around the second reset, Frisk was being tormented by Flowey, and their own depressive outbursts made them kill

Chara: ... I don't like how you know that, but yes. I think things really only got better around Middle to Highschool. Though, I do have a great family to thank for that. What about you?

Gage: I am... just a metaphor for a writer and creativity.

Chara: you do have your own story though. What's with the glowing cloak you got? Why does water not caress your hippie face?

Gage, thinking: ok. When I was around 16, my mom died. My siblings left house with little contact, and it was my dad, me, and my little sibling. Course, some of my own history is a representation of my creator's history through different lenses because-

Chara: Backstory, not explaining the backstory

Gage: Right. Well, I had fights with my dad. Not all that pleasant. It caused me to be stressed at night and filled with paranoia in my own bed. So I took night walks. One night, I took a longer walk than usual. I'm walking back home and I notice something unusual

Chara: what was it?

Gage: ... I have no idea. I just woke up and felt like energy was pumping through my body. Enough energy that I accidentally started a fire by flicking it onto my books and put it own with a flood on accident.

Chara: so, you just woke up with powers?

Gage: it wasn't just powers, it was an infinite expanse of energy. Once I realized that, I tried forcing it to make me remember but then I passed out from the agonizing headache I just gave myself. I can force myself to remember other things, but this? Nope.

Chara: that's dumb. Sounds like you just didn't know what to write for it.

Gage: to be honest, I had several ideas. An eldritch god that I couldn't comprehend but seeing it alone gave me power. A magical fairy well I accidentally drowned in, and was transported home entrenched in power. Dave from accounting. Maybe it was the amount of options alone or a truly infinite collide of options, and that's why I can't remember

Chara: still sounds kinda dumb. So you just got better at controlling the energy

Gage: I did dumb shit with it. Rewritten history so my last name is Fandom, made a cloak with a universe in it, made a bunch of timelines for no one to see

Chara: so I guess you made me? God is real, but I'm not gonna pray to you

Gage: well, I made this separate version of you. In a canon sense, the original timeline abruptly ends.

Chara: Original?

Gage: well, there are certain facts in the game that indicate that the original timeline and most true ending to the game is the one where... everyone dies and the world is permanently lost

Chara: ... those unlucky bastards. Well, I guess that's just another version of me that didn't have time to learn

Gage: most people assume the worlds run off code

Chara: well, you said game. Does my world run off code?

Gage: I think it's more a script

Chara: ... huh, that explains that...

Chara: hey, what other universes are there?

Gage: oh, there are as many as you can imagine

Chara: really?

Gage: actually, properly speaking there is so much that even if you perceive chances to be lower than 1% everything is an absolute guaranteed value with not only that this timeline replicated more than trillions of times, but it's replicated by every atom in existence and by every point in time in existence to a point where it's truly an infinite circumstance to have this one universe existing again and again with the same exact events and same exact people.

Chara: ... what?

Gage: there is more than anyone can properly comprehend. Even myself.

Chara: you just rambled there, so I didn't really get it

Chara: also, Frisk sent me this photo of her making dinner with Chris

Gage: why are they lit with an orange light?

Chara: the fridge is probably on fire again

[spotaus]

Hehehe!! You have no idea how hard I was struggling to get the proportions right to make Night tinier in his younger shape. I like to think he ages, but he never really hits a growthspurt that makes him that tall again. (But I love making Error obnoxiously tall sooooo) and yeah, he tries it for a while! Honestly by the time the story is over he's a lot more willing to show his face and age (especially after Knighting Dream and getting Reaper to treaty with him) but people who *had* seen him are always flabbergasted. (I also think that as Boss Monsters nm and Dream take forever to grow up, so it might've been several generations since the ceremony/ritual which is why rumors are so bad and Dream's story so twisted? That might not be tho because it makes the tineline a bit more wonky... we'll see lmao-)

Yes! The clothes being simple *are* so the tendrils don't catch! I think Night would easily be overwhelmed if his tendrils got tangled in the fancy mesh or too much fabric, do he worked around it! (The clothes also probably have patterns on them-)

The killer thing *may* change (I do like the idea of a Short Killer but sometimes my brain and my Art Ghost (<- what I call my inspiration/motivation) do not agree, abd there's a good chance of Dust ending up shorter, haha!) But he just gives off feral cat vibes and I can't just resist the urge to make him obnoxiously short compared to his boss.

And!! Yeah!!! Dream was never told if he coukd share prophecy magic, but it seems like smth someone could do... and yeag Killer was a strategic choice on Night's end as well as a Coolness factor because he didn't have a bone in his body to punish others. Killer? Well- well he had to get that name from somewhere 🙏

Cross my beloved 🙏🙏🙏 Honestly Nightmare probably reminds him of Frisk and Chara (I do think he'd have had siblings here still!) But his relationship with them was limited due to his training, and so he has this deep care for Night and only knows how to express it through servitude (for now- the others kinda ease him out of the habits. Though the first time Night hugs him or asks for support? Yeah, no going back, that's his new little bro.)

Woah what? I'm drawing? I'm sketching? I was... I was just staring at my photo assignment. Huh?

Oh well, I needed to draw Nightmare in his full glory anyways- (for a king he dresses very simply. The fabric is just the highest quality you've ever felt-)

*cough* @ancha-aus *cough*

[quantumfeat72]

hello again! SecretSanta here! I looked through your blogs and comics and they are so cool!! your art is really good too! now about your RobotChara and Frisk.. How is their relationship with eachother (not romantically ofc) ? How does Frisk interact with the others? How are the two towards Kris? (sorry for a lot of questions, i want to properly get them to inertact each other without them being out of character)

and what are the odds, i have also an idea for RobotChara haha

ah thank you!! these are really open-ended questions so i'm gonna infodump a bit under the cut

the shortest way to describe chara & frisk's relationship in the robotchara au is "siblings" since they live together, share parents, etc, but they've only known each-other for a bit under three years, so they don't have the like,, sibling-language you get with people who grew up together. that said they are VERY close for people who met that recently

they're both really protective of the other but in kind of different ways. chara is very overtly protective - physically getting in between frisk and any perceived threats, yelling at people on their behalf, etc. frisk on the other hand kinda... sees their own feelings as a potential threat to chara's well-being, so they're pretty emotionally closed off from chara and try to shoulder everything on their own

that said frisk is pretty emotionally closed off from everyone - they've ended up confiding in chara more than anyone else, but only because chara is very insistent on getting frisk to admit something's wrong when they need to

um on that note with the others frisk is generally... quiet? like, even with their closest friends they're not super quick to talk (especially about themself), so they know the others a lot better than anyone else knows them. they don't joke much on their own, but they like being the straight-person to others' antics

(kris doesn't exist in the robotchara universe)

oh also like,, chara Does Not trust themself with important decisions and will almost always look to frisk for what to do when they're unsure, and if frisk tells them to do something they almost never object. kinda the only time chara will loudly disagree with frisk is when frisk is blatantly disregarding their own health and well being (which is. often). but in situations where they don't have to worry about themself, frisk is a very reliable person and handles those important decisions really well. that's part of why they can handle being the ambassador - they're good under pressure

i've put some thought into how they fight together too which kinda ties into that last point - robot body aside, frisk is the sturdier of the two while chara knows what they're doing in a way frisk doesn't. frisk hasn't gotten chara to help them fight much in this timeline (for... plot reasons) and is really good at avoiding conflicts and dodging attacks, but if a situation calls for actually dealing damage, that part is basically always up to chara. battles are actually one of the few times chara will put aside their protectiveness of frisk, because once frisk is taking things seriously the best chara can do to help is generally to go along with their plans

and that's kind of long and unwieldy but i dont have a fully functional word-brain rn so. let me know if any of it doesn't make sense or u have other questions and ty for giving me an excuse to ramble haha

[jorisjurgen]

For the Ask Game, Asriel/Flowey perhaps?

First of all thank you for being my #1 supporter in "going insane over him" hobby for the past couple of years, Saffron. This post will certainly contain NOTHING that you hadn't heard me say about him 10 times before in your dms. probably.

[ask game]

1. I literary don't even know where to begin. He has 97 mental illnesses, he's a tsundere, he has 20-30 music tracks associated with him, he's an edgy 12 year old, he remembers what you did in other timeloops and has a lot of dialogue about that, he a lot of different designs and all of them are good. All of it is really good. Though probably my most favorite part IS the sheer tragedy that his life is, and how in the end he gets a happy ending.

2. How underrated he is 💔

3. Of all banger lines that he has, this dialogue straight up Haunts me: "I thought of all people, SHE could make me feel whole again. ...She failed. Ha ha... I realized those two were useless. I became despondent. I just wanted to love someone. I just wanted to care about someone. Chara, you might not believe this... But I decided... It wasn't worth living anymore. Not in a world without love. Not in a world without you. So... I decided to follow in your footsteps. I would erase myself from existence. And you know what? I succeeded."

4. Him and literary everyone. I want him to have a big support system and a lot of friends, and obviously for him to have a good relationship with his parents. But I especially like to see him being friends with Sans and Papyrus. Papyrus is an obvious pick, as for Sans, it's because in geno-route he says that what he thought "the anomaly" (who is almost certainly Flowey, though at that moment he is convinced it's player) really needed is a support system, friends, and care. Also it's funny when Sans is friendly with him and Flowey is PISSED because of that.

5. Past Him and Chara, and then Him and Frisk post-game.

6. I don't know any other pairings with him dfgjsdfg.

7. Some of this is kind of crack, and almost all of this is post-canon lol. Frisk introduces him to vocaloid music and he loves it. I think he'd like beyond-dark music about trauma and death, and vocaloid has a lot of that. Also he seems like the kind of person who unironically listens to nightcore. I think Toriel, not yet knowing that he is her son and that he has 97 mental illnesses, would enroll him into public school the second she learns he is a kid (which, let's be real, will be like a day or two after Frisk brings him outside simply because she can like... Hear him say words, and connect the dots.). He then would definitely cause something simply dubbed as "the knife incident" and be homeschooled then on. He's a good student on good mental heath days, but definitely much worse than his deltarune counterpart. I also think Toriel would be would be a lot more protective and a lot less strict with him than before he died, because she is badly afraid of losing him again. He definitely spends a lot of time with Asgore! Dreemurr Coparenting Real. I don't think his childhood was entirely happy even before death, and before Chara. Neither Asgore or Toriel are perfect, and I could picture him being quite a bit lonely, sheltered, and having a lot of expectations on him from Toriel. He has neon rainbow darkness dementia ravenway type ocs.

8. Chara and him weren't siblings and Chara was abusive to him, and that's not even an opinion this is literary canon. Also he has PTSD and depression and just thinks his emotional issues are the result of being soulless because he literary doesn't know anything! He's some 12 year old guy!! It's far more likely that he is a very unreliable narrator on his own condition because he isn't an expert on souls and maybe doesn't know what a "mental health" is.

9. I have a 3 hour long playlist about him, but my ESSENTIAL Asriel song is "Scrumize" by Maretu.

10. This cut goof toby posted a couple of years ago.