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CW: Undertale rant/analysis
Ive played Undertale- hundreds of times. and lately ive reflected on how the game is supposed to make you feel IN THE MOMENT- since ive kinda forgotten a lot of that. Because of the aforementioned ✨“hundreds of times”✨
Everything ofc still feels just as captivating, but nothings surprising because im not playing it from the perspective of someone who has absolutely no idea whats going to happen next. Sometimes I overlook and forget how the little details are supposed to make you feel/think about the characters. Like how Undyne is implied to be an abusive boss. After you get to know her, then replay, you hear how Papyrus talks about her at first, and see their interaction as you enter Waterfall, and you completely understand!
But BEFORE- youre like “oooohhh she’s threatening him-“
On this topic, I rewatched some playthroughs, and saw their first reactions to geno papyrus death, and I realized. that this room placement. IS SO COOL!!!!
Normally its like- yep! I just befriended/beat papyrus, time to continue on my way- oo hi sans! sure, ill go to Grillbys with you! Even on replays, you’re not really excepting him in any room hes in, im just like “oh yep, theres the man.”
But when you kill Papyrus for the first time, usually on a geno route. That same thing kicks in. You’re not predicting him to be there cause youre focused on the room youre in currently, but when you GET THERE youre like “oh yeah and thats where Sans is” but he’s NOT THERE and you stop for a millisecond and go “oh, no yeah, that makes sense.”
…the silence doesn’t help either.
Its worse that he’s all over the underground too, not just in the start of Waterfall. Even not seeing him in front of the mtt resort is just a slap in the face 😭
If youve gotten to the phase of killing people on purpose to see what will happen, youve also gotten to the phase of KNOWING theres gonna be consequences, so Sans not being there shoudnt hit as hard as it does BUT IT DOES (at least for me)
The typical reactions to Monster death in general that you cant avoid are Undyne and Sans’ speeches, and neutral run phonecalls. DIALOGUE. things that appear because of what you did. But with Sans its not what he does or says (up until the judgment hall) its what he doesn’t do.
He doesn’t bother to show up, to say anything to you because what is there to say??? Ignoring how personal it is for a sec- Sans knows this isnt your first time playing, but doesn’t comment on it (much). Right now he still believes the anomaly just wants to be happy, so gives the benefit of the doubt.
That is until you kill the dude that is impossible to kill on accident, or argue in self defense.
Now Sans knows the anomaly just wants to know what will happen. Doesn’t care if its bad or not, they’re just curious, so theres no point.
STILL he wants them to reset and do something ELSE so he halfway pleads with them in the judgment hall to rethink what they’ve done. The fact that he asks an answerable question feels important to me, like hes searching for something, ANY reason. But maybe hes trying to make you see that- there was no reason. Youre DUMB and you should RESET because- WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THIS????
What I also find really powerful even on replays, is the silence after he drops lines like this. Especially the judgment hall question. Sometimes I do sit there and soak in the silence like- “jesus. Yeah, why DID i do that?”
My main point of this entire thing is, I LOVE this game, I LOVE Papyrus and his impact on the game even when he isnt there, and I wish I could play it for the first time again, and fall in love with it all over again, but alas, hitting myself with a rock to screw up my memory only works 17% of the time,
so im happy enough sticking with changing my perspective, and taking a moment to remember what it felt like to accidentally kill toriel and realize your actions have consequences, to beat Undyne the Undying, to hug Asriel, to hear that Undertale was getting a “sequel”, and to hear that dreaded line, “Then why did you kill my brother.” all for the first time again.
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i've said this before but i think a huge part of the reason undertale's character writing works that doesn't get talked about enough is the fact that it doesn't fall into the trap of having FRIENDSHIP fix everything. i mean in a way it kind of does but like. the characters fix their own mistakes. they are the ones to decide they've done wrong and take action to fix it, not you. they just realize that through frisk. friendship gives them the new perspective necessary to change their ways, but it's only half the solution.
it's alphys who decides, on her own, to take the amalgamates home and admit her mistakes. it's undyne who, when it's her turn to attack you, outside her flaming house, decides there's no point in this path of mindless murder and destruction she's dug for herself, and breaks the cycle herself by dropping her weapon and deciding not to fight you anymore. it's asgore who, after you've done nothing but attack him, realizes what a coward he's been and decides to end the cycle of violence at the cost of his own life. it's mettaton who hears the voices of the hundreds who love him, and who he loves, and realizes that for now, it's more worth it for him to be content where he is. it's asriel who, despite the comfort of pretending chara's still with him, chooses to recognize frisk as who they really are, and face a harsh reality so he can save his family. sans sees your determination and perseverance in the face of hopelessness and decides that maybe there is something to fight for, all by simply watching you. hell, papyrus gives up his fight entirely on his own- all he needs is an opportunity to really think his plan to join the guard through, and a taste of what that guard actually stands for, and he decides it's not worth it without you saying a word. undertale presents you with all these flawed and complex characters and says, "here, look. they're just like you, and they chose to save themselves, despite everything in them telling them they were damned. will you do the same?"
#undertale#they. saved. themselves. that's the whole point of this game.#you saved their souls. but only they can save their lives.#i think that's why ut's redemption arcs work. they're not just frisk 'fixing' everyone. they're damaged and flawed people caught in cycles#of loneliness and nihilism and insecurity and self-hate#who find friendship for the first time in years and decide that this is worth becoming the best people they can be.#that's why frisk doesn't break the barrier. it's corny#but i think at least part of undertale is about how we need to break our own barriers. and we will need external love and support to do tha#but ultimately- as seen with asriel- it's our decision to set ourselves free.
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Do you have any headcanons you’d like to share about the Dreemurrs? What do you think Chara’s first meeting with Asriel was like? How do you think the process of settling into the Dreemurr family went? Sorry for the rapid fire questions, I’d just really like to hear your take on things 😅
@fern717 thank u guys!!! gonna answer The Chara Asks in one go :) very glad u guys like the way i draw chara!!! theyre very strongly based off someone i knew so im glad that people seem to like their silliness <3
as for hcs i like to think that chara was in the underground for two years at most and a year at least and they fell when they were around 11/12 and lived til 13 and that asriel was only a few months older than them and they were both very close because neither really had friends. chara was likely very dazed after falling and really surprised to see someone genuinely looking out for their wellbeing so they just went along with it like. I Might As Well. I Guess. i think chara was probably a very depressed kid who had a rough home life so falling and meeting people that would take them in as their own was probably REALLY weird to them. i think their family before the dreemurrs were very hard on them so they were held to some kind of standard to be perfect and they were convinced that if they werent also that way for the dreemurrs they were undeserving of love which lead up to their whole plan.
they needed to somehow prove that they were worthy of the love the dreemurrs gave them whereas asriel wanted them to be okay and he was a people pleaser who would do or say anything to make chara happy and he felt like he could never quite. Do That. like he felt this duty to save them and his people and everyone around him and its not until the end of true pacifist that he realizes that that was never his responsibility and he did all he could. they were both kids who had various issues and in the end chara left a huge impact despite the short amount of time they were in the underground cuz they were so loved... and for the drawing above i like to think their appearance changed a bit!! went from how they looked in the opening to allowing themself to be more loose and not as strict with how they looked as they opened up to the dreemurrs and realized that they wouldnt have to be as nervous as they were on the surface
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i know undertale is like, almost a decade old at this point, even older if you count the kickstarter’s age, but i still cant get over how flowey/asriel is literally such a cool fucking character. he’s like a player that plays a game too many times and stops being able to see the characters as people as their brain sees them acting the same and doing the same things on each replay and how he loses his sympathy bc of that. and this makes him come across as a typical pure evil antagonist at first, but then you learn his backstory, and it’s all just, aghhhhhhhh. and then you learn in the genocide route that he helped people at first, he used to be kind, but he got bored, and how that contrasts the player on the genocide route with flowey, the genocide route where the player is now in the role of the pure evil villain, just like flowey was.
and also i love how the guy is literally just an edgy kid. like, he comes across as an adult at first, but the guy’s just like one of those cynical little kids who only wants to see the worst in everything. and how that’s portrayed in the true pacifist route where he gives himself this edgy name and transformation sequence that feels like something a kid would come up with. tho the idea that he’s a kid does kinda come into question when you consider all the resets he’s been on, but even still he never got to grow up.
i wanna hug this lil dude so badly, even in flower form, he deserves a hug.
i fucking love this dude, he’s kinda like a pure evil antagonist, but actually has a backstory that makes you feel sorry for him and make his actions feel understandable, even if he can feel like some insane cartoon supervillain, his actions still feel reasonable with his backstory in mind. it’s like taking the idea of an unrealistically evil villain and asking yourself what couldve possibly made them that way
and his whole life as asriel with chara as a sibling. aghhhhhhhh, i love it.
and how in the beginning of the game he probably hasnt even realized his powers are missing yet, and that may just be a small thing but i find it a fun small recontextualization. that in this moment where you seem like you’re falling into his trap, he doesnt even realize that you have far more power over him than he thinks. and something i never even really thought about for a while is how he probably had a bit of a mental breakdown realizing his powers are missing sometime between your first and second time meeting him, and how he probably had to get himself all ready to talk with you again and come across as confident and threatening. like, there’s no way he just brushed off the fact that his powers are missing so easily, his plan to use you to retrieve the souls probably helped him feel better, but there’s no way this dude just brushed off losing the powers he’s been relying on for who knows how long so easily. he definitely got all angry and scared at his missing powers sometime between your first and second meeting, for at least a little while.
honestly, i feel like undertale didnt have enough of him. he deserved more screentime imo. which is why i was really happy to see his characterizationin done so well in undertale yellow, i fucking loved how that game built on his character. and his whole boss fight in that game somehow outdoing his boss fights in the original game. and how a lot of his attacks involve self harm in some way. and how he acts as the save points for the game so you get to hear a lot more from him throughout the game. i feel like undertale yellow gave me some characterization for him that i really fucking needed.
genuinely one of my favourite characters in all of fiction. would love to have a conversation with this lil guy.
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Timeless AU Sans and Asriel! 🫡
I was going to color them but I'm mildly afraid my roommate will come back and I am not about to try and explain... this. So, temporarily take these sketches!
With a bonus full-family wip! (I need to make Gaster smaller/thinner but y'know--)
In this au, Gaster isn't killed in the core accident, and so he's present for the major tragedies that would normally follow his death. And subsequently is able to fix some of the problems! One being Asriel's death and transformation into Flowey.
Gaster, who was working on making a monster from almost scratch (his soul was too weak to form another soul but he wanted a kid and yadda yadda), successfully created Sans. After a bit of studying Sans' growth, Gaster was practically able to revive Asriel. Asriel is older than Sans by a few years as his 'death' made him miss a few.
And during this process, Gaster also managed to rizz up Asgore by complete accident. They'd always been close, even before the war, but Asgore was to be king, and he was already betroathed to Tori at birth, so Gaster was content being by Asgore's side as a friend. Buttttttt Toriel leaving for the ruins in her grief left the door wide-open for Asgore to finally make a move on Gaster. They never officially marry, but literally everyone outside the ruins is aware that the two are together.
Asriel remembers very little of his death, but he remembers Chara, and he remembers the surface. Asgore and Gaster don't hide the fact that Asriel died from him, and one day Azzy got up the courage to ask Gaster if he could bring back Chara too. Gaster hadn't even thought about it, but he figured that without Chara's body he wouldn't be able to revive them in any meaningful way. Azzy doesn't give up hope, but he doesn't bother Gaster about it anymore.
Azzy is a gentle soul, shy and playful. He's not used to being an older sibling, and he misses his mom, but he likes his new family too. He often trips and falls, resulting in the bandaid scattered on his body, and he loves to farm just like Asgore, so he usually wears overalls.
Sans is Gaster's oldest son by magic-line. He's punny, a prankster, and the more confident between himself and Asriel. If they're out of their element, Sans is the one to forge through the path and laugh while doing it! Gaster can't get him to wear shoes ("You and Dad and Azzy don't, so why should I?" Is usually his rebuttle. No one can really argue it.) So he's usually seen only wearing socks.
Papyrus (who is only a few scribbles in Gaster's arms rn) is the youngest and doesn't really get the same chances as Sans and Azzy do as older kids, but he'll grow to be the most rambunctious of all of them. I think Papy is self-conscious when he's young (what if he's not good enough? Sans is so good at science stuff like Papa, and Asriel is a great prince like Dad, so where does that leave him?) But he ends up training in combat with Asriel before meeting Undyne and deciding he wants to be part of the royal guard! (That way he can protect his 1 hp brother and his Princely brother!) Undyne and him are quick friends.
Actually, since I'm on a role: Asriel keeps studying and learning from his dad on how to be a prince. Honestly, he likes what Sans and his Pops are up to a lot more, but he doesn't mind being Future King. (He sneaks into the lab to watch the two do their studies whenever he can.) Meanwhile Sans works with Gaster in the labs! He's a fast learner and loves the work, but everyone can see just how much more natural he is with social science. He understands the political theory Asriel tells him and Sans can dissect exactly wtf it means and why Asriel has to react the way he does. Sans still ends up being the Judge, but largely keeps his focuses to the Lab with his pops abd Alphys. And Papy is certainly Great. He ends up as co-captain of the Royal Guard. He's not quite as personable as Undyne, but he sure is committed, and has direct ties to the royal family. More often than not, when he's not doing his rounds or helping with training, he's Azzy's personal guard.
And yes, this does mean incoming 20-ish Asriel, 19-ish Sans, and 17-ish Paps designs are incoming eventually! Asgore and Gaster get to see their sons grow up!!!
#utmv#utmv sans#utmv oc#my art#spot!drawn#wip#Timeless AU#Timeless Gaster#Timeless Asriel#Timeless Sans#Timeless Asgore#asgore x gaster#Timeless Papyrus
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Deltarune's themes of escapism and why they hit me hard
I was going to do some Deltarune art based around this and then just have the definition of escapism under it, but I can't think of what to draw, so I'm just going to ramble about it instead.
Deltarune, as I'm sure many many other people have pointed out before, has strong themes of escapism in addition to its themes of control, freedom, the narrative, etc. The Dark Worlds transform objects into people, rooms into environments, high school students into heroes. They seem to bring to life the sorts of games you played as a kid, with your toys and your friends, making up a story that played out in your mind, enhanced by your imagination. It's theatre of the mind, helped along by the toys and props and whatnot - like when you're playing D&D, too. This sort of thing is mainly in Chapter One, with the game pieces and cards and toys. I remember playing make-believe with practically everything as a kid - I made up stories with chess pieces a few times, that was fun. Castle Town and Card Kingdom are both reminiscent of a very traditional form of escapism: fantasy.
The Cyber World is a little different, but it still holds the same sort of idea - hell, we're all here on Tumblr, we know what it's like to bury ourselves in the internet, in videos and memes and posts, and forget the world for a little while. This is emphasised by Queen's commentary - I can't find the exact quote, but it's something about being worried that the Lightners will become depressed without the 'bliss' of the internet, which isn't currently working in Hometown. We also know that Chapter 3 will take place in Toriel's lounge room and seems to be specifically based around the TV (and, this is off topic, but I literally just realised Mike could be, like, mic, as in microphone, and Tenna could be short for antenna), which can also be a form of escapism for people. I know that my mum, for one, watches TV most nights.
There's also the specific characters who fall into the Dark Worlds - Kris, Susie, Noelle, Berdly.
Kris seems to be considered weird by most of Hometown, where they are the only human and don't seem to have many - or, well, any - real friends apart from their brother, who was the town's golden boy, who everyone keeps talking about and seems to hold in high regard, whose side of the bedroom holds trophies and pictures and colour while Kris' is bare and grey (they also have Susie now, but she only became their friend during the first Dark World). In the Dark World, however, Kris gets to be a hero, sword and shield raised, saving the world with their friends. Everyone in Castle Town loves them. The room Ralsei built for them has trophies aplenty. And then there's the matter of Ralsei, who looks so much like Toriel and Asgore and Asriel, who is so nice and so supportive of Kris, who has pink horns like maybe a certain red headband faded (yes I headcanon that Ralsei is Kris' old horn headband and will continue to do so until proven wrong).
Susie, who drinks milk from back alleys and threatens to eat people's faces, who didn't actually call home when she had a sleepover with Kris, who gets uncomfortable around the block of flats in Hometown, who doesn't seem to know how to react when shown kindness or friendship, who considers herself the 'bad guy'. Well, she gets to be that bad guy, strong and powerful and scary, with a big axe and sharp teeth and enemies to defeat. And then she gets to have friends, she gets to have food, she gets to be the hero and maybe that's not so bad after all if she does it alongside people she cares about, people who care about her. We can see how much happier she is in the Dark Worlds.
Berdly, who tries so hard to be perceived as smart, who loves videogames. I don't have as much to say about him, honestly, but his Dark World design is quite distinctively Cyber World when compared to the other Lightner's more fantasy-inspired designs, and being in the Dark World gives him the chance to be a hero, even if he's not great at that for most of Chapter 2.
And Noelle. Noelle, whose sister seems to be missing or dead, whose dad is in hospital, whose mum is the town's mayor and works a lot and has an icy personality. Noelle who searches for bugs and secrets in the games she seems to love. Noelle who wishes she had magic to heal her dad. Noelle who seems to feel powerless to help someone she loves, who doesn't stand up to Berdly or her mum. Once she's in the Dark World, she can heal people. She stands up to Queen, who is a sort of mother figure. She gets to spend time with Susie. She gets to see the city lights that Dess promised her.
All this to say that Deltarune in general and the Dark Worlds specifically have some not-so-subtle themes of escapism.
Now, the 'why it hits me hard' bit. Escapism has always been one of my main coping strategies, and even beyond that, I love fantasy, I love stories, I love burying myself in another world. It's much easier to be in a world where there's magic and quests and maybe there's struggles and strife and people still get hurt and mess up and go through bad things, but eventually there's a happy ending because that's how stories work, they don't have the constant uncertainty of real life. And, you know, if I could go to a Dark World, I would. I can understand why Susie likes the Dark Worlds so much, why Noelle and Berdly wanted to make another. Escapism is something that I can understand, especially after having struggled with my mental health for a few years (I'm a lot better now though). The world can be messy and complicated and hard, and wouldn't it be nice to be in a different world for a bit, one where you can be who you want to be and you don't feel lost anymore?
So, uh... yeah lol.
#deltarune#deltarune themes#escapism#rambling#kris#kris dreemurr#deltarune kris#susie#deltarune susie#noelle#noelle holiday#deltarune noelle#berdly#deltarune berdly#dark world#deltarune dark world#rose's rambles#it is currently 1 am
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sometimes i think about the way asriel interacts with people and how he seems to believe that theres like. rules to friendship or something of the sort. maybe not Rules exactly but he seems to think there's a Correct way to act. he needs to do everything Right so he can get his Happy Ending. and the thing that really gets me about that is we only see him directly talk to two (2) people and that's chara and frisk. with chara it's like he's desperately trying to be as nice as possible and he just kind of goes along with whatever they say to keep them as a friend, and that only breaks once he feels like he's done something wrong (an example would be when he goes to asgore after getting scared by them). and how he says "i'd Never doubt You chara" despite obviously doubting this plan is so. yeah he's a people pleaser alright.
and Then there's frisk. flowey doesn't seem to see a point in befriending them for several reasons whether it's jealousy or an uncomfortable reminder of who he lost or that they remind him of himself. he talks to them as if he's thinking out loud, talking to himself. the only times he slips back into that persona is when he's trying to get the player to do what he wants like "oh maybe She has the key to your happiness :)" and this is Exactly why he NEVER believes anyone when they're genuinely kind to him. he thinks it MUST be an act because he thinks that's what his kindness is. he's so firm in his belief that he Must be terrible that he could never be genuinely kind or genuinely care about anyone. he's stuck in this cycle of self hatred from grief and his inability to Stop Masking For One Day Of His Life
so then it makes me think really hard about the way he interacts with papyrus. papyrus is really interesting cuz he's genuinely kind without just letting people do whatever they want to him. he has his boundaries and flowey knows how he'd respond to anything he says. and papyrus pretty much goes "wowww cant believe u would say that about urself" whenever anyone's a jerk to him which i'm SURE was amusing to flowey. we don't know much about how they talk to each other but they can probably understand each other's loneliness but i also think a lot about how sans says that flowey gives him praise and predictions. it just makes me wonder if he's Once Again falling back into his people pleaser habits with those he's fond of out of fear of losing them even though he knows how papyrus would react if he Was a jerk
flowey believing he can't feel and that this is so horrible of him is probably a result of him masking his whole life whether it's as the prince or someones friend and going "oh god this isnt really Me... what Is really me and did the Nice me die along with chara???" i just think. he's so unbelievably traumatized and clearly autistic (and probably has ocd tbh) and he doesn't know how to deal with it when he's done something that results in an unhappy end. that's Also why he blames himself so much he just thinks if he just did everything right everything would have turned out right. he's so well written in every aspect and it always makes me happy to see a well written character that i can relate to as someone with both ptsd and autism... thank u flowey i love u
#undertale#utdr analysis#utdr#flowey#asriel dreemurr#asriel#papyrus#hi im being regular about my big favorite again as u can see.
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Fandom: Deltarune
Character: Noelle Holiday and Berdly
Pairing: Romantic And Rivalry
Type of fic: Hc
Other info: MB with a reader thats childhood friends with both of them
If you decide to do this rq thank you!!! :33 Gn reader
Sure! I'll try my best, I'm a bit rusty with Deltarune atm ^^;
Yandere! Noelle Holiday vs Berdly
Pairing: Romantic - Rivalry
Possible Trigger Warnings: Gender-Neutral Darling, Obsession, Jealousy, Fear of abandonment implied, Inferiority complex implied, Some manipulation, Stalking implied, Dubious/Forced relationship.
Honestly, I can see these two falling for a childhood friend.
If you were childhood friends with Noelle there's a good chance you are also friends with Kris and Asriel.
Noelle has always been friendly and cheerful with you, albeit timid.
She's quiet about her feelings, even when they develop towards you.
Far as you know she's still crushing on Susie, completely unaware of the gaze she gives you when you look away.
Berdly has always been arrogant when you were little, but you know it's because he's insecure.
In fact, Berdly likes you because you know the true him.
Again, far as you know he likes Noelle... also not noticing the obsessive tendencies he has towards you.
So this dynamic so far is both of your childhood friends having a crush on you... all while you think they like someone else.
You're a bit oblivious for a long time.
Imagine if their obsessions don't hit their peak until during the events of Chapter 2?
Maybe you join Kris, Susie, Ralsei, Noelle, and Berdly during the events of Chapter 2.
During this time both of them get more confident and less insecure around you.
Berdly learns more confidence and to be modest through his time with Kris and Queen and thinks he should confess to you.
Noelle learns to be less shy and to stand up for herself during her journey with Kris too, also making it a goal to confess to you.
We all know how Noelle reacted when Berdly said he may confess to Susie, right?
Yeah... they are not going to take it well when they find out they both like you.
They find out they both like you near the end of Chapter 2.
Post Chapter 2 they both realize they have to make a move.
After all... you're their shared childhood friend!
They both want to have you as theirs.
But they aren't going to share.
Noelle works up her confidence after Chapter 2, even asking Kris for advice on how to ask you out.
Berdly would also try to prepare ways to proclaim his love for you.
He wants to protect you! He wants to court you.
While they both care for one another...
They really wish the other would back off.
Noelle tries so hard to get you alone to ask you out.
However Berdly goes over the top with trying to impress you, even if he is getting over his insecurities.
As a result Noelle may try to find ways to impress you faster.
The two may even follow you around, catching each other doing it before accusing the other of stalking.
I feel these two are so similar to each other (both overcoming similar confidence problems during Chapter 2) that they may even confess at the same time.
Imagine this, you're called to meet them both at a place you all visited often as kids.
The two are surprised to see each other, you can sense the tension in the air.
Then suddenly they're each grabbing a hand of yours and suddenly trying to confess to you.
You're shocked at this as they tug at you, trying to get more attention than the other.
Maybe afterwards you tell them you need a break to think, leaving them both alone.
The two glare at one another... silently accepting a challenge.
Afterwards the two are constantly trying to have you date one of them.
You may not even be interested, you may just see them as friends.
Yet the two are determined to have you accept their feelings.
Regardless on if you like one of them or none of them...
They won't stop until you pick one of them in the end.
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The og cast from Undertale’s reaction to Frisk being a normal kid, and doing human kid things. Like tripping and eating concrete hard enough to give themselves a bloody nose, and just getting up to continue playing with a care. (I love the stories that let Frisk be a kid the most, it’s hard work saving an entire race and despite the ‘fanon’ of them immediately becoming ambassador for monsterkind, I think they deserve to splash in rain puddles and make snow/mud cakes.)
Heheheh, I love fan fictions where frisk just gets to be a kid again.
Toriel:
Toriel would just be happy to see Frisk acting like a child again, in the Underground they were so determined to free everyone, they were to busy to have fun. And then all that drama with the human government.
Well, even if it means mud on the kitchen tiles and cleaning up scrapped knees. Toriel is just glad Frisk is happy
Asgore:
Much the same reaction to Toriel, though he’s happy they feel comfortable enough around him to act like their age. Instead of the stoic figure he first encountered. Hearing their giggles reminds him of earlier times, with Chara and Asriel.
He’s glad he’s got a family again
Undyne:
HELL YEAH. She is fully indulging in frisks playful, childish side. Shes throwing them in the water, like all older siblings do, she’s chasing frisk and their friends around. Everything.
Everytime frisk falls down she’s right next to them. Scooping them up and swinging them around until they’re laughing!
Alphys:
Admittedly she isn’t the best with kids. But she tries, though she prefers when frisk isn’t running around screaming and making a mess. She definitely helps them settle down,
The two watch some child friendly anime and Alphys probably helps make frisk an OC. Not gonna lie, it’s the most fun Alphys has had with anyone in a long time.
Papyrus:
Papyrus is right alongside frisk as they engage in shenanigans. Probably also with Undyne. He makes puzzles for frisk to try, even though he starts to make them really challenging as time goes by
He’d also help Toriel clean up any mess frisk makes, though he’d also scold frisk as well “don’t be lazy, you don’t want to end up like Sans!”
Sans:
*snoring noises* yeah he’s probably sleeping through a lot of this, or watching from a distance. Sorry kiddo, he had to spend enough energy wrangling Papyrus in when he was their age.
Despite not actively participating, he still watch’s, making sure that they don’t get too badly hurt. And he does offer helpful advice, if you can get past all the atrocious puns
#undertale#void askes#undertale headcanons#sans undertale#undertale papyrus#undyne#alphys undertale#toriel#asgore
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I have so many thoughts and feelings about Asgore x Toriel. It's just so depressing.
Talking about undertale first, Toriel seems to have moved on from Asgore completely, and even more, completely despised him for years because of his actions, which is fair. And Asgore on the other end really just held on to hope to be with her again, because what he really wanted was to have his family back and for everything to return to normal. Because holding onto that hope is all he had. But that could never happen.
I really appreciate how close they were when they were happy together, and even with how messy everything got after the kids died, they eventually reconciled in the post-pacifist route. Asgore working in front of Toriel's school and they're just chilling, and also the alarm clock dialogue where they're happily reminiscing and playing together.
One could interpret they got together again? But I mean, not to put soriel in the conversation, but considering all the neutral routes where they end up living together, and hints in the alarm clock dialogue, and that one ut q&a that implies they also live together post-pacifist route (or at the very least close enough she makes sans and papyrus lunch everyday), and yknow, everything in deltarune - it's pretty clear Toriel has moved on completely. And post-pacifist Asgore too it seems. And I'm happy for him.
But deltarune boy oh boy.
This isn't decades after their falling out where I'm sure both of them are just tired of this by that point. Oh no, this is probably not even that many years after at ALL, maybe it even happened after Asriel went away for college. We're literally watching them crash and burn right now and it's so bad. PLUS WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED.
And obviously it's not good to be together just for the children - sounds like a nightmare to me but that's probably a bit of projection on my part - and Toriel shouldn't be with him if she doesn't want to. But Asgore's financial and living conditions is just so bad, and to put salt in the wound he hasn't even moved on from Toriel yet, while she definitely has. (Or trying to, as soon as her ex stops sending her flowers and flirting with her in front of another guy she was trying to flirt with. Sorry, that scene just kills me it's so good).
I really hope Asgore can get better from this state soon since I don't see them getting back together at all. I assume their falling out wasn't so simple as Toriel just not loving him anymore, there's definitely something bigger there and I would bet it's something involving him losing his job at the police department cof andDessmaybe cof.
But even then I still hope we manage to hit that reconciliation we have with undertale because they were so good together and can be very good friends again. We can only hope.
#urghhh love them so much#not together but yknow#sorry I just simply cannot process them together again in any way shape of form but all the fanart and comics is cute#do I tag soriel in this I feel like I mentioned it a lot#eh#undertale#toriel undertale#asgore dreemurr#asgore#toriel#I kinda dont wanna tag the ship since it's me kinda talking against it#uhhhhhhhhhhh I'll tag but sorry im advance#asgore x toriel#togore#soriel#deltarune
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WE AINT MAKIN IT OUT OF THE ROOMMATE TORIEL NEUTRAL ENDINGS WITH THES ONES 😭😭😭
AUUUGH WHY DO AMVS HAVE TO TAKE SO LONG TO MAKE anywho,
casually obsessed with an actively grieving man who hides all of it deep within himself, staying with a woman who has known grief all her life.
Okay ill explain about the songs I gave a bit more, I mean- if you’re really that interested
oh and also *pulls out secret box* theres more
and I have like 30 others- but I mean…. you don’t want that, do you?………………but by chance…..some MIRACLE…..anyone wants………my………i mean……..my dms are open…………..I also like other neutral runs yk……..and like………yknow……….Undertale………
FRANCIS FOREVER!!!! This ones pretty self explanatory if you listen/you’ve listened to it before.
Not being who you want to be cause your other half isnt there, not being able to sleep, “I miss you more than anything” THE WHOLE SHEBANG!!!
Yk I actually made an animation inspired off of a certain part in the amv I have in my head for this song- But I used “Sailor Song” instead because……..I actually don’t know why, come to think of it-
BUT BASICALLY the line “I look up at the gaps of sunlight” before “I miss you more than anything” HURTS, yes, but ALSO
Sans cant exactly be looking up at….the sky cause uh…..underground. So he’s looking at the hole that you fall from!
THE ONLY THING!!!! This one is mainly vibes, lyrics are REALLY GOOD TOO but vibes for the neutral ending specifically…Its kinda nostalgic and childhood wondery (I LOVE SUFJAN STEVENS SO GODAMN MUCH OMG) and thats very much how I feel Toriels house/general demeanor is like :3
But i’m kinda stealing from the fan assumption/theory that Papyrus is often the only thing that convinces Sans that some things he does ARE worth doing even in a repeating world
“how do I live with your ghost” “everything i see/feel returns to you somehow” “I wanna save you from your sorrow”
ok but the saving from sorrow thing has 2 meanings, 1 twords Papyrus and the other to Tori, cause ALSO stealing from the fan theory/assumption that Sans hides a LOT from Papyrus and while I dont personallyyyyyy believe it cause I think the King Papyrus thing was a one time REALLY difficult choice- BUT ITS SAD AND IT WORKS FOR HERE.
THEN! it also works for Toriel cause he’s saving her from sorrow from telling her about what the human is really like
SLEEPYHEAD! This is from Toriels perspective now!!!
Again, pretty self explanatory if youve listened to the song, “theres dust upon the stairs” OMG! DUST!?!?! LIKELIKELIKE UNDERTALE???!?!?!?
Also “I have never been the type to go to church, but I pray for her(Him) each night” Toriel is shown to be religious in Deltarune so id assume shes the same in Undertale…
“Please dont forget that im your friend”
DON’T FORGET!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?
But anywho- in an amv of this id think that… Toriel has no fucking clue whats up, cause Sans hasn’t told her, but she still “prays for him each night”/is worried for him cause CLEARLY HES UNWELL
DEAR THEODISIA….IS MORE SANS AND TORIEL/ALSO ASGORE THAN THE ENDING ITSELFFFFFFF BUT JUST HEAR ME OUT
Burrs whole thing is about his daughter… and Hamiltons is his son….
Toriel and Asriel…and Sans and Papyrus….IT ACTUALLY WORKS SO WELL AND I SOB IMAGINING THE AMV POSSIBILITIES
Asriel: you will come of age with our new nation, we’ll bleed and fight for you, we’ll pass it on to you AAAAUUUUGHHH
Papyrus: pride is not the word im looking for, there is so much more inside me now, you outshine the morning sun AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Asriel will blow them all away by being KING some day, and Papyrus will by just being the coolest motherfucker in Snowdin and also ROYAL GUARD
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Daily ask №17!
Undertale edition!
Frankly I've had an idea for this edition for a bit now, just needed a confirmation that you do know undertale after all.
The fault crew just somehow fall down into Mt. Ebott. Simultaneously. Without the ability to get out without breaking the barrier, so the canon way where they have to go through the whole underground. How well does that go? How do you think the undertale crew reacts to them? (By undertale crew I mean Toriel, Papyrus, Sans, Undyne, Alphys, Mettaton, Asgore and Flowey/Asriel.) This ask will only have 3 questions so you can write this out in details if you wanna.
How do you think would the undertale soul system work combined with Fault's lore? And if every character did have a soul, which color would they have? Like from the classic determination, Bravery, justice, kindness, patience, integrity, etc. also you can make up your own souls if you wanna!
Which characters do you think are the most similar to respective characters from the fault crew and why?
man I think there’s like a whole fic in this answer! Fascinating prompt since so much of undertale is influenced by Frisk’s humanness
1.The guys and flies being so openly monstrous would mean everything shakes out pretty differently. I suppose Wilbur would get mistaken for a human at times and it would make him furious. But past that would really, really do well with a culture who has been oppressed and misaligned by humans. It would find a lot of camaraderie there. But everyone just being so openly calling themselves monsters is a huge shock for the SCP crew, since that’s a pretty big trigger for them. I think it could be healing to find people so openly embracing the term. Especially with the variety of UT monsters that use it/its pronouns.
After falling, both Phil and Tubbo are really concerned with how they can’t fly out no matter how hard they try. It leads to an air of trepidation before Tubbo finds the buttercups and brightens since yay apparently they won’t starve in a cave. (Tommy: what about the rest of us?!) Sucks to suck. Tubbo is initially enamored with the idea of a talking flower, poking Flowey and causing him to bloom even more. Flowey’s thought process is immediately 1. Where the hell is Frisk and 2. Does that bee guy have three human souls. Flowey is Extremely Wary of Tubbo since he’s highly aware what that level of power boost means. But also he harasses Frisk anyway, and would probably pull the friendliness pellets trick on Tubbo who’d deffo be gullible enough to go for it. At which point Flowey promptly gets set on fire. Kill or be killed mother muffiner. As for the philosophy, Wilbur and Tommy already align with it, only killing in self-defense. Philza and The Blade don’t really see their death as a possibility when attacking, so they nitpick from that angle. Philza*, Tubbo, and Tommy have also lived lives (*at times) without threat where it isn’t necessary to kill in order to survive, and so can disagree that way too. And Tubbo of course brings pacifism and finding an alternative to the table.
As weak as Froggits are I honestly don’t see any of the guys bothering to kill them, unless one hits The Blade. They’re not really seen as a threat. Wilbur might even seek them out to eat the bullets. Honestly most encounters are highly influenced by the ‘attack the human’ mindset so they’d probably have a much easier time than Frisk. I doubt they’d even notice power increase from LOVE.
I think it would be funny if Philza feels slightly threatened by Toriel and they become competitively Good Parents to the Fault guys in a subtle rivalry. Tommy is outraged by snail pies but Wilbur digs it. She and Tubbo trade baking recipes, and Tubbo promises to leave a few bees to look out if a human falls down and needs help. I don’t imagine she’d try to fight them to remain in the ruins, given not humans and are clearly protecting each other.
Papyrus is vexed at how easily they’re able to get around puzzles thanks to various abilities like flying, bees, void, insta win gg mod, etc. But once revealed they have experience with humans he’s enthused to find out ways to trap them using that knowledge. Wilbur and The Blade adore the traps for enrichment, and Tommy also gets competitive about it. Phil and Tubbo help guide the traps away from being accidentally deadly. Wilbur and Papyrus date would be absolutely hilarious because neither of them know what that entails.
The Blade and Sans get along wonderfully in the lazy and deadpan humor department. But also Sans is keeping an eye on him because of his crazy high LV. Like, Phil’s is also insane, but it doesn’t compare to The Blade’s at all. Turns out it’s The Blood God’s LOVE that is pinging, and Sans is like…wonderful, now i have two mass murderers that get possessed by demons… anyway Sans is definitely watching very carefully, because this is a neutral route.
Undyne is probably going to get herself killed tbh. She’s an attack first ask questions later gal, and that is not something you survive with the SCP squad. Sadg, I want her to train with Phil, The Blade, and Tommy. Plus the contrast between how she and Wilbur feel about human halter is phenomenal. Wilbur probably WOULD believe she knew what she was talking about with anime.
I fully believe they straight-up murder Alphys if they find the True Lab. And they will, because Tubbo can be kinda everywhere and would be utterly horrified, trying to rescue all the amalgamations. It’s a particular affront to them given combining souls against their will is a HUGE problem for Tubbo specifically. And even before then, everyone’s possibly already be skittish around her before then because scientist and surveillance cameras. Alphys digs into their Foundation trauma in a pretty big way. I think she locks herself in the lab if Undyne dies but that really won’t stop them. It’s nowhere near as secure as the Foundation.
Okay. Mettaton is in a VERY interesting position. Because technically The Blade’s Instant Win battle luck does not apply to robots, or things that are dead, and as a ghost robot Mettaton is exempt. So The Blood God would not be triggered. The Blade might fight on his own for the novelty of it, and let him win, again, because hey! He gets a choice! That’s sick! Tommy is voguing his brains out. Plus cool friend he can hug because robots aren’t affected by Red. Yes Mettaton thinks him and Wilbur are human and are trying to kill them buuuuut that really won’t deter Tommy that much.
Asgore is very shocked with the fact there are apparently monsters on the surface still. When informed the Foundation exists and hunts them down, he grows really grim and more convinced that a war is the only possible solution when they get to the surface. The Blade is like wait that’s a GREAT idea. Wil, Tubbo, and Tommy think he’s crazy. Philza is actually the one to talk Asgore out of it, explaining how it’s infeasible, that it’ll only spread monster hatred like wildfire and ideas are so much harder to kill than people, that it’ll only earn danger and retaliation that’s likely to get his children kingdom slaughtered. Because. Well. Philza has definitely toyed with the idea before, and understands exactly how badly it would go. Philza is homicidal, not stupid.
Finding the children’s souls in the basement would go really bad. Philza is furious because he’s pretty anti child murder, which is extremely uncomfortable for The Blade, who feels revolted that someone is willingly and intentionally doing so. But also he gets sacrificing innocents for freedom, and being confronted with what that looks like taken to extremes messes him up. Tommy and Tubbo are just completely horrified. Wilbur…honestly I don’t think it’d care that much? He doesn’t really have that societal/evolutionary ‘protect the kids’ thing aside from striving to get normalcy for Tommy. Who isn’t human, thus is within the tribe. And Wilbur personally thinks killing THE KING OF THE NATION THEY’RE IN is an extremely fast way to die! Unless monster society works like the void; ie who ever kills the top of the heirarchy is now in power. But also Asgore hasn’t attacked them. The Blade is always down for anarchy, but guilty about what that means for what he deserves, and Philza did just have a speech about declaring war is a bad idea. So Asgore lives, but I figure Philza and WIlbur have the political machinations to get him out of office and Toriel on the throne (Wilbur does it for the pies).
Tubbo tries to talk to the souls, which…potentially plausible? The souls have down basic words and if Tubbo beckoned them there is a minor physic link but I’m not sure how much that could further communication. I believe they’d offer the souls to join the Hive in order to have a second chance at life. Not sure who if any would accept, but that could potentially have a lot of interesting implications.
Regardless, they have enough human souls to get out. Because of Fault crew’s experience they’re a little reluctant to return bc the Foundation hasn’t harassed them, but the monsters are eager. I think under the advice of SCP squad they’re going to avoid actually getting into human society, but the emergence of a likely segregated town of monsters with a high enough population that humans can’t just fully attack is feasible. In the long run it is really good for Fault sbi given they have a place to settle with a community and general protection from the Foundation.
2.Honestly the soul systems have a decent amount of overlap. Potentially some subconscious inspiration, there. Things like souls giving power to those that absorb them, multiple souls sharing control of a body, traits associated with souls, humans/people being more powerful than other types of souls. Fault people/UT human souls share some similarities, with the souls being powerful and the bodies being weaker, with Conceptuals/monster souls being the inverse.
But I think on a number of key facts they contradict irreconcilably. F!People souls can’t be taken without consent/consequence in Fault, which is distinctly not the case in Undertale for Humans, and don’t persist after death unless absorbed/combined with a Conceptual, let alone get ripped out and put back in like we see with Kris. For Conceptuals, when they die they leave behind an object that represents their soul. It persists after death unlike monster souls. You can eat the representation for power tho, but I hope Frisk isn’t snorting lines of Monster dust!
Undertale human souls are distinctly defined by a concept, whereas Conceptuals are defined by two and F!people are distinctly exempt from being defined by a core concept because they are real and thus able to change, grow, act outside of their natures. I think UT human souls are made of emotions which is a small fraction of a Fault soul, let alone monster ‘magic’ having no analogy.
Flowey. Man. Flowey doesn’t work with the Fault system, given he’s soulless which just isn’t possible? All sentient beings that can form relationships, experience emotion, have memories, and have agency have souls in Fault. If you’re missing even one of those you’re screwed in different colorful ways. Since Flowey isn’t like a husk he has to have a soul. Like potential one could argue he’s missing emotion given the lack of empathy but he clearly has fear, spite, hatred, curiosity, etc. anyway the God of Hyperdeath fight would never shake out like that in Fault since people souls tend to be suited to overpowering a Conceptual (though willpower is a factor).
I suppose it could be sorted out with Conceptuals, monster souls, and people souls being separate but the UT Human souls throw a wrench in since at the very least Tubbo and Tommy have those. The soul systems are alas fairly incompatible in a number of big ways for both plots.
Exclusively under the Undertale system: Tommy would definitely have a human soul and boss monster one. Tubbo is the three human souls, and potentially a normal monster one..? Potentially many normal monster souls. Wilbur has a monster soul, though I think it could do that thing Undyne does where he’s so determined that he clings to life despite it melting him. The Blade would be…a monster?? Human??? soul that absorbed a boss monster, with INSANE LOVE for the voices. Philza is a boss monster, hence the immortality.
Tubbo is integrity. I debated Justice, because they certainly try, but Tubbo isn’t particularly successful. They value their integrity very very highly.
Tommy is perseverance because his power is kinda surviving no matter what. And he does try to continue to be happy and outgoing despite everything.
Philza is patience. It’s what nearly gets him killed in the amnestics arc. He’s used to having all the time in the world and is willing to play the long game.
The Blade is kindness. Cause genuinely he really is just very nice even though his morals are a lil funky.
Wilbur is determination. It’s tamed the void through willpower and cleverness alone, and is dedicated to practicality and doing whatever it takes to survive.
3.Sans is a shoe in for The Blade. Lazy laidback jokers? Check. Hellish in a fight? Check. Does more damage if the person their fighting has attacked? Check. One eye? At one point. And The Blood God can be the mad dummy. (Which has my favorite boss theme btw)
Papyrus and Tommy have a lot together with being self aggrandizing and forgiving people that maybe they shouldn’t. Alternatively MK for that enthusiastic kid energy, hands? No thanks, and that initial hero worship of Undyne/The Blade.
Toriel and Philza have that chronic parent energy, particularly with the food as love language part. Plus the fire aspect! Not sure if Phil would go for the helicopter over controlling parent thing after so many children deaths, but the experience of watching so many of your kids die is shared.
Wilbur is Burgerpants because. Okay I just think they have that same vibes. And it’s funny.or Mettaton bc legs for days and silly challenges.
I genuinely can’t think of an analogue for Tubbo! If you have a solution go for it.
#As a note Tubbo is not a Conceptual but they do operate under the soul collection system#I have no idea what Tubbo is#Dang i think I could write a whole fic gotta be careful#fault au#sbi scp au#technoblade#tommyinnit#philza#Tubbo#dsmp#sbi au#sbi#sleepy bois inc#mcyt#undertale#ut#undertale au#ut au#Ask#wlwdwtys ask#something to nom on
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Undertale: A domino effect and a fucked up situation and people are stupid
Huge fukin swears and Undertale and Undertale Yellow spoilers and exaggerations also Undertale Yellow is all you mfs think about huh
I just wanna ramble about the lore and the moral implications of everything I can remember after playing the game and having a major skill issue on Undyne the Undying.
Ah, Undertale, the game where no one has to die... For the most part.
And now it's time for the domino cycle.
Starting from the beginnings, humans and monsters lived in relative peace until a war broke out. Why? Because humans were afraid of the monsters' ability to absorb their souls. How the fuck would they even know this? Did it happen before? Did somebody tell them? Either way, it led to a war (or just a massacre) and the subsequent sealing of monsterkind under Mount Ebott, the mountain Where None Returns.
Some time in the 2010s a kid named Chara fell down and didn't automatically die on impact with the hard ground. The prince Asriel finds them and brings them to King Asgore and Queen Toriel. Even though Chara was of the same species that almost wiped their own species out and imprisoned them under a damn mountain the monsters accepted Chara as their own. A symbol of hope for peace between humans and monsters.
Until Chara and Asriel (mostly Chara manipulating tf outta Asriel) come up with the botched plan to collect the human souls necessary to free monsterkind (and potentially start another war (or just another massacre))
It fails because Asriel chickened out last minute as he (they? Chara is a part of him, right?) was attacked by the townsfolk because Chara as Asriel decided to take their own body back to the village without thinking of the consequences of people seeing what could've been a horrific beast holding the body of a child. Even if the people could see that there were no signs of being attacked or resisting attack, they probably assumed that Asriel poisoned Chara.
Anyways, Asriel dies in front of Goat Ma n Goat Pa. Goat Pa makes a declaration out of anger and grief that any human that falls afterwards must die so that monsterkind can be free... And also destroy humanity. Asgore you fucking idiot.
Toriel dips when Asgore and the entire kingdom needed her the most, and considered she was the brains of the Royal shit, things wouldn't be so good. Toriel you fucking idiot.
Also going back to the All Humans Must Die thing
All of the humans who fell afterwards were children.
Or teens.
Teenagers are merely big children.
Okay, they sure as hell weren't adults though.
The situation with Asriel and Chara could've led to monsters being aggressive to the humans who fell, especially during the early moments since the declaration
And the humans would've been aggressive back, causing a cycle
One of the children, let's say Integrity (because we love the silly blue ballet dancer) entered the underground during a highly aggressive time, possibly because of one of the previous humans' aggressive actions. The aggression from monsters might've led Integrity to believe that all monsters were vicious bloodthirsty beasts, causing them to get aggressive towards monsters.
That in of itself caused a domino effect: Integrity gets into a fight with Dalv with Kanako being in a close proximity. Either Dalv or Integrity fled, but Integrity went to Waterfall and faced a gruesome death at the hands of AXIS. Chujin commits treason by harboring a human soul and experimenting on them, using himself as a test subject. Integrity's extract killed Chujin from the inside out, either because of the 'corruption' or because of Integrity violently lashing out at the guy who played a massive role in their death. Chujin you fucking idiot.
The Jin's final wish to The Roba is to complete his work. Problem: The Roba knows jack all about anything relating to STEM, so what was she gonna do? The Jin's other final wish is for Kanako to not get involved in this situation. She gets involved because she's a child who possibility can't comprehend the situation properly. Also gets injected with the Integrity juice and falls down because she was insistant on helping.
Time skip to when our favorite cowchild Clover jumps down looking for the other kids (clover why would you look for kids that would be long dead by now you fucking idiot. It wouldn't even matter if there's wasn't a whole century) Clover is Doomed by the Narrative and damned to die no matter what. Except for the ending where they COMMIT MASS HOMICIDE. Had Clover just not reset at the end of the Vengeance Route, they would've made shit so much harder for Frisk when they fall.
Oh yea, Frisk. The CHALD. The kid is attacked alot. And that leads them to kill. That could cause a domino effect. A post UTY Vengeance Underground could be highly hostile towards humans because well... A human decimated a large portion of the underground just like the several other times.
Holy shit this is so fucked up
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Out of curiosity why do you think UT treats loveless people bad? From one loveless aro to another
I think Flowey is an awesome character and i'm so glad that by the end of the game he is still loveless and doesn't get 'fixed', and clearly in the winter dialogue you can tell he cares about people without feeling love. This is all awesome, but throughout the entire game not feeling love IS seen as a tragedy and they kind of imply it's one of the reasons why flowey turns evil (even though i believe the reset powers were the ACTUAL reason). The thing is you can interpret that Asriel talking bad about Flowey is him overall talking bad about himself but the game doesn't REALLY explore this, so it just comes across as Asriel stating how awful it feels to not feel love. That's the problem really, the game has a really good loveless character set up to explore but it doesn't explore it. The fact that it's there at all, the fact that the loveless character is very complex and not inherently evil IS a good thing, but it still falls into a lot of tropes of lovelessness being seen as a tragedy or an evil trait
I'm not loveless myself although i'm not 100% sure and i might fall in the loveless spectrum because i REALLY relate to it, but this is how I see it. Flowey is an awesome loveless character but Undertale still falls into some bad tropes at his expense
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Frisk and Chara Loop de Loop
Words: 4347
Summary: Frisk and Chara are in The Underground, still.
Includes: Meandering structure, interpretive character study, some melancholy, some grief, mention of continuous resets, allusion to no mercy, the difficulties of communicating with people you care about and asking for help, determination.
Chara and Frisk are explicitly part of the Dreemurr family in this, so don't read if you don't agree with that I guess.
Enjoy!
“Oof.”
You let out a small ‘oof’ as you hit the pile of leaves, landing on your back and staring up at the hole you fell through. The purple stone of The Ruins is all around you. After a moment of blinking slowly upwards, you extend your left arm and raise your hand palm-up in the air over your head. You’re thinking about how it looks like in anime openings or AMVs sometimes when characters do that, and that it’s cool.
It does kind of look like that. And it is kind of cool.
“How many times has this been?” I think at you.
“Only three or four,” you think back.
I huff mentally. “No, Frisk. Not falling down these holes and landing on the leaves. The whole, everything. Not even just resets, but getting to see Asriel and everyone leaving The Underground and stuff.” I try to cover up my small outburst of emotion and hope you didn’t notice too much.
You lower your arm, resting your hands on your stomach. “I don’t know,” you think. “It’s like Flowey says, it’s—. It’s like waking up from a dream sometimes, you know? They kind of blur together a couple back…” You heave a big sigh and kick your feet. “What about you? Do you know how many times?”
“I…” I mentally furrow my brows. “I’m not great at keeping track of stuff like that. Math is for losers. Tch.” So what if I’m not as great at hiding my emotions as I’d like to be.
Silence stretches on with neither of us saying anything. You close your eyes fully. Eventually I speak up again in your head.
“Frisk… How many more times do you want to keep doing this…? It’s not like Asriel and I need our bodies back that much… Perhaps a change of priorities is in order, and it’s like Asriel said, our parents have moved on, them seeing us again—”
“Stop. Chara. You deserve a happier ending. Both of you do. And your mom and dad love you! They wouldn’t be anything but overjoyed to see you again, I know this. And me too… It’s not just for you, you know. Your family loves you.”
I mentally lean my head on my hand and roll my eyes at you, but I can’t help giving the energy of a small smile.
You smile as well, and lace your fingers together.
“Can we just lie here for a little while?”
“Yeah, of course, yeah.”
***
After only a moment of pause, Papyrus continues on with: “WELL!!! THIS CHALLENGE!!! IT SEEMS… MAYBE… TOO EASY TO DEFEAT THE HUMAN WITH. YEAH! WE CAN’T USE THIS ONE!!! I AM A SKELETON WITH STANDARDS!!! MY PUZZLES ARE VERY FAIR! AND MY TRAPS ARE EXPERTLY COOKED! BUT THIS METHOD IS TOO DIRECT! NO CLASS AT ALL! AWAY IT GOES!”
The various spikes and spears and flamethrowers and dogs are retracted back from whence they came.
“PHEW! WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT!? THIS WAS ANOTHER DECISIVE VICTORY FOR PAPYRUS!!”
“NYEH!!”
“HEH!!”
“…”
“HEH???”
After Papyrus confusedly makes his exit, you step off the rock-painted-like-a-bridge, feet crunching into the snow covering the ground. You turn and look over at Sans still planted in his spot to the side where he’s been watching the scene unfold. Sans shrugs at you and says, ��i don’t know what my brother’s going to do now. if I were you, i would make sure i understand blue attacks.”
You give a polite nod at him and turn to continue on towards town, but he stops you. Seems like he has something more to say?
“hey, kid. you’ve got this look in your eye… you seem dead set about something. determined, you could say? i know you must want to befriend my brother real bad, but uh. no need to be a hero about it. take care of yourself.”
You set your mouth in a line and give another nod, then a hesitant little wave over your shoulder as you turn and head towards Snowdin.
…
“Frisk… I hate to say it, but do you think he may have a point?
You shake your head side to side. “No. Sans is funny, and likes to assume his assumptions about things are true… but it’s not like he really knows anything about us.”
I pause for a second
“…Assume his assumptions…?”
“Sumptions his wumptions?”
“Gumptions his dumptions???”
(… That little bit of impromptu nonsense wordplay got you smiling.)
“Chara.” The goofy smile falls from your mouth a little and turns into something more wistful (Uh oh). “I know you’re trying to look out for me. Thank you.”
“You’re… very welcome.”
“We don’t need to be turning to Sans for advice, though.”
“…I suppose we can agree on that at least. I don’t like when he threatens you. And his puns are B grade at best.”
“Okay no need to grumble, Chara,” you giggle. “And Sans isn’t that bad, in the end. The point is though, I want you to trust me. If there can be one human you can trust—”
“Frisk!!!” I laugh, “of course I trust you. We’re, like, family, you know? How many times has Toriel adopted you? I’ll always trust my family. And I’m sure you could even count as honorary monster at this point, if you wanted.”
“Hmm, I’ll have to think about it…” You do a dramatic little shrug. “But, good. I’m glad you trust me. We’re going to keep on going and I’m going to save you. Both of you.”
(Oh. Oh no. Oh geez, oh crud.)
“Um, Frisk, I don’t know if—”
“Ah ah ah!!! You don’t get to say you don’t deserve it! We talked about this, remember?”
“Yeah, I remember, but—”
“No-butts!!! Hey, how about we go get a cinnamon bunny? I bet that’ll cheer you up!”
“… That’s very thoughtful of you Frisk. Alright.”
“Yesss-!” You do a little victory pose and start skipping to get to the shop faster.
…
“Frisk, you remind me of myself sometimes.”
“Thanks!!!”
(…I don’t think you get it.)
***
Water falls all around us as a familiar tune begins to play. You kneel in front of the old statue, the red umbrella propped up in its arms. The ground is wet and dirty, but even still, you know I would be kneeling beside you if I could. You know I would bow my head if I could. I would put my face in my hands. I would embrace it in a hug and weep on its shoulder. Every time.
You pat your hand on the ground beside you, seeming to understand. I can feel the stone and grit.
“You’ll get your hands dirty. Not to mention your knees already. The water makes all the gravel and stuff stick to you.”
“I know.”
“Woshua wouldn’t be pleased.”
You chuckle lightly, and bow your head for a quiet moment.
After a long couple minutes of silence, you tentatively ask: “Do you remember the music box that’s in here?”
“Of course. It was a gift from our parents. Asgore had a friend who did craftwork like this. It’s beautiful… I, uh, I think this is a good home for it now. We really loved exploring Waterfall.”
You smile a little. “You know it’s not that long until we can see Asriel again, right?”
“I know that!!! Silly!” I respond, exasperated but a little amused. “It’s just that, well… Ugh. You know…” I trail off.
“I do know.”
“He deserved better, he does deserve better. He was so scared and alone as a flower, and then, and then there’s this, the journey and The Barrier, but then he’s just alone again? Even when we can get him to come with us, he still won’t tell mom and dad who he is… and he’s still stuck as a flower! How is that fair…”
“I feel the same way… but about you too. Stuck without a body, also not ready to tell our parents. And I bet that he would feel the same as well. Asriel would want us to be doing this.”
…
(Ugh. If only they knew.)
“Just let them go.
Let Frisk be happy.
Let Frisk live their life.”
(What have I been doing. Frisk… you… You have a life too…)
You only seem to be half expecting a response; you’re already hoisting yourself to your feet, and leaning over to give the statue a goodbye kiss on the top of the head. You have so many confident, bright feelings radiating off your soul. I take another look at the statue as you politely step back, before you turn to continue on.
Asriel…
“Um. Yeah, I guess you’re probably right, huh. He would want us to be doing this.”
You smile confidently and give a nod, marching onwards and outwards through the caverns of Waterfall, its denizens mostly watching on from out of the way.
(Frisk… I remember when we first met, when you first fell into The Underground. You were so frightened, so afraid and beaten down. Every kindness was like a miracle to you. You were intimidated by the size of the pie, wouldn’t leave mom, and then kept getting captured by Papyrus because you wanted a place to stay. Look at you now, huh… I just hope you can stay this way, keep your determination and your hope, I don’t know if what you’re trying to do is even possible…)
***
The sweltering heat of Hotland is all-encompassing as you make your way along the stone path, the large pool of magma stretching out to your right with The CORE plunked right in the middle of it. Always a little uncomfortable coming through here with that sweater of yours. Not that I can critique your choices in clothing, though.
You stop midway along the path and turn and look at The CORE.
(I’ve been doing my narration schtick as usual, but I’ve been kind of tense since the statue in Waterfall… Maybe it’s time for a good-natured joke.)
“Hey, Frisk,” I nudge you mentally, “you ever think about jumping in there?” I ask, referring to the large pool of magma.
You roll your eyes at me. “Uh, yeah, obviously.” I raise a figurative eyebrow at you. “Not like I’m going to though. Too hot for a bath, don’t wanna become Frisk Soup today.”
I chuckle at that. “Also the magical platforms that save you if you fall.”
“Oh yeah, also that.” We’re both giggling a little now.
After a moment though you cross your arms and put your hand on your chin thoughtfully as you survey the familiar scene before us. “Hey, Chara. You know Gaster?”
“Uh, yeah…?” I have no idea where you’re going to go with this question, but I hope nowhere too personal about my past.
“… What do you think was his creation that he fell into…? Was it The CORE?”
“The CORE?” I echoed, “hmmm. Lots of places to fall into in and around it I suppose. All the magma that feeds it, and then all the glow-y foggy stuff inside… It’s certainly magical as heck in order to generate magical power, obviously, but I’ve never heard of a reason for it to have the power to shatter someone across time and space…? Not like I know that much about it though… it’s not my specialty,” I sniff.
“And you’re not even a scientist. And you’re like thirteen.”
“I suppose,” I say, doing the mental equivalent of looking at my fingernails. “You’re like, twelve though? So don’t get on my case about it.”
“Hmm, I suppose,” you say in mockery. We manage to last two seconds before smiling at each other and giggling again.
…
(Perhaps it would be constructive to inform Frisk more about what I know of the machines in The True Lab… Well… Maybe one of these resets if it becomes relevant. We’ll see.)
***
Your quiet footfalls across the wooden floorboards make some of the only sound to be heard in the house right now. The white and grey colour scheme lends a feeling like an old photograph. It’s so quiet, no one happens to be visiting at this time, and Asgore spends so much time in the garden taking care of the flowers. I clench your fists unconsciously.
“Before we get the keys and your stuff, is there anything in particular you’d like to see this time, Chara?”
“… The teacups. In the cupboard in the kitchen.”
You nod, and smile, and take us over there.
You reach up on your tip-toes and open the cupboard doors. Inside are plates, bowls, and a collection of painted teacups, all sitting on a yellow checkered cloth. I mentally indicate which one I want and you pick it up for me and bring it down. It’s white porcelain with a soft green and yellow floral design on it. I can feel the weight and coolness in your hands.
I remember sitting at the big table, beside Asriel on the long side, mom and dad on both ends. Sometimes, an hour or so after dinner, the family would have tea together. And I was always invited (But it was okay if I didn’t go, and stayed in our room instead). My brother and I would have herbal teas, I liked the floral ones. I remember mostly listening, to the warm happy conversation of a family (My family, I’d only just barely been able to accept that). Listening to the low, comforting sounds of talking back and forth between our parents, my brother’s bright, excited additions to the conversation, it’s a memory that is unspeakably precious to me now. I would occasionally be asked to join in with my thoughts on something, or how I’ve been doing, but never pressured to talk more than I wanted. Everything was always gentle encouragement but never forcing me into anything I wasn’t comfortable with yet (The kindness was overwhelming, I’ll never be able to pay it back in full).
I remember Asriel nudging me under the table, passing me a folded-up note while our parents were talking. A promise in his handwriting to show me a new secret hide-away, along with a little doodle of us.
We smiled at each other then, and I can feel myself smiling now, my emotions soaking over to Frisk’s body across the soul that we share.
“It must be a good memory,” Frisk thinks to me.
“Mhm, it is,” is all I respond.
I blink the tears out of Frisk’s eyes, coming back to the present. I look around the empty kitchen and feel us in an empty house. The reality is still there, my family is scattered; my brother and I died, and mom and dad at complete opposite ends of The Underground. And it’s my fault.
I look at the teacup in your hands and think about if we were to drop it how it would shatter. I think about how once we reset it would be back together, back on the shelf. I think about Flowey.
I don’t think about the warm mental waves of comfort that you’re sending me, or how you’ve lowered your trembling body to the ground in a crouch and are rocking us back and forth soothingly. I don’t think about how I failed to make my thoughts as private as I would have liked.
“Hey, Chara, it’s not your fault, okay? You’ll be okay, we’ll get your family together again properly, I promise. I’m not going to stop trying. It’ll be okay…” I listen to you go on with your reassurances. I’m appreciative for it. It takes a minute but I manage to even out our breathing which I hadn’t noticed had become slightly frantic. “…Your family loves you, they would never blame you for anything.”
I gaze out the kitchen doorway at the family dining table, focussing on the details of what I can see. I take the biggest inhale and let out the biggest sigh possible, and send you a mental thumbs-up. I take all my feelings of guilt and failure, and I take all my feelings of belonging and love from my memory, and I try to hold them between your hands in this teacup.
After insisting repeatedly that I’m okay enough for us to get up, you do get us up, and return the teacup back to the shelf we found it on.
“Alright Frisk, you lead the way. Let’s get to seeing Asgore soon though, I still feel like I’m suffocating a little bit from all of this memory and feelings and junk.” (And the empty house and the quiet and how I’m not going to cry more I just need to get moving). “It’ll be nice to see him again, even if he’s… going to try to kill us— oh geez we’re on a rollercoaster until the end huh.”
You grab the key from the kitchen and add it to your keychain, and then set off in a little jog out through the dining and living room to the hallway. “Not true! We’ll have a nice event with Alphys and Undyne set up! Courtesy of Papyrus and his Flowery Friend.” You do a little smile at me. I do a little mental eye-roll at you, but smile too.
“Thanks for your help Frisk, you’re a real life saver.”
“Hehe, shucks Chara, anytime.” You add the hallway key to your keychain as well. You linger outside the door to me and Asriel’s bedroom, as if asking if I’m ready. I signal an affirmative and you open the door.
Two neatly wrapped presents, as always. “Thank you Flowey,” I say in a slightly teasing but affectionate tone. You sit down cross-legged to open up the two gifts. My heart-shaped locket and rusty knife, best comfort items I could ask for.
…
Before you can get up off the floor, I speak up and think at you “You know Frisk. You’re putting a lot of burden on yourself for me. This… mission that you’ve taken upon yourself for me and my brother’s sake. I’m grateful, very much so. But I want to make sure you know you can rely on me too, you can ask for help, I’m here if you need to talk about anything… I feel like it’s been a few resets since we’ve visited the quiche room—”
“Ha—! Chara, you’re hilarious. You know I’m always okay!”
“That’s… not true.” I’m a bit surprised at your sudden reaction.
Perhaps realizing that that sounded slightly forced you wiggle awkwardly in place and try again. “Well, I may have climbed a mountain that it’s said people disappear on, that’s true. But! I’ve made so many friends, and I have a new family now! It’s all so bright and colourful, and I’m so happy to have ended up here. This journey together through The Underground, meeting everyone… There were tough parts, but finding out how kind monsters can are…! And then the catharsis at the end, I couldn’t ask for more.”
“Okay, but… This has all happened, according to both of us and what we can remember, uncountable times since the first. How is it going enjoying being with your new family when we keep leaving everything and going back to the start?”
“I—,” You sound taken aback, “there was a time I stayed with them on the surface for a while!!!”
“And then you came to me begging for me to reset again, because you couldn’t bear not having gotten the perfectest, best, most happy ending! Because you need to be the best, most perfect kid possible, and you need to be everyone’s hero!!!” … I stop, realized that was maybe a bit harsh. And that I might have accidentally said all that out loud with your mouth.
I slump and let go of your body. “I’m sorry, Frisk. I’m going to say it outright, which is hard for me; but you really do remind me of myself, and not in a good way. I don’t want you destroying yourself over trying to save everyone. I can’t make you stop, and I’m not going to abandon you, we’re partners in this; but I just want you to know that it’s okay to ask for help. Will you remember that? Please?”
“…Yeah, I’ll do my best.”
Shoot. You sound kind of broken-hearted.
“I’m really sorry Frisk. I’m just. Scared for you. But I shouldn’t say things like that. It’s not your fault. I love you, Frisk, you’re the best sibling I could ask for. Or, well, tied for first place. I hope you understand.”
You giggle a little bit. “You too Chara. I never thought I would have a family like you, and Asriel, and Toriel and Asgore… I love you too. And I guess you’re right. Maybe I do have problems.” You’ve leaned back from your cross-legged position and are now lying on the floor. “And you’re the last person I should be hiding from. We share a soul. So it’s kinda silly.”
“It’s not silly, but… I see what you mean.” We smile at each other again.
You tilt your head back, peering under my bed. “Hey Chara! You want anything from under here? Oh—, woah… I never realized how cluttered it is under here…”
“No, thank you, Frisk. I’m good,” I laugh. And I do feel good for now actually. “I can collect my things once I have my body back. And it’s cluttered because eventually I was no longer hiding under there all the time.” I chuckle a little and you beam an absolutely radiant and sappy smile at me.
Even if you’re hell-bent on repeating my past mistakes, I’ll be right there with you the whole way.
After your lovely commentary on how I keep my side of the room, we’re ready to get up and continue on our way. We a brief look around in Asgore’s room, head back out to the middle of the house, and then turn to make our way down the stairs. Just as you’re about to step down, we both notice something yellow out of the corner of your eye. You turn your head, and there’s Flowey, in the front doorway of the house. He looks at us, and we look at him, and then he burrows away into the ground.
***
Streaks and splashes of colour and light fill the world around you. Like a thousand prisms broke open and spilled their rainbows. Stars rain down like the sky was falling. The world is ending. Again.
We hug Asriel tightly.
***
“Frisk… Don’t you have anything better to do?”
Asriel twists around a little to look at you from where he’s kneeling in front of the golden flowers, having sat down when he thought you were leaving. His small look of surprise changes to a pinched brow as you sit down beside him. You cross your legs and start running your fingers over the flowers, both of you bathed in golden light from the late afternoon sun.
Asriel settles back into his previous position, resting his paws on the soil on either side of his knees, looking down at the flowers, up at the hole in the ceiling, and then sideways at you. He gives a little sigh.
“I guess you can stay here a little longer, just… not too long, okay?”
You nod a little at him. A minute or two passes.
“You know Frisk, I don’t know everything that’s going on with you… The Barrier has broken and monsters can go free, but it’s okay if you still have your own problems.” He shuffles nervously. “I hope you know it’s okay to ask for help out there; you have a new family who really loves you! Of course you could tell me about anything, but… it’s just that I’m going to be a flower again soon… But you should tell Toriel, Asgore, or even Papyrus if there’s something on your mind!”
“I will”, you sign, and smile.
When you get up to go, I manage to quietly mumble out “See you later, Asriel.”
***
“ …
I’m sorry.
You’ve probably heard this a hundred times already, haven’t you…?
…
Well, that’s all—”
“Wait”
“Wait? You want me to wait?”
“I have— I have heard it. A hundred times before.”
“Hah, and what, you want to gloat about it…?”
“No, you’re right. It’s been too many. I want to ask for help. I couldn’t ask for help when I was still alive, but I’m doing it now. And I know you want us to let Frisk go, but Frisk is too, we’re asking for help.”
“… You and me both,” Flowey smiles ruefully, “what do you want me to do about it though?”
“Nothing right now, I just. Thought you should know. Keep the family in the loop whenever we can and all. We’ll talk after the reset, okay? Try not to attack us right away.” I smile back.
“Haha, well, no promises. I don’t know what you two are up to yet, and I can’t say I’m pleased it’s taken this many resets, but. I guess I’ll look forward to being filled in, in the past.” He scoffs a little. “See you soon, Chara.”
I take a ghostly breath, clench my fists, and fall back.
***
You open your eyes and see the morning light filtering down from the hole above us, filling the cavern around us, and dancing on the golden flowers cradling your body. Motes of dust drift through the air.
You sit up and rub your eyes, looking around. Flowers, crumbling pillars, and an entranceway before us.
Just beyond that entranceway, Flowey is straining to hear what’s going on in the room he just ran away from when a human fell into it. Farther than that, a grey door stands stark against a rocky wall of Waterfall. A clam monster is waiting to gossip about her neighbour’s daughter. The Underground is still full of mysteries to discover, people to meet, and things to do. I know we’ll find a way forward, together.
#No this didn't really come together into a cohesive story but yes I will post it anyways#Yes the title is just what I named the document and then I didn't come up with a better one#Undertale#safeutdr#safe-utdr#Undertale fics#Undertale fanfiction#Frisk Dreemurr#Chara Dreemurr#Asriel Dreemurr#Don't interact if you're going to be a weirdo in general#Pro-shippers stay away or else#(the knife)
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Imagine if Sunny (Omori) was in Chara's spot (Undertale). Just think about it...
Sunny manages to run away from the recital argument. In tears, he runs upset and angry away to the mountain to hide away. Maybe at that moment he feels like he wants to disappear, and he knows the legend of the mountain is that people disappear.
Sunny is upset with himself, with how he could never be enough. He was angry at Mari for supposedly being so perfect, for pushing him so hard. And so Sunny's own version of hating humanity began to grow. That he thought he was forced to do things, stay away from friends and practice, that he had to be PERFECT and PROPER and OBEDIENT. And he started to resent Mari for being perfect, resenting her for pushing him to be perfect, resenting her for being strict and angry and expecting so much.
When he gets to the cave, he didn't mean to trip and fall. But when he did, he accepted his fate in that moment. He never expected to survive the fall, though injured.
When Asriel found him, Sunny was in a daze. His head hurt and it all felt like a fever dream. But when he eventually became more conscious and made it to Asriel's home, he was TERRIFIED. While his injuries were healed and patched up, he hid away in the house. But of course, Sunny would come to fear the Dreemurrs less.
Sunny and Asriel would become brothers! After spending plenty of time there, Sunny was soon adopted. He felt at home. Was it perfect? No. But he felt comfortable. Asriel and Sunny were very close, not just because Asriel already didn't have many friends. Sunny was quiet, he was a good listener. They drew together and read books and played in the garden. Sunny didn't talk too much about his home on the surface, but Asriel respected his privacy. Asriel thought Sunny was very cool, and Sunny loved Asriel as a brother very much. He would sneak into his bed if he had a nightmare.
Toriel was a doting mother, though she of course wasn't perfect and didn't know quite how to raise Sunny at first. But she always made sure he felt loved. Asgore treated Sunny like his own child from the beginning, giving him bear hugs and sharing tea. Sunny was away from all his stress, and now lived in a fantastical world with a fairytale family.
He probably lived with them longer than Chara. Getting there when he was 12, he at least stayed until he was 15 before... Sunny wanted to give back. It wasn't fair that the monsters were stuck underground where they could never see the sun. Sunny was supposed to be an Angel of sorts. He felt like he had to do something.
So, Asriel and Sunny formed a plan they were both hesitant about. Sunny would die, Asriel would take his soul and absorb it, and they would cross the barrier to the surface. And they did. They planned to visit a hospital where people were already dying, and they would get the souls they needed. But then they passed by Sunny's old friends. Sunny, in this state, was angry. He couldn't help himself, and he lashed out.
Asriel did his best to hold Sunny back, both of them in tears. In the end, they hugged in their shared mind space and promised to go home. But Asriel was already too injured from humans fighting back.
When they returned to the underground, Asriel faded to dust and Sunny's consciousness fell into a deep slumber.
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And then ghost Sunny shenanigans with Frisk?! I think it'd be funny if Frisk was like. Hero and Mari's future kid or grand kid.
Anyway I like this idea a lot, feel free to reblog with your own inputs haha
#sock talk#omori#omori au#omori sunny#undertale#undertale au#undertale asriel#undertale toriel#undertale asgore#omori mari
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