#i hate posts that r like 'oh mike and will would come out to steve' NOT THYE WOULDNT

[sadboyhrs]

Steve is the best ally-

Steve supports Nancy-

Steve is a great big brother figure-

Steve would always protect the kids-

Steve is a good fighter-

Hopper loves Steve like a son-

[sexybabystevie]

Just saw your post about b/ler and their stans hating on everyone and I have to agree.

Like, I don't mind discussing little theories, but the way they go about things it's super annoying. Like the whole blue meets yellow in the west shit like that was a thing for scoops. idk why you make it about b/ler. Or saying Mike dressed up in yellow at the airport for Will when El's favorite color is also yellow. When they complain about other characters having screentime, I have to laugh because they manage to make anything about that ship anyway, so it shouldn't matter so much in the end. They act like this ship is the foundation of the show when Will is barely a real character because he doesn't even have a personality other than the gay kid who disappeared. And the fandom hardly develops his character because his relationship with Mike is the only thing they talk about. (And before ppl complain, other characters are underdeveloped as well, but I don't put them on a pedestal and call them the main character of the show like they do with Will)

Their treatment of El in all of this is the most upsetting part. Similar to Steve, she isn't allowed to be hurt or upset if others do something (aka r/nance, b/ler). Like they should all be super supportive allys, and if they are upset, they are deemed as homophobic or terrible friends.

I think the saddest part what i've read about b/ler was people insisting that Mike never loved El and had always feelings for Will, which is so cruel? In general, making m/leven important to Mike is not a thing in the b/ler fandom because they don't want Mike to be bi, which idk what the problem is with that. I just think they are scared that Mike is still interested in girls is threatening their ship or whatever.

Anyway, what I also hate when discussing b/ler is that they simply make El a lesbian in order so she doesn't feel bad instead of letting her deal with complicated feelings. Like in s4, Mike's inability to say he loves her clearly upsets El, meaning she does have feelings for Mike that are beyond a friendship level. It's also weird that they take away El's agency and reduce her to this abused child who doesn't know about anything so she shouldn't be in a relationship because she can't know what love is. (Ignoring s2 and her learning throughout the tv about the world and feelings and making her own decision regarding that part.) If we go that route non of the kids should know about love bc they are all traumatised and fucking 14 lol. And then they break up lumax so Max and El are together and everyone is happy? (Forgetting about Lucas) Also, idk crossdating within a friend group is so messy, but people just take the complicated parts out.

Also, what I found not discussed enough is the Will and El relationship. Like yes, Will likes Mike, but El is his sister. He also loves her. And tbh I think he would have reservations about dating his sisters ex-boyfriend because he cares about her. Maybe El gives them their blessing, but Will would know that she's hurting, so he might not follow through because he values the sibling bond with El more.

In general, I hate when there are ships that have to be so clean and liked by every character that is around. They don't exist in a vaccum, other people esp those who have close relationships with the people in those ships (ex-partners, best friends, siblings etc) might have negative reactions to it which is fine. That doesn’t mean they are homophobic it means they feel betrayed by a friend or sibling who dates their ex they loved for a very long time.

I like the theory of b/ler, but people take out the complexities that come with the ship. And then when you point them out, you're the worst person on earth, and your fave deserves to die. (esp Steve)

(Sorry, this is long. You don't have to answer. I just needed to vent a bit)

oh my gosh, no worries at all about this being on the longer side of asks! i don't mind at all and actually really like talking about this stuff and you brought up so many good points! since this is longer, though, i'm gonna put my thoughts under the cut <3

firstly, the theories CAN be fun. emphasis on can because they aren't anymore. b/lers make it clear that you pretty much have to agree with every single point they make, treating every single detail as canon rather than a theory, and it's exhausting. some of the ones i read a while back were genuinely interesting and fun! but when you take away the actual idea of it being a theory and just insist upon it being the truth, then going as far to call other people who don't agree/who are skeptical stupid or homophobic or some other name they come up with, then it makes people not want to interact with you.

i'm gonna be really honest here and say that i think all this stuff about blue and yellow is really ridiculous. i mean, they're quite literally colors. not saying there's no literary meaning to colors, but implying that every time we see blue and yellow in the show is some secret b/ler symbolism is just... so bizarre. (again, this could have been a fun little thing, but they take everything SO seriously and are such negative people that any amount of enjoyment is immediately stripped away just because you can't even have a civil disagreement with them without getting accused of being homophobic or without getting loads of anon hate.)

you said "When they complain about other characters having screentime, I have to laugh because they manage to make anything about that ship anyway, so it shouldn't matter so much in the end." and THANK YOU for wording that so well. this is what i've been trying to say for a while now, but i couldn't word it correctly. b/lers go out and make every single hint of foreshadowing, every single character and their personalities or arcs all about mike and will (because they for some reason are convinced this show is just a massive great love story for the two of them, and to that i have to say that this show has an ensemble cast. the other characters will and SHOULD have their own personalities, arcs, etc, that do NOT tie into b/ler) so why should it be a problem that a character is gaining popularity? if everything really is about b/ler like they claim then it should be no big deal to assume that this completely unrelated character exists entirely for the sake of your ship, right? it's honestly ridiculous.

also, yeah, will is barely even a character. he barely has any screentime that's spent creating his character, despite the fact that i think he's an essential point to the show. he's more of a plotline than a person, and i think blaming anyone other than the duffers for that makes no sense. fictional characters don't write themselves??

as for treatment of el, i made a post forever ago the parallels between steve and el as characters, and i think that goes for here too. they're both essential characters at this point, they're heroes, but even still b/lers treat both of them terribly. with el, it's pushing her to the side, dehumanizing her in a very ableist way, etc, and with steve, its much the same. dehumanizing, pushing him to the side, not allowing either of these characters to have feelings about their best friends/close friends dating their exes, and its just not realistic and its also weird. to enjoy a ship is one thing, but to push it onto everyone else and actively hate on other people who don't like it (which, by the way, you literally do not have to have "valid reason" to dislike a ship. you can just not like/hate it and that should be fine!!!) is immature and exhausting.

interestingly enough, i think b/lers mainly view el and steve the same way - an "overrrated" character, probably some part of why they hate the "general audience"/"fanservice", and, interestingly, i think there's also this idea that they're both basic in some way. like, steve is the "basic" straight white guy (idk why there's anything wrong with that??) and el is either a misinformed, confused lesbian or a pathetic straight girl too and its... so exhausting as well because characters can be queer without having to be mike and will!!! (and in the view of el they can also be queer without breaking up other important ships just for the sake of b/ler??) the amount of times i see people say that people are homophobic for having steve or el as their favorites is just... why? like, going on some kind of homophobia-yelling witch hunt isn't going to make anyone like you or your ship that you're so heavily promoting.

and with mike, i've seen some people (the more tolerable ones, i think) say he's bi while others insist he has no attraction to girls whatsoever, and i don't know, i think people read into it too much just to go and discredit el's relationship with him. if they can go and say, "oh, their relationship wasn't important to mike OR el so now we win!!" then they can convince themselves that b/ler is endgame, everything is happy for them, there are no problems, etc, which, again, is unrealistic. breakups are messy even if both parties were not to feel romantically about the other, and especially when you're gonna go and date someone in your group again. like, i've personally seen situations like that entirely destroy friend groups, time and time again, but let's ignore that for the sake of b/ler!

(also side point that goes along with what you're saying - they're literally 14!! i think so many people forget that since the actors look older or whatever, but like... they're children.)

the will and el relationship is always ignored and never talked about because it doesn't fit in the b/ler agenda (unless they assume that el is a lesbian and therefore doesn't care about will going on to date mike). which honestly is a shame because i love their dynamic but i also would rather not hear thoughts about that from b/lers anyway, but regardless it's a major plothole in their plans that they all just totally ignore because the only solutions to it are severely out of character.

i honestly don't think there's anything wrong with shipping m/leven or b/ler, if you're not insane about it. the b/lers heavily despise people who ship mike and eleven and go on to call them homophobic (are we sensing a trend here?) or whatever else, and i honestly haven't seen enough m/leven shippers here to know what they're doing so i won't put words into their mouth or whatever. either way, there's this general distaste and shunning that happens of anyone who doesn't like b/ler or ships something else and i'm personally so tired of it. i don't ship either of these because i just don't care that much (and also these people ruined it for me) but shipping m/leven does not make you inherently homophobic, and shipping b/ler does not automatically make you annoying in the way that most of them are.

now that i've kinda covered your thoughts, i want to add a few more points of my own that i think of every time this situation arises.

one, i think a large chunk of the toxicity of the b/ler community comes down to the fact that they worship the ground the duffers walk on. and this is a general thing that a lot of people and some of the media do, where they dramatize how good the show is and hype it up to be some untouchable, perfect series, which is far from the truth. they're convinced the duffers are on their side (b/ler endgame) and thus can do no wrong. (also a very weird way to act when they go and hate every other character CREATED by the duffers - but oh no! they didn't do it because they wanted to or because they like other characters too, it's all because of the general audience and how they just fuck everything up!!).

which, this is just setting them all up for failure. no one is getting this perfect dream of an ending, and i think if anyone knows this, it's the steve fans. we are painfully aware of the fact that our fave will either die or will have some shitty ending that none of us want, and b/lers are on the other side of the spectrum where they think everything will end perfectly for them, and you're just setting yourself up for colossal disappointment. every little hidden clue or theory that you've come up with is not going to be true, every bit of "foreshadowing" isn't going to pan out, and that's just a fact. the duffers simply are not as good as these people want to think lol.

secondly, i think the treatment of el and steve is also very similar in the viewing of their love triangles. there's st/ncy vs j/ncy and m/leven vs b/ler, and in both of these situations, everything is always one person's fault when people don't get their way - el and steve. if j/ncy happens and steve's fine with it, then people have to talk about how shitty of a boyfriend he supposedly was. if j/ncy happens and steve's upset, then it's on him for, again, being shitty and "deserving" to be alone. if st/ncy happens then it's steve's fault for having feelings or being a popular character or some other bullshit that makes no sense. and in the case of el, will and mike, it's the same. b/ler happens and el's upset, it's her fault for caring about her boyfriend. b/ler happens and el isn't upset, it's her fault for NOT caring. m/leven happens, then el is primarily the problem because SHE loves mike and cares about mike and "only gets all these things because she is a popular character."

overall, it's just pointing fingers, making excuses, and acting like babies 24/7 until they cry enough to get their way, honestly.

[formerlyjannafaye]

Hide & Seek

Hi everyone! Here is my contribution for Stories for Summer! I didn’t have time to bring my whole idea to fruition so I have decided to break it up into 3 parts and an epilogue, which will be posted as they are completed. The themes in the story will all tie together in the end. Enjoy part 1 of 4! It is truly an honor to be a part of this project!

Prompt: the party plays hide and go seek in the woods

Read it on AO3.

"I hate this game."

Dustin slapped another mosquito that had been feasting on his neck and sighed. He really shouldn't complain, he was the one to suggest it after all. It was too hot in the Byers’ house, and the humidity held a tension in the air that was stifling, oppressive even, and made everyone just lay around looking tired and strained.

So he had opened his big mouth and said, Hey guys, let’s play hide and seek! He hoped it would remind him of his childhood, when things were simpler but instead he just felt alone, sweaty and itchy. Moron.

He had so been looking forward to today – the first day the party had all been together in weeks. Even though they were fiercely dedicated to spending as much time together as possible during the summer, things came up that took them away from each other. Dustin was feeling this distance the most, having been visiting his aunt and cousins in the city for the last week, and was at science camp with Lucas the week before that.

Ugh. Science camp. Dustin didn’t even want to think about it. He loved camp, he really did, and he looked forward to it every year. Not only because it was a week-long curiosity voyage, but because he got to spend the week with Lucas – doing science experiments, geeking out over the equipment in the tech lab, and whooping the younger campers’ asses in ping pong every evening.

But this year was different. Lucas had been so weird the whole week, and had spent most of their evenings on the phone with Max when normally he would be hanging out in the lounge. Dustin had to play singles ping pong, and it just wasn’t as fun (nor was he as good alone, it seemed). Between the weird week at camp and the extra week away with family, Dustin felt more isolated from the group and desperate to connect than ever before.

And yet, here he was in the woods, alone, his friends scattered who knows where in the forest behind the Byers’ house.

Dustin slapped at another mosquito before removing his hat to wipe the sweat off his brow. Why was it so hot? The humidity was positively stifling, making his hike through the forest even more oppressive and discouraging than he could have imagined.

Where was everybody? Playing hide and seek seemed like an even stupider idea every minute. This forest was huge, and everyone had run off before he was done establishing boundaries. Mike and El were likely hiding together, and with the way those two were always looking gooey eyed at each other, did he even want to find them? They were probably hiding together and doing I don’t even wanna know what else. And Lucas was likely with Max.

Was Will alone? Will had been quieter and more withdrawn today than he had in a while. Maybe something had happened while he was away that set Will off. Did he have a panic attack again? Dustin had wanted to ask him about it, but he knew Will hated being babied more than anything else so he had kept his mouth shut. Now he was wondering if Will was having as much fun as he was in this stupid forest playing this stupid children’s game.

Oh, shit. I hope Will is okay. Man, I really am a moron.

Dustin froze as a branch snapped somewhere up ahead to his left.

“Will?” he called out, hesitantly.

He made his way closer to the bush where the sound had come from. “Will?” he asked again, feeling his heart pound, unable to stop himself from picturing how his friend had looked the last time he had a panic attack – pale, terrified, and small, so small.

He quickened his pace and broadened his strides when suddenly something flew out of the bush, causing him to stumble backwards and trip over a tree root. The mocking laugh of a crow called out above him as Dustin twisted on his way down and slammed his knees and forearms into the ground.

“Ow! Damn it!” he yelped, his heart still pounding from the adrenaline.

Too sore and hot to move, he stayed splayed out on the grass, knees and elbows stinging. Something crawled over his leg, tickling the back of his knee in the worst way. I’ve probably got poison ivy all over by now, he thought pitifully.

"This is where I die," he declared dramatically. "Alone, unseen, and unloved."

"That's a little dramatic even for you, Henderson," said a voice from somewhere. Dustin lazily turned his head to the side to spot a pair of binoculars and a camo bandana in the tree above.

Dustin rolled onto his back. "You're in the tree?! What the hell?! Lucas, how am I supposed to see you up there?"

"You're not," Lucas quipped, "that's why the game is called HIDE and seek. Hide. And seek. I hide, you seek..."

"Yeah okay I get it," Dustin cut in, wincing slightly and pushing himself up to a sitting position. "Ooh, is Max up there too? Max and Lucas sitting in a tree, k-i-s ouch!"

A small rock clocked him on the head, ending his song, before two sneakered feet dropped onto the ground beside him.

"It's just me, dumbass. Max and I don't do everything together."

"You coulda fooled me," Dustin muttered under his breath.

Lucas sighed and sat down beside Dustin, leaning his back against the tree. "Come on man. What's up?"

Dustin turned and looked away. "Nothing.”

Lucas sighed again, deeper this time. “Seriously, man, I have more rocks. Don’t make me beat it out of you – I doubt your brain could handle any more damage.”

Dustin didn’t give in to the taunt, his tone biting. “I’m fine.”

“Not even,” Lucas huffed.

“Even!” Dustin retorted.

“Not. Even.”

Lucas took Dustin’s hat off his head and slipped it onto his own, looking at Dustin smugly, his arms crossed over his chest. Something about seeing his friend looking cool, un-mosquito bitten and content pushed Dustin over the edge, as irrational as it was.

“Fine! You wanna know what’s wrong, Lucas? You wanna know what’s up?” Dustin yanked the hat off Lucas’ head and threw it at the ground in disgust. “This stupid forest! These stupid mosquitoes! That damn crow! And while we’re at it, you ditching me! Mike ditching me! Steve ditching - everyone ditching me, this whole stupid summer!”

Lucas sat in a semi-stunned silence. He opened his mouth to speak and then reconsidered, taking a deep breath first. “Dustin…”

“Whatever man, I should just get used to it. This the new normal, right? Steve will go off to college. School will start and then I'm going to be the only one getting laughed at by girls while you and Mike suck face with your girlfriends all day." Dustin deflated then, hugging his knees to his chest, still not looking at his friend.

A moment passed between them before Lucas exhaled, leaning his head back against the tree, eyes trained to the sky above them. “Look man, I’ve been waiting for you to get back since camp ended so I could tell you – so I could say…look, man, I’m sorry. What I did was not cool. I, well I blew you off and that wasn’t cool.”

Dustin let out something between a huff and a sniffle and hurriedly smashed an ungentle hand across his eyes, blinking quickly. Finally he turned to look at Lucas, his eyes slightly bleary.

“It wasn’t cool. I thought we’d have fun, you know, the two of us. But instead I just felt like a loser.”

“I’m sorry,” Lucas said again, his voice and face sincere. “I was distracted and, well, you were always surrounded by people so I thought you were fine.”

“Pfft,” Dustin scoffed. “By who, the baby nerds?”

“Yeah, that little posse of kids who surrounded you day and night.” Lucas clasped his hands together and trilled in a sing song voice, “Dustin, tell us more about portals to other dimensions! Dustin, show us a picture of your girlfriend!”

Dustin blanched. “Man, you can not tell Mike about that…”

“Why did you have a picture of Nancy in your wallet anyway?”

“Shut up!”

Dustin punched his friend in the arm before straightening his shoulders and attempting to eye Lucas coolly. “I’m still mad at you, by the way. Quit distracting me with flattery.”

“Flattery?!”

“Yes, flattery. To those kids I was like their god!” Dustin smiled despite himself.

The air was heavy between them, but this time from humidity more than tension. The sunlight that had peeked through the trees only moments earlier had started to disappear, and the darkened atmosphere made Dustin feel brave enough to say what he said next.

“Everything is changing. Next year we’re at the bottom of the food chain – new teachers, new classes, new AV club. No AV club? I don’t know,” he played with the brim of his hat distractedly. “And like, Steve won’t be there anymore, so I feel like our only chance at protection from the same fate that we had all through middle school is gone.”

Lucas frowned at the grass in front of them slightly, his forearms resting on his knees.

“I just feel like its all coming so fast – summer will be done before we know it, and then…BAM. Life as we know it, over,” Dustin concluded.

Lucas was silent for a moment, thinking over his words before he said them.

“Dustin, everything is not changing.”

“…did you seriously not hear anything I just said? EVERYTHING is changing!”

“No, its not.”

“Seriously Lucas? Oh my God, you’re so dumb, its like talking to a tree. Maybe I should talk to this tree, it probably has more common sense…”

“Okay, okay, OKAY! Will you just shut up for a minute?” Lucas said loudly, exasperated. Dustin slumped back towards the tree and rolled his eyes.

“Okay, yes, everything is changing. Too many things have already changed,” Lucas reasoned. “Everything except what's important. The party is still a party. And party members are here for each other. Always.”

It was Dustin’s turn to sigh heavily.

Lucas tried again. “Listen, man. I’m sorry. I let a party member down, and I feel really awful. I ditched you, and I’m sorry, and I wanna own up to it and make it right.”

Lucas stuck his hand out toward Dustin, his eyes hopeful. Dustin kept his arms across his chest and eyed Lucas warily.

“I promise I’ll explain, I owe you that, I just…could you just shake my hand, please?”

Dustin’s resolve was already wavering. He hated fighting with his friends. Bickering, well, that was a natural occurrence and honestly a sign of affection between them, but real fighting? It just wasn’t in him. He was just relieved that Lucas was actually apologizing. Before he knew it, he reached out to shake Lucas’ hand firmly, nodding as he did so.

Relief flooded Lucas’ face. As their handshake ended, he kicked his long legs out in front of him on the grass, his expression suddenly turning morose.

Without looking at Dustin, he quietly spoke. “The weekend before we left for camp, Max’s stepdad saw us saying goodbye for the week. He was mad – really mad – and even though Max said he’s never hurt her, her eyes looked so scared.”

Dustin looked at his friend, his mouth opening in shock at what he was saying. Lucas still hadn’t looked up from the ground.

“I just wanted to call her because I was worried. I wanted to know she was okay and she kept saying she was but I think she was lying. She didn’t even talk to me very long when I called, so I had to keep calling Hopper and beg him to find out from El whether or not Max was actually okay. That’s why I was on the phone so long every time.”

Dustin swallowed, processing this information. “Is she okay? Did her dad, did he-?”

Lucas shook his head. “I don’t think so. El told me she was okay, and I believe her. She’s a stickler for the truth.” He bit his lip. “I don’t know. Max looks fine, but she’s been acting really weird since I got back. I think she might,” he swallowed hard and looked defeated. “I think she might break up with me.”

“Because of her stepdad?” Dustin asked. “Because he doesn’t like you because you’re…”

“Black?”

“I was going to say roguishly handsome,” Dustin offered with an impish grin.

Lucas threw a handful of grass at him, but still looked serious.

Dustin considered what he knew of his friend Max. She was brave, clever, and untameable, with a rebel streak as fiery as her red hair. “There’s no way Max would dump you because of that. She’s not like that,” he reasoned.

"I don't know man. I don’t know what to think. I mean, the other day at the movies she wouldn't even hold my hand until it went dark in the theatre. Like she was embarrassed or nervous or…” Lucas shrugged his shoulders. “I don't know what's going on. Sometimes I wonder how long she'll even like me, or if she still does."

Dustin didn’t know that to do, so he put his hand on Lucas’ shoulder in what he hoped was a comforting gesture, giving his shoulder a quick squeeze. “Have you talked to Max about all this?”

Lucas shook his head, and Dustin quickly smacked his arm, hard. “Ow! Dustin! What the hell?”

“Talk to her, you idiot!” Dustin boomed incredulously. “Seriously, dude, you pulled a Mike and called her every day of the best week of your summer. You care about her. So talk to her!” Dustin thought fondly to some advice he overheard Nancy giving Steve about the new lifeguard at the pool. “She’s not a mind reader!” (in many ways, Nancy was better at advice than Steve, bless him.)

Thunder boomed in the distance, punctuating Dustin’s point and causing Lucas to look up from the pile of grass he had absentmindedly been making. “I know. I know. I’ve just been putting it off because what if she, you know, dumps me? Then what?”

“Then, we figure it out.” Dustin scratched at his shin, the most recent body part to be a victim of a mosquito attack. “It might be suuuuuper awkward but, the party stays together. I mean, if we figured out how to include a telekinetic ‘weirdo’ into the group, we can navigate this. I got your back, man.”

Lucas sighed with resolve, and smiled as a memory came to mind.

“We stick together, no matter what,” he said, catching Dustin’s eye.

Dustin smiled at hearing his own words from long ago echoed back to him. He knew that even though everything was changing, even though he sometimes felt like he was getting left behind, even though Lucas and Max were uncertain, even as high school loomed closer and he was destined to be a loser and a nerd the rest of his life, he knew that he would be okay. That they would all be okay. Because they would get through it like they always did – together.

Suddenly, Lucas slapped Dustin hard on the back, nearly knocking the wind out of him.

“Lucas! Son of a BITCH…”

“Sorry,” Lucas grinned. “Mosquito.”

Dustin dove at him, tackling him to the ground and immediately regretted it as Lucas smoothly wiggled out of his grasp and put him in some kind of choke hold, rendering him useless.

“Uncle! Uncle!” Dustin gasped even though it didn’t hurt, flailing his arms until Lucas laughed and released him.

Thunder cracked loudly across the sky and suddenly, it began to rain. Dustin looked up at the sky and let the rain wash over him, reveling in its coolness.

“We’d better get back,” Lucas said, dusting his palms on his shorts before holding them open in front of him as if to inspect how hard it was raining. After taking a few steps he elbowed Dustin and said, “Hey, wanna go to the arcade tomorrow? Just us?”

A massive smile split Dustin’s face. “You paying? Cause I think you owe me...”

“Oh my God. You’re going to milk this forever, aren’t you?” 

“Just until tomorrow after you pay for me to kick your ass in Dig Dug.”

Lucas threw his hands up in exasperation. “Why am I friends with you again?”

Dustin smiled, and for the first time in weeks he felt truly happy. Things were changing, and were about to change even more. But walking in the rain in the woods, bickering with his best friend - that felt as familiar as home. Some things never change, and he hoped they never would.

Tagging my SFS peeps! @freshxbloom @strange-thangs @hannahberrie @maplestreet83 @partwayhappy @martiegalwrites @she-who-the-river-could-not-hold @janeswheeler @cstlebyrs @jane-el-hopper @elizabethturner @the-proud-princess @itcouldbendoritcouldbreak @scottsclarke @the-most-beautiful-broom @dancingskygreen @mileven-and-contemplation @eddieksgazebos @mikeswheelers @moodyandmoonyeyed @jopper-chopper @earlgreyteagirl @michael-hearteyes-wheeler @stevemossington @thezoomermax @bubblynancy @mothersnail @writer-lia

[thealpacalypse-archive]

Erstmal alles gute zum Burzeltag!! And than all of the asks for the ship ask thingy cause I'm nosey as heck!

thank u friend!!!!

NICE i love talking about my ships (even more than talking about myself :D)

what is your absolute favorite ship?

Ummmm hard to say??? favorites are. impossible. right now i’m fully back into StormPilot tho because Star Wars got me back in its grips, and also queerplatonic!JediStormPilot (bc i love Finn and Poe being romantic as heck together, but my bby Rey is v aroace and v happy to queerplatonically cuddle with her two dork boyfriends or fall asleep on Finn’s shoulder.

Then there’s also Ringsy (Ringo and Easy from Unter Uns) which is trash, and i’m fully aware it’s trash, but anyone following me can see that i also completely sold my soul to this ship whoops i live for my asshole bi boy and my pure gay cinnamon roll and i got no regrets

but i guess when it comes to all time/long time faves, I also have to say George Squared from Call Me Katie, and WolfStar (Remus and Sirius) from Harry Potter. 

what ship do you hate most?

r*ylo. and noorhelm from skam. Basically, any ship that puts my lady faves with abusive asshole creeps.

what was your first ship, and what fandom is it from?

uuuhhhhh *sweating nervously* my very first ship, before i even knew what shipping was, was Lisa/Rokko from Verliebt in Berlin (for anyone who doesn’t know: that was the german telenovela version of Ugly Betty). 

my first proper ship after that was Draco/Harry. yupppp i was one of those people………

is there a ship that you used to ship, but don’t anymore?

Drarry is definitely one of those. I also used to ship a couple of rarepairs in HP that i don’t really care for anymore, like Ron/Draco, Ron/Blaise Zabini, Remus/Severus (cringeworthy, i know, but to my defense, that was before half blood prince) and stuff like that. I also used to ship Johnlock a lot, but I lost interest in BBC Sherlock, so i don’t really care anymore.

what’s a ship you like that most people don’t?

ummm Jonathan/Steve/Nancy from Stranger Things maybe? And Nancy/Barb. Oh and Rory/Jess in Gilmore Girls - which, I know, there are loads of people who ship that, but there are also loads of people who have a very strong opinion against that ship. 

Also, maybe Cho/Harry/Cedric?? Idk how most people feel about that, it’s not a very well known ship or anything, and I mostly ship Harry with Ginny anyway, but I do like the idea of their dynamics.

and ummmm this probably doesn’t count, but in the webseries Project Green Gables, I ship Anne with Reggie Gardner, which. Ummm. Reggie Gardner is not really a character that exists yet, but it’s just my version of how I imagine Roy Gardner in this adaptation of Anne of Green Gables. It’s not really fair to say that other people don’t like this ship because how can they, if this character only exists in a few of my posts but not really in the show??? but anyway, doesn’t matter, because Anne/Gil is still OTP and they’re definitely endgame

what’s a ship you hate that most people like?

huh. well I guess I don’t really hate it, but like i said before, to me, Rey is aroace, so I don’t really care for romantic/sexual FinnRey. but like, everyone, do your thing.

oh, but i definitely don’t like mike/el in Stranger Things. I haven’t seen s2 yet, but uuuggghhhh it just weirds me out and makes me uncomfortable, the way heteronormativity gets pushed on El, who would be the perfect character to explore breaking boundaries beyond the binary and the normative rules of society about girlhood and sexuality and all that.

what is the most underrated ship, in your opinion?

Basically, all femslash ships??? Like, I used to love MorGwen back in my Merlin days, but there was so little content for them, and while I love Merthur, too, it was extremely unbalanced. 

Also very underrated: friend-ships. like damn, i friend-ship Joan and Sherlock in Elementary so much!!! I dig all the friendships in B99!!! I need more friend fic!!!

what is the most overrated ship, in your opinion?

ummm idk probably johnlock and destiel?? this is definitely nothing against people who ship it. i have shipped both of these. i just got tired of seeing people fall for the queerbaiting, and still holding on to impossible hope. I get how we’re all desperate for representation, and it’s absolutely vile to drag us into shows with promising pairs and amazing chemistry, and then just teasing us for eternity without ever going through with anything - i get that’s not the fault of the shippers. but i’m just tired of queerbait ships. give me real queer representation damnit!!

oh, also kylux. I’m just not feeling it?? honestly, Hux hates Kylo, and Kylo is an angry manbaby, there’s just nothing appealing about this ship to me at all.

so, those were the ones I could reply to without you giving me any specific pairings. if you want me to reply to the rest of them, you gotta give me one or more pairings to go with :P

thanks for these, they were so much fun!!