#i hate gg sm

[mortifying-macaroni]

[stinkysstuff]

Evil glenda is so real. She would sooo do this lets be honest shes THAT petty.

Poor glen tho, my poor baby 😭 and u know what sucks?? Glenda is living their best life in london, in an apartment somewhere..while glen is just..gone.

Me n a friend were talkint about the twins and we made a theory (?) What if glenda wanted revenge? U know, since they never got control in seed. What if they planned this their entire human lives up until they n glen went back into the doll?? It makes sense honestly, considering again they never got control in seed it was mostly glen who was taking charge of the doll.

Me

Theo

I wonder how gg is doing tho. Like. Canonically

I imagine it's probably like someone with d.i.d living, maybe they fight over who gets control OR glen is completely dead and dormant.

I like the thought of glen fighting just trying to get an ounce of control from this shitty life their sibling decided to give them

Would they win though

Probably not. But they can try

If glen is really dead in there then what was the point of glenda doing this to their brother??

Spiteful maybe

But why would glenda do something so spiteful to someone they care for?

Psychopaths do random malicious shit like that bcos they're bored soooo maybe that has something to do with it

I wonder what it looks like in the gg dolls head. Like does jt look like nicas n chuckys? Do the twins like roam around in the room or do they just stay in one place?? I hsve so many questions and ik they will never get answered

I think if glen is still alive then yea they have a headspace

Maybe shes doing this cuz glen was in control most of the time in seed??

A REVENGE ARC?? A 18 YEAR PLANNED REVENGE ARC?? 😭😭

YES. if glenda is that petty she would so do that lets be honest

Its not Glen's fault tho. In seed they had a feeling someting was wrong but never could pin point what. They had no idea glenda was in there really

Does that mean their entire human childhood..up to them going back into their doll, did glenda just fake loving glen??

If so. Then wow..that is dedication right there

It's possible

Cuz think about it, if they rly loved glen they would've pulled him back or tripped him or something when he was gonna take that bullet for tiffany Like. They ran a lil bit of a distance so..there was time to do that.

EXACTLYYYY. Do u think glenda remembers more then shes letting on??

Yeah

Rly small forgettable moment but tiffany did mention (when talking to meg) that Glenda was trying to get airplane tickets to London when she was 7-8 , did she rly wanna go that bad damn 😭

Apparently so. And she got her wish.

And shes living her best life now in london. As a doll. While their sibling is just..gone.

She's really smart though to wait a whole 18 years to kill her brother off just to pull the biggest uno reverse card of their lives

@stinkysstuff hi pookie

[briankang]

i love when people make those "what kpop song do you think is BAD" and people will just be like "any skz song >:(" bc it proves to me they a) have listened to maybe 2-3 title tracks a random and b) don't actually know anything about music and c) are aggressively bitter when they talk about it it's free block city for me

[projecttirnanog]

having ky thoughts. honest 2 god he does not get enough genuine love. it makes me so . when he is just a tool for shipping (<- is very uncomfortable with solky as a ship anyway but i won’t get into it) . he’s such a beautiful character,… his unwavering faith in people and the world despite having always been handed such a bad hand, and the amount of love he has in his heart and, ; ; ,, always trying to do the best with other people in mind,,

i think a huge defining thing of ky’s for me is in overture. how sin is so angry and is lashing out at him constantly, but ky takes every hit and never tries to scold him or deny him his anger,,, he’s probably angry too, that they had to end up like that :(…. don’t even get me started on the bad father jokes about him it makes me insane. ky did, and continues to do everything he could to protect sin. ., he’s certainly not the best father, but it’s undeniable that he loves both sin and dizzy with his whole heart and was acting for their safety,,

and i think a lot of ppl forget that ky does have a rebellious streak too? like yeayea stick in the mud catholic boy whatever it’s funny where it works but. ky is often at odds with the UN/etc??? he’s even got the nickname of the foolish king , and his ass literally got put on forced vacation in strive because he was gonna come forward with his family against their wishes . idk. i think he’s such an interesting character with a lot of depth that isn’t often acknowledged bc ppl like to whittle him down to tropes….,,, there’s a lot here im missing but :( ky kiske the WORLD.

[tariah23]

Coming from Hori, this might turn off a lot of people who still might be interested in reading KB beyond the meme but again, it’s… pretty decent! It’s not bad! A little basic but it’s worth the read and the characters are interesting enough to keep you invested after you’ve read the first couple of chapters. I wasn’t too into it at the beginning but its gotten better. It’s nice to see bigger mangaka give up-and-coming artists their blessings so publicly like this though!

[ujuro]

Idc i im the biggest fan of a group in the world im not buying a lightstick if that shits ugly lmao

[vandeaad]

Me when my boss thought I quit LAST WEEK but its this week. So currently umeployed.....Yeeeeeboiii

[insanityclause]

Did Tom ever speak about any political issue like Palastine, Sudan except his GG speech. I think he never signed a ceasefire nor provide to any charity regarding this matter. Except his soccer aid video which I do not think counts. Anderw Garfield recently spoke about it in recent josh interview and everyone is praising and treating him like jesus among men. I have also seen tweets saying AG better than TH and that is why they are not a fan of him anymore because of his silence and calling him a coward. What's ur opinion about it?

Pre-GG speech, he would say more -- but he was more active on sm, too.

There are interviews where he's calling out Trump or Nigel Farage for hate speech back in 2015, for instance. He talked about illegal arms sales when he was doing promo for TNM s1 (generally related to his UNICEF trips).

Since then, he's not on sm due to fan and media behaviour, and he hasn't really been asked about issues in any interviews, so I'm not sure what people expect? He's definitely still promoting UNICEF stuff, and he posted about BLM back in 2020. He's supported Ukraine with the poetry reading last year.

Anyway, Twitter isn't real life. People are allowed to not be a fan if they don't want to, but their reasoning is not great. Keyboard warriors the lot of them. He's not coming back to sm in any meaningful way, and that's in large part because of fan behaviour when he did speak out. So that's on them, tbh.

[trolagygirl2022]

My Masterlist

Last Updated: 28/10/2023

Readings I do

BTS

Jungkook's fs potential foreigner?

V's ideal Type

Guessing RM, Jimin and Suga's rising signs

Jungkook's future spouse

Jungkook's Birth Chart

RM future spouse potential foreigner?

Jungkook future spouse apperance

"Beyond the Story" reading

STRAY KIDS

Bang Chan's Birth Chart

Bang Chan's future spouse

Seungmin's ideal type

Bang Chan's future spouse (tarot)

Bang Chan's future spouse's appearance

Felix future spouse

Seungmin's future spouse

Hyunjin's future spouse

NCT (All sub-units)

Johnny's future spouse

Jaehyun's future spouse

Jaehyun's ideal type

BOYS PLANET

Jay Chang's Birth Chart

ZEROBASEONE

Zerobaseone's Debut Chart

Ricky Shen Birth Chart

Zhang Hao's Birth Chart

How do 4th gen boy groups and companies view Zb1?

EXO

Kai's ideal type

RUNEXT

Reading on RUNEXT

Which RUNEXT contestants will debut? (16/06/2023)

How likely will Jiwoo debut from RUNEXT (26/06/2023)

RUNEXT trainee in Baby Monster?

RUNEXT lineup by I and Knetz

Possible RUNEXT scandal?

KEP1ER

Huening Bahiyyih's Birth Chart

NEWJEANS

Danielle Birth Chart

Haerin's Birth Chart

NewJeans birth chart analysis

Guessing Hanni's Rising Sign

Danielle's ideal type

NMIXX

NMIXX Birth Chart

TXT

Yeonjun Ideal type

Beomgyu's future spouse

Soobin's future spouse

2023 Solar Return Chart

How successful will TXT's (ft. the Jonas Brother's) single be?

What do TXT think of fanwars

AESPA

Aespa Birth Chart reading

ENHYPEN

Jay's Ideal Type

Guessing Niki's rising sign

Jay's future spouse

Group Dynamic

Jake future spouse

TWICE

Jeongyeon's future spouse

IVE

Wonyoung's futures spouse

Wonyoung and Sunghoon's dynamic

Male and Female idol's perception of Wonyoung

ATEEZ

Seonghwa's Birth Chart

San's ideal type

SNSD

Yoona's future spouse

Is Jessica Jung in any contanct with SNSD members?

Why did Jessica Jung leave SNSD?

GIDLE

Yuqi's future spouse

CHOI YENA

Yena's thoughts on "Hate Rodrigo"

Olivia's thoughts on "Hate Rodrigo"

Olivia's thoughts on the song "Hate Rodrigo"

ADOR NEW BOY GROUP

Ador new boy group reading

Who will debut first? ADORNBG or ADORNGG?

ADOR NEW GIRL GROUP

Will Ador new girl group's concept be similar to NewJeans?

BABY MONSTER

Possible female trainee joining?

Age of the possible trainee joining Baby Monster

Possible Baby Monster scandal?

Baby Monster debut when?

YG delaying BM debut?

Possible trainee joining Baby Monster?

Will the potential new BM trainee be an ace?

BM's reputation: before and after debut

SHINee

General Taemin reading

BLACKPINK

Will Lisa leave YG?

Jisoo and Anh Bo-hyun synastry

Rose's view on the "Rose curse"

FIFTY FIFTY

What's going on with Fifty Fifty?

2NE1

2NE1 reading

SM NEW GG

SM new gg reading

Others:

Fame indicators in birth chart

Your Venus sign and what looks good on you Pt.1

Your Venus sign and what looks good on you Pt. 2

Appearance observations

Asteroid "Child" in the signs

Classroom and Astrology

Fame indicators in Kpop idols

Who will be more succesful: NEWJEANS, RUNEXT GG, or LE SSERAFIM

Will 2023 be the year of the boy groups?

How will Twitter's mismanagement affect kpop?

[wonhes]

i really hope they don't put him back to center 5 with the devil, aka lee sangmin or wtv, again...

center 2 going to manage the new bg, center 3 is neo, and center 4 going to manage the new gg, so maybe center 1 since they only handle aespa, taeyeon, hyo, and boa (who's going to retire next year, i believe?)

anonymous i really don’t think this is over 😭 like i genuinely think sm just pulled this out of their ass in hopes to silence everyone but if he truly does go solo i hope and pray that he’s actually protected and sm finally seeks legal action against everyone that keeps throwing hate his way

[pathesisa]

the marketing strategy for wayv members is so wrong and i will try to explain: (this is not hating towards any members i love all of them)

1 - the first member is xiaojun, sm pushing xiaojun into korean market after that man left was a wrong move, he is not the most marketable member for korean people. he is mcing for 1 year and he is the wayv member who gets korean promo only (bare minimum compare to other units) but it doesn't work, never saw him in the brand reputation list; ten and winwin are the only members who made it to the list. anyways xiaojun is a vocalist who should be sent in singing programs korea already has kibum, bambam kind of male idols who have the same career strategy and are obsessed with gg groups yes short viral moments are good but being labeled as this would be bad for his future career because no one gaf about kibums albums in korea they only interesting his entertainer side, xiaojun is most versatile nct vocalist he needs to market himself as a singer more, if he wants korean fame he should sing in korean but even korean singers won't charting there so i think the best market for xiaojun is mainland, my boy is more talented than any chinese mainstream artist rn. he is just talented and needs to focus on his talents more than his entertainer side because it's shadowing his talents. i really want xiaojun release covers every week, i need his angelic voice. [someone asked about his visual, yes his visual is good and my top 3 in the whole nct but he is short and has a big head (idk why this is a beauty standard) which doesn't fit in korea and chinese beauty standards]

2- second one is winwin and probably most complicated member and i'm scared yunqis will attack me, please he and xiaojun are my biases don't attack me. winwin didn't set his foot in korea for months but being on the reputation list proves he is the most marketable member for korea, if i'm not wrong he fits kbs %90 or something, but he never makes friends there, never saw him with any korean idol outside nct members, he makes himself stuck in nct circle in korea, korean people loves handsome boyfriendable cute k-idols and winwin is perfect example for this but unfortunately ww never gaf about korean market all obsessed is chinese market. i went to nct nation at japan he got the most cheers, he was the only member trended on japan twitter, he went viral 3 times he went to japan which is even no wayv and any wayv member trended here because winwin become so popular after he made into japanese national news about his and satomi ishihara similarity, not even have to mention nct life osaka.he is the most popular member in indonesia but only went here 1 time. second most popular member in thailand. ph has his biggest fanbase he never went there. this dude has a terrible career plan, all he wants become popular in mainland china, he need to open his eyes. his manager probably hates him because it's not hard to make an overseas schedule for him.

3- hendery. he is the least interesting wayv member if we have to be honest. he doesn't know how to be a private. after that man left the company he had the most potential to shine but xiaojun handled the post-lucas era better than him. i don't like his and winwin's rap parts in wayv songs, even yangyang's these raps ruining wayv's songs for being pop perfection for me. i dont see a singer or rapper future for him, wukong was a terrible experience. but you know what he has big potential among all wayv members to become popular, he is so an entertainer. he should be sent with winwin into those variety shows instead of that man, he would be x2 big in the mainland rn. i mean with 0 promotions he is the 3rd most popular member in china, having bigger fanbases than xiaojun, kun, and yangyang who have more gigs in their bags. he is so popular in indonesia, i remember he went viral there every day after a hendery fic adapted to an indo-drama. he should consider acting in movies, wong kar wai needs to open his eyes.

4- yangyang.. a big wasted potential. he would be more popular than any chinese idol in korea if he debuted in a korean group.. he is so baby. he is so marketable there, hip-hop alt culture is so popular nowadays he could probably be friends with everyone. but the company made him mark 2.0, with no originality not saying he is the less talented because yangyang is the most talented member in wayv (yes more talented than ten) but the marketing strategy killed his all hype there. this man outrapping the top 2 nct rapper (ijbol) with his 3rd language with ease, but if marketing is wrong you will start 1-0 behind. the other marketing fault is making him ten's sidekick in variety shows, this is why his fanbase never grows. all yangyang stans also love ten they have very common fandoms he needs to promote with different people, 10velys will never let yangyang shine in a show there ten is also there. yall he needs to hang out with some korean dudes outside the nct members and do some collabs, trust me is would benefit him more than those tenyang contents. everyone thinks yangyang is benefiting ten in tenyang collabs but all yangyang get is overshadowed by ten because ten has a huge fanbase. being a duo with ten was the worst thing in his career now all he gets from these, annoying shippers and a hateful fanbase who hates him because they think he is using ten's opportunities. send him in a show as mentor than watched him. my talanted boy!

5- maybe he is not the most popular in any country but he has the biggest potential for his future after wayv because he is friends with every composer, and producer, improving himself, and growing his friend circle. he is the best with these. the friends that winwin, xiaojun, or yangyang made into the industry will never benefit them in the future but having producer friends means you have secured your position. instead of being hyped for 4-5 years and then being forgotten after new idols debuted, i will always prefer people like kun who have stable careers because he will still have the same fanbase even after 10 years. this is why i think he has the best strategy in wayv and dont want quick viral moments like didi line of wayv (hendery, xiaojun, yangyang), all people know him as the member who can do 20 things.

6- ten lee.. ace of the aces. being compared to with the ten lee would be biggest achivement for those nct members yall trying to believe us they are more taleted than him lol. wayv was the biggest miastake for his career. this dude want int fame, being 2000s popstar. relasing a fully english song without thai or chinese version just proving my point. he really dgaf about these markets. he should be debuted as a soloist at the first day now we probably would compare him with the taemin but now people only calling him taemin 2.0 and it's so sad. i think he and winwin really loves wayv because both of them have better chances outside the group but they are still with them. his album is doing so good and break some records and surpassed big soloist like taeyeon, seulgi etc. in spotify numbers. the company need to already start to organize his 2nd album even before wayv album sorry not sorry.

[skyandpeople]

An avg.army support goes to: (had to post this, imagine jm saying it they would have used these words everytime pjms questioned their support 😂😂)

and how some view him when it comes to jm:

Well finally they are This!

They are exhausted seeing fightings and all..but aren't exhausted fighting with ggs and some biggest bgs fandoms since years and bringing hate to members especially jimin??

They only fight for unnecessary shit and always do pityparties when someone points out their craziness and now i understand why they want jimin to go MS becz they think pjms will not be anymore 🤣 girlies, lemme to tell you even if we won't be as active as on sm apps we do cb when he releases music becz we are here for music lol, well we can't say same for them.

Seeing as non-biased as possible, I actually started feeling they always want to be on side of bigger artist(s)/group so they can brag? It's funny to even say this but yeah that's why they are silent on one member getting most privilege thing by downplaying others in disguise of oh he is whatever fits in USA market lol and successfully made many people into accepting it.

Anyway, pjms who are following me vote vote vote!

[formulawolff]

Sweet!! I'm over the moon with Toto being nothing but absolutely sweet and passionate when talking about GG in the media, and I want this man so much, so much that I can cry! I love seeing how much he is also affected by the distance, it seems like they put him into abstinence and I confess that I love seeing men addicted to their women, it sounds like music in my ears!

We need to talk about how loyal and perfect Alex is, him buying into her pain and being the BEST friend that everyone would like to have, James won't end that either, amen!

George and Lewis also being the best in the world, I want to keep them in a jar so no one can hurt them and that's about it!

Querida, você conseguiu de novo, me fez apaixonar pelo post de hoje e me deixou ansiosa para os próximos, mal posso esperar.

I hope you're taking good care of yourself, okay? Luv ♡

toto is just so in love at this point the pr teams don't matter and he just wants to ensure that everyone knows how much he loves his sweet girl-

i could literally ramble about alex and gg's friendship for hours. i love both of them so much. i wish both of them could just move to merc and be a trio with george so the besties could all be reunited :')

i just love writing about friendship, especially in a world so competitive and gritty as formula 1. they all deserve to be the best of friends because the fans and the media tend to pit them against each other (and i hate it sm)

and i am taking care of myself! :') tsym for that <3 ily!

[going-to-ikea-for-the-fries]

LMAO WHY DO U HATE JOHNNY SM 😞 INJUSTICE TO THE AXE ABSORBING SCOT FR ‼️

I DON'T HATE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!

HE'LL GET HIS TURN AND IT'LL BE GLORIOUS

BUT FOR NOW? IT'S DOUBLE GG TIME (GhostGaz)

[solarwynd]

I know that sm stans and blinks and gg Stan’s really dislike bts and the boys and will take any opportunity to drag them, but they are a different level of vile towards jimin and I can’t figure out why!? Like why does he specifically get the crazy vitriol hate from them when he’s the least problematic and the most likable ?? I’m genuinely baffled

Jimin’s the most impactful idol, he’s successful and an untraditionally pretty man. All reasons enough for these people.

[beautifulpersonpeach]

Hey BPP!

I came across this post about the ‘slave room’ that I think you might know already. Here’s the post https://old.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/m4cdy9/a_slave_room_was_created_to_monitor_users_spread

I remember you talking about how you and your friends consistently reported a lot (hundreds???? of antis and their misinformation a few years ago and now this. The post talks about this room mainly targeting girl groups like Twice and a couple of comments down there was even a mention of STAND, the anti fans of SNSD who really wanted to bring them down. Reading this blew my mind because with the amount and reach of their organization feels like miles ahead than an organized group of trolls and antis that I thought most idol groups dealt with.

Does BTS have something like this? Because when I read your post on antis I was under the impression that it was a small group of head antis with a few minions to do the legwork. This slave room actually spent tons of money on this smear campaign. It comes off to me that they might have backing from a company but maybe I just can’t believe that people would waste their cash on something so petty lmao. Time maybe but not money. It sounds like a real campaign almost like QAnon or MAGA, which is scary to think about!!!! The users say that their k-fandom worked against it but weren’t successful as much until it was uncovered by the media. They didn’t even contact the gg’s agency for help. Are K-Army aggressive when it comes to squashinh down stuff like this?? Antis are scary and unhinged 😭😭😭😭😭

***

Hi Anon,

Your link.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the anti 'slave rooms' are well known. Antis in k-pop are a very special breed and yes sometimes there is corporate backing for that hate. I mean, the most recent example of that is Kakao's Idol Lab expose that newspapers in Korea reported in November 2022. For anyone who doesn't know, Kakao (the same Kakao that SM stans would rather have their idols be managed by, rather than HYBE), funded a group known for 'reverse viral marketing' that specialized in creating and spreading hate and malicious rumors against Aespa, Le Sserafim, NewJeans, Itzy, Garam, and a few other rival groups, while simultaneously creating and boosting positive posts for IVE, Monsta X, Wonyoung i.e. groups under their Starship music label. The company claimed that group of haters were third-party contractors and that Kakao wasn't aware of what they were doing, but given this is same Kakao that rigged a music talent show so extremely and blatantly that some of their staff went to prison, many people clearly don't buy it.

Now, here's a quick quiz. It's more of a temp/sense check to see if from all I've been writing about the k-pop industry and HYBE / BTS / ARMYs' relationship with it so far, you've learned something and can answer the following questions correctly.

Did that very damning revelation impact Kakao at all?

Did fans of SM groups who learned their favourite idols/groups were explicitly targeted by Kakao, care in any meaningful way?

Did those fans care when Kakao was revealed to want to acquire management rights of their idols/groups? And what about after Kakao was revealed to have pursued illegal means of acquiring SM shares?

Does the wider k-pop fandom view Kakao as worse or similar to HYBE?

Has this revelation impacted any of Kakao's groups in any meaningful way since then?

Do you think the reaction of k-pop stans to Kakao's manipulation would be the same if HYBE was found to have done the same?

*

I'm kind of curious to know what your answers are.

Anyway, by this point I hope that when I say the behaviours you see in k-pop fandoms are structurally supported, and that ARMY (for most of the fandom's existence so far) has borne the brunt of acting counter-cultural to the dominant behaviours you see here, as has BigHit and BTS going against many industry norms, and that many people in k-pop fandoms aren't here for the right reasons, I hope that by this point y'all can see I'm not talking outta my ass.

Many people here get into k-pop for the shiny veneer of perfection, of bright MVs, crisp choreos, and hot Asian celebrities who engage in the sort of fan service only rockstars of old got away with, but they stay for the fanwars, for the long-running feuds between fandoms, for the constant picking apart of idols and groups they dislike, for the hope that one day the groups/fandoms they hate will experience a reckoning... - people stay for the hate. Many of them do absorb all sorts of conspiracy theories about BTS and groups/idols they hate and yes, it can take on a Q-Anon quality.

There's a lot that's fucked up in this industry and not even HYBE is completely spotless, but what matters for a lot of the people in this space is making an example of the one group that was the anomaly, and the company and fandom that helped them rise above it all. I'm not even trying to be alarmist or sycophantic, this is literally just the reality I've observed for years.

This is one reason I suggest you simply report and block when you see hate, don't engage with the hate or give people/spaces with a taste for it any oxygen. It's why when I see people engage in 'discourse' where they simply fan up theories or unilaterally negative critiques about groups (and especially BTS), I just check out.

Now that k-pop has gotten even more international exposure courtesy of BTS, it is potentially even more lucrative than before, and so the stakes have only gotten higher. But the players are still used to relying on their unsavory playbook and see no reason to change because the wider k-pop industry and fandom is more than okay with it. I mean, just look at the Kakao-SM deal and k-pop fandom's reaction to it even after the police have just raided their offices...

The quality of music BTS makes is more than enough reason to focus only on them and that. Their personalities and group chemistry are a wonderful bonus. And their history and relationship in this industry for anyone who understands the dynamics here, is only the cherry on top. This is one reason it sometimes annoys me when ARMYs let it get to them or act just as unhinged, disgusting, and stupid as many of the folks who only 3-4 years before they couldn't stand.

Sigh, oh gosh I've rambled again. Lol writing abridged versions is hard. But I hope you got your answer Anon.