#i hate endvr so much like

[suokura]

TOUYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[todomitoukei]

Villain stan, I was already expecting an ending like Naruto's anime. Complete trash just for people that experience the story through fanon more than canon. Still, I feel robbed.

This is an anime about SUPERHEROES! What was the idea of finishing with the complete LoV dead or in jail? It would have costed nothing to put Toga, Spinner and Mr. Compress running amok, ready to avenge Twice, Magne, Shigaraki and Dabi. Marvel and DC never had a problem with having villains running free and getting ready for a next battle. An open ending that re-starts the circle as the hores need their villains.

Because Toga's death was bs, not only for being avoidable, but because the fans basically took the moment Ochake opened up about her grief towards Toga to make a DekuChako moment (Neji's death all over again >:v, the only difference is that this time it wasn't the Mangaka's intention to move a ship, but the fans decided to spit in Toga's death none the less).

And honestly, while every villain stan was "Dabi will live" I was "Gods, I hope he dies, because enything else will be a trash ending" and I WAS RIGHT! AT LEAST GIVE HIM THAT LAST SATISFACTION!

Also, Spinner just staying in jail like WHAT? Spinner was the villain who most respected and was the most loyal to Shigaraki, don't make him just write a book, MAKE HIM LEAD THE NEXT LEAGUE OF VILLAINS!

And of course, Endeavor and Hawks have no consecuences for their actions, everything just forgiven, even by the victims. Honestly, I was always in the posture of LoV as family >>>> Todofam, so I wasn't expecting Dabi's end to be more than a "We did it, we stopped Dabi. Now we are free of the past and move on, even if Dabi honestly can't" and this is one of the few times I hate to be right.

(Sorry for the venting, thank you for putting this space to talk about it.)

No need to apologize <3

You're so right about Toga's death immediately being used for different characters having a moment instead of, you know, focusing on her. I'm not sure if this manga could pass the Bechdel test.

That really is why the ending is so bad - the villains seem to not have left as much of a mark as they should've, the fact that the hero ranking system continues being in place is proof of that. You would think that society at the very least realized that treating heroes like celebrities was problematic, and yet nothing about that part of the system changed.

To be honest, I'm surprised they even let Spinner write and publish his book rather than seeing this as some kind of propaganda or safety risk. Remember how early on in the story when those Stain videos came out? It's surprising then that they let Spinner do this.

An ending that suggests the cycle starts again would've been interesting, but remember, Hori went for a "happy" ending

Hori was clearly in over his head writing a story that he ultimately was incapable of writing. The story had so much potential, yet here we are with a story that eventually decided to have nothing change.

I think the Todofam would be great, but I've always been of the opinion that it could never work with Endvr around, which is clear when you look at the Todofam finale where they are all supposedly eager to talk to Touya, only for none of them to say anything beyond that except for Endvr, who also ultimately says nothing other than how much of a victim he is. Boohoo.

Yeah, we were right. But at what cost...

[lemongogo]

b/nha leaks

[logicalbookthief]

Kindness seems to be a recurring theme in the Todoroki family narrative. I find it fascinating that despite a decade of estrangement, both Touya and Natsuo similarly think of themselves as being unkind, even when their actions display the opposite. 

However, they both consider Shouto to be kind, a belief that is consistently reinforced.

Natsuo overhears this conversation and references it later, framing the lack of kindness he perceives in himself as a direct opposition to Shouto. It is telling that he doesn’t mention Fuyumi here, when she’s just as -- if not more so -- willing to try to forgive and reconcile with their father.

During the war, Touya takes note of this, too. Even though he doesn’t specifically declare that he is not kind like Shouto, the context speaks for itself -- he is, at this moment, trying to burn the both of them alive.

The translation for what Dabi says after Shouto expresses concern that Dabi is willing to destory himself to hurt Endeavor, provided by the wonderful @todomitoukei​ in this post, reads as follows:  I am glad because you grew up kindly.

The “you” implies that Touya believes this to be specific to Shouto, despite the fact that they -- along with Natsuo -- grew up in the same household. 

And yes, Shouto is kind! But that kindness isn’t a virtue he was born with, like a quirk. It was something Shouto strived to be after deciding he wanted to change.

Remember early manga Shouto? Pre-Sports Festival arc? He would be difficult to classify as kind, based on his behavior. Because kindness isn’t an inherent attribute of a person, but a culmination of your actions towards yourself and others.

I think the “yourself” part is especially important for the Todoroki brothers. When Shouto decides to reach out to his mother for the first time in ten years, it isn’t just a kindness he extends to her, but a kindness he extends to himself. He doesn’t want to isolate anymore, starts to connect to his peers and reconnect with his family. Because he was finally able to embrace the parts of himself that he hated and denied, due to the association with his father.

But I think Natsuo and Touya do believe that his kindness is inherent, rather than a genuine effort on Shouto’s part. It is something they cannot be for the same reason they were not worthy of their father’s care as children -- they were not born with that capacity.

After all, Shouto was the perfect child their father desired; they were the rejects. Shouto was born to be a hero, a savior of others; they were failures, either unable to do anything to help the family or only able to do more harm with their actions. 

Years after this rejection, the idea that they’re intrinsically not good enough feels so deeply engrained in how they see themselves. To the point that even when they’re caught in acts of kindness, they can’t accept it for what it is.

Realistically, an abandoned house on fire won’t demand much of Endvr’s attention with everything else going on. Touya burns down her old house because he understands Toga’s suffering. He gives her something that is not self-serving in the slightest, but to admit so would challenge his view of himself as a villain.

Even more boggling is Natsuo disparaging himself as unkind at a family dinner with his father -- that he knows will cause him immense turmoil and distress -- he only attended because he loves Fuyumi and wants to make her happy. 

I love how this scene with Toga shows that Touya, like Natsuo, exhibits kindness through his actions, even if it conflicts with what he says. There is a disconnect there that has nothing to do with being unkind and everything to do with their upbringing.

[dabistits]

Why do you think Hori keeps going out of his way to shift the blame off of Endv? I cannot understand why he is so invested in having the readers sympathize with Endv as much as possible. If Hori is indeed writing this particular storyline due to personal reasons, it seems so counterintuitive for him to want the readers to sympathize with the abuser over their victims.

some survivors may find it cathartic (and i’m saying ‘survivors’ in general, since whether or not hrksh himself is one, readers who have experienced abuse have said this before about endv) to read about abusers who change and who “genuinely care” about them. one of the many challenges of leaving an abusive relationship and staying away is the hope that some abuse victims have, that an abuser will realize what they were doing and change, because deep down they genuinely care for and love you.

the todoroki storyline reads like this kind of wish fulfillment. because endv truly cares about his family and is, deep down, a caring guy, he can stop his abuse and change. he can be the father that many abuse survivors have always wanted.

IMO, this fails because, well, it’s wish fulfillment. it skips over the big picture of abuse that i discussed in favor of a feel-good story about making mistakes and improving, and i think that’s a huge misstep. even leaving aside the fact that all the todorokis’ characters wound up revolving around endv’s redemption, it also perpetuates some insidious ideas about abuse through the constant focus endvr’s thoughts and feelings receive. while yes—stress, anger, etc. can incentivize abuse, and care, guilt, etc. can incentivize change, feelings should absolutely should not be treated as central to abuse, because:

some abusers will say they feel bad or that they care while continuing to abuse, and this can apply whether they are lying about the presence of those feelings or telling the truth. the abuser’s feelings (which they actually have or claim to have) do not match with the actions they are taking.

creating this linkage between an abuser’s feelings and capacity for change can encourage an abuse victim to stay (or go back) to an abusive relationship, either to be the incentive for the abuser’s change or because they feel that making the abuser care about them will stop the abuse.

it ultimately concludes that feelings are what matter, not actions. it encourages people to integrate the feelings of the abuser into their assessment of the abuse, as though they can weigh the specific dimension and severity of the abuse by factoring in whether or not the abuser “really cares” or “feels guilty” afterwards.

in other cases, abusers and apologists will use feelings to dismiss the possibility or severity of abuse altogether, i.e. “they do it because they love you” (and you can see this coming through in bnha: edvr isolated shouto because he loves him?)

“making readers sympathize with an abuser” aside, this is why i hate the way the todoroki storyline is written. the over-investment the narrative has in endv’s feelings and motivations leads them to be prioritized over his actions, when neither feelings nor motivations create abuse. abusive actions create abuse.

tl;dr—i understand that endvr’s “i was wrong, i have to change, i care for you” is THE message that a lot of survivors want to hear from their abusers. i recognize and sympathize with why this storyline is particularly poignant to some, but ultimately i think it does a huge disservice to fictional portrayals of abuse.

[unfortunatelyilikebnha]

✨🎥🏳‍🌈

Thank you for sending an ask, I almost never get them so this was a fun surprise!!

✨ what draws you towards your hyperfixation? What is interesting about it?

Ok so like there are many things I could say about this & yet I still don’t entirely know??? I think a lot of it is the characters, like no matter how lacking in depth/development some of them are I think they have so much potential????? I like to grab onto these characters and be like “mine now” & develop them in my head lmao (when people give especially the girls depth and backstories and dive into their feelings and motivations, that is SO SATISFYING, yk?)

🎥 do you have any favorite scenes from your hyperfixation?

I have SO MANY.

The scene in the first round of the sports festival where Midoriya digs up all those mines, goes flying, swings that piece of metal down at Todoroki & bkg, sticks the landing (sort of lol) & then goes on to win the first round of the sports festival??? Completely without a quirk??? I love that scene bc it shows how smart he is,,,, that when he knows he can’t rely on his quirk, he can figure out another way (I think part of why he did so badly in the entrance exam was that he assumed he was gonna have OFA to back him up & so decided to rely on that, so when AM was like “btw it’ll be a little bit before you can use it + it might hurt you when you do, ok gl!” it threw him off & he temporarily forgot he had skills that weren’t OFA, but that’s off topic), I wish he realized that his head is a better asset than his quirk and relied on it more often…

The scene where Todoroki melts Sero from the ice and it cuts to Midoriya’s narration and he says something like “as Todoroki took a moment to melt his opponent from the eyes, I couldn’t help but think that he looked very sad” it just hits so hard! Like they’ve barely talked but like he SEES him ugh.

Of course, “It’s your power, Todoroki!!!/Its yours! Your quirk not his!” Up to the part when Todoroki’s declared the winner & he’s just standing there completely shocked. (Oh and afterwards when endvrs being annoying and Todoroki shuts that shit down & is like “for that one moment, for better or for worse, I forgot all about you” & then just walks away that’s so good)

Pretty much the whole stain fight?? Like,,, Todoroki getting a text from his friend and though they’ve only been friends for like a couple weeks at this point he already knows him well enough to immediately realize that it meant that he was in trouble and immediately changing direction to provide backup (AND EVEN TELLING ENDVR WHERE HE WENT CAUSE HOWEVER MUCH HE HATES HIM HE RECOGNIZES THAT HES A STRONG HERO & MIDOROYA ASKED FOR BACKUP & THATS MORE IMPORTANT)!!!! Midoriya putting the dots together that Iida was hurting and in trouble and immediately going to find him cause he wants to save his friend!!The whole scene where Midoriya comes up with a plan to fight stain & Todoroki’s like “that’s a pretty big risk but ok. Let’s protect them together” THE TRUST!!!!!! Todoroki getting through to Iida, telling him that he was worried about him but also to “stand up and become the hero you want to be!” The handcrusher scene (I think that’s the first time we really heard Midoriya laugh and I 🥺🥺🥺)!!!

This ones more mundane but “yeah! Stealth mode *whoosh*!!!” “You’re standing out even more, Midoriya :|” ATSUCJFIGUFIG ITS SO FUNNY

OH OH WHEN MIDORIYA DESTROYS OVRHL!!!!! That scene is sick af Midoriya looks so cool and overhaul gets Fucking Destroyed (as he should 💅🏻) AND THEN Eri can’t stop her quirk but Midoriya still tries to calm her down & keep her safe & when aizawa erases her quirk, the way he cradled her head so it doesn’t hit the floor as they both collapse 🥺

Also when the lov breaks into the vehicle where ovrhl was being transported just to take his arms they were so sexy for that. Thank you shigaraki <3

The .3 seconds in heroes rising where Todoroki & Uraraka interact live in my head as proof of their best friendship (horikoshi may not know they’re best friends but I do <3 and that’s what matters <3)

OH!!! And I know I said a lot already but the cultural festival scene where mido & jirou bond over sharing notes 🥺🥺🥺

Sticking to anime only scenes so this doesn’t drag on forever (& so I don’t have to tag spoilers…I’m lazy) so I’ll stop now <3

🏳️‍🌈 do you have any headcanons (lgbt, race, neuro, etc) that are important to you?

Pretty much all of class 1a is neurodivergent in some way…also not cishet

TODOROKI & URARAKA R BEST FRIENDS. I KNOW THIS IN MY HEART!!!!

I probably have more but this post is already rlly long & my brain has shut down so I’m stopping now ok bye <3 ty for sending this ask!!

[punkpresentmic]

there isn’t much in your about in regard to this so idk where you stand on this, so.. hoping for the best? but the recent h@wks and endvr fanart you reblogged is romantic/shippy if you look at the tags and the person you reblogged from likes the pairing

nah i fuckin hate endeavor, fam. only thing I ship him w is Consequences & also Death lmao

but I’m a sucker for a good pun so he can make a brief appearance on my blog

[reihimura]

re: that rei post. is that really a sentiment that's going around??? i mean i shouldn't be surprised but still i am disappointed bc i would think that the fans who talk so much about how this fandom treats abuse victims horribly wouldn't do that. but yet they seem to do it casually themselves. especially now that rei is not a "good" victim bc of how hori wrote her in those hospital chapters.

sad how this ask was sent over a month ago and the sentiment i discussed is still spreading around

BUT YEAH uhmmmm. the amount of popular ‘meta’ bnha bloggers that hate endvr but then turn around and act like rei and fuyumi are pure evil because they don’t act like touya or natsuo or shouto............... like you are not immune to misogyny honey

[wetdabi]

LMAOO I literally came to ur blog for ur opinion on the newest chapter cuz I was like I cannot be the only person who feels like I ordered orange juice and got milk instead... in your professional opinion is there any way we can recover from this hot mess

ORANGE JUICE AND MILK YES

to answer your question, no❤️

i don’t hate baku’s hero name i just don’t care about it? im annoyed bc theres too much other shit going on hes supposed to be dead asf rn so we can focus on dabi etc but no here he comes acting like his long ass ugly ass name is the most important thing.... like katsuki theres people that are dying. we only have best jeanist to blame tho🙄 as usual

currently all i care about is dabi vs shouto because i waited so long for it. im happy that deranged dabi stans are starting to understand that while we can enjoy fanon dabi who’s a family man, we’re never getting that for real. even if dabi does care about natsuo etc he’s obviously not gonna show it like?? he wants to d word and take endvr with him and thats it

im very happy that machia went to sleep let him rest <3 and proud of the kids especially momo and kiri for knocking him out

[todomitoukei]

I don't mind if you don't answer this, but I'm curious about what's your take...

If you have the chance to write a fix-it, how will you explore the Himura family, especially Dabi's ice quirk? When I think about it, Touya is really a prodigy from how strong his fire quirk to easily copying his father and brother's move to a child who has an ice quirk all along. Sadly, we didn't get enough lore about the Himura family and how Touya's quirk works.

Interesting question!

I think it would depend on the situation. Would he still need to use his quirk? Would he even be interested in exploring his ice quirk? Realistically, he wouldn't have much chance to use his quirk anymore at all since public usage is against the law.

I'm sure if he ever needs ice for whatever reason, he would ask his siblings (to make them feel included!).

The main way I could see him continue to use his quirk is if he were to train with Shouto. Considering that Touya is an incredibly fast learner who can pick up techniques instantly after years of training by just watching his father, they could help each other a lot and Touya would almost subconsciously train his ice quirk by simply watching Shouto use his. Touya could be a really good mentor for Shouto, certainly better than Endvr ever was, and Shouto could also give him advice on training/using an ice quirk.

I'd be really curious about Touya seeing his grandparents. I could imagine them thanking him for not exposing them publicly for having sold their daughter. I imagine that, aside from him only wanting to focus on his father, he also didn't exactly want to be known for being part of the incest family (btw, does Shouto know about this? I don't think he does).

I guess there would also be the possibility of Geten being involved, if he gets released from prison, too. Obviously, Touya would hate this, but if Geten stopped acting like Endvr, I think the two of them could potentially develop some kind of sibling-rivalry-type relationship and also fight train together.

Anyway, Geten seems to know quite a lot about the Himura family, so he could give even more lore than what he already gave Compress. I'm sure that aside from him, Rei would also have a lot of info that she could give, which is all stuff that could be discussed in a conversation between them and someone from the lov (just like the Geten Compress talk scene).

[todomitoukei]

It truly kills me when i think about how touya must have felt when after the incident nobody even tried looking for him? His mother physically unable to do so, his siblings too young, while enji said "he didn't believe he was dead that he was looking for him"???? he became even more aggressive with shouto and kept insane training with him?? almost like touyas death complicated his plans (just like when rei hurt shouto and he was more concerned about training than his son being hurt). Even if it was touyas plan to run away imagine being in constant chronic pain afterwards, seeing your abusers face everywhere like a celebrity, learning that your family is trying to reconnect and forgive each other.

I imagine touya going "so this was possible a good family could be a reality if they put effort in.. just not for him". There was probably some sende of betrayal with him seeing that nobody mourned touya, that his death was just not enough for them to hate enji and it probably made him vicious

This has been in my askbox for a while just like everything else that's still in there but it's actually good because I just came across one of my favorite scenes from The Good Place again (if you haven't watched the show: spoilers ahead!) that made me think about exactly that and can I just say that Dave looks and acts exactly like Bakugou's dad lmao.

Especially that part where Eleanor says "Because I wanted that mom! [...] Why does Patricia get that mom? If Donna Shellstrop has truly changed, then that means she was always capable of change, but I just wasn't worth changing for."

Obviously, you could argue that "why would anyone want Endvr as their dad? Why would Dabi want to switch places with Shouto? Does he not understand that Shouto was abused? That Shouto doesn't like Endvr?" - of course, the truth is that Dabi does know. So much so that he is, in fact, the first person in canon to actually openly tell the public that Shouto was abused by Endvr (considering Shouto himself doesn't even exactly admit this and instead only ever focuses on the suffering Endvr has caused Rei) during his broadcast in chapter 291:

sidenote: in Japanese he uses the word 手を上げる (te o ageru) lit. "to raise a hand" which is meant to say that someone raises their hand to commit violence, so he's explicitly saying that Shouto was hit (possibly because abuse is more of a broad term?)

So yes, Dabi knows that Shouto didn't have a loving dad. Even as a 13-year-old Touya knew that he himself had never had a loving, healthy relationship with his father and instead was tossed aside because he was a "failed creation" as seen in chapter 302 -

which then again raises the question of "why would Touya still want Endvr's attention?" and more importantly - why would it most likely upset him now to find out that Endvr has been trying to (or is attempting to try idk what to call it) change and make it up to his family?

It's a simple answer, really: because all Touya ever wanted was for his dad to look at him. To pay attention to him and acknowledge his existence, as stated multiple times, for example in these panels from chapter 301:

Endvr was never a good dad. Not to Touya and not to any of Touya's siblings. But kids still crave their parents' attention because kids are dependent on their parents and without having their existence acknowledged, they can't receive any love from them, either, so the focus has been on wanting his dad to see him because unless that happens, there is nothing else Touya can receive from his dad.

It's clearly not the same situation as The Good Place, where the formerly bad mom turns around and becomes a good mom for her new kid despite not having been able to do so for her first kid. Endvr still fails at being a dad, he still doesn't have a good relationship with his kids and it's unclear whether he will ever have a good (or even neutral) relationship with any of them in the future.

The similar part lies in something much simpler - the very foundation of someone changing and improving, which is their willingness to do so. It's the first step of many, but without it, one can't suddenly be better.

Dabi doesn't know how his family is doing now. He has no idea of any of their relationships with each other, so it's all just speculation to him based on what little information he does have, which is pretty much limited to seeing Shouto in the role that was originally planned for him. He doesn't know that Shouto doesn't get along with Endvr and that he remains unsure of whether or not he is ever going to forgive Endvr, but he sees that Shouto is fighting side by side with him and that he interned at his agency. With that, Dabi wouldn't be able to rule out the possibility of Shouto having a good relationship with Endvr now.

Either way, regardless of Dabi's theories surrounding the state of his family, the point still remains that Endvr sees Shouto, something Touya has been deprived of for most of his existence.

Even if he knew about the tension in his family, it wouldn't change the fact that Endvr had been able to look at Shouto, when he wasn't able to look at Touya. That is something Touya already knew when still living with his family and something he can still see now. More importantly, unlike with Touya, Endvr never stopped looking at Shouto.

If he found out about Endvr's attempt at redemption, it would probably hurt him more than it would help him considering Endvr's realization of the negative effects he has had on his family came a decade after Touya's death. So it's not even that Touya's death was a wake-up call. Instead, Endvr had to reach his own selfish goal of becoming the Number One first in order to begin to see clearly. And even that wasn't enough to enable him to see Touya. Instead, he pities himself in the hospital and then constantly focuses on other goals despite having promised his family to go look for his not-actually-dead-but-still-at-constant-risk-of-dying son.

The point is that Dabi is still suffering from his dad's inability to do the simplest task of seeing him, but it would probably break his heart to find out that Endvr has made even the smallest attempt at making his crimes up to his family (i.e. by buying Rei a house).

It's a matter of "if he is able to change" but the truly haunting part lies in "when he is able to change" because all Touya ever wanted was for his dad to change, yet the realization of that change finally occurring a decade after Touya was gone is painful as it could not have been meant for him.

Even if Touya's supposed death had played any part in Endvr's change of heart, it's not the dead that benefit from people changing, so how is he supposed to be happy about his dad's ability or willingness to change, when that just means that his existence wasn't enough reason?

[todomitoukei]

I hope that this doesn’t come off as me hating Rei because I don’t but I really hate how some people will empathise/sympathise with her for the abuse she suffered, and understand that her burning of Shouto was due to the abuse. However, they refuse to see the same thing with Touya and just demonise him, like “he attacked baby Shouto that was a sign he born evil”(literally big red flag that he was not ok) “he was manipulating Natsuo to hate his father” (or maybe he was trying to let his feelings be heard? To have at least someone be there for him?) hey at that point I don’t think Touya even hated his father then? He was still trying desperately to get his attention. Like why is it “the child was born evil” and not “shit woah the father made such a toxic environment that this child lashed out at his baby sibling” its ridiculous!

I don't think it comes across as hating her, especially since it's not her fault people are hating on her son.

Dabi haters have honestly mastered the art of mental gymnastics. They will throw accusations at him immediately and ignore all context as if that's how it worked. Like when they claimed he was sexist as if that conclusion made any sense.

Claiming a child is manipulative is just a big misunderstanding of how children work and ignores the fact that a child's behavior is heavily influenced by their parents. Of course Touya would get scared when Natsuo wants to sleep instead of keep talking, because his father already pushed him away so wouldn't he just naturally be worried that other people would end up doing the same?

And don't get me started on that whole "born evil" thing. Honestly, it's bad enough to claim that a person is "good" or "bad" but to say they are already born that way? There's a long list of reasons as to why viewing people as just one thing is problematic but it's especially ironic when it comes from people that will defend an abuser because "he's different now uwu" - at least be consistent about it?

They honestly act like he manipulated his father before he was even born. Maybe he should've consulted with his haters before making his broadcast so he could just use their logic (since he was trying to make himself into this big bad villain to damage Endvr as much as possible).

Why did he even say he killed people when he could've just said that he manipulated one of his brothers, tried to attack his other brother, and was sexist? Maybe with the help of his haters he could've already ended Endvr's career... maybe... the haters are trying to be supportive, actually... hmm...

[todomitoukei]

What characters in BNHA do you hate? Like is there characters you outright hate and characters who you don’t hate but don’t like either(like they had potential but then they ended up disappointing you)?

Endvr lol. I understand that shitty characters like him are important, but I don't think Hori handled his character well. The "redemption arc" was dumb af, like all Endvr did was defeat a Nomu?! Isn't that just him doing his job? Let's stop praising men for doing the bare minimum.

To be completely honest, though, I wouldn't hate him as much if I wasn't in the fandom because then I wouldn't be aware of the fact people think he has already redeemed himself.

When it comes to a character I was disappointed by and that wasn't even influenced by the fandom, it's definitely Dku. He could've been a great protagonist but Hori decided to make him this "flawless" person - by that I mean he has flaws but he doesn't get called out or have any self-awareness and thus doesn't do any growing?!

He was cool in the first few chapters but then he got his quirk and it all went down hill from there tbh. And considering the story is nearing its end, I doubt there's much more development happening or if he will develop more, it's gonna be extremely rushed.

Lots of people already pointed out that it would've been better if he had just stayed quirkless and I agree, it would've been a far more interesting story that way, but oh well.

I'm also just not a fan of the "perfect" protagonist that constantly gets praised by everyone around him like he's the only one that knows or is able to do anything.

To me, there are so many characters in this story that are simply far far more interesting than him, which makes it even more annoying that everything always ends up being about him or involving him like they're not capable of functioning without his help.

In short: if Hori had just made people call out Dku more and him actually doing some self-reflection and maybe ending up facing consequences for when he messes up that lead to him growing from those mistakes, it would have been a better story. Unfortunately, Hori chose not to do any of that, though I have no idea why since he is clearly capable of writing well-written characters.

[todomitoukei]

I apologize first and foremost, because I am about to go off, but oh my god I hate how Dabi's speech gets translated officially so much. It goes so much farther than just "things getting phrased things weirdly” sometimes. Dabi has a really interesting and very specific speech pattern where despite the dismissive, mocking, and even violent contents, the way he phrases things is usually notably less combative and assertive. The best example I can think of is the conversation between him and[1/4]

Tomura about not helping with Machia during MVA. The translation we got is stuff like "I'm putting my time toward that" and "I'm not going out in a blaze of glory with you" and "I'm looking out for myself", but the things he actually says are "I want to put my time towards that", "I'm not concerned with your inner thoughts", and "It's fine for me to move for my own sake, right?" In English it sounds like he's just making ultimatums, but in Japanese he's actually asking for permission. (Not that I'm convinced Dabi would have necessarily listened if Tomura said no, but that's neither here nor there.) 

Even outside of that example where he was literally deferring to Tomura (at least in speech), rather than making hard declarations or assertions, he usually tends to frame things as leading questions or use passive aggressive sarcasm instead. That inherent tension/disconnect between the things he means and the way he says them are part of what makes it much easier to believe that there could be more to him than just "he’s just an irredeemable villain who says awful things and is too far gone to save" and they just... totally toss it out in the English translation in favor of making him more rude and edgy sounding I guess? Its hard to even be mad at people who don't know Japanese and find him more one dimensional, because how the heck would they know if the translations don't bother to reflect it? Anyways, sorry for rambling, but this has been grating on me for ages.

Absolutely agree! I think what bothers me though about the current climate in the fandom is how they all claim that the official translation is biased against Endvr, but refuse to acknowledge the bias against the villains? Like sorry, but if they wanna claim we make up the bias against the villains, then we can say the same thing about them lol.

To me, the big difference is that when we talk about the bias against the villains it’s about how the official translation makes them talk and how it changes the things they say.

But the people who complain about this bias against Endvr are complaining about how other characters talk to him. And the changes aren’t even really there? Like I said, there are changes, but it doesn’t alter how we read him as a character, and the way the characters get translated still reflects how they feel and what they want to express (like those lines from Rei and Touya in chapter 301), it just sounds “a little harsher” but it also matches their facial expressions and the overall situation, whereas when Dabi suddenly speaks in the weirdest way possible and says things he doesn’t actually say (sometimes conveying a completely different emotion/message), it completely changes how people perceive him.

So no need to apologize for rambling, you are absolutely correct!<3

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It does really bother me though on how Endeavor isn’t getting criticised for his abuse but instead is getting support and by the looks of it the support of his family (minus Natsuo whom’s very VERY reluctant)! Like sure with what you said in the other post, it is fine to give him another chance I guess, but it doesn’t mean they could not have called him out on his shitty ways 🤷‍♀️ meh maybe it will be like you said so he can fall harder and in the end I just want Dabi saved!

Yeah I definitely agree! In a way it's realistic, but it's still frustrating especially how his family is still relatively nice to him (Shouto is at least reluctant and Natsuo is also his usual Endvr-hating self which is good) instead of walking in there and being mad at him for causing Touya so much pain that he became a villain...

It's definitely unfair how someone like him can pretty much get away with his crimes and the only thing people are mad about is that innocent people got hurt? Like that would've been regardless of the Touya reveal and regardless of Dabi existing. That's the kind of criticism All Might could receive, but Endvr definitely should've been called out more!

Let's just hope he'll face consequences eventually.

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Why does everyone think hawks is going to die

i think it boils down to a few main points:

hawks was raised and forced into heroics at an extremely young age by the hero commission

the hero commission instructed (read: forced) hawks to infiltrate the league

the league, which started off with about 8 or so members, now consists of over 100,000 participants and an incredible display of wealth & power. 

the commission places heavy emphasis on their willingness to destroy hawks’ reputation if it means saving the greater good

as of chapter 256, aizawa is suspicious of the hero commission, insinuating they’re up to something we don’t know about. 

(too fast for his own good.. kinda ominous hawks)

hawks is in a really bad place right now. he’s working as the only double agent against the largest, most influential villain association in japan, and it seems that the hero commission and endeavor are the only two who are somewhat aware of what’s about to happen. from what hawks witnessed at the paranormal liberation front debut, the villains have acquired as much power as the heroes, if not more. we’re possibly looking at a large-scale power dynamic shift in which the villains will begin to control society (hinted at in chapter 257). as a result, we’ll probably see a lot of death in the battles that ensue

the league is already suspicious of hawks. dabi doesn’t believe he killed best jeanist, they won’t let him get close to shigaraki, and they’re watching his every move with cameras, mics, and gps tracking (not to mention it’s kinda sus the #2 would be interested in their plan).

the plf plans to use hawks to spread their ideology, get any information they can on the movements of heroes, and then dispose of him when it’s necessary / when his role as a spy is revealed. simply put, they’re not going to put up with anything that could risk their plan right before it’s about to take off. if it means killing hawks, they truly don’t give a shit.

however, i think its the hero commission plays the largest role in setting up his death. they were the ones who picked him up as a child and groomed him into becoming a hero. it doesn’t seem like he had a choice at all. and from what hawks told endeavor, all he wants is an easy, stress free life. doesn’t seem like something a 22 year old top-10 hero with his own agency can really achieve. and as i’ve pointed out before, twice once mentioned that those who wish for an easy life are all headed towards the path of descent:

spooky. makes me wonder what all of this foreshadowing is building up to. but back to the commission: the commission, having raised hawks, 

can essentially “indebt” him into doing what they ask (as in, they see it as a small price to pay for providing for his childhood, etc. in other words, he’s obligated). hawks points this out when he mentions that the hero commission isn’t asking for hawks to infiltrate the league, rather, they’re forcing him to do it. no one’s gonna mourn a fallen hero with no family, no history.

furthermore, the hero commission states that, by taking this mission on, hawks will have to risk destroying his career, his reputation, etc. they’re asking him to abdicate his role as a hero in order to gain the insight they desperately crave. hence him (possibly) killing best jeanist, allowing a nomu attack on a city (which was supposed to have a few mortalities, according to dabi), and ignoring those in danger.

i assume that, once hawks is exposed, the hero commission can publicly denounce him as a traitor and strip him of all hero support. as we know from their general mission, if it means they get to preserve public trust in heroes by dumping hawks and blaming all of the nasty shit on him (he killed best jeanist, he was a traitor, he introduced the nomu that almost killed endeavor, etc), they’ll jump at the opportunity. why else would they set up a narrative in which his character will be destroyed if they’re not gonna drop him at a moments notice? plus its kinda weird that its a top-secret mission and hawks is the ONLY one who knows about this (with the exception of endvr now, too. though he doesn’t know the extent of the mission). it’s an easy cover-up. they see him as a dispensable pawn just like the plf does, but it’s supposedly “different” because they’re the “heroes”. aizawa made a point: they’re withholding a lot of information and are essentially self serving. something is up, and it’s not gonna fare well for our #2. 

sry im starting to space out so ill leave it there but basically, the hero commission and the paranormal liberation front both see him as disposable. the commission limited the scope of the mission to including hawks only, for if something goes wrong and they need to cover their tracks, he is their scapegoat. he will, as they mentioned, bear the face of corruption. and the plf, on the other hand, doesn’t care for his safety. i truly believe they’ll kill him if it’s revealed that he’s a spy. i don’t think they’ll let anything get in their way when shigaraki’s 4 month plan is about to be put in motion. and since the hero commission wont be there to help him out……… oops 😳

like. if he doesn’t die because of his involvement directly, i think there are enough death flags thrown about that hint at Some death in the future regardless of how it happens. it makes for a tragic story. he’s the icarus of the bnha verse. he flew too close to the sun and now he’s gonna suffer because of it . hawks, the man who’s too fast for his own good. u hate to see it.