#i genuinely think the way i view love and romance is skewed and broken but oh well!
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In love with the moon and moon dynamic they have really... neither of them are especially extroverted and have secrets aplenty,
They hardly say what they mean but are consice when doing so anyways.
It's nice.
#the apothecary diaries#jinmao#i love tropes but do you know what i love more than tropes?#dynamics that cater to me specifically as a weird individual with a twisted view on romance#i love romance but i love it twice as much when its non traditional#when they suffer for and from each other#im always told to let my ocs be happy but simply how could i?#if love is a battlefield then why should your lover strictly be on your side#i think overcoming betrayal is a good way to instill a deep yet tentative trust with someone#why? well you know exactly what this person can do to hurt you#you can have an idea of what may be the worst#and yet you have the trust that maybe theyll never do it again#but to me it reinforces the fact that love is devotion and not just a feeling#choosing to love despite hardship just speaks levels to me#āafter all of that after all youve done to me and i still love youā is so good#i wrote it into one of my own oc stories so i think im just biased :)#maybe im brainwashed bc so many married couples seem to hate each other but they wont get divorced so#idk#i genuinely think the way i view love and romance is skewed and broken but oh well!#i like it better this way!#complex relationships make my brain itch
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when does sirius figure that heās aroace(/that he doesnāt feel the same about romance and sex as his friends)
psa this is talking about canon sirius
firstly, i feel like sirius has always had a skewed point of view on love because of what was displayed by his parents in his childhood. he believes love is conditional and that you can earn it, in fact, he believes you have to earn it. (this is part of why his relationship with regulus isn't as close as the fandom perceives, he doesn't think regulus has earnt his love or vice versa.) in first year that belief starts to be deconstructed by james loving him unconditionally and what he learns about james' parents.
in third year is when sirius first thinks something is wrong with him. james is obsessed with lily and he just doesn't understand why. peter was asked out by a hufflepuff and they go on a date and sirius doesn't understand why pete would say yes to someone he doesn't know well. he still struggles to believe that you don't have to work for love and he also fails to understand the concept of attraction.
in fourth year both sirius and remus can't sleep and sirius starts going on a rant about how he doesn't understand how james and pete want to go out with girls and not spend time with remus and himself anymore. so remus asks him if he's gay and he says yes. that must be it. and pleads remus not to tell anyone.
fifth year has girls asking sirius out left and right but he says no to all of them. in the first half of the year, the day after a full moon he and remus are talking after he had brought some chocolate to him and remus finally confesses his crush on sirius. sirius doesn't understand why you would like someone like that but is too afraid to hurt remus' feelings and split the group apart so he fakes attraction back. the prank happens at the end of fifth year and that's how remus and sirius break up. their relationship was messy enough, trying to hide it and sirius trying to give remus the romantic and sexual love he wants. sirius and the rest of the marauders stop talking and he leaves for the summer break ostracised.
james and lily start dating at the start of sixth year and james can't stop talking about how wonderful lily is and all the dates they go on and sirius catches james and lily having sex in their dorm too many times. peter is dating sybill trelawney and sirius is over it, he just wants the marauders to go back to the way they were in the earlier years. he's still awkward around remus and their relationship never truly fixes itself. at the end of the sixth year he goes home to find regulus getting his dark mark and is completely over his family and everything that's gone on with the marauders and relationships during the years. he packs a trunk and heads to the potters and breaks down in effie's arms saying that he doesn't understand love.
i genuinely think sirius could live his whole life without knowing what aromanticism and asexuality is but i'll give this a happy enough ending anyway.
throughout seventh year the marauders, lily, mary and marlene get closer because of their ongoing fears about the war. marlene had always been a close friend of sirius, even staying by him during the aftermath of the prank, and their friendship had always been queer, even including marlene letting him know she was a lesbian in fourth year. he lets marlene know how he's felt over the years and how he just doesn't understand how broken he could be. in return, she lets him know she had a muggle friend who feels similarly and they go by the labels aromantic and asexual. he finally feels a sense of clarity within himself and his lack of attraction and takes on his labels, but because of the upcoming war he never gets a chance to tell the marauders.
#.msg#ā
#sirius black#aromantic sirius black#asexual sirius black#aroace sirius black#sirius black headcanons#marauders#marauders era#oli !!!!!#lovely people
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whatās the issue with elisop? is it just bc you hc aesop as ace? im so concerned by seeing ppl adamantly opposed to mlm/wlw ships but im also genuinely curious about why you dislike it and other lgbt ships so much lol
hmm. that is a strong accusation, n i find it just a bit odd. are you new here? or perhaps you are taking personal offense at my dislike towards a favourite ship of yours and using the lgbt argument as moral high ground?
whatever the case may be, i thank you for asking. if u r truly looking for an answer, its below the cut n it is very very long. mind u these are all my personal opinions n i am in no way policing how others enjoy ships. just in case this wasnt clear; i dont wish to start discourse on this blog, especially since my takes are probably... unpopular.
firstly i would like to address theĀ ādisliking lgbt shipsā bit, because this has very strong implications in itself. i have nothing against lgbt ships. i enjoy them, even. if the two characters have chemistry between each other, i ship it. however, the moment characterization is broken for the sake of romance, i lose interest. this is generally my stance on ships in general, n this applies for both straight n lgbt ships.Ā
the ships themselves are fine. however, i do have issues with the ship dynamics, so ill let u in on that.
i want to touch on mlm ships in particular; i believe u are familiar with the top/bottom dynamic that is rampant in these kinds of ships? (i wont deny that this dynamic can be found in other types of ships, but for arguments sake i will be focusing on gay ships because i feel that this occurs more commonly here) its such a popular dynamic that is prone to stripping the personality from one if not both characters, only for them to be reduced to being dominant/submissive. for a character to be pigeonholed into a stereotypical category based on... preferred sexual positions? its just downright insulting, never mind the larger more problematic implications of it. top/bottom is not indicative of someones personality, by the way. flattening multi dimensional characters into these stereotypes is so so so insulting.
unfortunately this is The Most Popular portrayal of just about any gay ship around. ive seen it being used everywhere in so many fandoms n it just about becomes apparent to me that ppl come to stories looking for a Ship. not the stories, nor the characters, just a ship. while id like to say theres nothing wrong with that, keep in mind not everyone is just looking for 2 characters that look pretty next to each other. if i ship something, i see interesting n meaningful interactions between 2 characters, which is so often not the case once u bring in the top/bottom dynamic. why is it so popular? because somehow this is what ppl like from a gay ship n hence it sells. ppl want the drama, characterizations be damned. ppl want to see the big kiss that happens in the end, n maybe the sexy parts that come after. characterizations be damned.
so u can say im a little wary of gay ships when they cross my feed. hell, as a joseph aesop shipper i see this trope everywhere n im pretty disappointed as well. small tangent but i feel like this is the reason why zh0ngli n ch1lde is so popular in g3nshin. i try to see the appeal, i really do, but after a long while of analyzing their respective characters i dont think they have as much chemistry as ppl think they do. dont even get me started on how incredibly ooc they make either of these very interesting n unique characters in ship portrayals. all because of the top/bottom dynamic that ppl want to see. i say this for that particular ship, but this is pretty much the case for a lot of ships out there, n the latter part is painfully true even when the 2 characters do have potential between each other. ill say it again im disgusted by the blatant disrespect to the characterizations if all ppl ever want is 2 pretty puppets to mush lips together. cos thats what theyre essentially reduced to this way.
n its so obvious to see when an artist subscribes to this rhetoric, because u can so clearly see it in the way they draw their characters. theĀ ātopā generally has sharper features to go with their ādominating personalityā, while theĀ ābottomā has disturbingly softer, feminine, dare i say sometimes child like features āto submitā. n thats where the uwu soft gay trope comes from, i believe. which, in case u still dont know, i hate with a burning passion.
so again for ppl with impaired reading comprehension, im fine with ships, including lgbt ones, but the moment u break characterization for the sake of the ship, im not that okay with it. u want to do it for a short crack comic? fine. but if thats the only way ur portraying the 2 characters then im immediately wary of ur content. ill still look at it cos usually the art is really good, but im very very wary. so im notĀ āadamantly opposedā, just very critical of how the ships are being portrayed. if other ppl want to enjoy their ships like that, sure. just dont expect me to join in on something i dont agree on.
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now id like to address not shipping ābecause i hc aesop as aceā. for ppl who are new to the blog (hello there), im an ace in a romantic relationship, so thats definitely not the reason i dont ship elisop. its more of being in a relationship has largely shaped my views towards romance as a whole. even before i met my boyfriend, i hated the romance genre in stories n media. most of it comes off as incredibly forced, especially those love triangles they seem to love putting into teen novels. thats one reason why i stopped reading when i was younger, but i digress.
did i partake in shipping when i was younger? i did. for a gay ship too (if anyone really wants to know, its kurotsukki from haikyuu. at least this was one that i can remember, i was mostly working on my 20 odd ocs for the longest time). i also used to write little short romance ficlets that i never posted anywhere cos i hated (n still do hate) my writing. but writing romance when u dont have experience was really just a way of projecting n probably a way of coping for myself, not that i knew at that time. but after i actually started a relationship with my boyfriend (whom i love n cherish a lot thank u very much), i began to see how much all these have skewed my views towards romance n have actually done some harm to our relationship. the bullshit that the general media feeds u constantly doesnt help in the slightest either.
quick topic shift to elisop in particular (about time, right?). i already stated that i only ship characters if i sense chemistry between the two personalities, n if u have seen the part where i dont ship elisop then u must have seen how agonized i am over not being able to have a concrete personality for eli. that is the main problem i have with elisop: eli does not feel like a solid character to me. n that is a huge problem, because if he doesnt have any defining characteristics besides being mild n nice, then he can be whoever i want him to be. (i have done this in my exorcist comics, i will admit this. n the fact that i can just do that... it really does not sit well with me personally.)
n that is dangerous.
back to young me doing lil ship things. i think its also pretty safe to say when u really do ship 2 characters, chances are u kinda really relate very very hard to at least one of them. that very quickly can turn into projecting, n shipping therefore is notĀ āexploring the relationship between 2 charactersā n it becomesĀ āmy preferred dating simulator 101ā³. of course this isnt always the case, but at least it was for me, n subconsciously it might be for lots of ppl too. n since this is ur mental playground, u call the shots, n there is no consequences if u slightly (or even entirely) alter one or both personalities to fit ur desired narrative. n u wouldnt even notice or know, cos ur blind to ur own biasness.
we bring our perceived notions into real life, im sure u know that. so when ur partner does not become that perfect knight in shining armour, or when they get upset at things that u do (which is a very normal thing by the way), n u think (very subconsciously), That isnt what my otp would do, something is wrong here (nothing is wrong, actually its just ur skewed perception of a stable romantic relationship). why wouldnt ur otp do this? because u are both halves of ur otps, there is no hidden secrets between them (apart from the pining part but thats irrelevant), n again they have been altered to fit ur preferred narrative.Ā
a real relationship requires a lot of communication between parties, because newsflash, liking someone doesnt mean that u have to like every single thing they do, they will make mistakes n it will hurt u, n guess what, the reverse is also true. if u do go with absoutely anything that they would do with 0 objections whatsoever, ur not crushing on someone, ur idolizing them, n that power imbalance is detrimental to a relationship. these things are not obvious to ppl, especially when the whole climate is hell bent on getting into romantic relationships by a certain age or some bullshit. communication is key n is pretty much the only way to solve relationship issues, because the other person has a lot that u r not seeing n vice versa. as similar as 2 ppl can be, i doubt u can have 100% the same thoughts on all things. i dont make the rules.
so in ur mental playground u focus on the fluffy parts, maybe there is communication, but rarely is there any meaningful conflict. thats unrealistic, n if u bring that mindset to an actual relationship, thats not going to end well. i say meaningful conflict, because yes, generally u shouldnt have conflicts with ur significant other. but inevitably when ur with each other for long enough, u will realize that there are habits that u must change in order to be with the other person. habits that are harmful to the other person directly, or harmful habits towards yourself that indirectly harm the other person. these are meaningful in a sense that if left alone, it will manifest into larger problems that will harm u, the other person n the relationship as a whole. its meaningful to the relationship.
all these is made even worse if ur neurodivergent. maladaptive coping practices, self sabotaging behaviours, inherent disabilities. all these must be adjusted n addressed. im so incredibly thankful for my boyfriend for being incredibly patient with me when working all these out, n it has not been easy for me to work on myself n all my problems, n im still not done working on them. this aspect is often not explored in romance in general (or properly), n there is a very good chance i would have still been stuck in the unhealthy mindset of āthis isnt like my otp, maybe weāre not meant to beā. because loving someone is a choice. no one is made for each other, it is a conscious choice made between 2 ppl to make things work. this is how arranged marriages work, i am told, n i do see the appeal, not that it actually does appeal to me culturally.
special mention to the kurotsukki ship, cos from there i found a very, very good fic that explored their relationship before n after getting together, n it actually showed aspects of this problem in the incredibly slow burn of (at that time) 20+ chapters. it was just one fic (n a very good one at that, i believe it was called Leviticus), but it had a lesson i never thought i needed to learn, n learn it i did, with a lot of help from my dear.Ā
this is also probably the reason why i dont really want to delve too much into romance now. i know its a lot of work, n everything (mostly) that the media feeds u is really false advertising, but ppl eat that shit up n so it remains one of the most popular genres to date. im just very wary that if i do start on a romantic story, i want to be able to show it in a way like that fic did, the truths of relationships, because i dont want to make something that sells, i want to make something that meaningful to me, if a little indulgent. n that also includes being very careful in how the respective characterizations will change in a relationship. almost too careful now that i think about it, but its not something that i mind. i was never one for romance from the start, n now im very careful about shipping because of what happened to me persoanlly.
okay enough about me, lets talk about aesop. in any au u put the character in, the essence of the character must remain despite the change in environment. so lets say we have ur typical modern au. dead mom, check. shitty mentor doing illegal stuff? also check. autistic boy with social anxiety? weāre good to go. all these have implications on aesop as a character, n while ppl are aware of this, again the way they go about portraying it can go, in my personal opinion, very wrong. ppl who immediately woobify aesop completely because he has autism annoy me. ppl who reduce him to uwu soft boi cos he has social anxiety do not know how the disorder really works n as someone who has that i hate it to the core. ppl who do all these for the sake of ship have lost my respect. its insulting.
remember the top/bottom dynamic? not that elisop is completely free from that (even if i dont know much about eli, to put him in either one of those stereotypes feels very insulting to his character. i wont even say anything about doing it to aesop its so upsetting), but its not entirely made up of either. but now i want to introduce another trope i am very wary of, which isĀ āi can fix himā. im sure u guys have seen the meme going around poking fun at this trope (for those who havent, its along the lines ofĀ āu can fix him? well i can be his worst nightmareā) n no doubt yall would have seen it n gotten sick of it in some forced hetero romantic bullshit. we have one damsel in distress with a saviour that solves all their problems just by existing n being romo with each other.
rememberĀ āmy preferred dating simulator 101ā³? this is not mutually exclusive n from my point of view this is dangerously close to this trope. lets be real, if it was actually a thing that all ur deep rooted trauma magically disappears if someone were to waltz into ur life, we would want it. definitely. no painfully dissecting ur own problems n constantly facing them head on. real life states that this is not the case, but it will not stop us from dreaming. n so this trope is born n lives n will go on.
(finally) pulling aesop n eli into this, at least in my mind, u have one severely traumatized boy with lots of issues n u have this. nice mild guy who can be anything u want him to be. i hope u can see where im going with this, n thats the direction i see some elisop heading towards (i dont read a lot of elisop to be fair). if u came from my eli character talk, i mentioned that it is incredibly one sided. this is exactly what im talking about.
putting it all together in case u havent already, aesop is the damsel in distress, whose problems magically disappear because of elis godly kindness n little to no work on improving himself, n they lived happily n gayly ever after.
can u tell how much that does not appeal to me.Ā
never mind the butchering of character that inevitably happens somewhere somehow, the unrealistically perfect themes n implications of this trope makes me so viscerally uncomfortable. this is, of course, due to personal reasons, n i definitely see the appeal of this dynamic because i would probably have been interested in this once upon a time as well. but as i am now, with everything i have explained up there n everything i have been through, i would politely rather not.
n its difficult to think of another dynamic, because of how little i know about eli apart from him being this saint, which easily makes him a candidate for being aesops trauma panacea. never mind aesop rarely, if ever, does anything for eli as a character in return, n its so damaging to buy into this rhetoric, where a person like this who would solve all ur issues no strings attached exists somewhere in the world. they really dont. a relationship has to be mutually benefitting, or it will be draining n disastrous. maybe u say, Oh its nice to imagine it once in a while. n yeah, i agree, except once in a while is a little difficult to keep track of n that is sort of what happened to me. id rather stay as far away as possible from this kind of unrealistic fantasy, i just got this shit sorted out with myself n my boyfriend.
i have some other reasons, but theyre more personally problematic, so i wont go into them here. but this is mostly n generally why i do not ship elisop romantically. if u do, u do u, and have fun, but again dont expect me to join u. thank u for coming to my ted talk, this took a lot longer than expected.
#mun rambles#its me the mun#unconcerned ramblings#posting this now cos this is a question ive been getting#although this has been worded in the most unnecessarily passive aggressive way possible that i do not appreciate#im wary about all u so called social justice warriors championing this n that liberal idea when all u want to do is stir shit#thankfully i dont have much experience with this but just passively seeing all these ppl run their mouths is getting very annoying#but just know that i will not tolerate any of that bullshit here. because if u really do care about ppl as much as u say u do#then why r u attacking ppl period#ur really just hiding behind a righteous excuse to harm people. thats disgusting. i dont want u here
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A Dissertation to Prove that Alice Quinn from The Magicians is a Lesbian Experiencing Comp-Het
some of my twitter friends requested i post this on here so @alicequinnlove i hope this is good! (keep in mind this was written before the second half of season 4 so some things are out of date)
1. Her attraction to Quentin as compulsive heterosexuality
Alice only expresses attraction to Q once he has expressed attraction to her
Jumping into a relationship with the first guy to show interest in her despite knowing they donāt necessarily work (and that she is better than him)
Never feels sexual fulfillment in their relationship (until that one ep) but not saying anything about it
Rebounding quickly with another guy after Q cheats as if she is trying to prove something to herself/him
Every time she talks about sexual encounters before Q she says they were all uncomfortable and very impersonal
Look, as someone who struggled with comp-het for a LONG time and has dated guys because of itā¦ Q is exactly the type of soft, nerd boy that is perfect for closeted lesbians to try and date as a means of making themselves seem straight. Heās non-threatening and when you donāt want to confront your sexuality it can be easy to trick yourself into getting crushes or turning friendships into something more.
Not entirely supporting my point because I do think opposite sex friendships are very important but; the fact that Alice was far more upset about her trust being broken and losing one of her best friends than the relationship ending
2. Her inherent unease around other women
Alice is uncomfortable around other women but not because she feels threatened by them. In fact, we donāt really know why sheās so uncomfortable with them at first.
Alice has no close female friends thus the way she views her interactions with women is skewed through Hetero Goggles
She would have no frame of reference for determining if there is a difference in her feelings toward women/patricular women
With Margo in particular, Alice is uneasy which I would chalk up to:
Margo compliments Alice/her body often
Margo being so comfortable with herself
Margo blatantly flirting with her at times
They have tension
I meanā¦ā¦ Margo/Alice Rights!
3. Magic often functions as an allegory for The Gay
Alice has always felt out of place
She fears her own āmagicā
Her family didnāt teach her any magic she had to find it on her own
Magical found family narratives are for the gays only
Unaware of her own potential, still hasnāt unlocked it
She holds herself back in her magic, just as she does in every other aspect of life
4. Sex in this show is barely ever just sex
Basically everyone in this show uses sex as a coping mechanism
Especially Alice
Alice sleeps with Q because sheās stressed and worked up in Brakebills South
People had also been telling them to sleep together or speculating the would for months
She may have felt like it was what she was supposed to do
Her immediate distrust of the truth of her feelings once they get back is not something you would expect from someone who is getting what they want
She often says, āI love youā to Q but never says that she is āin loveā with him. An important distinction as this show displays many different forms of love.
Alice sleeps with Penny when Q cheats. Why does she do this? To get back at him presumably but I donāt think sheās that petty. I think it was insecurity. Her trying to prove herself to herself.
Alice kisses Q/has sex with Q post-break up only in emotionally intense scenarios where she is overwhelmed by grief, power, or both.
Kissing him at the tree
Having sex with him when she gets back from being a Niffin
Carriage ride to the fight with the Beast
5. Alice has never really had friends
Her experience with comp-het and her inexperience with friendship would very likely lead her to misattribute close feelings of friendship with attraction.
I have personal experience with this so I feel this assumption is justified
Since she knows so few people and Q is the only one she has a close/friendly relationship with she clearly feels the strongest connection to him
She instinctively distrusts everyone and doesnāt let people in easily so it would be hard to know her true feelings
If we could see her in a close female friendship in this show I think she would bond quickly and strongly (as she did with Sheila)
Itās not that she doesnāt want friends, itās that she has a hard time letting her walls down which ~gay~
It would be invaluable to see her have a close female friendship as we could compare that to her season 1 interactions with Quentin and decipher her behavior
Her few friendly interactions with Margo had a lot of tension before she and Q got together
6. Alice has not expressed attraction to anyone since her last encounter with Q in (I think) late season 2.
This encounter was an instance of sex not just being sex. It was her being overwhelmed after coming back from being a Niffin and seeking comfort/distraction in something familiar i.e. Quentin
Since then she has:
Not expressed in interest in getting back with Q
Not had sex with anyone
Not mentioned an attraction to anyone
Made no insinuation of lingering romantic feelings for anyone she has previously been involved with (with the exception of Timeline23!Alice but as she is not Our Alice she is not relevant)
Her attraction to and intimate interactions with Q have been nothing more than physical since season 1
They have slept together again multiple times but it was always because of some bigger emotional turmoil and not love
She said she didnāt want to get back together with him after the threesome and I think (in terms of a real relationship) she means that
But she used sex as a coping mechanism since Q was familiar/her closest friend and it made her feel like herself
I donāt think either of them have had genuine romantic feelings for each other for a while but U believe Aliceās went away faster (because she never really had them due to comp-het)
7. Gay Coding
A lot of aspects of this show are unambiguously queer-coded
There is no such thing as gay panic in this show so there is no need to be weirded out over gay stuff and if you are you are portrayed as the weird one (ex. Hymen)
Aliceās cold intelligence and manner is pretty lesbian coded
Her style is high femme and I will not be told otherwise
8. This doesnāt fit into a particular spot butā¦Ā
When Q mentions the dream that Penny walked in to involving her and Julia kissing, her problem was not with herself kissing another girl or even that it was a kinda gross fantasy for Q but rather that Q was thinking about his former crush alongside her.
She doesnāt dwell on the gay of it all just the fact that Q is subconsciously thinking of his old crush
9. I would argue that Aliceās inability to find sexual pleasure with Q (until that one ep) is a ~problem~ on both of their parts.
Partially due to Quentin having no clue what to do
But I think mostly due to the fact that she doesnāt really feel sexually attracted to him
The one time it is āfulfillingā to them it is because they are trying to get Penny back
Alice is determined to get shit done so Iām sure she is capable ofā¦. Fulfilling her part in getting Penny back even if she didnāt really feel as much as she should
As Iāve said, they never really have sex just because, thereās always an external factor (as far as we the viewer are aware)
10. She had more chemistry with Penny than with Q despite ālovingā him
11. Her previous experiences
She was standing up and at a party for all of them according to her
These interactions are:
Impersonal
Likely the result of alcohol
Clearly not fond memories
12. Niffin!Alice and Dark!Willow are Very Similar in quite a few ways, enough said
13. Her feelings for Quentin feel like the āIāve decided to have a crush nowā
As I said, she only expresses interest in him once he has expressed interest in her
Crush comes out of nowhere
She seemed very professional with Q at first
She skips friendship and goes straight for crush
But the crush was really friendship
Her romantic feelings for him are contingent on how emotional she is
14. Alice awkwardly avoiding talking about the Incubusā penis
She doesnāt wanna say penis lmao
15. New Addition: āBut she and Q got back together!ā
I felt the need to address this additional point and why it doesnāt effect my theory.
Once Alice left The Library she was a prop for the rest of the season.
Logically they have no reason to get back together as theyāve both been growing far more on their own than they did together.
I think her going back to him only serves to prove she is only with him because she desperately wants to feel loved even if she doesnāt quite understand her own feelings
Alice is reaching out to reconnect with Q in an attempt to gain some of her old self back
She knows she cares for him and that he cares for her and she automatically assumes that romance is the logical answer for those feelings
Itās comp-het babey
Them getting back together was a cheap ploy to add more emotional weight to Qās death
If anything I feel it supports this theory
In conclusion, Alice Quinn is a lesbian. Send tweet
#this is a mess hopefully it's okay lol#watch me get hate on this even though i haven't actively done anything tm related since like april w egg nation#ill die on the lesbian alice hill#alice quinn#the magicians#tm#the formatting on this is so ugly on mobile I'm so sorry
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Binge-Watching: Zero no Tsukaima S4, Episodes 4-6
In which I talk about the context of Louise and Saitoās broken bath toward romance, I finally feel the love tonight, and the hot springs episode can fuck off forever.
What is Love? (Baby Donāt Hurt Me)
You know, for all the time Iāve spent dissecting this show for they way itās treated Louise and Saitoās relationship, it comes to mind that Iāve never really given much thought to the nature of their relationship itself. Part of thatās definitely on the show, of course; thereās only so much you can analyze how two peopleās love operates if itās constantly being interrupted by distractions from all directions. Still, this is a romance show (at least in theory), and itās not like thereās been nothing to chew on in that regard. So now that things have settled down a bit and the picture of their relationship has started becoming a lot clearer, letās take a step back and consider just how this love functions.
Saito and Louiseās biggest stumbling block has always been how the difference in their upbringings has affected the way they view the world. Thanks to her noble background, Louise has always put a lot of importance on formalities, appearances and social codes, and her crushing inferiority complex has led her to cling to them even more strongly as a way of keeping her pride from falling apart. Saito, meanwhile, has always felt listless and directionless, just another Japanese kid adrift in the flow of life, and heās learned to just ride that flow for his own self-benefit. As he tells Henrietta at one point, he truly believed that not really trying to accomplish anything important and just letting lifeĀ āhappenā was the mature thing to do. In short, Louise has always put too much personal investment in stupid bullshit that doesnāt really matter, and Saito has always put too little investment in the things that really do. Thus, the story of their developing romance (again, in theory) has been the story of both of them realizing whatās really important in life, either rising to the challenge in Saitoās case or letting go of things that are keeping you from it in Louiseās.
Whatās really crushing to think about in this regard is how easily all the things that donāt end up working in this story couldāve been used to its benefit with just a little tweaking. Saitoās tendency to not put much stock in things is a perfect excuse for him to keep blowing off his true feelings and fool around with other girls, while Louiseās inability to compromise on her skewed perspective would explain how easily antagonistic she gets towards him whenever he screws up. In fact, the more I look back on the past seasons, the more I realize that might have been the intention all along. And that would have been interesting! Sure, it still might not have been entirely my jam as a noted Ecchi hater, but using these elements not as a way to slam on the brakes of Louise and Saitoās relationship, but actually develop it, would have been a fantastically smart way to have your fanservice cake and eat it in the service of narrative and character to, if that tortured metaphor made any sense.
Grow Some Balls, Saito
Where my problems have been in the execution of that idea, as Iām certain youāre all aware by now, is that the show has constantlyĀ tried to have it both ways. It keeps pushing Saito and Louise into situations where it feels like they have to get together at this point, where their feelings and interactions are genuine and honest and you feel like they finally understand each other enough to do the deed, and then it yanks them right back with another misunderstanding that doesnāt fit with their just-established emotional clarity. So instead of a slow build toward mutual trust and understanding on a constantly upward climb, we have a series of jarring peaks and valleys where the level of clarity these two have with each other see-saws back and forth at the whims of the writer. Saito still being a lecher after, say, his and Louiseās steamy make-out session in Season 2 Episode 4 no longer fits with the character heās become, nor does Louiseās inability to trust his explanations for the flubbed tryst with her sister after the same. Thatās the real source of how dissatisfying this narrative has become; you can never trust that any growth these two experience will ever stick. Even now, in a fourth season thatās actually managing a lot of things right in this regard (but more on that later), weāre still seeing those same problems crop up. This time, though, it really does feel like the blame for which one of themās screwing up the trajectory falls mostly on Saito.
Remember, his arc, such as it has become, has been about him learning to understand the importance of actually caring about things, symbolized by his increasing realization that he wants to stay by Louiseās side. Itās been about learning to open himself up to trusting her and investing in her, to stop screwing around and share his life with her as equals. And heās become really committed to that idea: he even straight up tells Louise at one point that no other girl makes him feel the way she does. Thatās love, ladies and gentlemen. So why is he still so fucking bad at resisting everyone elseās advances? Why can he not just shove Siesta off of him whenever she brings her boobs into the equation and tell her,Ā āno, Iām committedā now? Why is he still okay with every single girl in love with him sleeping on the same bed as him (even if Tabitha casually chilling on his crotch got a snort out of me. Girl has no shame and I love it)? He has the decency to finally shut Henrietta down after he gets over his confusion about her making a move on him, so whatās making it so hard for him to do the same with everyone else, especially when he knowsĀ how much itās pissing Louise off? This is no longer who Saito is. Hell, it was never really who he was before Season 2 shittily retconned him, but Iāve harped on that enough. If heās grown enough to truly commit to Louise, he shouldāve grown enough to shut out all the other potential suitors for good. The character doesnāt feel consistent, and because of that, the showās continued insistence on dragging out the harem nonsense remains eternally frustrating.
Bridging the Gap
And yet. For all my continuing complains at how at odds with itself this show continues to be, the tentative hope I developed in my last post doesnāt feel misplaced. Because for all the bullshit weāre still wading through, Zero no Tsukaima F is not the same unapologetic garbage fire as the last two seasons. And for all Louise and Saitoās maddening inconsistency, they are a couple. Itās official. We can hem and haw about the particulars, but the way they interact leaves no room for doubt: they are actually committed to each other. At long last.Ā
And in the 70% of the time where the show lets them beĀ a couple, with no bullshit getting in the way? Itās really goddamn enjoyable. Their interactions feel genuine, like two dumb teens who truly care about each other and are constantly fumbling over the best way to express that. Re-enacting the first time they danced together? Charming. Their increasing comfort with exploring sex? Comforting. Saito trying to channel his hormones into cringeworthy dirty talk, only to be interrupted by Siestaās most hilarious cock-block yet (āLunch is ready, meowā)? Love it. Siesta actually being helpful to the main ship by placing the blame for Tiffaniaās come-on on TiffaniaĀ herself, as it indeed was, preventing us from another bullshit misunderstanding? Was that even the same show? Hell, I was even really taken aback by how much the briefĀ āLouise sees Saito kissing the queenā arc affected me; Louiseās reaction being one of despair and acceptance, while Saito being too struck with guilt to stop her from running away, was a thousand times more heartbreaking than the opposite would have been.
Like Kirche says at some point, Love isnāt rational. Itās weird and confusing and you donāt always know where itās leading you, and sometimes something you know to be true can keep you from feeling the opposite. But we fight for it anyway, because the way it brings us together is worth fighting for. Itās taken us far too long to get to this point, and it in no way redeems the mistakes of the past or present, but Iām just really goddamn happy that this romance has finally become something worth fighting for.
Fuck the Hot Springs
But because Iām still nothing if not a jaded asshole, thereās no way Iām gonna get out of this session without bitching about the hot springs episode. From the moment I saw it bubbling up on Saitoās new property, I was cringing inwardly; I knew it was gonna suck. The time-honored tradition of anime trying to save money by putting out low-effort episodes with lots of panning shots of girls in minimal clothing is something that I would really love to see die out some of these days (looking at you, unnecessary fanservice in SSSS.Gridman). And this episode is a pretty good example as to why; because the problems of this trope tend to grow far beyond just the cheap pandering of the camera. It feels like the world of the show itself has to warp to accommodate the unnatural sexual focus of this one episode, and as a result, a lot of characters and situations end up feeling really forced and unnatural just for the sake of getting more skin on screen. Remember when the guys at least had the ādecencyā to try and peep on the girls bathing in private? The hot springs episode doesnāt, because now theyāre just throwing themselves right out into the open like a bunch of fucking idiots. Was Henrietta ever catty and competitive over Saito, as opposed to conflicted and reserved in her feelings? Nope, but donāt tell that to this episode, because we need a naked wrestling match, dammit! That last oneās particularly galling, giving how loving Louise and Henriettaās relationship has always been (I mean, whether you see the undertones or not, these two care for each other a whole fucking lot); there is no scenario in which these two characters would get this petty with each other, except in the context ofĀ āthe writer was lazy and wanted to focus more on the tits for this episodeā. Iām just glad everything seems to have resolved comfortably enough by the end and, because pool/beach/hot spring episodes are like chicken pox, I donāt have to worry about this bullshit showing up ever again. Weāve got six episodes left: hopefully, thereās still plenty more good stuff to come before I bid this fractured franchise goodbye.
Odds and Ends
-āWhen youāre turned to dust, you canāt appreciate a womanās backside!ā Get it? Because Osmanās a pervert? Did you get the joke, audience? Did you get it? DID YOU?
-I appreciate that Guiche has a rose in his mouth for the reward ceremony. Heās such a Tamaki.
-āI had something on my face, and she was helping me get it off!āĀ āThatās the lamest excuse ever!ā DRAG HIM MON-MON
-āShall we go?ā alskdjasd everybody ships them too
-Super happy that Tabitha got her mom back. Thatās been a long time coming.
-āIf sheās melons, does that make me coconuts?ā Oh Kirche, Iāve missed you.
-āHiligiel Saitin!ā We Ember Island Players now bois
-āGoing to sleep.ā Tabitha is not one for pleasantries, I give her that.
-āShe wants to hatch an egg!ā Because all teenagers think about getting pregnant so young. Blegh.
-āYouāre not a cow!āĀ āMoo.ā DRAG HER SAITO
-āIf even the chair making fun of me?ā Apparently so.
-āThis roomās haunted, so Iām exorcising it!ā pfft
-Current headcanon is that Tabitha isnāt actually in love with Saito and is just being so possessive of him to spur Louise into action. That seems more her style.
And so we continue. See you all next time!
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