#i don’t think that King is Rauru but it could be cool in a future game

[zeldadiscussions]

“The way all of the other races follow the Hylians/the Hyrule royal family unquestioningly makes these games monarchist/imperialist propaganda.”

The other races don’t do that, though?

In BotW the older Zora were straight up like “we hate Hylians!” at first because they resented Hyrule for failing to prevent the Calamity and therefore Mipha’s death. Races that are generally loyal to Hyrule can clearly lose that loyalty given a motivation to do so. In TotK King Zora lost his trust in Zelda and by extension Link when he thought she attacked him.

The Yiga exist because there was at least one Hyrule king who was a bad dude. He persecuted the Shiekah to keep them from being a possible threat to his power, and the repercussions of that betrayal still exist to the modern day. The Yiga sure as heck don’t blindly follow Zelda.

Many people follow the Hyrule family yes but unquestioningly? Blindly? It really doesn’t seem like that’s the case.

[sittingoverheredreaming]

TOTK is so great but its story mostly doesn’t hit for me so

THINGS I WOULD CHANGE (major spoilers ahead)

Sonia purposely reaches through time for help against Ganondorf and that’s how Zelda ends up specifically in their time

Rather than being the first king and queen of Hyrule, Rauru and Sonia are the Zonai rulers in an unspecified past era prior to the 10,000 years ago of the Calamity legend

Also, instead of being Zelda’s ancestors, they are Link’s

BULLET TIME IS CLEARLY A TIME POWER, ZELDA DIDN’T HAVE TIME POWERS IN BOTW

BotW/TotK Link is more than just an ordinary dude but there’s no sign he’s chosen by the goddesses like in some other games so why not say he’d descended from the Zonai and a magical monster fucker with time powers

This also makes more sense why they think Zelda could make a difference, because her powers wouldn’t just be copies of Rauru and Sonia’s 

I think also it would be cool to have her be the Sage of Light while Rauru is the royalty/leader of the sages, basically a role swap from Ocarina of Time

Ganondorf (implied to have been resurrected rather than born into the Gerudo as a new man) originally wanted to ally with the Zonai against Hyrule 

Rather than being with the Gerudo, he’s with the beginnings of the Yiga clan (the Yiga are said to have been formed after the first Calamity, but the Shiekah have had a long cycle of being used and then discarded/persecuted by Hyrule’s rulers so I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to have it start before and history has just misattributed it to post-Calamity)

Part of Ganondorf’s argument is that the Sheikah of the time are copying Zonai designs and technology for the Hylian Royal Family’s use, and must be stopped (so much was SO similar I really thought it would be addressed)

The Royal Family already has the blood of the goddess/Triforce/etc, and still they reach for more

Ganondorf blames Sonia, as she is Rauru’s Hylian wife, for the refusal, which is why he targets her specifically

But the Zonai are a fading people, and even if they had the strength and numbers to stand against Hyrule Kingdom, the Sheikah using their technology and building on it is a way their work can survive after they’re gone, and they bear no ill will towards Hyrule

I wish I could have Sonia not die because I love her but that part of the story and the Light Dragon stuff are both solid

BUT before shit starts going down WE SEE HER AND RAURU’S KID. They clearly have one and I’m mad we didn’t see it, why will Nintendo not show us characters’ kids (yes I am still mad Age of Calamity didn’t address if Urbosa had a child/heir) 

Bonus points if the kid like, accidentally enters bullet time while playing around and that’s how Zelda starts putting together that she’s with Link’s ancestors

From there the past mostly unfolds the same as in-game, but maybe with a little more individuality from the sages so the moment when they see Zelda fly off as the Light Dragon hits a little harder

Rauru’s final lines about Link also then will have the weight of knowing Link is his descendant, Ganondorf has failed in eliminating their future

The present is mostly the same as well, except Link gains recall from a tear Zelda hid for him that amplifies the time powers he already has, rather than her giving him her own powers

Then in the final fight, once Ganondorf has swallowed the tear, he moves to attack Lookout Landing, and Link does the only thing he can think of to save everyone– he sends Ganon, along with himself and the Light Dragon, back in time

The fight progresses as it does in the game, up until Link breaks open the tear on Ganon’s forehead

Instead of dying, all Ganon’s malice pours out, coating the dragon and making it near invincible

This is the origin of Calamity Ganon

But this is not the time of legend, it is before, while the Shiekah have begun their work based on the Zonai designs, they are not prepared for an attack

Ganon must be sealed until they are ready, and there’s only one person who can do it

Link calls on all the power of the sages through his hand, reaching through time to draw their power and combine it with his own, and uses everything he has to reverse the tear out of Zelda and return her to her original form

His magic arm shatters in the process. He does not get his original arm back

Zelda seals the Calamity, knowing it’s temporary, knowing that even after everything she’s done, she cannot prevent the tragedies that have already happened. The best they can do is know that they’ve paved the way for their future where he can be fully defeated.

We end on her collapsing against Link, silent for a long moment, and then just, “Link, take me home.” 

[lolilou-lagaf]

I’m re-watching the ToTK cinematic and I was thinking about the story.

The sages are so undeveloped, but there's so much missed potential with the Sage of Lightning specifically?? (spoiler under the cut)

Like Rauru, just, gave a secret stone to a Gerudo after their goddamn king killed his wife, really? Why? How? And why is a Gerudo siding against her King? Yes Ganondorf is evil but they were chill with it when he sent a bunch of Molduga to Hyrule.

Well ok, they probably were not all chill with it. The Sage of Lightning definitely doesn't like Ganondorf, so she probably didn’t like him before the whole bloody moon thing. But how did she convince Rauru to let her join them? She had to give him a hell of speech and to prove herself if she didn’t want to be killed on sight after the death of the queen. Raaah I wish we could have seen this.

Not wait Zelda! Zelda know the Gerudo are going to be good guys(? good gals?) in the futur, and she saw Urbosa as a mother figure! When she saw a cool Gerudo warrior she definitly was like "yeah she's trust worthy and also her descendant is going to adopt me so we should let her join". But i wish we saw more interaction with sages.

I also wish to know what the hell was the sage of Lightning doing before Ganondorf stole the stone. Because there is only 2 option:

She was part of Ganondorf's clan, probably a lower rank that didn't know much about the king but still swear to fight for him and became horrified when she saw what he would do with power (less likely but interesting)

She wasn't part of the clan and was already opposing Ganondorf as the King of the Gerudo. (more likely but less drama, although she could already have some rivalry with him and make thing harder in his political maneuver in Hyrule)

And were all the Gerudo suddenly abandoning their king after he finally became the ruler of Hyrule? Yes yes, monsters and malice are not the best politics, but all of them? Ganon probably didn’t care about his own race, he was probably only seeing them as a tool for his egomaniac quest of power. But some of them had to stick around because they were following him for so long. They were probably even aware of what he wanted to do, so I don’t think they would be surprised when he became evil.

Wait, but there is some follower of Ganon, the Yiga! But they are descendants of Sheika??? It would make more sense if they were descendants of Gerudo that followed Ganondorf, even after his ascension. It could also link (haha) to BotW quest when the Yiga clan targeted the Gerudo's artefact.

In conclusion: I need more story about the Gerudo