#i deleted the comment on the art in question so the person in question doesnt accuse me of hounding them with my followers or smth later

[cyphyra]

see this chat? this is an example of egregiously overstepping boundaries when commenting on my fucking art

not only is this incredibly gross but if you even tried she (I) would kick the shit out of you, learn consent dumbass

[grxceblqckthxrn]

TDA characters as types of tiktokers

y’all KNOW i’m bored when i’m doing this shit lmao 

i’ll get around to doing the other TSC characters eventually TDA was just the first to come to mind also if you’re not actively on tiktok some of what i say might not make sense ahaha

also i named some tiktokers who yall can use for reference for some of them and from what i’ve seen they’re all fairly unproblematic so you should check them out!!

EMMA CARSTAIRS

okay so she’s DEFINITELY super popular and she uses her platform for good

she’s really funny and a lot of her audios go viral posts videos of her dancing saying that she cant dance but she’s actually really good at it

6M followers and growing fast 

 hypes up her boyfriend’s account ALL the time

calls out misogynistic/racist tiktokers through duets and KEEPS THEIR TAG IN THE CAPTION  

 she is not afraid of starting drama lmao

occasionally hops on POV and transition trends but its usually satire 

emma can’t act for shit lmao 

super active on tiktok and has a spam account

people are always asking her to drop the skin care routine but she doesn’t have one?? 

*pushes Zara down* “and no one’s gonna help her?? WOW some world we live in”

JULIAN BLACKTHORN

there’s no way he doesnt  have an art account lmao

a lot of his paintings go viral but 90% of his comments are 14 year old girls thirsting over him

yall know that pottery guy on tiktok?? the cute one?? (i searched up his account just for this post he’s @/daxnewman769) that’s the best way to describe him

literally all the famous tiktokers commission him

probably has like 4M followers lmao

will occasionally make about how respecting women doesn’t make you a “simp”

doesn’t get into tiktok drama tho

posts candid videos of emma and all his jealous 14 year old fans get so pressed but he shuts down anyone who says anything bad about her

sometimes does painting or drawing tutorials and he’s really good at teaching stuff lmao

CRISTINA ROSALES

omg okay so like yall know those really pretty girls on tiktok who are literal models and are always dropping tips on how to frame your face for pictures and best clothes and poses and whatever  ( @/ameliezilber is the first person that came to mind as an example)

thats her

alot of her content is just for the aesthetic

BLING EFFECT

GRWM’s all the time

10 step skin care routine 

GOOD VIBES

has a pretty decent following?? like at least 2 million

has a spam but it’s exactly the same as her main lol

also calls out problematic tiktokers but not by name

her entire account is full of body positivity and does a bunch of stuff on loving yourself

sometimes does POVs and all the comments are like “@ netflix hire her rn”

sometimes posts crack videos with emma and cute vids with mark and kieran

MARK BLACKTHORN

does a lot of reaction videos and duets

a lot of his videos go viral but he doesn’t have a huge following like maybe 800k

 everyone still knows him

gets at least twenty “are you wearing only one contact” comment about his eyes every post

he’s really funny without even realizing it 

sometimes goes inactive for weeks at a time and just forgets that tiktok exists lmao

shows off kieran and cristina ALL THE MF TIME AND EVERYONE IS SO JEALOUS LIKE HOW ARE ALL OF THEM HOT

KIERAN 

doesnt have a tiktok lmao sorry

but shows up so much on mark’s and cristina’s that a lot of people know who he is

DIANA WRAYBURN

unironically does POVs but is actually good at them??

lots of videos talking about the struggles of minorities like LGBTQ+ and POC and women

posts a lot of those vidoes that are like “what to do if you ever get kidnapped” “red flags in relationships” “most powerful parts of the body” etc

probably has like 500k followers 

at the end of the day she doesn’t really use tiktok that much tho ahaha

LIVVY BLACKTHORN:

does a little bit of everything??

posts dance videos sometimes 

omg her transitions are SO good

everyone is in love with her and she has to remind them that she’s a minor (i’m just a kid plays aggressively in the background)

posts videos that are just vibes?? like her skating at night, dancing in traffic with dru/her friends, walking through the city at night etc

lots of lip syncing videos to whatever sounds are popular and all her comments are like ���i wish i looked like this” “guess im not eating today” and she gets so upset :((

she wants everyone to know that they’re perfect the way they are!!

also posts POVs sometimes and she’s not that bad at them ahaha 

probably has like 1 million followers 

doesn’t even need a spam just posts everything on her main 

shouts out her sibilings accounts all the time

overall just great energy

TY BLACKTHORN

never posts his face on his main but he does on his spam

yall know those accounts that post fun facts or psychology facts?? his is like that except he talks to explain them and everyone finds his voice SO calming 

he posts a lot of content of animals and everyone is in AWE with how good he is with them

his username is probably theanimalwhisperer or something djkfskjd

every single time he posts Kit on his account all the comments are like “OOH ICU” and “SHIP” and “ASK HIM OUT ALREADY”

he gives 0 shits about popularity on tiktok he’s just posting for fun because he likes teaching people about his interests

so he has like maybe 500k followers

lots of philosophical questions that has everyone questioning their existence

ugh i love him

KIT HERONDALE

be honest this is what y’all were waiting for 

yall know those unproblematic ppl that everyone refers to as the “king(s) of tiktok”???

yeah thats him

SO FUNNY

LIKE HIS CONTENT IS GENUINELY HILARIOUS

lots of sarcasm and satire

think @/adamkindacool  ?? (one of my favourite tiktokers lmao)

does reaction videos for those “pov: im the annoying hot cheeto girl sitting next to you in math class” videos

dark humor (not like rude humor but actual dark humor)

like “i put the baby in the oven and the pizza in the bed” type of jokes back when those were a thing

has like 4M followers but almost every single one of his posts go viral so he’s gaining fast

lots of pranks

starts a bunch of trends

any video he posts of Mina goes viral

sometimes he posts some really weird stuff that has everyone laughing so hard irl (@/benoftheweek)

he NEVER thirst traps but still gets a lot of those weird sexual fairy comments on his posts (iykyk)

TO BE CLEAR I MEAN THE FAIRY EMOJI ONES NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM BEING FAE 

reacts to the comments with a video of him just staring at the screen with the “oh to see without my eyes” or “im just sixteen” audio going on in the background which only encourages them to make more weird comments

anyways everyone loves him

any of his povs are pure jokes meant to make fun of pov’ers

posts maybe one serious tiktok every 5 months that talks about being respectful and using your platform for good

“i miss old tiktok”

posts a lot of random videos of Ty where, again, all the comments are shipping them except even more so on his account because everyone can see his heart eyes for Ty

collabs with Dru a lot and does a bunch of duets of her videos

everyone loves him bye

DRU BLACKTHORN

SO many memes

she deletes any hate in her comments bc she honestly doesnt care to respond to them and doesn’t need that kind of negativity in her life

but one time she got a “the f in women stands for funny” comment and she WENT OFF

does really dark povs sometimes that are really interesting

CLOWN MAKEUP + SCARY CLOWN TIKTOKS ( think @/avani ‘s clown make up posts

REALLY good at makeup and sometimes gets julian to do scary makeup on her for tiktoks and povs (like those ones with stitches over the mouth or skin peeling off)

huge ally!! posts a lot about minorities struggles and white privilege, and acknowledges hers

does movie reviews and stuff sometimes

“types of” videos

pulls a lot of pranks on her sibilings with livvy and sometimes with Kit

lots of body positivity + self love

calls out back-handed compliments

also has a lot of content like Livvy’s of just vibing in LA

julian and emma and mark go off at anyone who sexualize her in the comments

probably has like 650k followers

posts a couple of times a week

BONUS: 

JAIME ROSALES

lots of skateboarding videos idk he just gives me that vibe

doesn’t post that often but is super popular

like maybe 1.5M followers

really passionate about systematic racism

HATES all those privileged white boys using the “this is america” audio to pretend they’re oppressed ( this is a may 2020 thing so it probably wont make sense to anyone who sees this after lmao)

POSTS A LOT OF THIRST TRAPS LMAO 

also posts lots of videos that’s just him yelling about stuff but they’re really entertaining to watch ( like that guy sebastian @/sauceyogranny)

everyone thinks he’s super hot he always shows up in those “hottest boys on tiktok” videos except sometimes he’s just the token POC boy and it makes him mad :( 

DIEGO ROSALES

HIS ACCOUNT IS SO PRACTICAL LMAO

lots of tips 

“what to do if you’re trapped in the desert” “what to do if you’re kidnapped and stuck in the trunk”

doesnt reply to comments EVER unless it’s to clarify a point he made in the video or answer a question

has like 200k

okay thats it lmao im done bye this took me like an hour to make

i’ll get to all the other characters from the other series’ eventually 

also if yall are wondering abt the lack of f*ckbois in this post they’re coming dw

TMI CHARACTERS AS TYPES OF TIKTOKERS

TID CHARACTERS AS TYPES OF TIKTOKERS 

TLH CHARACTERS AS TYPES OF TIKTOKERS

[molusca]

she apologized for how she handled the situation and apologized for brushing off someone's honest criticisms as hate. what more is she meant to do? throw herself onto a pyre? is she not allowed to feel lousy that this whole thing blew up in her face? because she's an adult and she made a mistake, she's not allowed to be sad or stressed? she's still an imperfect human. apologizing immediately usually means people are still sensitive to their own hurt of being called out because it's fresh and on their mind so it tends to slip into their apology, but if she had waited any longer to compose herself, you guys would probably have an issue with how long she took. also, in aaaaaallll of this, I've have yet to once see what exactly about her work is so problematic? I've read her fic and I personally can't see anything wrong, although I will admit that yes, I'm a white ciswoman but I'd like to think I'm aware of negative tropes. but the only thing touted is "it made an mlm uncomfortable" but HOW??? honestly, I want to know! if anything so I can avoid doing the same thing! how is anyone meant to learn when you're not bringing up these points as often as you're explicitly laying out the problems in her apology and whatnot. I've seen 6 posts about how shit the apology was and for why and I've not once seen the original comment detailing why the fic was problematic, and I've been looking on twit, tumblr, insta, and ao3. if it's been deleted, why isn't anyone stating again and again what's wrong? also, if someone is making fic/art you don't like, don't. interact. with. it. there's tons of stuff on ao3 and twit that I don't like, some of it that I think is disgusting (do you know how many fics there are with keith/kosmos?) and I just scroll past it cause it can't hurt me if I don't read it. there's one artist that's pretty popular on Twitter and I personally really hate they way they draw klance but it's all over my tl. I respect that person's art style and creativeness and keep on moving. other people enjoy it, good for them. and if I start reading something and get surprised with something I dont like, I leave! find people who write things you like and stop engaging with creators who's things you don't like, as far as I know no one is holding a gun to your head making you read problematic fic. also for as much as you rag on her for the words she used to apologize, you don't seem to be considering your own words when offering criticism. if Taylor mistook the person's words as hate, couldn't it have been because the way he worded the complaint was done hatefully? lastly, no one, absolutely no one, is required to talk about world issues when they're running a fandom account,no matter how "big" they are. we all know what's going on in the world, we're surrounded by sad and stressful stories practically 24/7 and if someone isn't, they're probably curating their social feeds to be that way (like you should do when it come to kl content creators you don't like). people sending hate in Taylor's defense are in the wrong I agree, and this isn't hate its critism its a discussion, but Taylor isn't responsible for, how many people did you say? 16k on twit? even if she said hey guys stop, you think they would? she's can't control all those people and expecting her to is nonsense. I see so many younger fans expecting perfection in their fandoms and that just isn't going to happen. yes we should be striving to be better but no one is ever going to be perfect. not you, not me, not the mlm person, not Taylor, not anyone on any side of this argument. the only way to avoid this kind of circular dog piling and hate sending is to better curate your fandom experience by ignore those you have issues with.- 🦛

she apologized for how she handled the situation and apologized for brushing off someone's honest criticisms as hate. what more is she meant to do?

im pretty sure i said its good that she realizes she handled it poorly. but she makes the whole apology about this, doesnt directly talk about the issues and i know someone went to her to talk about it. also, it took her a day to say something about it so it wasnt exactly immediate (in the sense people had already stopped talking about it but that doesnt mean they werent still bothered). the apology was directed at mlm, and i havent seen one saying it felt genuine. of couse she can be hurt but when you apologize to a marginalized group the focus shouldnt be your feelings, but the feelings of the ones you have hurt.

I've have yet to once see what exactly about her work is so problematic?

she admits to be projecting on lance. so she makes him very femine and keith very masculine. and ok, gay couples like that do exist, but she is a woman projecting in this situation so this bothers people. putting mlm in this position is a harmful steriotype, bc it feels very heterosexual. this is a trope, it unfortunately happens a lot and its harmful. women need to be aware of what they are representing when drawing/writing mlm because well, real mlm are going to see it, and no one likes to feel like a fetish to others. and its not our place to question if the criticism is right or wrong when we are not mlm, so if you read this and think “but thats not a problem thats not a fetish etc” well, its not your place to judge that. theres more to it and you probably could get a better answer from a mlm sorry.

if someone is making fic/art you don't like, don't. interact. with. it. there's tons of stuff on ao3 and twit that I don't like, some of it that I think is disgusting (do you know how many fics there are with keith/kosmos?) and I just scroll past it cause it can't hurt me if I don't read it.

please, lets not compare a minority pointing out harmful tropes with. something fucking illegal.

as you said, you are a cis woman, of course its not going to hurt you in this case. but if people are making harmful content its not a simple matter of “dont interact with it” because they will still be promoting it, other people are going to read it, and media influences how we see minorities so of course people will not like when they see bad portrayal of them. also, tumblr sucks so even if you want to just “dont interact with it” its hard because even after blocking you can still cross the content of someone. not sure how it works on twitter but anyway this discussion started on tumblr and tumblr doesnt stop people who were bothered by her to avoid her by blocking.

if Taylor mistook the person's words as hate, couldn't it have been because the way he worded the complaint was done hatefully?

i think she deleted the ask by now, but i dont remember the ask being hateful. i remember someone asking if she was a fujoshi, and another person mentioned that mlm didnt like the way she portrayals klance. i dont remember it being hateful. but again, she apologized for handling it badly. its just that she stops there.

no one, absolutely no one, is required to talk about world issues when they're running a fandom account,no matter how "big" they are. we all know what's going on in the world, we're surrounded by sad and stressful stories practically 24/7 and if someone isn't, they're probably curating their social feeds to be that way

ignoring world issues is a privilege. if someone is able to turn off from all the problems in the world, its a privilige. yes no one should talk aobut it all the time thats not even healthy, but to never talk about it is a privilege. thats what black people are saying, they cant just turn off from racism, so yes they are going to expect white people to do something. online honestly i cant do shit, i dont think anything i reblog here does a difference and i do what i can in my own country, but she has a plataform that could help bring awareness. again, its a privilege to be able to curate your social media to be a perfect happy place.

even if she said hey guys stop, you think they would? she's can't control all those people and expecting her to is nonsense.

maybe they wouldnt, but if people were doing this type of thing in my name, in my defense, i would at least say something about it idk. she cant control them but she makes nothing to show that she disagrees or look for the people being harassed to say something about it.

the only way to avoid this kind of circular dog piling and hate sending is to better curate your fandom experience by ignore those you have issues with.

when it comes to simple things like “i prefer taller lance and i dont like taller keith” yeah, its fine to ignore people who draw taller keith and move on with your life or something like that. but we are talking about mlm, a real group of people, being upset for being portrayed in a harmful and steriotype way. its everywhere in fandom, and in real life. they cant escape from real life, and then they come to fandom where everyone wants some escapism and have to deal with more issues. its tiring

[merrybandofmurderers]

how are you so racist and ignorant while masquerading as woke??? you writing about mage rights doesnt make you an activist. and your shitty tropes and gross consumption and creepy portrayals and enjoyment of stuff from other culturs and brown paper dolls is nasty. whhy dont you actually do the work instead of pretending? cuz people of color are countin on you and your fake wokeness is gonna hurt them

first of all, i think i’ve written like one? maybe two things? about “mage rights”. like, yes i’m invested in the mage storyline due to the way bioware handles them with their awkward oppression metaphor and i’ve reblogged plenty of posts about it, but also mages aren’t like, real. i’ve definitely written more on behalf of the shitty handling of bioware’s elves and generally poor handling of their queer characters and characters of color and vivienne specifically (and i definitely reblog stuff by fans of color about bioware’s racism)

(if this is about my defense of anders, i’ve read posts by several muslim fans of late and i realized i’ve probably reblogged posts/made comments that were islamophobic or bordering on it; i will go through my blog to delete/fix the posts i can find)

second, in regards to shitty tropes, gross consumption, and creepy portrayals: is this about the fic i write? the fic/art i reblog? is this becuz of something i ship (fenders? adoribull? pavellan? varricass?)? is this because i like enemies-to-lovers and heavy angst? becuz i like age differences and exploring power dynamics? because i like grappling with the darker side of things like consent and trauma? specifics would be helpful

wrt my pavellan fic specifically, there were problems in early versions in dealing with racial issues and there was an instance of criticism i didn’t handle well, i admit; i’ve since fixed those to the best of my ability. i have been guilty of reblogging questionable art/edits of fenris and sten; i’ve gone through my blog and deleted those i could find. i avoid content that makes light of abuse or rape

third, i’m afraid i don’t know what you mean but “enjoyment of stuff from other cultures.” did i use an inappropriate pic for an edit? something culturally appropriative in a picrew? i will go back and look, but a starting point would be helpful

fourth, brown paper dolls. all right. so look. i have 60+ characters (90 something including kids). i know for most ppl in fandom, they have 1-3 characters that get the most attention, that the creators are most invested in, and in many cases are a personal representation in some way. that is not how it works for me

my characters are racially (and gender/sexually diverse) because thedas is diverse. making characters is by far my favorite part of story writing, and honestly if this were a novel with sixty ocs and they were all white, it would be weird (in fact i have seen ppl called out for making “too many” white ocs). i have characters from all over thedas with different backgrounds. pieces of myself go into my characters but none of them are a representation of me. i’ve never hidden my race or used my characters of color as a mouthpiece

i’ve also never worked under the illusion that my characters of color will ever be as authentic or deep as those made by creators of color. i put in a lot of effort to flesh them out and avoid relying on stereotypes (which is something i’ve had to improve on over time, i admit) and i like sharing them with my followers, but i know there will always be a level of authenticity i can’t provide, and i’ve always done my best to support creators of color because of that

i know there are some character designs i didnt put too much thought into and i’m presently working on fixing that. i need to work on finding more accurate faceclaims and i’ve closed that page until i’ve done so. i have a lot of ocs, and i simply cannot give them all equal attention at once. if a character seems shallow its becuz i havent found the time/spoons to talk about them or its ruminating in my mental headspace until i can focus on it

if there is something egregious i have overlooked, again, i would deeply appreciate a starting point

lastly, this is the second message to this effect i have received. i don’t know if it’s by the same person, but since i received the last one i have been trying, and it’s distressing to know that hasn’t shown. i don’t know what words to use to express how hard i am trying. i thought i was being aware, i thought i was rectifying my problems, i know i can’t catch everything but i thought i was doing everything i could

look, i know it’s not anyone’s job to educate me, but since you have taken the time to contact me about this, it would be vastly helpful if you could give me something, anything specific, as a starting point. i’ve thought so much about this, i thought i’d identified the problems, and i thought my actions showed that. but if they haven’t, then obviously i am missing something and i need help. if you could give me that, i would deeply appreciate it

EDIT: also pls no one comment on this unless you are a poc

[somethinglgbtrelated-blog]

intro to me and this blog

hi. my name is sebastian. i am 14 almost 15. i am transgender (he/him). i am still questioning my sexuality but right now im trying on bisexual. in the past ive tried on asexual, but if i am in the asexual spectrum im probably more demi. all i know for a fact right now is that i like men more than women so im not straight.

i am single and i wanna boyfriend real bad. i have the big hopeless romantic energy ™.

i like to draw and do artsy stuffs. i play guitar, acoustic and electric. i am an emo. i like the bands my chemical romance, twenty one pilots, fall out boy, panic! at the disco, nirvana, and queen was my bitch before the movie (i like many more bands but im not listing all of them). if i didnt have music i would die.

i like to consider myself pretty chill even though i am a shy, nervous wreck.

about this blog:

im hoping this blog can be a safe place for people to talk and share their stories, opinions, etc. about the lgbt community. ill try to answer questions if you have them but i may not have all the answers. i will not delete opinions and respectful comments that do not share the same opinion as me but i will delete hate. this is a safe place. if you cant be respectful to people if you dont agree with something then i will delete comments and/ or block.

if i post memes i will probably get them from other people because i am not creative. i will make sure its clear something isnt mine and credit the person who posted it if its a tumblr user. if anybody doesnt want me to repost their stuff just tell me ill take it down. i will also respect posts that say no reblogs.

all art that i post will be mine. you can use them as you wish as long as you dont claim that its your own work.

i will also be posting my opinions on important topics. they may or may not be lgbt related (but they will mostly be lgbt related).

rules:

slurs: you can call me slurs (as long as youre not trying to be offensive) and you can call yourself slurs. but i will not tolerate you calling other people slurs even if you are friends and you know they are comfortable with being called slurs. all comments with slurs (that arent referring to me or yourself) will be deleted.

cursing: dont curse. you can say hell and damn other than that no exceptions.

opinions: you can always state opinions even if they are uncommon. i will not delete because of your opinion. i will, however, delete your comment if you are being disrespectful.

questions: ask me any question you want, lgbt related or not. if i am not comfortable sharing please be respectful and do not pressure me into answering. i will always answer your questions. if you cannot handle a response that you disagree with do not ask the question. i am always willing to answer questions and help with anything you need, but i may not know everything you ask.

straight people: straights are allowed on this blog as long as you are respectful and know that this is a gay blog. do not hate on straight people just because they are straight, do not hate on gay people just because they are gay. being straight is ok as long as you are accepting.

what does being disrespectful mean?

breaking the rules (cursing and calling people slurs). getting mad at people for no reason. not paying attention to other people’s opinions and considering it, only caring about your own opinion. telling people theyre wrong or that their identity is not real (you can tell someone what you think about their identity, but you cannot include the other things that are disrespectful).

if you do not respect the rules your comment will be deleted and depending on the severity of the comment i will block you.

[honooblze]

Why JP&CH yoi fans are hating Kubo? Does Kubo love yuuri/victuuri?

Read an article on a Chinese apps about yoi production team and Kubo sensei discriminate and hate yuuri katsuki and victuuri. In order to praise her beloved yurio and his ships(otabek x yurio, Victor x yurio), Kubo sensei has mocked and criticized on yuuri katsuki not only once since early 2017. People from Japan and Chinese community are guessing the official yoi is trying to change the protagonist to yurio.

Disclaimer: I am just trying my best to translate this article into English. I didn't write or own this article. I did asked for permission to translate. I am sorry if this sounds strange to you. Apologize on my shitty English. But Japanese and Chinese yoi fans are not quite happy with Kubo and official yoi lately. For a better insight of this issue you can go to some Japanese/Chinese/Taiwanese yoi community.

Original text:

http://madaopeinifangfei.lofter.com/post/1e8a4380_fd952f1

Why am i writing this, i have says it on my weibo (chinese facebook)

the relationship between production team and fans is not simply giving and receiving. it is materialistic. we are communicating through money. However, not every production team is smart enough to take response from fans. if you only receiving from what they give you, the result may not be pretty.

i am not bragging about yoi fans and i am not trying to play smart. in this case, we are all victims.

luckily japanese yoi fans are trying their very best since april 2017. in my opinion, yoi production team is listening to fans’ opinions. however i cant promise you all that the production team will listen to your comments and thoughts and give you the ideal yoi film or season 2. if the production team is listening to our opinions, why cant we bargain with them?

10th feb

during allnight boardcasting, kubo sensei mentions about dvd and bluray bonus, “do you want to see yurio skate?” “this comic will make yuri’s angel very happy.”

3rd april

animate releases the designed of yoi storage box which drawn by kubo sensei

the picture of victor and yuuri’s figure skating practice is in the draft. however it has disappeared from the finalized design.

10th april

pash magazine may vol. is released. yoi content is about Sayo Yamamoto interview, she mentions, “(vol.6 first press and all vol. bonus) this will make yurio and otabek fans really happy and delighted. the quality of yurio’s figure skating performance is the 2nd best! (the best will be stammi vincino)”

 Sayo Yamamoto promises “all victor in vol. 6 will be perfect and flawless” (which is “true”)

at the same time   Sayo Yamamoto says in vol 6 there will be some slight changes which make the relationship between each character change.   Sayo Yamamoto’s interview had brought some discussions and fights among yoi fandom. his speech implies in vol.6 there will be no full version of victuuri’s stammi vicino. this makes many yoi fans hesitate to order vol.6

moreover, in this promotion interview, yuuri katsuki’s name is NEVER MENTIONED

on the same day

yoi official twitter announces vol.6 first press bonus

it is obvious that the last first press bonus is yurio’s welcome to the madness and complete vol. bonus comic, it hints kubo sensei will be the author of the bonus comic and the comic will be about yurio and his figure skating performance.

10th-16th april

yoi official twitter deletes yurio’s figure skating performance twitter as top post

16th april

da vinci news reports yoi vol.6, the title is “yoi first press bonus makes fan excited, must order” this report is not quite reporting the real situation, because of this yahoo news, some fans are questioning on the official yoi

24th april

yoi official twitter posts the cover of vol.6, and says the bonus will include stammi vicino  with no subtitle version.

29th april

announce there will be yoi film

16t may

postpone the release date of the setting art book for the third time, and post a picture titled “prize giving ceremony”. in this picture

-the height difference between victuuri is strange

-victuuri are not wearing their rings and victor is wearing his gloves which contradict with GPF ceremony in the last episode of yoi

-yurio’s facial expression is so different from the anime

-yurio’s shoes have some miskates

-JJ is missing (he is the second runner up)

-there are shades on victuuri’ faces

people are pointing out these strange elements and mistakes from this picture. the illustrator of this picture says on his own twitter he had drawn victuuri’s rings but the publisher take them off with “some reasons”

17th may

the illustrator of GPF ceremony closes his twitter (says he closed it on 16th may)

the fusosha (a japanese publisher) changes the title of this picture to “off shot after GPF prize giving ceremony” however this cannot explain to victuuri’ fans why the hell yurio is standing in the middle. fans are criticizing yoi again.

at the same time, in the description of animate’s setting art book bonus, it was still GPF prize giving ceremony

18th may

illustrator of GPF ceremony says this picture is all about yurio’s smile. he drew this because of his smile. his attitude makes yoi fans angry because he wants to push the responsibility to victuuri’s fans.

21st may

an otayuri fan suggests fans go to a japanese book shop to get otayuri “magazine” on twitter. yoi fans says this magazine might be complete vol bonus comic and she immediately deletes her twitter account.

22nd may

in late night, this fan changes her profile picture to victuuri’s beach scene in episode 4, and she apologized about her bonus comic tweet.

at around 1 am, yoi fans question her motivation in changing her profile picture to victuuri. then she deletes her profile picture.

8pm, official yoi and animega apologize on their official twitter, due to some misunderstanding, staffs mistakenly send out 11 copies of complete vol bonus comic.

after 23rd may

suddenly there are many posts which criticize on victuuri’s fans hate content of first press bonus, also there are many posts criticize on the scandals of official yoi.

25th may

because of that otayuri fan, people realize there are not many victuuri in the bonus comic. fans are spreading this news all over the internet. also, yurio’s personality is so different in the comic compare to the anime, it is wired that victor as the coach allow yuuri lifts himup and victuuri are not wearing their rings, etc. these strange content make fans so confused and puzzled.

some fans points out that kubo sensei in the appendix commentary says yuuri doesnt have any friend in front of yuuri’s cv(voice actor), this make yuuri’s cv and yurio’s cv so embarrassed and dead air for a long time. at last yuuri’s cv tries his best to end this awkward situation. also kubo sensei is not looking happy throughout the whole commentary. the only time she is excited is when victor is holding yurio in his arms. her attitude makes fans question about her interest on yoi. gradually, kubo sensei shows her hatred to yuuri(and yuuri’s cv and victor). her hatred(or i will say anti-yuuri and anti-victuuri) makes yoi fans discomfortable and angry. many fans are hoping and telling kubo sensei to quit yoi production team. at the same time fans are questioning if kubo sensei truly creates yoi.

at last in the appendix art book, the age of all characters are not available. otabek and yurio as teenage are performing slightly inappropriate are making some fans feel disgust and disapproval.

26th may

release date of vol6, official yoi twitter is not excited

in the evening, the news of Hiramatsu Tadashi’s illustration for ost makes the official yoi twitter excited. according to yoi fans, like and share of Hiramatsu Tadashi’s illustration tweet is 2 times of release vol6 tweet

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this girl and her friends had analyze why the official yoi is sort of hating yuuri and victuuri because of changing sponsorship.  she did not include any screencapture of the above incidents.

I love yoi since october 2016, i love yuuri at the very first episode when he is crying in the bathroom. I have bought tons of magazines about yoi and whole set of yoi bluray. in my opinion, i can sense kubo sensei is not that into yuuri at the very beginning but i never question about it because hey, i dont wanna argue with anyone. it is obvious that kubo sensei likes victor and yurio. just look at her twitter.

i am not saying that this is the truth. but i translate this girl’s article just want to raise your awareness on victuuri and yoi. to be honest, both japanese and chinese yoi fans are not quite happy recently because of the official yoi’s attitude. many great fanart artists and fanfic writers abandon yoi because of kubo sensei’s attitude and ofiicial yoi’s attitude.

if yurio is going to be the protagonist and have all the attention and be the central uke.i will not watch season 2/film. i will not support this yuri on ice and please kubo go away. if you dont even like yuuri katsuki. let hiramatsu sensei do the work. at least he respects all the fans and the characters. besides the official yoi disgusts many of us that they are trying to make yoi yaoi but then they deny this anime is yaoi or what so ever. its like telling you 1+1 is 2, when you learn that then slap you in the face saying this is wrong. i dont mind the production team wants more money from yoi but like listen to what fans want please.

we want victuuri. victuuri is the reason for us to watch yoi and love yoi(or figure skating if you like). if you think yurio can make you gain such a profit/success? go ahead because we only need one tsundere protagonist in anime which is ritsu onodera.

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Tagged by @bleuses and @yuanxiaos !! I answered some of mathilde's questions and somd of lin's, since ive been tagged twice! 1. Favorite song to sing along Même robe qu'hier by Pomme !!! 2. Dream job I would like to work in a museum......an art museum preferably!! Working in a touristic place related to art/architecture would be nice too💕 3. Skincare routine I sometimes wash my face with water or some cream but this is definitely not enough lol high five if u got acne but u too lazy to wash ur face properly everyday 4. What animal would I be I would like to be a bird so i could fly wherever i wanna go... I'd probably be a swan, they're so pretty!! 5. Do I put on sunscreen no 6. Favorite color combination Gold+dark red (bordeaux/wine/grenat but idk what is grenat in english and im too lazy to go on google translate :^)) 7. The person I wanna delete from my life The person I immediatly thought about is not in my life anymore bc school ended :^) bYE 8. Handcream I use idk i use some expansive cream my mom buys bc of skin condition, its quite lame sine it doesnt smell anything 9. Superpower I would like to have (also linked to lin's question about something i thought to be true as a kid) I wanna fly !!! I wanna go where the fuck i wanna go!!! fuck paying plane tickets My parents already told me that I once started to cry in the car saying ive realized i'll never be able to fly like a bird, tragic 10. Favorite piece of art I like paintings and sculptures!!! Mostly impressionist paintings and roman/greek sculptures. I also like installations, they can be incredibly creative!! 11. Favorite meme every memes deserve to be loved but my favorite one is my friend Julian, that I turned into a meme❤️ I tag @melodielienhard & @mariepierguevin to answer my questions!! 1. What do you like the most about your personality 2. What do you like the most about your body 3. Country/places where you want to go 4. Musician/group you wanna see in concert 5. Your favorite thing about your best friend 6. Your PÉCHÉ MIGNON (je profite du fait que vous parlez français parce que jsp comment dire péché mignon en anglais rip) 7. Your favorite beauty product(s) 8. What do you imagine when you think about the life you wanna get as an adult 9. Cat or dog 10. The pettiest/saltiest thing youve ever done 11. Three wishes Have fun!!!

[yuichiroe]

So this is going to address everything i have been accused of by @yuichrio in the past. Some of this will be me debunking and some of this will be me blatantly admitting to stuff i have done wrong. Im going to be using screenshots from yuus post about me. 

Theres going to stalking mentions and suicide mentions and for a vrief moment there is a drug mention  so be wary of that. Here is the original post abouit me

Lets just start from the beginning of their post abt me

apparently this started in 2015 shortly after i had broken up with yuu. it was a very messy breakup that i dont want to get into.

he claims that after i had broken up with him, i started using his typing style and started iding as ciel out of no where (which he had ided as at the time)

He uses this as proof/context of me taking his format/style

i will not be commenting on this as i cannot really... remember much from 2015 and maybe i had an unearthly grudge against him back then but honestly i cant say much bc i cant remember.

then he fast fowards to 2017

like he says in the post, me and him were on ok terms by this time. he says he has no idea i had even been following him until one of his friends told him i was following him. i had been following yuu for a long time on vent and after a while i knew it was him but never directly approached him or really even interacted with him much because i had no ill feelings regarding him at the time and didnt care to start anything with him. 

anyways back in january, yuu attempted to commit suicide(im only bringing this up because he did). and a week later, i list yuichiro hyakuya on my me page. he’s ided as yuu for a very long time, and anyone whos been mutuals with him for a while will know that. He made a post abt it on ig and he has addressed my responses to the post.

Here, i say i have been hiding that id for about a month. which right here, that was a lie. i had just started iding as yuichiro.. probably a few days ago. But, under that where i say i had been questioning for a few months is very true. they get dms from their friend of a hidden account i made when i ided as not yuu but mika. 

so to explain, his friend showed him a secret account in which i ided as mika. i tagged myself in art of mika and my boyfriend at the time as yuichiro. Let me explain this in the best way possible since all the other times i had tried to explain, yuu either interrupted me or kept refuting with ‘LOL U HAVENT BEEN QUESTIONING FOR MONTHS’. i had. i had tried to get into owari no seraph many times before this happened. no one has to believe my word on this, and since i have no proof, this can totally be disregarded. i didnt want to id as yuu at first because i actually liked having yuu as a friend. he was a nice mutual. i also didnt want to start petty kin drama with him either. i knew he’d blow up on me. so, i ided as mika instead for a few days. i wanted to see if it would feel like an okay coping id as thats what i thought yuichiro would only be if i decided to id as him. i dont remember if i was planning on sbing him at the time because his boyfriend ids as mika and i knew he’d still be uncomf but i didnt know if he’d blow up. in turn, i made a secret kin account to try and see if iding as mika felt right. Obviously, seeing how most of my identity revolves around yuichiro, it didnt. i had to drop the id within two days because it never felt like me.

this is why it was posted on the same day. you can write this off as bullshit, but this is my explanation.

he now says despite me being white, i went by yuu. which is entirely my bad. i have since then used yuu as an alternate name which isnt something i ever should have done. Now here is where things get Messy.

so here i am, giving frustrated and annoyed responses. this is because he was so intent on me trying to steal his identity and be him. And by now ‘identity’ doesnt just mean me iding as yuichiro. he claims that i have stolen traces of his personality and maybe even his personality as a whole.  This whole situation here can be refuted with the above ‘questioning’ explanation. i had lied about me being yuu for a few months, but the questioning argument still stands as that was 100% the truth.

when he addressed this, i acted out of anger and annoyance and insulted him and just left my account because at the time, i was 99% sure he  wasnt going to listen to my explanations and were intent on him being right. i wasnt in the right for just abandoning my account without talking this out maturely and just giving sarcastic responses, but this is what happens when im called out on stuff, even if it was true or not. i apologize for sarcastic and aggressive behavior. this probably couldve been avoided if i had just tried to explain myself in a calm manner.

i had moved accounts after this. i would sometimes go back on it to see if yuu was talking shit about me, to which he had eventually found out about and sbed said account. now, he shows dms of me ‘cutting off’ people that do not agree with me and

i am going to shed light on these dms.

this person and i have a bad past in general, they have accused me of things i will not go into now, but to shed light on This situation here, they had been making me uncomfortable for a few week anyways. they said they would support me being mikaela when i admitted to them i was going to id as mika for the time being. then, they turned around on me and sent yuu some stuff that i had told them about me being mikaela as receipts on me. so not only had they made me very uncomfortable, but they had broken my trust in them and i didnt want contact with them anymore. to show why i was uncomfortable with this person, here is a screenshot of them vagueing me on their ig account after we had ‘made up’ for past situations. 

so yeah you can see why i was uneasy in the first place. they were jealous of my bf and i being closer than i was to them. they later apologized, but i didnt completely forgive them as it made me and my bf WILDLY uncomfortable about her. so yeah, them breaking was trust was the last straw and i cut her off. Here is another instance of mecutting someone off that they show

NOW THIS... .Ohhhh h hhhh hhm ygod this is a fucking. Okay. this was my qpp. i had recently broken off from being qpps with him because of his drug addiction. He knew drugs made me uncomfortable and yet he still posted about him being high as hell on sleep meds and texted me about whenever he was fucked up and would always crytype his was out of situations . i would frequently vent about him to my bf at the time and after a while, he got upset about me being closer to my bf than i was to him. (i had only been qpps with him for a few weeks, maybe even less and i had been in a relationship with my boyfriend for over a year and had stronger feelings for him.) i have very little receipts on the shit hes said to me bc i have since blocked him on multiple accounts and do not have access to his vent accounts. him and i had cut ties Multiple times after i broke off being qpps with him, but he kept coming back to me and telling me he loved me which i didnt want to hear anymore. after the drama with yuu (even though he stated 3028534905840958 times that he couldnt hate anyone because it was ‘against his morals’) he posted some Very ugly shit about me.

this is all i can dig up because i think i had deleted most of the screenshots because i hated seeing them in my camera  roll. but there were Many posts like this of him wanting me to kill myself and for craig to leave me.

 he made up shortly after this drama but i didnt accept it or forgive him. 

now, back to the yuu drama.

what edna claimed i copied for the ‘clicky clicky’ thing was on my blog where the links where i put ‘clicky clicky!’ and yuu had that in his links. While it was a petty thing to accuse me of and i have to admit, i didnt copy it from his blog, he did have the same thing on his links.

at this point i was vaguing people on tumblr that were involved in this drama

and i had yuu blocked and i did try to unblock him multiple times at his request, but for some reason on mobile it will not let me unblock people.

heres a screenshot of me being immature and avoiding the problem yet again.

heres a half assed apology from me and after that i left it all alone and so did he.

skipping to march 2017

i requested him on vent out of paranoia and i wanted to know if he had any vent of him talking shit about me. at the time, i went by a different name and had different ids listed but i quickly changed everything back. he got uncomfortable with me very quickly out of paranoia of him thinking i was going to steal is bf from him just because i was friends with him. mika was a sweetheart but i am not a homewrecker + i am 99% sure i was dating someone at the time Lol.....

skip to april 2017

i send another apology to which i later admit it was only to follow them to see if yuu was talking shit... i will get into that later when it comes up again.

here is me ‘admitting’ to everything they have accused me of. this was mostly bs and to try to End this shit. i did get the idea to id as yuu from yuu bc? i wouldnt have really found out abt o////w////ari/// no se///ra///ph at the time if not because of yuu and his bf. i am not going to get into the iding outside of my race thing now. at the time. i had not been trying to separate myself from nonwhite ids as most of them had helped me cope with insecurities and whatnot. as for the abusive tendencies thing, i had showed abusive behavior in the past and will not make up excuses for that and for a long while now, i have been bettering myself in that sense

like i said, the apology was bullshit. but now, i am actually sorry to yuu for saying such nasty shit to him just because i was in the wrong for some things and didnt want to admit it.

tyeah like i said the mika thing was mostly paranoia on their part since i never had any intent on making mika hate yuu or to date them or whatever they thought i was attempting to do. so after that shit was pretty peaceful. until i started iding as ciel.so yuus bf dms me all, ‘i gotta sb you for rn’ and im all ‘ok’ and they both sb me at the same time and now i realize smth was wrong and apparently i did smth and that smth was iding as ciel.... Which let me be honest i forgot that yuu ever ided as ciel since the last time he brought up that id was probably around a few years back a little after we broke up as shown at the top of this. so that shit was left alone but iwas So confused as to why they both sbed me at the time + i was so scared they were spewing hate abt me to their followers so i made a spy account to try to figure out wth even happened. 

i, of course, made it seem like i didnt know what the fuck he was talking abt. but yeah this was me. fast forward to may 10th i had begun iding as yuichiro again as a main id and was gradually getting more and more attached to that id. on vent, i had changed my name to yuichrio and used yuus art as my icon. I had debunked the icon thing as i found it on google, but i knew very well that yuichrio was yuus url. i just wanted the next best thing to yuichiro in all honesty but it was still kinda gross of me to use his url and it kinda dug me into a deeper hole.

here the comparison that yuu made.   They asked me to take down that pfp which i did and then i deleted their comment and blocked them immediately.

now to may 11th

This still makes me uncomfortable that even now they keep up with my new blogs/users even though i have only interacted with them Once since this happened and it was a complete accident. (i followed him last night on accident).

like yuu said himself, this was his weakest argument in this entire thing. maybe i had gotten a few ideas from his links before, but generally, most people do use those things in their links. 

Now i do believe i was reincarnated and i have delusions as well so i  dont know if i am just ... delusional abt being reincarnated or if i am actually am but this is what i believe and like i said, i am not going to delve into spiritual beliefs and i certainly didnt get the idea from yuu. 

this was the only evidence that i had to give to yuu. but i did debunk the icon thing.

yeah things get out of hand again. they had receipts on me and knew i was lying about all this so as soon as they wouldnt believe what i was saying 100%, i was getting to be ... a bad sport lol.

i got passive aggressive towards yuu and 

in turn i started insulting him and blatantly lying again.

“so what sky was saying here is an obvious lie. i mean, theres the fact that i KNOW the request was accepted before this dm started, the 7 hour gap before i replied for them to drink that all in, and the fact that they literally SAID they are following me, right there. so obviously they were aware they were following me and had no reason to make up some random fake “apology”. i still have no clue what their motive was, but it says a lot about the kind of person they are.” yeah this is all vwery true i didnt have to actually apologize as i had already been accepted and i knew very well of that fact.

so here is where he tries to analyze me

heres with the questioning shit again so go back up for that explanation.

Hwre is where i get Angry again and start to just want this situation Over because hes brining up shit i could not refute at the time. 

so after all this, i block yuu once again. this is all that i have on this situation in the posts about me that yuu has made. i have followed yuus accounts many times and in a way you can call that stalking but my reasoning for doing that was to see if he was shit talking me 99.9% of the time. if i had picked up any of yuus personality traits im sorry.  adn i am sorry for being so immature and not admitting to my fault earlier. i want this drama to be 100% done and for this shit to Never happen again i am not going to add onto this post unless yuu himself asks for me to explain some more shit that i hasnt listed. i am sorry to yuu for copying your layouts and for repeatedly stalking your accounts. i want nothing to do with you or this situation anymore after this post.

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[2018-09-16T15:13:47Z] olso6229: Also just saw the workshop with Pablo is actually on Friday, not during our meeting time on Thursday.

[2018-09-16T15:14:26Z] olso6229: Does that affect anyone else? I can’t go if it’s on Friday during that time, if someone else wants to take my spot. :white_check_mark:

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[2018-09-17T06:44:33Z] mahla008: Just a link to a virtual tour of the Moriyama House, it's alot more complex and interesting than the movie showed. I have more articles and photos for anyone who's interested in seeing more

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[2018-09-18T19:51:33Z] mahla008:

[2018-09-18T19:51:50Z] mahla008: MINNCOR revenue in 2009

[2018-09-18T19:54:17Z] mahla008:

[2018-09-18T19:56:40Z] mahla008: 22 million

[2018-09-19T00:23:51Z] watso595: Is everyone (or a majority) able to meet Thursday before class? I feel it could be a good idea to talk about our edits to the guide in person and thought that might be the best option for time based on last week.

[2018-09-19T00:25:08Z] watso595: Also, should we have a way of marking those that have/have not been edited since class today? Maybe your initials/time that you edited in parentheses at the end of each point?

[2018-09-19T00:25:21Z] watso595: I’m open to other ideas too, just thought that could be helpful

[2018-09-19T01:53:46Z] karle029: when/where?

[2018-09-19T02:08:53Z] watso595: We could meet in studio maybe like an hour before class?

[2018-09-19T02:25:54Z] olso6229: I like that and im open to meeting anywhere

[2018-09-19T04:38:38Z] bialo011: Sounds good to me!

[2018-09-19T05:45:07Z] batzl015: I probably can’t make it before class, but I will try my best to condense and edit the guide tomorrow. I will note what I edited and when I did it.

[2018-09-19T15:04:27Z] schra470: I can be there before class as well!

[2018-09-19T15:05:44Z] mahla008: So studio an hour before?

[2018-09-19T16:09:54Z] watso595: Yeah let’s plan on that for those that can make it

[2018-09-19T17:14:34Z] rumbe003: Yoooo so Matt wanted me and Colton to spearhead a movement of changing the manifesto to be more "question based" if that makes sense

Instead of giving statements that work as solutions, let's use questions in the same way that we use design, to push boundaries, create problems, and push ourselves to think further and be more provocative

[2018-09-19T17:15:34Z] mahla008: So like, what is love?

[2018-09-19T17:16:09Z] rumbe003: Yeah something like that, or "How will we feel love?"

[2018-09-19T17:16:17Z] mahla008: Oooo

[2018-09-19T17:16:21Z] rumbe003: Questions with a slightly more specific scope

[2018-09-19T17:16:22Z] mahla008: I like that

[2018-09-19T17:16:23Z] rumbe003: if that makes sense

[2018-09-19T17:16:26Z] mahla008: Ye

[2018-09-19T17:17:08Z] rumbe003: Matt was really about it, he liked the idea of posing questions now, and potentially answering them later in the semester with our work

[2018-09-19T17:19:11Z] bialo011: Honestly not crazy about that

[2018-09-19T17:19:31Z] mahla008: That sounds better than trying to have a set of definitives without actually experiencing wecolab as a whole

[2018-09-19T17:20:39Z] batzl015: Yeah, I mean it’s a different structure so that could be interesting, but it seems like with questions as the structure, it gets really simple and bony provocative

[2018-09-19T17:20:47Z] batzl015: Like it doesn’t seem like anything new

[2018-09-19T17:21:08Z] rumbe003: Yeah idk man haha I'm just communicating what Matt was excited about and wanted me to do

[2018-09-19T17:21:34Z] batzl015: Cause we can ask questions all day, but making statements that cause you to ask questions seems a lot more powerful

[2018-09-19T17:22:17Z] rumbe003: That's true, but also i feel like statements are already defining the answer to any question we may come across

[2018-09-19T17:22:34Z] rumbe003: I'm down with whatever

[2018-09-19T17:23:10Z] mahla008: We just need to destil and condense our manifesto, maybe doing what we did and just make a statement for each word we want to convey

[2018-09-19T17:23:43Z] rumbe003: What if we do both?? Come up with a statement about love, and follow it up with, "How will we feel love?" Essentially saying "How will we enact the statement we just defined?"

[2018-09-19T17:23:53Z] bialo011: I think we should talk about it tomorrow. Because this is our manifesto too, not just what matt thinks is best.

[2018-09-19T17:24:11Z] rumbe003: ^truuuuuu

[2018-09-19T17:24:18Z] mahla008: But do we want it done tomorrow, cause I think Matt does

[2018-09-19T17:24:39Z] mahla008: Like finish it before class when most of us meet

[2018-09-19T17:25:53Z] rumbe003: We have to find a way to meet Matt straight on with productive resistance ya know?

[2018-09-19T17:26:28Z] bialo011: For sure

[2018-09-19T17:26:40Z] watso595: I think should still edit them as statements like we were planning

[2018-09-19T17:27:01Z] watso595: I agree we can talk about the question stuff tomorrow

[2018-09-19T17:28:16Z] batzl015: I’m prob gonna edit quite a bit today, I’ll keep changes noted in the comments

[2018-09-19T19:01:30Z] batzl015: I just moved every statement of the same category next to each other. I’m going to see if I can condense to eliminate redundancy/condense

[2018-09-19T19:23:15Z] danks010: I'm really up for whatever. On one hand, I think using questions would allow individuals to put there own meaning behind their answers, especially as it pertains to answer the why question behind the point of the manifesto. Although I realize it is our manifesto so I think it needs to revolve around our goals and thus statements might help hold us accountable and solidify our ability to collaborate as one based on a uniform standard. For tomorrow, I don't think we should change what we have in terms of rewriting them in the form of questions. As long as we can condense and form our statements in the right terms, it should work and if we discuss the question idea tomorrow and want to push that concept forward we can.

[2018-09-19T19:23:54Z] danks010: Also, I can try to meet an hour before class. No promises though because I'm not sure how traffic will be. But I can always try!

[2018-09-19T19:24:17Z] batzl015: I’m editing rn if anyone wants to hop in the google doc with me :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-09-19T19:24:28Z] batzl015: Feel free to scrub anything I’ve done haha

[2018-09-19T19:24:35Z] batzl015: Just leave comments so we can talk about it

[2018-09-19T19:25:25Z] batzl015: Also it looks like there’s room for 16 statements on one page... We’re currently at 28

[2018-09-19T19:30:44Z] bialo011: I can hop on in a sec

[2018-09-19T20:14:44Z] danks010: I be on in a half hour Oliver! Just finishing up the model for Brad's class.

[2018-09-19T20:15:26Z] batzl015: Cool, Andrew and I have done a lot of editing, but please look through and share opinions. That goes for everyone!!!

[2018-09-19T20:16:25Z] danks010: I'm going to completely change it.....Nah ill proofread it and add anything that needs adding. I'm sure its coming along!

[2018-09-19T20:51:37Z] batzl015: We should probably arrange, delete, and get close to finalizing by the end of today. Tomorrow morning can be for last touches

[2018-09-19T20:53:11Z] danks010: For sure! I'm reading over everything right now to get familiar with some of the changes.

[2018-09-19T21:30:28Z] karle029: was the Destil on purpose

[2018-09-19T21:31:42Z] karle029: have we thought about inviting matt to this slack?

[2018-09-19T21:32:42Z] bialo011: I think he is already

[2018-09-19T21:32:51Z] karle029: also if anyone is interested in researching prison labor and prison censorship historically and today I got some really great leads from Linnea at the archives

[2018-09-19T21:33:06Z] karle029:

[2018-09-19T21:33:13Z] karle029:

[2018-09-19T21:33:42Z] mahla008: Is anyone in rapson?

[2018-09-19T21:34:01Z] mahla008: Me and parker are in studio talking about this if others wanted to join

[2018-09-20T00:45:24Z] olso6229: yes, everyone including Matt is in the Slack channel. His handle is

[2018-09-20T00:47:35Z] olso6229: Has anyone else looked at Boris' work/website/views on art+collaboration/bio on WAM site?

[2018-09-20T00:51:48Z] olso6229:

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Portræt af Boris Oicherman

https://vimeo.com/141645079

[2018-09-20T00:55:45Z] mahla008: He looks so different lol

[2018-09-20T00:58:32Z] olso6229:

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Art

http://oicherman.net/boris/art

[2018-09-20T01:29:24Z] olso6229:

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From the Archives: Allan Kaprow on the Legacy of Jackson Pollock, in 1958 -

http://www.artnews.com/2018/02/09/archives-allan-kaprow-legacy-jackson-pollock-1958/

[2018-09-20T01:32:29Z] olso6229:

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Allan Kaprow - How to Make a Happening

https://youtu.be/8iCM-YIjyHE

[2018-09-20T01:54:29Z] olso6229: Here's a PDF transcription of the whole LP:

[2018-09-20T04:04:53Z] mahla008: Hey guys, don't like be mad at me or anything but i've been doing research on MINNCOR and idk if they are really that bad

[2018-09-20T04:49:35Z] mahla008: Like they still bad but like not as bad as I think we were lead to believe

[2018-09-20T12:15:13Z] olso6229: Oh yeah?

[2018-09-20T14:02:08Z] bialo011: how so?

[2018-09-20T14:12:46Z] mahla008: Are we meeting in studio?

[2018-09-20T17:38:27Z] batzl015: theres a mincorfurniture folder

[2018-09-20T17:38:33Z] batzl015: channel*

[2018-09-20T17:45:44Z] feria006: Tales of the traveling bag. To be continued

[2018-09-20T18:27:01Z] krieg087: So I was thinking a lot in class today about research, I re-watched 13th, and then watched a Portuguese film called "How Tasty is my Little Frenchman" that is inadvertently about imprisonment in 1500s colonial Brazil. Would anyone be interested in me creating a channel for research on the history of imprisonment and prison labor?

[2018-09-20T18:27:23Z] bialo011: do it

[2018-09-20T18:42:10Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-09-20T18:44:06Z] olso6229: i wish my girlfriend was in the room for the first part of our conversation today, we would’ve learned so much about language

[2018-09-20T18:46:40Z] olson175: How so Lee?

[2018-09-20T18:58:12Z] olso6229: she did her undergrad in linguistics with several courses at graduate level during that time, her last 2 or 3 semesters of school were basically thesis

[2018-09-20T18:59:35Z] olson175: cool... would love to know who some of her favorite language thinkers are

[2018-09-20T19:00:00Z] olso6229: not chomsky, i can tell you that much

[2018-09-20T19:02:49Z] olson175: i love chomsky but, not because of his linguistic work

[2018-09-20T19:03:02Z] olson175: I wonder if she has thoughts on Barthes

[2018-09-20T19:07:07Z] olso6229: i will ask tonight. if anyone else has any questions about language, let me know anytime

[2018-09-20T19:08:05Z] krieg087: ^Same here Lee, my sister is currently getting her PHD in Linguistics and I can always ask her any questions as well!

[2018-09-20T19:08:35Z] olso6229: COOOOOOOOL

[2018-09-20T19:11:03Z] olson175: ask her about Barthes and Lakoff. I've watched a couple interesting lectures by Lakoff.

[2018-09-20T19:11:18Z] feria006: Bag makes it through lecture!

[2018-09-20T19:14:02Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-20T19:14:31Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-20T19:14:58Z] olso6229: Bag timelapse video + body art engulfed by bag body

[2018-09-20T19:34:34Z] krieg087: I absolutely will

[2018-09-20T19:43:43Z] olso6229: has anyone looked at the zines in the rapson library

[2018-09-20T19:45:35Z] olso6229: or read ursula le guin's the ones who walk away from omelas

[2018-09-20T19:45:57Z] olso6229: looking at the range of minncor products reminds me of her short story

[2018-09-21T00:47:08Z] santo204: Yee the zines in the library are really cool. Did we figure out if we were using a google drive or a Lightroom to upload media?

[2018-09-21T00:49:24Z] santo204: Or did we want to create a channel on this strictly for videos/photos/ other media

[2018-09-21T01:01:56Z] watso595: I thought we were planning on using Lightroom. I feel like starting a new channel for this might be good so we can share links to Lightroom and keep them in one place?

[2018-09-21T01:02:08Z] watso595: I can start a channel for media

[2018-09-21T01:17:29Z] santo204:

Apparently, Black Mountain College’s flame has been reignited on the same Claud location and has rebranded as School of the Alternative.

[2018-09-21T01:24:05Z] santo204: *campus not Claud

[2018-09-21T18:23:46Z] schra470: Hey guys! So Evan and I spent some time at Wilson library, and upon asking for information on university spending (and what kind of money is going from UMN to Minncor) we were directed to the "Purchasing Services" webpage. Although there were no readily available materials with this information, we contacted the general services via email and asked very politely who we may be able to get in contact with to understand the university's opinion on this matter. Hopefully they get back to me soon with some more information, and maybe a contact to sit down with and ask questions! Ill Keep you all posted :grin:

[2018-09-21T18:25:03Z] olso6229: Cool !!

[2018-09-21T18:26:03Z] kesse046: Here are some interesting resources:

[2018-09-21T18:26:08Z] kesse046: This video was helpful:

It mentioned these topics:

Minncor history:

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Prison Labor: Modern SLAVERY?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7yN52tE5k

Burl Cain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burl_Cain

[2018-09-21T18:27:22Z] mahla008: What a picture

[2018-09-21T18:27:42Z] batzl015: Just got out of the collaboration workshop :sunglasses: this is gonna be cool to do with you all

[2018-09-21T18:32:08Z] mahla008:

[2018-09-21T18:38:43Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-21T18:54:14Z] olso6229: ... none of the librarians at the downtown minneapolis library are cool with us taking a photo

[2018-09-21T18:54:44Z] olso6229: All of them have politely declined

[2018-09-21T18:56:25Z] olso6229: Only library entity we could get a photo with so far

[2018-09-21T18:56:35Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-21T18:57:40Z] olso6229: FINALLY

[2018-09-21T18:57:53Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-22T18:24:03Z] mahla008: Hey has anyone been to the university resuse center this year yet? They might have MINNCOR furinture that we can purchase and own to do stuff with

[2018-09-22T18:26:08Z] watso595: Haley mentioned that too... I haven’t been but I remember talking to some people who found the “dorm chairs” there before I knew they were minncor

[2018-09-22T18:26:45Z] mahla008: Cool well maybe that's a next weekend trip since they only open on saturdays

[2018-09-22T18:27:00Z] watso595: We can also get it for free since we would be using it for university purposes

[2018-09-22T18:27:34Z] mahla008: Ooo ye or unless anyone has time to go to the center with a car today?

[2018-09-22T18:47:14Z] watso595: I've started putting together some of the clips I took on Thursday into a short video. A lot of my videos need some editing in premiere so I think it could be easier if I use the file I've already started but if others are interested in putting that video together we can find a time to meet and work on it!

[2018-09-22T18:48:54Z] watso595: otherwise, if you have videos, could you throw them in the drive?

[2018-09-22T22:20:06Z] danks010: uploading them now Parker! Sorry its taking so long. It's a decent size file

[2018-09-23T00:06:41Z] danks010:

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Bag of Air Performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z048OrJ57so&feature=youtu.be

[2018-09-23T00:07:02Z] danks010: This video has not been edited, so it is essentially the raw content

[2018-09-23T23:57:42Z] karle029: yes!

[2018-09-24T06:12:16Z] santo204: Parker, I’d be interrelated in meeting up this week & working on the film

[2018-09-24T15:37:03Z] schra470: A reply to my email to Purchasing Services about Minncor! Some good information in here!

[2018-09-24T15:38:51Z] batzl015: Good info find! could you post the spreadsheet as an attachment?

[2018-09-24T15:38:54Z] schra470: And here is the spreadsheet that details the amounts spent!

[2018-09-24T15:41:34Z] batzl015: cool! thanks!

[2018-09-24T17:17:19Z] rumbe003:

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13TH | Official Trailer [HD] | Netflix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V66F3WU2CKk

[2018-09-24T17:17:29Z] rumbe003: If anyone hasn't watched this yet, I would highly recommend doing so

[2018-09-24T17:17:57Z] rumbe003: Could help us gain some perspective and relate more closely to some of the stuff we'll be working on

[2018-09-24T20:01:42Z] danks010: I remembered that we touched on bell hooks a little bit last week and I found a really interesting book of her that related to Love and how people define, and acknowledge love and how love impacts relationships, both romantically and socially. I'm only a chapter in, but it is a really unique approach that I thought I would share with you. Here's the link for the online version of the book. It can be downloaded as a pdf from the site which is really nice.

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124493278-bell-hooks-All-About-Love.pdf

https://www.docdroid.net/goTB7E8/124493278-bell-hooks-all-about-love.pdf

[2018-09-24T20:04:32Z] danks010: She also talks about belonging in her work with regards to connection through love and compassion. She has a book about belonging, which I have attached, as well as a talk on youtube. Both are below and are very helpful in determining were each person belongs in this world. Really inspirational stuff and relates quite a bit to our manifesto. .

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Belonging: A Culture of Place by bell hooks

https://issuu.com/schoolofthedamned/docs/bell-hooks-belonging-a-culture-of-p

bell hooks & john a. powell: Belonging Through Connection (Othering & Belonging Conference 2015)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sX7fqIU4gQ

[2018-09-24T21:41:08Z] olson175: THX Colton!

[2018-09-24T22:03:21Z] olson175: Do any of you guys speak French?

[2018-09-24T22:14:18Z] karle029: I took three years of french in high school - so i would say very minimally haha

[2018-09-24T22:15:35Z] olson175: Andrew has been looking into Emanuele Coccia. He's mostly a European phenomenon so far but... there are some videos in French...

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Conversation: Emanuele Coccia - Vinciane Despret

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDGNEJfxAPg

[2018-09-24T22:17:25Z] olson175: Emanuele Coccia makes a couple appearances in the required texts... I hope you guys are digging in to those!

[2018-09-25T18:12:21Z] broad095: has joined the channel

[2018-09-25T18:46:13Z] boris: has joined the channel

[2018-09-25T22:35:18Z] olso6229: swapping my Chuck Close quote out of the zine FYI

[2018-09-25T22:39:44Z] olso6229: edited the wecolab guide doc, good to go

[2018-09-25T22:46:10Z] broad095: Is anyone else in favor of more images for the next edition? I feel like it might be too much text. Thoughts?

[2018-09-25T22:50:58Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-09-25T22:51:03Z] olso6229: And sketches

[2018-09-25T22:51:17Z] olso6229: Im drawing the interview i did with my mom for the next zine

[2018-09-25T22:51:28Z] olso6229: Comic book / graphic novel style

[2018-09-26T01:01:03Z] renst011: There will definitely be more already from the documentation of last Tuesday and today

[2018-09-26T01:01:07Z] renst011: Plus yes for sure any imagery to support the individual assignments and referential images

[2018-09-26T01:13:37Z] olso6229: do you need any more photos from today’s session? I took a few, but i saw you had taken some too. Let me know

[2018-09-26T02:30:37Z] renst011: Feel free to throw them in the media channel! I won't know for sure until I start in on the next newsletter but the more pics the better

[2018-09-26T13:29:25Z] olso6229: asked my partner, Calli, what she thought about Barthes and Lakoff. She said "they're outside my specialization so i don't know enough about their theories to really make a statement about them. but i do prefer lakoffs theory of generative semantics to chomskys generative syntax. basically, we have to take semantics and meaning into account in sentence construction. chomsky syntax treats the mind and language as highly logical and mathematical. however, humans don't operate on that alone. communication relies on meaning, memory, and intention, which must be accounted for when discussing linguistics."

[2018-09-26T15:44:13Z] olso6229: and then i asked her about something she says about language often, that language is referential. "well when i say its referential, i'm talking about the fact that we can talk about the world around us. things and experiences. i believe its universal. remember the isolated mind conversation? a mind outside of any kind of environment would still have the capacity to refer to itself, its experience, and its functioning."

[2018-09-26T15:45:32Z] fasbe023: has joined the channel

[2018-09-26T15:45:32Z] olso6229: i'm curious to hear how this overlaps/aligns/conflicts? with color science/perception?

[2018-09-26T16:54:37Z] boris: Color is an extremely interesting case study of language. I believe I mentioned the book "Through the Language Glass"- it's about that. It's very related to Lakoff and Johnson's metaphor theory, and how metaphors are not just language constructs but creators of realities. Remind me next time in class, I'll tell more

[2018-09-26T21:18:37Z] mahla008:

[2018-09-26T21:20:06Z] olso6229: becomes one with paper

[2018-09-26T21:21:17Z] olso6229: becomes one with minerals

[2018-09-26T22:13:28Z] olso6229: Everyone needs to go to the library in the walker art center

[2018-09-26T22:34:57Z] danks010: Here are a few photos from and I from our trip at the Walker Art Center Library. Found tons of resources on many of the people we talked about, as well as some useful prison and manifesto resources as well.

[2018-09-26T22:35:14Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:18Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:22Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:25Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:28Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:33Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:38Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:42Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:45Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:49Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:36:14Z] danks010: Tons of stuff on john cage that could be useful for your interview with him!

[2018-09-26T22:38:33Z] feria006: HAPPY BIRTHDAY LEE!

[2018-09-26T22:39:47Z] olson175: NOW I'M HAPPY

[2018-09-26T22:42:11Z] olso6229: Thanks for the birthday love

[2018-09-26T22:43:44Z] olso6229: deep in this black mt college tome. Theres a photo in there of john cage, merce cunnigham, josef albers together

[2018-09-26T22:44:39Z] olso6229: explores a collection of UMN installation artwork over the years

[2018-09-26T22:45:51Z] olso6229: Finding a potential path through Kaleidoscope magazine as a way for the zine

[2018-09-26T22:46:16Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T22:46:44Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T22:48:08Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T22:48:20Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T22:48:49Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T23:09:59Z] olson175: Fun fact you guys! I designed Kaleidoscope Magazine's booth at the NADA Art Fair in NYC a few years ago!

[2018-09-26T23:24:10Z] karle029: Do you have a copy?

[2018-09-26T23:26:19Z] karle029: Some of the topics we've been talking about in class are also being discussed in my sustainability class--for the first time that I've been aware of.

[2018-09-26T23:27:04Z] karle029: If anyone is interested in reading the entire article (3 pages)

[2018-09-27T00:00:52Z] olso6229: then it isnt coincidence that we gravitate to kaleidoscope

[2018-09-27T01:14:14Z] rumbe003: Lots of relevant theories and ideas brought forward by artist Joseph Kosuth here that could definitely be applied to our work and it's "meaning" and how we will construct that meaning

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ARTISTS TALK #4: JOSEPH KOSUTH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hpfkIPTRBo

[2018-09-27T01:16:04Z] olso6229: anything helpful that we should bring when you teach us the pablo workshop?

[2018-09-27T01:17:19Z] olson175: Hey! Didn't I tell one of you guys to look into Joseph Kosuth and his chair piece? Who was that?

[2018-09-27T01:22:50Z] rumbe003: Haha it was me Matt

[2018-09-27T01:23:20Z] rumbe003: Well at least you told me to look into Joseph Kosuth, you never said anything specific about a chair piece, so maybe someone else as well

[2018-09-27T01:23:47Z] rumbe003: just a level of high energy and eagerness haha as cheesy as that sounds

[2018-09-27T17:47:17Z] olso6229: Anyone else want how can i help by ram dass? i just got another copy

[2018-09-27T17:53:51Z] danks010: Perhaps...Can you bring it to climate change and I'll take a peek at it!

[2018-09-27T17:54:02Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-09-27T17:54:23Z] danks010: Alright! Coming in clutch....

[2018-09-27T17:54:29Z] olso6229: I think Public Functionary in NE minneapolis could be a guide for us, or something to draw from

[2018-09-27T17:54:32Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-27T17:55:24Z] olso6229: upcoming exhibits:

[2018-09-27T17:55:25Z] olso6229:

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— Public Functionary

https://publicfunctionary.org/calendar/racingmagpie

[2018-09-27T17:56:05Z] olso6229:

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— Public Functionary

https://publicfunctionary.org/calendar/conversation-matrix

[2018-09-27T18:13:17Z] olso6229: the new Moon Palace Books on Minnehaha is also very spicy right now

[2018-09-27T18:14:13Z] olso6229:

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Moon Palace Books

https://moonpalacebooks.com/?q=h.calevents

[2018-09-27T18:15:17Z] olso6229: They do a lot of readings/events with trans/gay/bi/etc authors. I don't know how to describe the sensation of being there but it's unlike any other bookstore I've been to

[2018-09-27T18:20:03Z] olso6229: also rad metal/noise concerts hahaha

[2018-09-27T19:26:46Z] olso6229:

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carsten höller: soma

https://www.designboom.com/art/carsten-holler-soma/

[2018-09-27T20:08:28Z] olso6229: revisiting my notes from allan kaprow's 1958 essay "the legacy of jackson pollock", this bit seemed relevant to our discussion about objects today

[2018-09-27T20:08:47Z] olso6229: maybe this can help guide us?

[2018-09-27T20:08:57Z] olso6229: At any rate, for now, we may consider that, except for rare instances, Western art tends to need many more indirections in achieving itself, placing more or less equal emphasis upon “things” and the relations between them. The crudeness of Jackson Pollock is not, therefore, uncouth or designed as such; it is manifestly frank and uncultivated, unsullied by training, trade secrets, finesse—a directness which the European artists he liked hoped for and partially succeeded in, but which he never had to strive after because he had it by nature. This by itself would be enough to teach us something.

It does. Pollock, as I see him, left us at the point where we must become preoccupied with and even dazzled by the space and objects of our everyday life, either our bodies, clothes, rooms, or, if need be, the vastness of Forty-Second Street. Not satisfied with the suggestion through paint of our other senses, we shall utilize the specific substances of sigh, sound, movements, people, odors, touch. Objects of every sort are materials for the new art: paint, chairs, food, electric and neon lights, smoke, water, old socks, a dog, movies, a thousand other things which will be discovered by the present generation of artists. Not only will these bold creators show us, as if for the first time, the world we have always had about us, but ignored, but they will disclose entirely unheard of happenings and events, found in garbage cans, police files, hotel lobbies, seen in store windows and on the streets, and sensed in dreams and horrible accidents. An odor of crushed strawberries, a letter from a friend or a billboard selling Draino; three taps on the front door, a scratch, a sigh or a voice lecturing endlessly, a blinding staccato flash, a bowler hat—all will become materials for this new concrete art.

[2018-09-27T20:18:26Z] olso6229: another forthcoming book from Emanuele Coccia in a couple months

[2018-09-27T20:18:30Z] olso6229:

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The Transitory Museum

https://www.wiley.com/en-ai/The+Transitory+Museum-p-9781509533077

[2018-09-27T20:18:44Z] olso6229: "Stemming from a case study of this genre-defining entity, this first philosophical inquiry into a store aims to shed a new light on how categories that have governed our modern social, economic, political and individual lives, such as commerce, art, fashion, museum, are being redefined today. It calls on us to re-engage with what we long considered to be separate: transcendence and immanence, human beings and their objects."

[2018-09-27T20:27:39Z] olso6229: Lil B was at my friend's house recently

[2018-09-27T20:29:15Z] olso6229: Emanuele Coccia interviewed about one of his new books this year (The Life of Plants: A Metaphysics of Melange), perspectives on biology/botany/chemistry here

[2018-09-27T20:29:17Z] olso6229: "Plants embody life’s continuity, not its separation into distinct realms."

[2018-09-27T20:29:31Z] olso6229: "The interesting thing is, the transformation of the atmosphere into an oxygenated atmosphere was a byproduct of plant metabolism. In fact, the primary function of photosynthesis is not the production of oxygen but the storage of solar energy in mass. The byproduct of that process is the production of oxygen."

[2018-09-27T20:29:57Z] olso6229: :seedling::seedling::seedling:

[2018-09-27T20:35:34Z] olso6229: I wanted to copy & paste every sentence from this interview

[2018-09-27T20:35:37Z] olso6229:

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Emanuele Coccia - purple MAGAZINE

http://purple.fr/magazine/purple-25yrs-anniv-issue-28/emanuele-coccia/

[2018-09-27T20:35:56Z] olso6229: This is powerful and I'm pre-ordering the book now

[2018-09-27T21:02:05Z] batzl015: Thanks for putting this interview up! I should get a little reading in before I interview my mom on the subject.

[2018-09-28T03:34:06Z] olso6229: EVERYONE WE NEED TO GO TO THIS

[2018-09-28T03:34:08Z] olso6229:

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Beyond Bars: A Public Reading - October 22, 2016, 7:00pm

https://www.mnprisonwriting.org/mpww-public-reading.html

[2018-09-28T03:34:29Z] olso6229: THIS IS CRITICAL

[2018-09-28T03:34:43Z] mahla008: #critical

[2018-09-28T03:43:12Z] olso6229: please someone else go to this tomorrow, im in a studio during this time so i cant

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We Are All Criminals | Share Your Story

https://wam.umn.edu/calendar/we-are-all-criminals-share-your-story/

[2018-09-28T04:04:47Z] batzl015: Just interviewed my mom (Janet Batzli) who teaches biology and ecology at the University of Wisconsin about Emanuele Coccia and the idea of oxygen as a byproduct. In short, we ended up talking about the larger systems involving plants and how nearly every part of the human body is directly related to plant processes. My mom’s dissertation research and expertise is in the process of nitrogen fixation which, similarly to Coccia’s book, involves plant byproducts and a symbiosis of microbes and plants existing while creating an environment for life to continue and flourish. Very cool in reference to connectedness.

[2018-09-28T04:05:22Z] batzl015: I have a link to explain nitrogen fixation a little better.

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nitrogen-fixing bacteria | Definition & Types

https://www.britannica.com/science/nitrogen-fixing-bacteria

[2018-09-28T04:07:09Z] olso6229: !!!

[2018-09-28T04:07:21Z] olso6229: I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE FULL INTERVIEW

[2018-09-28T04:08:22Z] olso6229: now interview emanuele coccia about your mom's ideas

[2018-09-28T04:09:04Z] watso595: Just read an interesting article for another class but I think there's a connection there. Something about trusting that the thing will take you somewhere and the importance of letting go to (in this case formal) prescriptions

[2018-09-28T04:09:06Z] watso595:

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Iceland students turn willow branches into materials range

https://www.dezeen.com/2016/03/18/iceland-academy-arts-product-design-students-willow-project-materials-range-designmarch-2016/

[2018-09-28T20:57:23Z] kesse046: Here's the thing I gave you guys yesterday. I hope this helps!

[2018-09-28T21:41:06Z] watso595: Hey guys, after you all send in your library selfies, come to studio for the BDA student association movie night at 7, we’ll have veggie chili!

[2018-09-28T22:32:58Z] olson175: Thanks for sharing these Evan. They aren't the only MINNCOR products tho. There are others as well. I discussed one with Brendan today that is a library cubicle/study carrel table that two people sit at. Sorta reminds me of when prisoners have visitors...? Something interesting about those forms...?

[2018-09-28T22:33:18Z] olson175:

[2018-09-29T04:22:32Z] rumbe003:

[2018-09-29T04:22:55Z] rumbe003: “I think collaboration is a prescription

or device that keeps one from getting hung up on a strong

single intention that blinds,” Rauschenberg reflected in

1987. “Every individual that you add to a project will result

in ten times as many new possibilities.”

[2018-09-29T04:23:32Z] rumbe003: This will tie into the workshop on Tuesday, more people = more possibilities

[2018-09-29T04:45:51Z] rumbe003: According to this article, prison labor has been exploited in the US for a lonnngggg time. In 1885(!!!!), prison industries produced 24.2 million dollars worth of products. That number had already skyrocketed up to 73.8 million dollars worth of products by 1923, and now it's valued at over 2 BILLION dollars worth of products a year. In 2001 it was valued at 1.8 billion, and it's already gone up.

[2018-09-29T11:44:22Z] olso6229: We should do a group outing before winter, maybe can can wonderland? Other ideas?

[2018-09-29T12:28:46Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-29T12:29:27Z] olso6229:

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PREVIEW Foam Magazine #51, Seer/Believer

https://issuu.com/foam-magazine/docs/41-004_fm51_01_reduced_pages_issuu_

[2018-09-29T12:44:47Z] olso6229: maybe we can use issuu as a platform to distribute our zine?

[2018-09-29T13:43:08Z] olso6229:

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Rick Owens: Furniture

https://www.moca.org/exhibition/rickowensfurniture

[2018-09-30T14:27:22Z] olso6229: Book arrived today!!

[2018-09-30T15:29:38Z] olson175: I'm a huge fan of Rick Owens! We remade one of his beds for an exhibit at Haus der Kunst in Munich

[2018-09-30T19:28:09Z] olso6229: WOW Ram Dass’ dolphin story at the start of How Can I Help? Also the chapter titled “helping prison”

[2018-09-30T19:28:38Z] olso6229: I have a reverse experience with a baby bird

[2018-09-30T20:17:32Z] karle029: Notes from class last tuesday, add to them if you have anything else to add/we can continue adding to this doc for future classes if that seems valuable

[2018-09-30T20:20:18Z] olso6229: YES thank you

[2018-09-30T21:47:48Z] karle029: I really enjoy a lot of these

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Art - Judd Foundation

https://juddfoundation.org/artist/art/

[2018-10-01T00:36:48Z] douga018: Hey guys, so I just saw a tweet about Washington State releasing prisoners that were convicted of marijuana possession, so I started to look into it more just by googling. I found a couple of different articles and a lot of them mention the war on drugs, a clear racial bias, and mass incarceration. I thought it related a lot to what we have talked about in class, here is a link to one of the articles. Its a nice short read, but relevant to our class discussions.

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Seattle To Become Latest City To Erase Past Marijuana Convictions

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/seattle-past-marijuana-convictions_us_5a7c661be4b044b3821a2a9f

[2018-10-01T01:45:52Z] olso6229: hey sasha, check these out, i dont know why your judd foundation link reminded me of this

[2018-10-01T01:45:54Z] olso6229:

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The Uncomfortable

https://www.theuncomfortable.com/

[2018-10-01T01:48:21Z] karle029: ooo fun thank you

[2018-10-01T02:33:18Z] olso6229:

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Library Record Detail

https://midwayart.org/library/record/9958/

[2018-10-01T02:38:56Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-01T02:48:33Z] watso595: Abe and I have started talking about noise music and I found a list of some of the music that was in Moriyama San if anyone is interested in listening

[2018-10-01T02:48:34Z] watso595:

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The Records of Yasuo Moriyama - Barbican Blog

http://blog.barbican.org.uk/2017/03/the-records-of-yasuo-moriyama/

[2018-10-01T02:52:30Z] olso6229: Merzbow's Pulse Demon is the obligatory album I have to mention

[2018-10-01T02:52:31Z] olso6229:

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Merzbow - Pulse Demon (Full Album)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AguPH0XBxdw

[2018-10-01T02:59:24Z] olso6229: soooooo we're all going to that moriyama gallery in london right???

[2018-10-01T02:59:27Z] olso6229: its open until june 23

[2018-10-01T02:59:35Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-01T02:59:48Z] mahla008: Hell ya

[2018-10-01T14:16:51Z] olso6229: about to pick up this book

[2018-10-01T14:16:52Z] olso6229:

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Stories of Almost Everyone - Hammer Museum

https://hammer.ucla.edu/exhibitions/2018/stories-of-almost-everyone/

[2018-10-01T16:43:40Z] olso6229: ram dass is still alive

[2018-10-01T16:43:45Z] olso6229: we should connect with him

[2018-10-01T16:44:19Z] olso6229: im calling it right now, when he dies someone is going to make a biopic and cast jaoquin phoenix as him

[2018-10-01T17:09:05Z] olso6229: this comes out tomorrow:

[2018-10-01T20:15:04Z] batzl015: IMPORTANT STUFF RIGHT HERE!!!! Sam and I are leading a workshop tomorrow for the class, it’s going to be super fun, but we’d like to communicate the following message in preparation for tomorrow morning.

[2018-10-01T20:16:05Z] batzl015: Internalize this message and do what you will with it: Think of something you’re an expert on, or passionate about, and come prepared to give an individual performance on it first thing tomorrow morning. Bring any materials/objects that you think may enhance your performances. Be creative, that is all.

[2018-10-01T21:12:04Z] mahla008: Me and Parker getting helped out by a lovely wood librarian

[2018-10-01T23:16:24Z] mahla008: I found 9 landscape manifesto books in the rapson trash just now

[2018-10-01T23:18:11Z] watso595: Whaaaat no

[2018-10-01T23:18:25Z] mahla008: come over here

[2018-10-01T23:20:18Z] mahla008: its about prison labor and using people for gain i.e. blood diamonds

[2018-10-01T23:20:26Z] mahla008: its so cool

[2018-10-01T23:21:59Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-01T23:22:28Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-01T23:23:55Z] mahla008: i'll bring them tomorrow so people who want to read them can get them after class

[2018-10-01T23:44:40Z] olso6229: Why were these in the trash???? :fearful::scream:

[2018-10-01T23:45:06Z] batzl015: those are COOL

[2018-10-01T23:50:10Z] mahla008: Idk I love them, I think Jacob Manz threw them out they were in a box with his name on it

[2018-10-02T02:58:52Z] rumbe003: IMPORTANT STUFF RIGHT HERE!!!! Oliver and I are leading a workshop tomorrow for the class, it’s going to be super fun, but we’d like to communicate the following message in preparation for tomorrow morning.

Internalize this message and do what you will with it: Think of something you’re an expert on, or passionate about, and come prepared to give an individual performance on it first thing tomorrow morning. Bring any materials/objects that you think may enhance your performances. Be creative, that is all.

[2018-10-02T02:58:57Z] rumbe003: Reposting so everyone sees it

[2018-10-02T05:09:07Z] danks010: I realize everyone has been researching different topics and different types of media with regards to finding information pertaining to prisons, prison labor, etc. With that being said, I decided to take a step out of the text aspect to see how forms can influence multiply people. Rather than continuing to flood the slack with readings and articles I have researched, I decided to look at a form of media that influences almost everyone. Thus, I looked into researching music about prison and how artists can evoke meaning and spread ideas about prison and prison labor. I created a document that starts to pile a list of songs and lyrics about prison songs, including links to the songs for those who have not heard some of them. For me, I think it was really beneficial to step back out of the book and see how prisons and prison labor is portrayed in other fields. Here is the link to the document, however if it does not work, I can share the google docs with everyone.

[2018-10-03T03:40:32Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-03T03:40:33Z] mahla008: Have you guys seen this?

[2018-10-03T03:40:41Z] mahla008: Rapson hall second floor

[2018-10-03T03:41:00Z] mahla008: Someone else is making zines

[2018-10-03T03:41:02Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-03T03:44:16Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-03T03:44:28Z] mahla008: Nothing too exciting but I got a couple if sweet buttons

[2018-10-03T03:44:50Z] mahla008: Maybe these people are someone to talk to

[2018-10-03T12:02:30Z] olso6229: thanks again for the landscape manifesto books, just read the manifesto on the inside covers

[2018-10-03T12:02:41Z] olso6229: I love the way its formatted

[2018-10-03T12:03:06Z] olso6229: Maybe something we can draw from if/when we reshape our wecolab manifesto later on?

[2018-10-03T12:25:43Z] olso6229: What do you all think of the undermining empire manifesto? I dont know how many people got a copy of it but we can share next time

[2018-10-03T12:27:13Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-03T12:27:37Z] olso6229: I feel like this one transcends the Canadian focus of the publication and bleeds over into what we’re doing

[2018-10-03T12:30:12Z] olso6229: Is there some way we can utilize voice with Danny’s project? Something that augments the experience? Like the idea we had to have a video loop projected on a wall/walls?

[2018-10-03T12:30:56Z] olso6229: How do you feel about that? Does the medium of voice excite you?

[2018-10-03T18:51:07Z] olso6229: Anyone else interested in going to this event? It's in Folwell Hall on Monday, November 5th at 4pm

[2018-10-03T18:54:26Z] olso6229: The title of the event itself seems compelling enough in relation to what we're doing. There's no event abstract up yet but I'll keep my eye on this one

[2018-10-03T19:50:39Z] olso6229: what did midway contemporary look like when you went? The gallery space only has paintings on one wall right now

[2018-10-03T19:50:54Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-03T19:51:09Z] batzl015: Yep!

[2018-10-03T19:51:43Z] batzl015: Also, I just put video of parts of the workshop on the drive

[2018-10-03T19:55:00Z] batzl015: Voice sounds really cool. I think t could be really cool for what we’re doing :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-03T20:00:50Z] mahla008: Insane book at Midway

[2018-10-03T20:01:09Z] mahla008: About prisoner abuse

[2018-10-03T21:44:17Z] olso6229: Whats going on with the prison playlist google doc? Can we make that a collaborative spotify playlist?

[2018-10-03T22:40:03Z] danks010: Ya that was mine Lee?

[2018-10-03T22:40:44Z] danks010: its suppose to be a collaborative playlist whereas anyone can add music that is prison related, maybe evokes ideas about prisons, etc.

[2018-10-03T22:41:51Z] olso6229: Is there a spotify set up? Or is it only a google doc right now?

[2018-10-03T22:43:21Z] danks010: Right now its just a google doc to document the songs, artists, and then I threw in some lyrics because I think it's important to understand the words and messages they are trying to evoke and or persuade others

[2018-10-03T22:48:28Z] danks010:

[2018-10-03T22:49:12Z] danks010:

[2018-10-03T22:49:30Z] danks010:

[2018-10-03T22:49:52Z] danks010:

[2018-10-03T22:50:17Z] olso6229: I have a different perspective on Yves Klein and Judo after reading through that book

[2018-10-03T22:50:48Z] olso6229: Tools of Disobedience was so simple but powerful

[2018-10-03T22:50:53Z] danks010: Some Lygia Clark Books at the Midway Contemporary Library! Good stuff there as well.

[2018-10-04T01:13:43Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-04T01:13:57Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-04T14:03:01Z] olson175:

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Pennsylvania Prisons Hired A Private Company To Intercept And Store Prisoners’ Mail

https://theappeal.org/pennsylvania-prisons-hired-a-private-company-to-intercept-and-store-prisoners-mail/

[2018-10-04T14:14:53Z] olso6229: What the f******k

[2018-10-04T14:14:56Z] olso6229: Hold on

[2018-10-04T14:22:49Z] olso6229: All mail to prisons in Pennsylvania gets routed through a private company in Florida

[2018-10-04T14:23:23Z] olso6229: The mail is scanned into a database, a photocopy is made and sent to the prison, and the original mail is destroyed

[2018-10-04T14:23:40Z] olso6229: "The DOC has also banned prisoners from receiving books from vendors—including book donation organizations like Books Through Bars. Instead, prisoners will have the option of paying for ebooks via tablets that cost over $147 each."

[2018-10-04T14:23:46Z] olso6229: >tablets that cost over $147 each

[2018-10-04T14:23:48Z] olso6229: HA

[2018-10-04T14:26:33Z] olso6229: The reason for this happening sounds like it was orchestrated by the Pennsylvania DOC

[2018-10-04T14:28:58Z] olso6229: “An incarcerated person may not want a private company to know about them and their family’s medical problems. They may not want a private company to know about grievances that they have."

[2018-10-04T14:29:16Z] olso6229: From Zeke Caliguiri we already know healthcare + medical access in prisons is a nightmare

[2018-10-04T14:40:55Z] olso6229: Oh man,

“This new policy is already having a chilling effect on how lawyers are communicating with their clients. Because legal mail is being opened and copied, attorney-client privilege is basically being ignored”

[2018-10-04T16:32:56Z] olso6229: Phillip Zimbardo

[2018-10-04T17:26:49Z] bialo011: ^his prison experiment was actually deeply flawed and widely regarded as being heavily biased. He basically set it up in a way where the guards where influenced to be more aggressive

[2018-10-04T17:42:46Z] olso6229: totally

[2018-10-04T17:43:47Z] olso6229: they definitely highlight that bias in him in the stanford prison experiment movie

[2018-10-04T17:45:27Z] olso6229: i think that incident could be valuable for us to look at, because we (maybe) are going to impact the space in a way where we want to encourage or suggest certain reactions (emotions, watcher/watched psychology shift, etc)

[2018-10-04T18:00:21Z] olso6229: WAIT, WOW

[2018-10-04T18:01:00Z] olso6229: A sign to push our video ideas ahead

[2018-10-04T18:01:34Z] olso6229: I had left off just before this paragraph in the Pennsylvania DOC article

[2018-10-04T18:01:36Z] olso6229: “Staff no longer are required to inspect each page for the presence of contraband, significantly reducing the time that staff handle or view privileged documents and allowing the inmate to receive the mail sooner. Finally, under the revised procedure, the entire transaction is recorded by video.”

[2018-10-04T18:02:08Z] olso6229: meta-recording

[2018-10-04T18:02:16Z] olso6229: i wonder if they have guards watching at the same time

[2018-10-04T18:02:17Z] danks010: My other idea came to me! I was thinking about the idea of freedom. We talked a lot about how prisoners are affected, what they lose, and I was thinking a lot about the idea of privacy or lack of privacy in prison. I think we often forget that privacy is a freedom and so I was curious of relating losing this privacy to the idea about observation. I'm not sure where I am headed with this idea, but just something I was thinking about......

[2018-10-04T18:13:34Z] danks010: Hey Matt, what was that video called with the prisoners chopping wood? It's been a while since I have seen it...I wanted to refresh my memory!

[2018-10-04T18:18:54Z] olso6229: take a look in today, are we set on the quotes? i think we need a better balance between men and women

[2018-10-04T18:19:50Z] olso6229: there are three quotes from that seems odd to me

[2018-10-04T18:19:58Z] renst011: The newsletter is already sent in for print but I added all of the quotes that were up before class today!

[2018-10-04T18:22:05Z] olso6229: ahhhh got it

[2018-10-04T18:22:57Z] olso6229: but thank you for crafting a wild zine with us!! :heart_eyes::rolled_up_newspaper:

[2018-10-04T18:28:44Z] batzl015: Yeah, I understand that they pertain to the class, but I think we already have Matt quotes in the writing he did for the first newsletter

[2018-10-04T18:29:03Z] batzl015: I think for the sake of diversity, we can leave those ones out

[2018-10-04T18:40:52Z] olso6229: Last section of the Pennsylvania DOC article:

[2018-10-04T18:43:15Z] olso6229: "The policy also bans educational programs and books donation programs. / Books Through Bars, a donation service that has operated in Pennsylvania for over 30 years, is protesting this change as censorship. Through the program, prisoners can request two or three free books every three months. / A “million books are published a year. The DOC is saying they’ll offer [about] 8,000 titles on e-readers,” [Keir Neuringer, a longtime volunteer with Books Through Bars, said.] “When you consider that those of us on the outside have access to millions and millions of titles. This policy cuts you out of such an enormous access to books.” Neuringer also stated that e-book tablets make it possible for the DOC to start monitoring what people were reading."

[2018-10-04T18:44:27Z] olso6229: I'm not going to read a million, much less 8,000, books in my lifetime

[2018-10-04T18:45:04Z] olso6229: My frame of mind on book access was changed already by us talking, and even more after reading this

[2018-10-04T18:45:51Z] olso6229: Yeah, all of us "on the outside" all have access to every coffee shop in the twin cities, but who cares?? It's a totally empty statement to me

[2018-10-04T19:00:09Z] boris: - might be this:

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no more, my lord

https://youtu.be/4Is6N4Q26Tc

[2018-10-04T19:01:58Z] danks010: Thanks Boris! This is exactly what I was looking for! :+1:

[2018-10-04T19:03:21Z] boris: note the sound of a chip striking the microphone towards the end

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Various - Negro Prison Songs

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Negro-Prison-Songs/release/1587237

[2018-10-04T19:04:41Z] boris: I have the record, maybe we should organize a listening session:)

[2018-10-04T19:04:45Z] olso6229: YES

[2018-10-04T19:05:52Z] danks010: I will definitely keep my ears peeled for it! Thanks again.

[2018-10-04T19:08:07Z] olso6229: Is there a turntable in the weisman? can we bring it down to the target gallery during our class? to see how our moods and ideas change with the addition of sound

[2018-10-04T19:08:54Z] danks010: YES! Great Idea...definitely would think it would change the space with some noise, especially with the vaulted ceilings bouncing the noise.

[2018-10-04T22:58:54Z] olson175: this is the largest user of prison labor in the state according to Danny...

[2018-10-04T23:49:49Z] batzl015: Whaaaaaaaaaat

[2018-10-04T23:50:02Z] karle029: lol the irony is 2 good

[2018-10-04T23:51:25Z] batzl015: Also everyone, meet up this weekend/Monday to discuss questions and principles of the book arrangement? I think best with others I think

[2018-10-04T23:51:52Z] olso6229: Aye aye

[2018-10-04T23:52:49Z] karle029: yeah i'm down

[2018-10-05T00:20:28Z] danks010: ill do my best to try to get there

[2018-10-05T01:19:40Z] fasbe023: I'm in

[2018-10-05T14:47:52Z] schra470: I only have one class Monday (11:15-12:30) so that sounds great to me

[2018-10-05T14:50:18Z] batzl015: Cool :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-05T15:11:04Z] schra470: Just remembered something I forgot to recommend yesterday during our short discussion on music! For all those who are curious about music, check out the “music” episode on a show called “explained” on Netflix. Super fascinating info on how humans understand and experience music unlike any other creature on earth. I think there is something to be said about how there’s no true way to explain how the human brain puts all the elements of music together and makes sense of it, and for that to cause an emotional reaction....just something to be curious about :thinking_face: Also, I’d recommend everyone just watch that show in general, every episode is super interesting and just makes you a little more knowledgeable about topics you may have never even thought about! And it comes out on a weekly basis, so you don’t run out of episodes to watch:slightly_smiling_face::v::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-05T18:53:56Z] olso6229: cool ill check it out, whats the nutshell of how humans experience music differently??

[2018-10-05T18:55:09Z] olso6229: Is monday or sunday a better day to meet? Open invitation to everyone

[2018-10-05T18:57:03Z] schra470: Basically from what I remember, there are all these different aspects of music (pitch, rhythm, harmony, etc) that are exclusively detected by different species, but we actually use all of these together to hear music

[2018-10-05T18:57:31Z] schra470: Also, a fun fact was that we are one of the only creatures that can easily move to a beat, almost unconsciously

[2018-10-05T19:10:30Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-05T19:10:32Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-05T19:10:37Z] olso6229: Markus Miessen will be at Rapson this fall

[2018-10-05T19:11:28Z] olso6229: Monday, November 26th at 5pm in Rapson 100

[2018-10-05T19:23:15Z] mahla008: Omg it's that guy

[2018-10-05T19:33:11Z] olso6229: Lets invite him to the weisman

[2018-10-05T20:18:36Z] watso595: Zines in studio for the studio crawl!!

[2018-10-05T20:28:47Z] olso6229: SENSATIONAL

[2018-10-05T20:29:07Z] olso6229: Anyone going to the WAM many visions preview party tonight after studio crawl?

[2018-10-05T23:54:57Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-06T00:27:28Z] krieg087: Hey everyone!! I think I finally have my slack up and running again?? I'm realizing my comments from last weekend never posted when I thought they were (Sam I'm pretty positive the same thing was happening to me, as what happened to your slack a couple weeks ago). So for my assignment I'm going to need some volunteers, the more there are, the more powerful the project.

Looking at the idea of imprisonment, I want to do portraits of our studio group and give people the chance to just bear raw emotion and discuss heavy topics in a public way. The theme of each portrait will be the question asked personally "What am I imprisoned by?" My portrait will be about my disability and feeling imprisoned by my own body.

If you want to be a part of this feel free to like this message, contact me via Facebook message, email me at , shoot me a text, send a telegraph, or a tiny rolled up scroll delivered by a fox, or a note on a carrier pigeon.

[2018-10-06T00:43:04Z] batzl015: Just wrote a little thing on the interview I did with my mom about her teaching practice and her thoughts on Coccia’s writing. Here it is!

[2018-10-06T00:46:44Z] olso6229: Wow good timing, heres my mom interview for the zine too haha

[2018-10-06T00:51:59Z] olso6229: i'll also post this in newsletter media [edited file, latest version is in ]

[2018-10-06T00:52:10Z] olso6229: here's a PDF too

[2018-10-06T00:52:29Z] olso6229: im heading to WAM preview party now, but i'll read it this weekend

[2018-10-06T01:27:28Z] rumbe003:

[2018-10-06T01:27:31Z] rumbe003:

[2018-10-06T01:27:35Z] rumbe003:

[2018-10-06T01:28:10Z] rumbe003: Matt had me handwrite an interview with John Cage about collaboration, and to try and incorporate sketches relevant to Cage's life/work

[2018-10-06T01:28:15Z] rumbe003: So, here it is I guess!

[2018-10-06T01:30:29Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-06T01:30:33Z] mahla008: It's Poppin at the weisman

[2018-10-06T01:30:57Z] olso6229: Im on #slack mom

[2018-10-06T01:56:27Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-06T02:12:00Z] mahla008: Are we meeting Monday or was there a plan for a time this weekend?

[2018-10-06T18:15:26Z] watso595: I could meet monday

[2018-10-06T18:25:45Z] karle029: If this helps to figure out a time when people are all available :

[2018-10-06T18:26:29Z] karle029: updated notes

[2018-10-06T18:28:26Z] mahla008: Wow that's a cool tool

[2018-10-06T18:29:08Z] olso6229: Oooo ty

[2018-10-06T18:43:52Z] olso6229: I like this way more than doodle

[2018-10-06T18:43:58Z] olso6229: Filled my availability out

[2018-10-07T19:51:20Z] schra470:

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The end of American prison visits: jails end face-to-face contact – and families suffer

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/09/skype-for-jailed-video-calls-prisons-replace-in-person-visits

[2018-10-07T19:58:08Z] schra470: This is what Matt was talking about on Thursday when he briefly brought up switching from in-person visits to video chats in prison. Not only is stripping away an inmates ability to have face to face contact unethical in my opinion, the fact that a person has to pay $13 for a 20 minute, glitching conversation is absurd. I personally believe nobody should ever profit off of crime and incarceration, but here is YET ANOTHER way in which someone is filling their pockets at the expense of others. It is sad. Also, I know this is nothing like being separated by incarceration, but being somebody who uses video chat almost daily to connect with my partner who lives in a different city, I can easily say there is so much lacking in a conversation that happens over a screen, vs in person contact. This is just sad.

[2018-10-07T22:54:36Z] rumbe003: Crazy... the prison phone industry is valued at 1.2 billion dollars a year! That's insane!

[2018-10-07T22:54:54Z] rumbe003: Monopolizing human rights

[2018-10-07T22:58:34Z] rumbe003: Are there any question that people might have about prisons and the architecture of prisons and how design might be used as a strategy in prisons? Or anything along those lines? I'm going into BWBR tomorrow for an informational interview and I know that one of the architects that I'm meeting with has a large body of work in prison design, so I plan on picking his brain a little bit

[2018-10-08T12:31:19Z] batzl015: Meet later today? Also does anyone know how to play piano/have access to a piano?

[2018-10-08T12:53:37Z] olso6229: you could open up a DAW like garageband or logic on your laptop and use a keyboard piano :musical_keyboard:

[2018-10-08T13:40:25Z] olso6229: aside from the 1st floor piano in coffman, there are pianos by the whole and upstairs around the president’s room

[2018-10-08T13:41:01Z] olso6229: There might be one in the lind hall library still

[2018-10-08T13:42:58Z] watso595: It looks like around 4 today might be a good time to meet?

[2018-10-08T13:44:54Z] olso6229: I could jam with a four

[2018-10-08T13:45:35Z] batzl015: 4 works for me!

[2018-10-08T14:56:55Z] olso6229: Just had a chat at work with our digital comms director, she pitched the idea of having me do a U of M alumni association instagram takeover for like a week. Im thinking it could be a good way to promote wecolab/weisman/danny’s project/BDA

Thoughts?

[2018-10-08T15:10:38Z] schra470: Yes!!

[2018-10-08T15:11:10Z] schra470: Also I can meet at 4 too :grin: BDA studio?

[2018-10-08T15:13:30Z] watso595: Yeah let’s meet in studio, there’ll be some classes going on but I think it could be good to discuss wecolab stuff around other BDA students since they aren’t able to see what we do as much

[2018-10-08T19:36:23Z] schra470: turned the google docs prison playlist into a spotify playlist for easier listening! Added a few of my own songs and made it collaborative, so if you have spotify, add away!

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Prison

https://open.spotify.com/user/1247497233/playlist/1v3SH9dyKt3X5ZAsuBBy4T?si=9LeF9BMGSx-bOm21bdswOQ

[2018-10-08T20:10:57Z] schra470: Artist Trent Bell created this very moving project in 2014 called "REFLECT Project" which basically consists of portraits of prisoners with letters to their past selves surrounding them....Powerful stuff that may give insight into the personal more human side of this project. Here's a link to the images:

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Reflect Portrait of Wes

https://www.trentbell.com/REFLECT-Project/prisoners/1

[2018-10-08T21:59:02Z] schra470: Lee and Oliver’s Collaborative transportation

[2018-10-08T22:01:51Z] karle029: bad news ppl

[2018-10-08T22:02:13Z] karle029: weismann is closed on mondays apparently

[2018-10-08T22:02:26Z] schra470: OMG NO

[2018-10-08T22:02:34Z] watso595: Oh no

[2018-10-08T22:03:03Z] schra470: Sasha are you still there

[2018-10-08T22:03:09Z] karle029: yes

[2018-10-08T22:15:30Z] schra470: If anyone who’s free wants to come to the wood workshop we are here!

[2018-10-09T14:23:45Z] schra470: Our prototype is being carted

[2018-10-09T18:26:24Z] olso6229: about NY book art fair

[2018-10-09T18:26:28Z] olso6229: i've mentioned moon palace books before

[2018-10-09T18:26:56Z] olso6229: moon palce is drawing from NY book art fair

[2018-10-09T18:27:46Z] olso6229: i can also see threads to the NY book art fair from this years Autoptic in downtown

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Autoptic 2018 / Aug. 19, 2018 / MPLS, MN

https://autoptic.org/

[2018-10-09T18:28:21Z] olso6229: beautiful place too, Aria

[2018-10-10T00:23:10Z] olso6229: Jakob colten and i are communicating with Jennifer at the MN Prison Writing Workshop. I can copy or summarize her email for you all, she’s been a great help to us so far. Does anyone have any questions or thoughts they want to have us translate over to her?

[2018-10-10T00:24:21Z] olso6229: The prison workshop also hosts a public reading event called Beyond Bars, which i think we all need to go to

[2018-10-10T00:24:41Z] olso6229: Jennifer was gracious and invited us all there

[2018-10-10T00:25:43Z] olso6229: It’ll be at Hamline this month

[2018-10-10T00:25:47Z] olso6229:

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Beyond Bars: A Public Reading - October 22, 2016, 7:00pm

https://www.mnprisonwriting.org/mpww-public-reading.html

[2018-10-10T00:28:09Z] olso6229: As far as book donations, we’re getting copies of the gift and how can i help? I mean, really, imagine the WARDEN holding copies of those books in their hands and deciding if they get in. That’s wild to me :face_with_cowboy_hat:

[2018-10-10T00:32:16Z] olso6229: and I also have some info to unpack and communicate to y’all

[2018-10-10T00:33:03Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-10T00:33:52Z] olso6229: We just found this earlier tonight

[2018-10-10T00:36:01Z] olso6229: In tune with ’s conversation with BWBR. Also, Sam, did the people you talk to at BWBR have a weird attitude about being a firm that has designed prisons? Were they embarrassed, was there a stigma attached to it, were they neutral or happy about it? Curious what their feeling towards it are

[2018-10-10T00:40:52Z] danks010: Super interested in exploring some of the ideas regarding a study by Laura Kurgan that mentioned above. and I are applying some of the things we learned in WeCoLab to a research project in another class.

[2018-10-10T00:41:44Z] danks010: You might need to give me a recap of the Beyond Bars Lecture if you go. I have class on Monday nights so I can't make it. Really wish I could go though.

[2018-10-10T02:56:57Z] olso6229: Anyone have time for a library visit tomorrow 2pm?

[2018-10-10T03:42:02Z] olso6229: We have room for 1 more to come with

[2018-10-10T03:42:16Z] olso6229: In coltens car anyway

[2018-10-10T03:42:42Z] olso6229: We’re going to MCAD / MIA at 2pm

[2018-10-10T03:43:57Z] olso6229: If you have time, you should meet up and check it out with us all! :bat:

[2018-10-10T17:25:40Z] olson175: could you guys bring some wecolabs and try to place them? especially using your new awareness of etiquette :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-10T17:25:55Z] olson175: newsletters that is

[2018-10-10T17:27:02Z] mahla008: where can we get the newsletters? Is there more in studio?

[2018-10-10T17:27:48Z] watso595: In the arch office, in a box

[2018-10-10T17:27:59Z] watso595: Mahva can tell you if you can’t find the box

[2018-10-10T17:30:34Z] schra470: can I come to the library today!?

[2018-10-10T17:32:13Z] mahla008: Cool cool pwatts

[2018-10-10T17:51:43Z] schra470: Shelves have been moved from our original cluster...interesting observation, wonder how this will affect the view from the window

[2018-10-10T17:55:43Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-10T17:55:46Z] mahla008: I bet it was this guy who moved them

[2018-10-10T18:25:23Z] olso6229: Let’s come up with some locations to group up outside of the Weisman for tomorrow:

[2018-10-10T18:25:44Z] olso6229: The graduate hotel lobby

[2018-10-10T18:26:24Z] olso6229: Nanotech building 2nd or 3rd floor

[2018-10-10T18:26:29Z] mahla008: ?

[2018-10-10T18:27:11Z] olso6229: Didn’t we say that we would think of places to meet with Danny outside of WAM tomorrow?

[2018-10-10T18:27:17Z] olso6229: Or did that get scrapped?

[2018-10-10T18:27:57Z] schra470: Graduate hotel lobby :heart_eyes: most comfortable seating

[2018-10-10T18:28:31Z] batzl015: I think it would be cool to meet outside of WAM or Rapson

[2018-10-10T18:28:49Z] batzl015: Maybe a room in Bruninks? I’m not sure

[2018-10-10T18:29:26Z] olso6229: Bruininks feels sterile IMO, the lobby areas facing the river is nice

[2018-10-10T18:29:31Z] mahla008: I thought we were just meeting in a different room of the weismann

[2018-10-10T18:29:39Z] mahla008: Cause we couldn't decide

[2018-10-10T18:30:00Z] olso6229: I thought that was for the first half before we meet Danny

[2018-10-10T18:31:53Z] mahla008: :thinking_face:

[2018-10-10T18:33:08Z] olso6229: the merge records bit in your email is really throwin me off

[2018-10-10T18:33:25Z] olso6229: Your friends know how to pick em

[2018-10-10T18:35:00Z] olso6229: about the book rearrangement, see ’s photo/message above. Seems like someone outside of our class did it? As far as i know, we left then placed neatly on the carts, which were clustered by the window

[2018-10-10T18:37:51Z] olso6229: We will distribute some magazines to MCAD + MIA today. Light Grey Art Lab is across the street from MCAD, maybe we can drop some off there.

[2018-10-10T19:09:21Z] olso6229: you still wanna come with?

[2018-10-10T19:10:22Z] schra470: Yes! I’ve been in contact with Colten, we good

[2018-10-10T19:10:29Z] olso6229: Sweet

[2018-10-10T19:10:36Z] olso6229: Jakob and i will come down to HGA

[2018-10-10T23:04:44Z] olso6229: we’ve got some cool news to pass on from our library visit today !!

[2018-10-10T23:05:41Z] olso6229: We’ll explain tomorrow :scorpion::basketball:

[2018-10-11T01:17:45Z] feria006: Matt asked me to share this manifesto by Jason Rens an individual not so characterized by his designs as much as the individual aspects of craft and emotion that they evoke. I looked into Rens further and discovered a couple interview in which he got into many of the topics/issues we are facing now. First, he talks about materials as letters in the alphabet, how when in the right combination and order they can make words, sentences and eventually language. I think this could be something to consider as we move forward in to making something.

[2018-10-11T01:21:26Z] feria006: Second, his thoughts on collaboration. Most of his projects involving collaborating across many different professions, mediums and ideologies. I think going forward we should use his manifesto in order to keep our ideas evolving and thus making the product much more evoking.

[2018-10-11T02:03:29Z] olson175: He's a friend so, if we wanna Skype with him or something, it'd be easy. (He might even say he learned some of this stuff from me?!) :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-11T07:54:53Z] olso6229: Highlights from 's interview with architects @ BWBR about prison design. Posting for Sam because his Slack has toys in the attic

[2018-10-11T07:54:56Z] olso6229: -In their eyes, prison design has become much LESS oppressive over the last 10-15 years.. more space is being provided for inmates in cells and in common areas, more focus is being put towards ventilation of the prison, circulation within the prison to best suite the prisoners, etc. I found that to be interesting because I see it as a sign of positive change and motion(hopefully).

-These designers/architects talked me through some design strategies that they use. In each prison, they strive for two things: Calmness and Security. How do these things mix and match? Security is such a tension-inducing word, calmness is the opposite. They aim to provide abundant amounst of daylight into qualifying areas of the prisons, as well as the use of acoustic materials on the walls and in corners of larger areas. Since there are so many hard surfaces in prisons, sounds bounces everywhere, especially when tensions are high and there is lots of yelling. I found this to be especially interesting, especially in light of our recent discussions regarding sound, and sound as a free and endless resource.

-Perhaps most importantly, they encouraged me to think of prison as a city. This I found to be incredibly thought provoking. Society always constructs this image of "real life" and the city life as one thing, and then prisons as an entirely different world/concept. In reality, prisons have stores, economies, transportations systems, postal services, recreational opportunities, educational facilities, etc. Many components to the cities that free citizens live in and understand! I think we could be more productive moving forward if we also thought of prisons as miniature cities, instead of thinking of them as other-worldly. We may be able to empathize more efficiently with prisoners and find more humanity in our humility.

[2018-10-11T07:57:29Z] olso6229: ++ in the morning let's all talk about meeting outside of WAM for the back half of class

[2018-10-11T18:13:28Z] feria006: Just a spark from the meeting with Danny today, he talked a lot of statistics of the people in jail (all family member, half parents, third with mental illness) an idea for redacting our readings could be using those percentages for the percent of the reading, skipping pages or words to raise awareness to the types of people that are in this system

[2018-10-11T18:19:10Z] olso6229: Damn, good observation , i totally missed that. I did pick up on Danny being into incorporating the number of balloons that a prisoner would pack for single shipping into something we make. Ideas?

[2018-10-11T18:23:06Z] olso6229: Overview from today with Danny:

- balloons :balloon: + handing out to people, incorporated with the target gallery space, something that gets handed out at the event? during the sleep conversation event, people were given pillows, pillow cases, and sewing kits to make at home, as an activity to help them fall asleep. Create a giant pikachu balloon glob at the WAM entry

[2018-10-11T18:24:00Z] olso6229: - evoke prison visitation environment. Rows/benches of seats where people face each other

[2018-10-11T18:24:40Z] olso6229: ^^ tie boris’ interview with robert irwin + habitability symposium into the way we think about this

[2018-10-11T18:25:46Z] olso6229: (Cool note, boris is generating a habitability symposium in 2020 here. Also, jennifer newsom + dream the combine will be the artists in residence at WAM next academic year)

[2018-10-11T18:27:20Z] olso6229: you should talk to jennifer about Spooky Architecture. She did a guest lecture in one of my classes on Halloween last year dressed as a witch.

[2018-10-11T18:28:47Z] olso6229: - directional lines on the floor. Tape may ruin the floor, try paint instead. Will people have a weird psychological obstacle of crossing a painted line on the floor?

[2018-10-11T18:30:59Z] olso6229: How that evokes control, restriction, authority, order, rules, manufacturing inaccessibility, obscuring. We don’t know what we don’t know

[2018-10-11T18:37:14Z] olso6229: - play handball as a performance? Activity outside of WAM to stop people on the street. Something we do during the workshop artist talk? Something filmed or photographed and gets projected into the space?

[2018-10-11T18:38:07Z] olso6229: - will WAM allow concrete or cinderblocks?

[2018-10-11T18:40:43Z] olso6229: - how can we use sound? Start recording books on tape. Redact audio - distort audio, censor with SFX, dont record certain words/topics/passages/etc. Is the redaction explicit or hidden? A false transparency? People wouldn’t know what they don’t know.

[2018-10-11T18:45:59Z] olso6229: - about materials, danny mentioned blue-gray enamel paint

[2018-10-11T18:47:12Z] olso6229: - can we see if the U of M has a banned books list?

[2018-10-11T18:47:38Z] olso6229: How does that list overlap, align, conflict, surprise us when compared to DOC lists?

[2018-10-11T18:49:16Z] olso6229: A reminder: MN Prison Writing Workshop’s Beyond Bars event is at Hamline next Saturday, October 20 at 7 PM – 9 PM

[2018-10-11T18:50:18Z] olso6229: The event is free and Jennifer from the program has warmly and graciously invited us all to attend

[2018-10-11T18:51:47Z] danks010: That Spooky Architecture lecture your talking about is really interesting, besides the point that it doesn't relate to this project

[2018-10-11T18:52:13Z] olso6229: In what ways does it not?

[2018-10-11T18:53:18Z] danks010: I suppose I would have to reflect more on it. That's a good question for me to explore.

[2018-10-11T19:01:32Z] danks010:

[2018-10-11T19:01:51Z] danks010:

[2018-10-11T19:04:00Z] danks010: Here was a few collages I had been working on to build ways to express ideas by storytelling. I realize after todays meeting that these may be irrelevant but the goal behind them was try to evoke ideas of viewing the space. However, I am keeping this on the back burner to allow other ideas to be generated.

[2018-10-11T19:11:40Z] olso6229: Thank you for sharing !!

[2018-10-11T19:12:22Z] olso6229: Markus Miessen will be in Rapson on November 26th.

He's the Principle Architect of Studio Miessen in Germany, which is self-described as a "decentrally-organized group of architects, designers, and researchers interested in the deployment of Critical Spatial Practice as a methodology. They collaboratively work and consult on projects that include spatial design, strategic frameworks, research, curatorial and discursive activities."

They also say they "work closely with artists, who we assist to realize small-to-large-scale spatial ideas and support them in realizing exhibitions and large-scale institutional shows. Our work also includes self-initiated activities and projects that span from physical construction to writing and criticism. Our practice is based on dialogue."

Sounds familiar. :slightly_smiling_face:

If Markus is here on the day before or after that Monday, we should invite him to WAM, talk with him, other ideas?

[2018-10-11T19:13:54Z] danks010: Most definitely agree.

[2018-10-11T19:13:57Z] olso6229: - here are some photos of Danny's work that I was referencing today:

[2018-10-11T19:16:52Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-11T19:48:11Z] olso6229: I've scheduled my office Instagram takeover for the week of Danny's workshop/conversation in November

[2018-10-11T19:49:46Z] olso6229: Following from our discussion on how to escape architectural material traps, here's a recent solo exhibition from MCAD faculty member Kate Casanova. This was at Public Functionary this August

[2018-10-11T19:49:47Z] olso6229:

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Body Works: Kate Casanova at Public Functionary

https://www.mplsart.com/written/2018/08/body-works-kate-casanova-at-public-functionary/

[2018-10-11T20:33:44Z] olson175: here's the guys I work with for context, you might even recognize some universal patterns and forms?

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Sober path out of prison in jeopardy

http://www.startribune.com/sober-path-out-of-prison-in-jeopardy/122632424/

[2018-10-11T23:42:09Z] karle029: could you add your notes to the google doc pls:)

[2018-10-12T01:16:31Z] karle029: ‼️ please fill out your availability !! ‼️

[2018-10-12T01:18:12Z] mahla008: ^^^^^^^^

[2018-10-12T03:16:42Z] olso6229: i would love to :heart:

[2018-10-12T03:32:44Z] olso6229: I've restructured the google notes document

[2018-10-12T03:32:47Z] olso6229: and added notes from today

[2018-10-12T03:34:34Z] olso6229: I've changed the chronology to descending dates, that way most recent meetings have higher visibility

[2018-10-12T03:36:59Z] olso6229: So a few of us visited MCAD/MIA this week. After talking to the librarians there, we found out MIA hosted an event during BANNED BOOKS WEEK at the end of September titled "Don't Read This! Don't See This! : Censorship and the Creative Truth of Words and Art"

[2018-10-12T03:41:30Z] olso6229: We passed over a few copies of the WeCoLab zine to the librarians to give to program/department heads and directors. We also exchanged contact info, and will stay in touch. I asked Danny if he's interested in connecting with MIA and will follow up on that with him

[2018-10-12T03:42:34Z] olso6229: Sam's BWBR interview summary is also on the doc

[2018-10-12T03:44:09Z] olso6229: Does anyone want to take a trip to Moon Palace Books together? If you want to experience the NY book art fair approach firsthand, that place is a great resource

[2018-10-12T05:21:54Z] olso6229: Anyone have time for a library visit next Monday or Wednesday afternoon?

[2018-10-12T07:32:00Z] olso6229:

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The Voice Behind Many Bestselling Books On Tape Is Actually That of An Infamous Serial Killer

https://www.shared.com/serial-killer-audio-books/

[2018-10-12T07:32:29Z] olso6229: Kemper murdered several people, including his paternal grandparents and mother

[2018-10-12T07:32:43Z] olso6229: He was also a necrophiliac

[2018-10-12T07:33:05Z] olso6229: Bits from the article:

[2018-10-12T07:33:07Z] olso6229: "From 1977 to 1987, Kemper had spent over 5,000 hours in the recording booth and had more than four million feet of tape and several hundred books to his credit"

[2018-10-12T07:33:11Z] olso6229: “I can’t begin to tell you what this has meant to me, to be able to do something constructive for someone else, to be appreciated by so many people, the good feeling it gives me after what I have done,” Kemper said.

[2018-10-12T07:35:07Z] olso6229: He is currently serving 8 concurrent life sentences in California

[2018-10-12T07:37:45Z] olso6229:

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Imgur

https://imgur.com/xzWBeyL

[2018-10-12T07:37:56Z] olso6229: Is there something we can do with the essence of inmate IDs?

[2018-10-12T07:38:30Z] olso6229:

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Ed Kemper Interview - 1991 (extended)

https://youtu.be/j8IfslxOmF0

[2018-10-12T07:44:27Z] olso6229: This is wild, imagine this: this video is an interview of Ed Kemper by French writer Stéphane Bourgoin.

In 1976, Bourgoin discovered his girlfriend Eileen, "killed, raped and cut into pieces" in their apartment in Los Angeles, California.

Since 1979, Bourgoin has interviewed 77 different serial killers.

[2018-10-12T14:08:55Z] mahla008: reposting cause we only got half the studio rn

[2018-10-12T14:11:13Z] olso6229: it takes like 10 seconds to fill out on your phone :)

[2018-10-12T16:25:31Z] mahla008: Are the only people still needing to do the when to meet, but so far only half of us could meet tonight. Alot of us could do saturday morning, half on sunday, and most of us monday evening

[2018-10-12T17:39:43Z] rumbe003: I am out of town at a family wedding all weekend so my only day I can meet is Monday evening

[2018-10-12T17:39:52Z] rumbe003: as I just put into the thing

[2018-10-12T18:05:10Z] olso6229: Sweet thanks for the heads up sam!

[2018-10-12T18:07:25Z] batzl015: just updated it!

[2018-10-12T19:26:41Z] olso6229: Thank you Pangolin

[2018-10-12T19:36:38Z] santo204: Sorry for the delay, I filled out the when 2 meet now

[2018-10-12T20:00:44Z] mahla008: Would we want to meet Saturday morning and then maybe Sunday night? And if we have to Monday night?

[2018-10-12T20:02:23Z] batzl015: I dig that

[2018-10-12T20:02:54Z] mahla008: And then maybe after the proposal we could maybe break into teams for certain projects for the 14th so it's easier for people to meet in those groups?

[2018-10-12T20:07:13Z] watso595: I could meet tomorrow morning! I like that plan

[2018-10-12T20:07:26Z] olso6229: Agree im into it

[2018-10-12T20:36:18Z] schra470: Spotted in the bathroom at St. Croix state park :eyes:

[2018-10-13T00:05:31Z] danks010: Nice find.

[2018-10-13T00:06:49Z] olso6229: See yall tomorrow around 9 am in rapson!

[2018-10-13T15:44:27Z] watso595: Hey , we're working on drafting a project proposal and want to know if we're thinking about two separate projects (one for nov. 14th and the other for dec 11th), or if we want to have all of our ideas done by the artist talk on nov. 14th?

[2018-10-13T15:45:29Z] mahla008: I vote Nov 14th all ideas

[2018-10-13T15:46:00Z] watso595: I wonder about what we do after nov. 14th if we have all the projects done by then

[2018-10-13T15:46:04Z] olso6229: I vote duo/concurrent projects

[2018-10-13T15:48:40Z] fasbe023: Duo/concurrent

[2018-10-13T16:10:25Z] : has a poll for you!

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Hey @everyone, we're working on drafting a project proposal and want to know if we're thinking about two separate projects (one for nov. 14th and the other for dec 11th), or if we want to have all of our ideas done by the artist talk on nov. 14th?

[2018-10-13T16:22:10Z] batzl015: I’ll be in around noon to work with y’all

[2018-10-13T16:48:32Z] schra470: Unfortunately I’m out of town today so I won’t be able to come help, but I will be available on Sunday night and Monday to help continue the project

[2018-10-13T16:52:11Z] mahla008: We will have a second meeting Sunday night, time to be decided later, we got a good start today and Parker and a few others will be forming a draft of the proposal to be edited and finalized tomorrow for matt

[2018-10-13T17:10:29Z] batzl015: Where are y’all?

[2018-10-13T17:10:37Z] batzl015: Did you finish up already?

[2018-10-13T17:11:21Z] olso6229: I left, but we set up a google doc draft for the project proposal :ok_hand::ok_hand:

[2018-10-13T17:11:36Z] batzl015: Ok, sounds good

[2018-10-13T17:11:40Z] batzl015: Sorry I couldn’t make it

[2018-10-13T17:12:21Z] olso6229: No problem, see you tomorrow?

[2018-10-13T17:16:09Z] batzl015: Yep!

[2018-10-13T18:43:54Z] olson175: great to see motion/enthusiasm! Nice job you guys. Just a reminder - maybe you're already doing this but - I encourage you to move all things forward at the same time... so discussions about dates are important but until we know more about what we're going to do, it's hard to make those decisions meaningful? I always try to keep as many variables in the air and moving with me as long as I can. The variables I can see now are: built objects (design, iterations, and prototyping may be necessary), policies the Weisman and Boris have that might affect those objects/designs, budgets and the necessity to get Gayla and Boris's approval, shop time and project planning, material considerations, de-installation and disposal/recycling at the end of the project, new ideas that will emerge as we move... so make sure you visit these things if you haven't! What am I forgetting? And let me know "how can I help" :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-13T18:44:16Z] rumbe003: Sorry I couldn't make it either, thank for doing that you guys! Exciting stuff!

[2018-10-13T22:50:26Z] watso595: Hey Matt, do you have any examples of project proposals or things like that your firm has made? might be useful as reference while we start to think about all these variables and work on the first draft of ours

[2018-10-14T00:40:37Z] olson175: as part of our attitude about 'open practice' we don't participate in competitions or RFPs so formal, written proposals have been rare in my work. We pretty much only work with people who approach us and never really seek work. But I'd be happy to talk you guys through a few projects on Tuesday to explain how they've come to life. Let me know.

[2018-10-14T14:41:23Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-14T14:42:25Z] olso6229: We should donate these books at Beyond Bars!

[2018-10-14T14:54:11Z] olso6229: Also, a few of us are going to the center for book arts + library in downtown minneapolis on monday afternoon. Open invitation to join us! :books::slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-14T16:37:37Z] mahla008: just a reminder that we are meeting from 3-5 in the the BDA studio today

[2018-10-14T16:45:41Z] olso6229: I’ll be there!

[2018-10-14T19:52:20Z] santo204: I’ll be working in the Rapson laser lab from 3-10, so if someone wants to come fill me or work on scale models of any concepts let me know

[2018-10-14T19:53:12Z] mahla008: Np abe I'll fill you in when you come in and we will come by the lab and get ur help

[2018-10-14T20:47:00Z] fasbe023:

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Joe Rogan Experience #1171 - Nick Yarris

https://youtu.be/AIc5XYpRc1M

[2018-10-15T16:46:05Z] schra470: Where are we meeting up for today’s field trip?

[2018-10-15T16:46:35Z] olso6229: BDA studio, then we’ll walk to the greenline station together

[2018-10-15T16:46:53Z] watso595: Meeting at 1?

[2018-10-15T16:46:57Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-10-15T21:33:59Z] batzl015: Move.

Some good advise from a zine I found at the Center for the Book Arts. Everyone should check this place out!

[2018-10-15T21:34:05Z] batzl015:

[2018-10-15T22:06:38Z] danks010: Wish I could have made it...Unfortunately I had class! Lol We have permission to skip class in favor of doing work for WeCoLab?

[2018-10-15T22:18:17Z] olson175: does move mean physical or conceptual?

[2018-10-15T23:29:53Z] batzl015: I think both

[2018-10-16T14:23:33Z] feria006:

Vice Article about prison handball. Many inmates talk about how the game play resembles life in prison.

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Handball Saved My Life: A Sport Behind Bars

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/yp7yyv/handball-saved-my-life-a-sport-behind-bars

[2018-10-16T14:46:40Z] fasbe023: A video to help understand what andy goldsworthy does

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Rivers and Tides- Andy Goldsworthy

https://youtu.be/f7sZv4_0Fxg

[2018-10-16T18:01:22Z] danks010: I have your sketchbook...you left it at the Weisman so I'll bring it to our meeting tomorrow.

[2018-10-16T19:26:10Z] mahla008: I bought batteries for the laser if you want to use it for measuring, if ur in rapson rn I can give it to ya or find a time to give it to you

[2018-10-16T19:28:37Z] fasbe023: Abe and I found this at the minneapolis central library

[2018-10-16T19:55:49Z] watso595: do you have the measurements of the space yet? does someone need to get an email to Boris?

[2018-10-16T20:32:00Z] santo204: Library visit

[2018-10-16T20:32:37Z] santo204: Happy Librarian

[2018-10-16T22:43:54Z] olso6229: The notes from today’s meeting are on the Google document. I organized everything we talked about into categories. There are plenty of ideas for each group to develop

[2018-10-16T22:47:45Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-16T22:50:23Z] batzl015: I will share a budget and material spreadsheet that I made earlier today with everyone tonight. It’s a list of possible materials, equipment, and costs that we can pull from when choosing our materials. Please take some time to take a look. I think we should have it filled out by tomorrow night at the latest. Keep the stoke high! :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-17T12:12:07Z] olso6229: the spreadsheet looks great, thanks for getting that started

[2018-10-17T20:31:42Z] santo204: & are we still meeting in the BDA studio?

[2018-10-17T20:32:38Z] karle029: weisman

[2018-10-17T20:54:51Z] schra470: Hey guys, just shared with you all an “observation log” that the guard gang is going to work on as the space changes. We will primarily add to it, but if you find yourself observing in your free time, feel free to log your findings on this doc!

[2018-10-18T03:54:06Z] batzl015: Great work filling out the materials spreadsheet y’all!

[2018-10-18T03:54:51Z] batzl015: We still need to fill the video and audio section, so if anyone has done research on that, please put it in the spreadsheet so we can discuss feasibility tomorrow!

[2018-10-18T15:07:22Z] kesse046: This is a simplistic shell of the space, feel free to request the addition of details we will need

[2018-10-18T16:27:07Z] batzl015: A used prison bench…

[2018-10-18T16:28:54Z] batzl015:

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Barker Built® Replacement Seat, Stainless | Jail and Correctional Supplies

https://www.bobbarker.com/replacement-seat-stainless.html

[2018-10-18T18:06:52Z] schra470: Here’s my really REALLY rough sketch from today if we wanna run with the idea of a slant

[2018-10-18T18:09:39Z] batzl015: I think I need more time to work over slants :thinking_face: I don’t know how that functions with the redaction of books that we were passionate about earlier

[2018-10-18T18:52:59Z] mahla008: I think there can be room for both, books on display and book redaction

[2018-10-18T19:36:41Z] batzl015: I totally agree

[2018-10-18T19:37:01Z] batzl015: We should be intentional about how those things relate though

[2018-10-18T19:37:31Z] batzl015: Maybe they’re the same, like redacted and displayed

[2018-10-18T21:55:34Z] feria006: I think the slant is super dope. #slantgang

[2018-10-19T00:25:34Z] olson175: could there be lighting under the benchs?

[2018-10-19T03:35:12Z] kesse046: Here's a quick model of a bench in Sketchup. 12 benches will cost ~$315 (including tax.) I looked on the Home Depot website and found the 2x4s (8' long) are $2.59 per piece and the 4'x8'x3/4" plywood is $20.07 per piece. It will take a total of 20 8' long 2x4's, and 12 sheets of plywood to construct all 12. The bench's dimensions are 1 1/2' x 1 1/2' x 8'

[2018-10-19T03:36:00Z] kesse046: This design is modeled off of Haley's design

[2018-10-19T03:36:08Z] kesse046:

[2018-10-19T19:08:39Z] mahla008: The gift and How Can I Help is on its way to the wardens office in stillwater

[2018-10-19T20:53:05Z] olso6229: Thank you !!

[2018-10-19T21:31:13Z] mahla008: Very cool!

[2018-10-19T23:03:33Z] olso6229: On display at All Square

[2018-10-19T23:44:16Z] olso6229: Bob Marley — I Shot the Sheriff was playing while we ate

[2018-10-19T23:50:44Z] olso6229: Quick info about All Square:

[2018-10-19T23:50:53Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-20T14:26:39Z] olso6229: Who all is coming to Beyond Bars tonight with , , and me?

[2018-10-20T14:45:27Z] batzl015: I don’t think I can come through :( My parents are in the cities tonight and I should spend time with them. I will work on getting some stuff seriously ideated for our big meeting tomorrow :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-20T14:45:55Z] batzl015: Let us know how beyond bars goes though! Report back!

[2018-10-20T18:11:41Z] krieg087: I'm coming! Is there someone driving?

[2018-10-20T23:32:04Z] olso6229: What’s the situation with the WeCoLab tumblr? Is it good to go? I feel like we haven’t heard about it for a while now

[2018-10-20T23:32:18Z] olso6229: Also do we have everything for zine #2?

[2018-10-21T01:23:17Z] olso6229: We need to do something with MPWW, moon palace, and/or free black dirt for the artist talk or beyond in WAM

[2018-10-21T02:42:09Z] olso6229: Holy shit wow, the MPWW event broke my heart and made me laugh hysterically and everything inbetween

[2018-10-21T02:42:51Z] olso6229: We connected with Jen of MPWW and Erin + Janauda of Free Black Dirt

[2018-10-21T02:43:17Z] olso6229: Would love to get them involved somehow

[2018-10-21T13:25:56Z] olso6229: Just got off the phone with Janauda

[2018-10-21T13:27:31Z] olso6229: such an awesome woman

[2018-10-21T13:32:20Z] batzl015: :+1::skin-tone-2::+1::skin-tone-2: amazing lee

[2018-10-21T13:32:58Z] batzl015: Hope to hear more and see where this relationship takes us!

[2018-10-21T13:51:13Z] olso6229: Who all is meeting today?

[2018-10-21T16:15:02Z] watso595: I will be

[2018-10-21T16:15:30Z] batzl015: Me!

[2018-10-21T16:15:40Z] batzl015: What time are we doing?

[2018-10-21T16:21:27Z] mahla008: 5:00 is when most people can meet but we can start a little bit earlier

[2018-10-21T16:28:48Z] olso6229: I will meet earlier

[2018-10-21T16:29:04Z] olso6229: Notes from thursday are up on the google doc !

[2018-10-21T16:29:30Z] batzl015: I’ll be in there at 2ish

[2018-10-21T16:47:15Z] danks010: Please keep me posted how it's going. I'll try to put in some work on my end with some sketches/iterations/elaborating on ideas. Apologize I can't make it down.

[2018-10-21T19:00:46Z] mahla008: If you in rapson there's a mini meeting in the laser lab

[2018-10-21T19:01:10Z] batzl015: Maybe 3ish, I got bad sleep last night

[2018-10-21T19:01:34Z] batzl015: Bottom line, I’ll be there before 5

[2018-10-21T19:01:49Z] watso595: All good

[2018-10-21T22:38:17Z] mahla008: We all in the woodshop if your late to the meeting

[2018-10-22T03:44:42Z] watso595: Notes from today’s meeting are in the doc!

[2018-10-22T03:52:50Z] olso6229: Thank you

[2018-10-23T01:37:31Z] olso6229: We should reach out to Emily Hunt Turner

[2018-10-23T01:37:41Z] olso6229: She's the founder of the All Square institute + restaurant

[2018-10-23T01:37:50Z] olso6229: Weird energy in relation to all of us, she's trained as an architect

[2018-10-23T01:39:22Z] olso6229: But mainly practices in public policy as a civil rights attorney

[2018-10-23T02:01:51Z] olso6229:

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Prison Life in Scandinavia - Discover Scandinavia

https://www.dailyscandinavian.com/prison-life-in-scandinavia/

[2018-10-23T02:02:17Z] olso6229: >_Based on figures, it’s safe to assume Norway’s criminal justice system is doing something right. Few citizens there go to prison, and those who do usually go only once. So how does Scandinavia accomplish this feat? The countries rely on a concept called “restorative justice,” which aims to repair the harm caused by crime rather than punish people._

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Why Scandinavian Prisons Are Superior

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why-scandinavian-prisons-are-superior/279949/

[2018-10-23T02:12:24Z] olso6229: >_Cellblocks look like dorms at a state university. Though worse for wear, rooms feature flat-screen TVs, sound systems, and mini-refrigerators for the prisoners who can afford to rent them for prison-labor wages of 4.10 to 7.3 Euros per hour ($5.30 to $9.50). With electronic monitoring, prisoners are allowed to spend time with their families in Helsinki. Men here enjoy a screened barbecue pit, a gym, and a dining hall where prisoners and staff eat together. Prisoners throughout Scandinavia wear their own clothes._

[2018-10-23T02:20:57Z] olso6229: >_Each prisoner has a “contact officer” who monitors and helps advance progress toward return to the world outside—a practice introduced to help officers avoid the damage experienced by performing purely punitive functions: stress, hypertension, alcoholism, suicide, and other job-related hazards that today plague American corrections officers, who have an average life expectancy of 59._

[2018-10-23T02:23:28Z] olso6229: >_Throughout Scandinavia, criminal justice policy rarely enters political debate. Decisions about best practices are left to professionals in the field, who are often published criminologists and consult closely with academics._

[2018-10-23T02:36:02Z] renst011: Heyo everyone, newsletter #2 is in progress so if you haven't sent your individual assignments or documentations to me yet from the last 3-4(ish) weeks of class that you'd want to include, please do soon! Especially from gallery arrangements, responses to thoughts brought up in class, etc. Not everything will be able to make it into print but I want to make sure I have everyone's stuff. This won't include the physical conceptualization/buliding yet (besides Jocie's chair and maybe Evan's cart) but mostly the progress of thought and movement in prep for the spacial outcomes that are happening now. Feel free to shoot me any questions as well! Thank you!!

[2018-10-23T02:38:48Z] renst011: Also terrible at email response but if you have already, thank you thank you :—)

[2018-10-23T03:49:16Z] feria006: I agree

[2018-10-23T03:49:37Z] feria006: She has done a ton of work in our immediate community and would be interesting to talk to

[2018-10-23T17:34:11Z] mahla008: Is there a tape team ?

[2018-10-23T17:47:22Z] olso6229: Anyone who wants to join tomorrow afternoon, we’re going to Moon Palace Books around 2:30

[2018-10-23T17:53:56Z] olso6229: And maybe grab some food down the street at All Square? :sandwich::fries:

[2018-10-23T17:54:04Z] mahla008: Ooooooo

[2018-10-23T17:54:21Z] olso6229: Theyre both on Minnehaha ave

[2018-10-23T18:07:57Z] douga018: yes, its me Cole and Abe.

[2018-10-23T18:08:26Z] mahla008: Would it be cool if I join you guys?

[2018-10-23T18:56:59Z] douga018: yeah of course! We were planning on working on some research and doing sketches of possible tape layouts and then meeting to discuss later.

[2018-10-23T19:10:27Z] mahla008: sounds good I'll work on that as well!

[2018-10-23T19:35:15Z] danks010: Added the notes to the WeCoLab document. Let me know if I forgot anything, otherwise go ahead and add it directly. I covered everything from matt and boris suggestions/conversations to what Danne spoke about and our interest and concepts.

[2018-10-23T20:39:50Z] olso6229: Full circle, just realized Danny redacted his own book

[2018-10-23T20:40:24Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-23T20:41:17Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-23T20:49:19Z] mahla008: speaking of that i'm watching an interesting video on an art installation right now called the redaction project

[2018-10-23T20:49:21Z] mahla008:

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Anne de Marcken, The Redaction Project

https://vimeo.com/159719562

[2018-10-23T20:50:25Z] mahla008: It's really interesting how she talks about the many ways shes redacted this one book, but not only that but in way she thinks about the words and how they relate and what they mean next to each other

[2018-10-23T20:50:42Z] mahla008: its an interesting watch for those interested in redaction

[2018-10-23T20:57:45Z] mahla008: "Everything was still there, I just couldn't see it all. At some point the redaction itself became a compositional tool, I began to treat it almost like an element of grammar or an element of language, so the blacked out words themselves had as much significance as the words you could see. It was no longer just about concealing the things, its about revealing other things that had been obscured by syntax and narrative, by the conventions of language"

[2018-10-23T21:08:16Z] batzl015: Cooool

[2018-10-23T21:08:23Z] batzl015: I like that v much

[2018-10-23T21:34:08Z] danks010: Here's a brief description of libraries in prisons in Europe that me, Lee, and Cole found while doing research for a project regarding prison infrastructure.

[2018-10-23T21:41:52Z] olso6229:

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Why Beautiful Things Make us Happy – Beauty Explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5kNPlUV7w

[2018-10-23T23:12:27Z] kesse046: something to keep in mind when designing, these ideas can be applied to prisons, as well as our instillation

[2018-10-23T23:13:59Z] olson175: Now I am Happy. Is that beauty?

[2018-10-23T23:39:54Z] karle029: @home depot

[2018-10-23T23:44:15Z] schra470: Not bad on price!!

[2018-10-24T01:00:48Z] mahla008: And they got lil stands

[2018-10-24T01:13:47Z] schra470: AND they are LED so no problems with heat!

[2018-10-24T02:44:12Z] olso6229: Excited for people to see Moon Palace Books tomorrow :)

Experience the NY book art fair / neo-Scholastic books aesthetic first hand

[2018-10-24T02:44:38Z] danks010: :ok_hand:

[2018-10-24T02:44:59Z] danks010: More excited to stop at All Square...

[2018-10-24T02:45:42Z] schra470: I am taking a second car to Moon palace tomorrow, so more people can come! I have room for 4 people if you haven’t secured a ride yet!

[2018-10-24T03:01:53Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-24T03:02:00Z] olso6229: For tape group: photos from conversations on sleep. they had the lamp cords taped to the floor

[2018-10-24T03:14:31Z] mahla008: Ooo neat

[2018-10-24T03:23:51Z] mahla008:

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__a_ i_ I _old you a __ory in a language I _an _ear?

http://www.lizasylvestre.com/__a_-i_-i-_old-you-a-__ory-in-a-language-i-_an-_ear/

[2018-10-24T03:25:45Z] mahla008: I think this is the Artist Boris was talking about today, Liza Sylvestre. In context of audio and redacting. Currently listening to some of her redacted audio work

[2018-10-24T03:27:02Z] mahla008: Definitely give the video a watch, very interesting

[2018-10-24T03:28:56Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-24T03:29:19Z] mahla008: On her website there is even a photo of her at the Weisman

[2018-10-24T03:29:24Z] olso6229: WOW

[2018-10-24T03:29:39Z] kesse046: Target Gallery Episode II: Attack of the Outlets

[2018-10-24T03:29:54Z] olso6229: GOOD CATCH JAKOB !!

[2018-10-24T03:30:12Z] mahla008: Oh she was part of the sensory loss workshop that happened like 3 weeks ago

[2018-10-24T03:30:27Z] mahla008: theres dannys books in the background

[2018-10-24T03:31:02Z] olso6229: Still no one else here saw the photo as far as we know right now

[2018-10-24T03:35:07Z] mahla008: It's really interesting to hear the original story she tells in this video and next to the redacted version, there the same story just in different languages. One as we hear it and one redacted. Kinda similar to the redaction project i posted eariler how what isnt there is just important as what isn't.

[2018-10-24T03:36:50Z] olso6229: funny you sent the stuff about sensory loss / hearing because i was trying to find this just a few minutes before your messages

[2018-10-24T03:36:56Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-24T03:37:52Z] mahla008: wow

[2018-10-24T03:37:58Z] mahla008: thats cool

[2018-10-24T03:38:16Z] mahla008: I wonder if that applies in other ways of sensory loss

[2018-10-24T03:39:22Z] mahla008: Does someone who is deaf view the face in the same way as this paragraph says the way blindness makes you view a face through sound

[2018-10-24T03:40:59Z] olso6229: I wonder

[2018-10-24T03:41:59Z] olso6229: In my tutor/TA days I used to regularly help a guy who was legally blind, we had a machine he used to read assignments which basically just made things 10000x contrast and some zooming

[2018-10-24T03:42:26Z] mahla008: woah what does that look like

[2018-10-24T03:42:35Z] olso6229: If I remember right he had a portable kind of version of that, or it was setup in the classroom, so he could see high contrast silhouettes of the professor and stuff written on the board

[2018-10-24T03:44:08Z] olso6229: Around the same time I knew someone else who was legally deaf and I've seen on social media over the years he's made a lot of posts about his appreciation of film, he probably notices more microexpressions and good acting because of the loss of one sense

[2018-10-24T03:45:07Z] mahla008: wow

[2018-10-24T03:46:08Z] danks010: Thats super cool! Thanks for sharing! It's amazing to realize the ability our senses have, especially when one is lost...glad you followed up on Boris's suggestion Jakob. And thanks for sharing your insight Lee.

[2018-10-24T03:46:44Z] mahla008: Ive never really thought about books in terms of someone who is visually impaired or audio books to someone who is hearing imparied

[2018-10-24T03:47:17Z] olso6229: tactile

[2018-10-24T03:47:29Z] olso6229: what happens when we pay attention to the feel of the books in our hands

[2018-10-24T03:47:41Z] olso6229: does that change how think about presenting them

[2018-10-24T03:47:47Z] mahla008: thats interesting

[2018-10-24T03:48:02Z] mahla008: I don't know but its an interesting question

[2018-10-24T03:49:36Z] mahla008: Does anyone know if they make braille books?

[2018-10-24T03:50:03Z] mahla008: Well I know they do but from what I can see from like a quick amazon search not really that many

[2018-10-24T03:50:15Z] mahla008: Are braille books banned in prison?

[2018-10-24T03:53:55Z] olso6229: what if we made a braille zine

[2018-10-24T03:54:03Z] olso6229: braille manifesto

[2018-10-24T03:54:07Z] mahla008: that sounds hard but cool

[2018-10-24T03:55:49Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-24T03:56:14Z] mahla008: Confirmation the gift and how can I help are at stillwater

[2018-10-24T03:58:39Z] mahla008: I wonder what will happen to them next?

[2018-10-24T04:09:06Z] schra470: That’s so awesome! Gosh I’d love to see who’s hands those books could end up in if they were allowed into the prison library

[2018-10-24T04:14:02Z] mahla008: I hope we get to find out, they are supposed to send me a letter so maybe I will find out soonish

[2018-10-24T04:18:48Z] schra470: Great! Keep us posted :grin: thanks again you guys for doing this, what a cool way to get involved

[2018-10-24T12:25:24Z] batzl015: Super cool stuff Jakob, pretty wild to know Ram Dass is in the hands of the warden.

[2018-10-24T12:50:54Z] olson175: re your question about the deaf and sight, it's def the case that they "hear" some through "seeing" and lip reading requires a sorta expanded sense of reading the different layers of visual information!

[2018-10-24T16:24:11Z] santo204: Is anyone driving to Moon Palace books that I could possibly get a ride with?

[2018-10-24T16:31:12Z] olso6229: Talk to Haley, Sasha, and Kailee

[2018-10-24T16:33:06Z] schra470: what time works for you guys to head out? I can pick you up from wherever!

[2018-10-24T16:33:25Z] olso6229: For all the people going, Moon Palace has a generously sized parking lot FYI

[2018-10-24T16:33:39Z] olso6229: that group is the 4pm squad

[2018-10-24T16:34:08Z] olso6229: Including

[2018-10-24T16:34:21Z] olso6229: And

[2018-10-24T16:37:52Z] schra470: Sweet okay :+1::skin-tone-3: thank you!

[2018-10-24T17:21:40Z] santo204: I’m off work at 3 & can go be ready on campus

[2018-10-24T17:25:39Z] schra470: :+1::skin-tone-3: sounds like I’m picking up a crew from rapson at 4? If anyone wants in for sure, let me know by then!

[2018-10-24T18:10:05Z] santo204: Thank you! I’ll for sure be at Rapson by 4

[2018-10-24T20:10:43Z] watso595: could I get in on that?

[2018-10-24T20:12:06Z] schra470: Yes for sure!

[2018-10-24T20:15:29Z] watso595: Where are we meeting?

[2018-10-24T20:16:11Z] santo204: Let’s just meet in the studio

[2018-10-24T20:16:57Z] schra470: I’m actually at home right now so I’ll just pick you guys up in that new little turn-around thing between the Northrop parking garage and Rapson at 4! I drive a blue Hyundai Elantra

[2018-10-24T20:57:40Z] schra470: Waiting outside rapson!

[2018-10-24T21:11:21Z] mahla008: Got some good books at moon palace u guys might get here before we leave

[2018-10-24T21:16:38Z] olso6229: :crescent_moon::ocean:

[2018-10-24T22:09:57Z] karle029:

[2018-10-24T22:10:26Z] mahla008: Woah

[2018-10-24T22:12:48Z] mahla008: Go check out the Guantanamo diary second floor bargin shelf

[2018-10-24T22:14:45Z] schra470: Love it forward...with balloons

[2018-10-25T04:12:57Z] danks010:

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Handball Saved My Life: A Sport Behind Bars

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/yp7yyv/handball-saved-my-life-a-sport-behind-bars

[2018-10-25T04:13:20Z] danks010: Insane article about the power of handball in prison.

[2018-10-25T04:41:26Z] danks010: Possibly an overlap area for the tape group and the handball group? Thoughts?

[2018-10-25T16:39:13Z] fasbe023: ok everyone. disregard that first link, here is the link to the AndyG exercise

[2018-10-25T16:39:16Z] fasbe023:

[2018-10-25T17:34:12Z] feria006: Here’s an idea for a plan for a Handball Exposition. Covering each wall and the respective floor space with overlapping handball courts. I think maybe a video or using audio or noise music of different handball sounds coming out of the space.

[2018-10-25T19:48:43Z] olso6229: Oooooo i love the overlapping courts

[2018-10-25T19:49:57Z] olso6229: We’re chasing down light rentals. Sunbelt Rentals is a prime choice for us right now

[2018-10-25T20:34:50Z] olso6229: Filled it :slightly_smiling_face: thanks

[2018-10-25T20:35:19Z] olso6229: Quick update on lights for everyone:

[2018-10-25T20:36:41Z] olso6229: Sunbelt Rentals has 6 balloon lights ready to go, no minimum quantity for rental, fine to use indoor at the museum, no foreseeable problems with the outlets and power draw/breakers. Sunbelt’s warehouse/supply is off of 35E and Hennepin, about 5-10 min north of the U campus.

Colten is going to Menards and Home Depot this weekend to check out the light rental situation.

Parker is still waiting for campus facilities to get back to him.

We're also looking into Powermoon LED balloon lights.

Other ideas? Anything we missed? :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-25T20:37:24Z] olso6229: Powermoon lights can be set up / torn down in less than 5 minutes

[2018-10-25T20:39:06Z] olso6229: They also match Danny's comment about blue-grey enamel paint in prisons.

[2018-10-25T21:34:33Z] douga018: Here's the Handball Tape Layout that we ended on in class today.

[2018-10-26T02:52:31Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T02:52:40Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T02:52:46Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T02:52:52Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T02:53:09Z] mahla008: Redaction Groups - Black out poetry

[2018-10-26T02:53:33Z] mahla008: If you are interested and want to do some black out poetry attached is the word document

[2018-10-26T02:53:46Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T05:20:59Z] danks010: Really Powerful Poetry! Fascinated with each iteration from each person. Nice Work Redaction Group!

[2018-10-26T05:21:05Z] danks010: :+1::+1:

[2018-10-26T16:03:26Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-27T00:03:12Z] olso6229: Open invitation for a library visit next week to American Craft Council

[2018-10-27T00:04:04Z] mahla008: Memememe

[2018-10-27T00:10:36Z] olso6229: I have a photo of myself with some friends with this ROLU project from 2012. Also the executive director at american craft council used to be the Curator of Public Practice and Director of Education at the Walker Art Center. do you have any memories / stories about Sarah, either from this project, Fritz Haeg’s residency, or otherwise?

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Visiting Lecture: Sarah Schultz, Walker Art Center, Wide Open Public - The Contemporary Austin

https://www.thecontemporaryaustin.org/event/visiting-lecture-sarah-schultz-wide-open-public/

[2018-10-27T00:51:29Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-27T02:39:03Z] mahla008:

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The Vault

https://vault.fbi.gov/

[2018-10-27T02:39:14Z] mahla008:

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National Security Archive

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/

[2018-10-27T02:40:07Z] mahla008: For anyone interested in redacted documents, two websites with a database of governmental redacted documents ranging from alot of things. Mostly due to the freedom of information act

[2018-10-27T02:49:43Z] mahla008: Heres one example, they are just really neat to look at

[2018-10-27T02:55:39Z] mahla008: Last one -

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Projections — Jenny Holzer

http://projects.jennyholzer.com/projections

[2018-10-27T02:56:03Z] mahla008: Jenny Holzer does cool stuff with sign painting and redaction, with projects and scrolling text

[2018-10-27T02:57:46Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-27T02:58:19Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-27T03:00:04Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-27T03:00:38Z] olso6229: the quotes on the stone benches at the walker garden are her work, also check out her “truisms”

[2018-10-27T03:00:50Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-27T03:01:20Z] mahla008: I love her projection work, i never knew she did redaction stuff

[2018-10-27T03:02:21Z] mahla008: Oh yeah, i was litteraly just looking at the "truisms"

[2018-10-27T03:17:48Z] mahla008: At the UMN reuse center 30$

[2018-10-27T03:19:42Z] olso6229: We want something wayyyyy taller, like 9’

[2018-10-27T03:20:03Z] mahla008: phhf

[2018-10-27T03:20:15Z] mahla008: get an extender

[2018-10-27T03:21:02Z] mahla008: Like that babys gotta be at least 8'

[2018-10-27T03:34:15Z] mahla008: I'm still gonna go tomorrow at like noon and see what they got, anyone is welcome to join

[2018-10-27T09:39:06Z] olson175: I remember everything!

[2018-10-27T11:25:38Z] olson175: just sent an email. make sure you read as soon as you can. THX!

[2018-10-27T13:46:23Z] olso6229: WHEW, it’s GO time :stopwatch::woman_climbing:

[2018-10-27T13:48:01Z] olson175: "Plant Seeds with Care"

If we act constructively, happiness will ensue; if we act destructively, problems will result…We create the causes by our actions, and we experience their results.

—Ven. Thubten Chodron, from “What Is Karma?”

[2018-10-27T15:01:32Z] olso6229: Alright, what’s the weekend scoop? Where’s everyone at? :nerd_face:

What all is on our plate? Benches, shelves, lights, tape, balloons, performance, redaction, outreach, proposal document? Did I miss anything?

do we have ideas for tape color/material? what type of tape won't leave an adhesive residue? What effect will a matte or glossy tape have when it interacts with the lights? Can we borrow or rent from anyone, or is it easier to buy? Maybe the theatre dept. at Rarig will be kind to us? Either way, they probably have some interesting and unexpected advice for us. :slightly_smiling_face:

+ + Is there a way to incorporate redaction into the larger conversation of what we're doing? Does it become part of the Target Gallery space? A performance outside of or within in WAM? If you're interested in opening it up as a larger conversation, I can connect you with Jen of MPWW and/or Junauda of Free Black Dirt?

Can our redaction poetry become part of a zine issue or Tumblr?

+ + Anything new on the balloon front? Is there the potential to combine the redaction group's work and balloons? LOVE balloons? A balloon performance?

Can handball and balloons tie together? Any ideas with the tape group for a handball event in WAM? How do we get the word out on this? :slightly_smiling_face:

is going to Re-use today to possibly pick up test lights

is checking out Menards + Home Depot for light rentals

and I are checking with light rental companies.

is it better to hold off on the Goldsworthy performance until after the 14th?

and , can you coordinate with Kevin / Justin / whomever about time in the shops? I see on the calendar there are BDA (box problem+dimensional color), PDES, GDES, and furniture classes that will flood the shop soon. It looks like afternoons are a bad time for us?

+ + can we get some mockup bench/shelf masses made to test in WAM alongside lights? Something simple made from scrap material? I think it’ll be great to use those to inform lighting and tape placement. :slightly_smiling_face:

And for everyone, can we follow the mantra Danny learned from his sculpture professor and passed on to us, “How much can I take away from this before it becomes something else? Peel it away to the most powerful elements.” Danny asks if we can keep it open, graceful, and thoughtful? Place-making and experiential qualities are our tools.

How can we peel the layers of everything we're doing to their most authentic, powerful, and essential parts? Simplicity comes after complexity.

[2018-10-27T15:03:53Z] olson175: Holy shite! (Irish accent) Lee. Psyched. This is a team. Thanks!

[2018-10-27T15:07:22Z] olson175: I'm sorta obsessing about this image/idea? It feels punk... and maybe a little post-Habitability? So I love the aesthetics. It would be really easy to make a version of something based on this. It would be incredibly cheap. And thanks Lee for invoking what Danny said about reduction... because this is simple. Thoughts?

[2018-10-27T15:10:28Z] olson175: Benches made from 14" tall sliced Sonotubes... ready-mix bags... Simpson strong ties for piers to elevate off the footing... or maybe we could custom make some more formal ones like in this pic? Then some sort of matching bookshelves or book presentation objects on casters? (Didn't someone mention A-frames at some point? maybe?

[2018-10-27T15:10:59Z] batzl015: Moving with the complex->simple mantra seems to be the way

[2018-10-27T15:11:14Z] olson175: Maybe some redacted text prints on tubes?

[2018-10-27T15:11:24Z] batzl015: I think we’re getting there with what we were doing on Thursday but I think it still needs something else

[2018-10-27T15:12:26Z] olso6229: I totally get and love sonotube seating from a time/material/construction POV. Stay fluid, right? I feel it’s honest to Danny and the essence of his work/subject matter, and will evoke the feelings we’re going after. As a bonus: the clarity/strength of this + smaller budget + less shop time is a WIN+WIN+WIN between Boris, WAM, Gayla, the Rapson shops, and (of course) us

[2018-10-27T15:12:37Z] olson175: This wouldn't require the shop as much either

[2018-10-27T15:13:35Z] olso6229: What're you feeling, chief?

[2018-10-27T15:15:23Z] batzl015: I need to work it a little more. Would you be down to get together today to throw down? Maybe get a large group formed to go hard on design?

[2018-10-27T15:16:11Z] batzl015: I like a triple win option

[2018-10-27T15:16:45Z] batzl015: When can we all get together today or tomorrow? Does a when to meet work?

[2018-10-27T15:17:53Z] olso6229: Let's go chief

[2018-10-27T15:18:09Z] olso6229: Can you set up the W2M link?

[2018-10-27T15:20:12Z] olso6229: I can meet both today and tomorrow

[2018-10-27T15:23:33Z] schra470: I am very free!

[2018-10-27T15:25:40Z] boris: Hello people. Just noting it here that I do not monitor what happens on slack. If you need a response from me please send an email (or text if it's urgent)

[2018-10-27T15:26:09Z] olso6229: Thank you for the heads up, Boris :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-27T15:28:05Z] batzl015: Do y’all want to meet at some point around noon?

[2018-10-27T15:28:34Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-10-27T15:28:37Z] batzl015: Idk what we would do but there’s a lot to do, so we’ll figure it out

[2018-10-27T15:28:47Z] olso6229: Totally :+1:

[2018-10-27T15:29:06Z] batzl015: I’ll prob bring lunch/a snack if people wanna bring food for a throwdown

[2018-10-27T15:29:12Z] batzl015: Meet in studio?

[2018-10-27T15:30:04Z] olso6229: BDA it is chief

[2018-10-27T15:30:43Z] schra470: Yeah I’m in!

[2018-10-27T15:31:18Z] watso595: I’ll be in the laser lab so if you guys could fill me in or wanna meet down there that’d be cool

[2018-10-27T15:31:27Z] olso6229: can you make a meeting post with location+time back into the general chat? :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-27T15:32:03Z] batzl015: Sure! Would an email be helpful too?

[2018-10-27T15:32:15Z] olso6229: What number can we contact you at?

[2018-10-27T15:32:23Z] schra470: Definitely

[2018-10-27T15:35:07Z] batzl015: Hey, who can should come to the BDA studio at noon today to throw down on all parts of our project.

Urgency is high, but so is energy!

We will likely have to meet tomorrow as well, so keep posted if today is full for you.

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9 celebrities that have mastered the art of trolling

It's Troll Week on Mashable. Join us as we explore the good, the bad, and the ugly of internet trolling.

Here's something you might not realize: Celebrities are some of the best trolls on the internet.

Just think about it. They're online constantly, they have millions of people praising and criticizing them daily, and most of them won't suffer fools. Whether they're clapping back at insults, or slinging their own, they're A-list trolls.

SEE ALSO: Ken M and the lost art of 'do no harm' trolling

You don't even have to be a fan of most mega-famous celebrities in order to appreciate their sharp responses and quick-witted lampoons online. For example, I've never listened to a full Cher album — I know, I'm sorry — but her Twitter game has turned me into one of her biggest fans.

If you can appreciate a good troll, here are nine expert celebrity experts you need to follow:

1. Rihanna 

Rihanna doesn't have time for anyone's bullshit. Not now, not ever. And that's precisely what her online presence conveys.

Earlier this month, she jokingly shared an Instagram meme to lightly roast her fans who keep asking for new music. 

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i feel attacked. ***valley girl who’s never been attacked voice*** R9 chronicles.

A post shared by badgalriri (@badgalriri) on Oct 4, 2018 at 6:00am PDT

But Rihanna has been coming for her haters for a long time —  like Piers Morgan, her exes, and just about everyone else. Not to worry though, Riri can handle herself just fine.

“@piersmorgan: ps I think @Rihanna needs to grow her hair back. Fast.” grow a dick..... FAST!!!!

— Rihanna (@rihanna) September 9, 2012

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#🏆

A post shared by badgalriri (@badgalriri) on Oct 8, 2016 at 7:29pm PDT

2. Chris Evans

Leave it to Captain America to take an active stance against President Donald Trump.

If you follow Chris Evans, then you know he can't resist taking a shot at Trump whenever he does something particularly despicable, like when he insulted Dr. Christine Blasey Ford after her powerful testimony, discussed Russia's involvement in the American election, or after his press conference following the deadly Charlottesville protest in 2017. 

Evans' ongoing political trolls definitely make him one of the best Chrises. Or, the worst. I honestly can't tell at this point.

Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me with this? What is the purpose of this? Was there no other vitriol you could spew to rile up your base and deepen this country’s divide? You used THIS?? Do you even understand the message you’re sending? Where is your sense of human decency? https://t.co/SdEh7fFLtL

— Chris Evans (@ChrisEvans) October 3, 2018

It’s ‘counsel’, Biff. The word is ‘counsel’. I was trying to comprehend how in the world a man, even as moronic as you, can misspell a word he probably reads fifty times a day. But then it dawned on me, you probably only HEAR the word. You don’t read shit. And we all know it. https://t.co/7zZGZRZtkF

— Chris Evans (@ChrisEvans) August 20, 2018

Is anyone else watching this?!? Wow...it's like watching a train wreck!! 'Before I make a statement I need the facts'?! Since when??

— Chris Evans (@ChrisEvans) August 15, 2017

3. Billy Eichner

He began as a major troll on the streets of New York City, but comedian Billy Eichner now takes to Twitter to air his grievances, most of which happen to be political these days.

Maybe you remember when he tweeted this message to help distract many of us from reality?

Choosing to believe that the fireworks over the Capitol today were for the Will & Grace reboot.

— billy eichner (@billyeichner) January 20, 2017

Or, perhaps you're more familiar with one of his more recent tweets slamming Senator Susan Collins.

Susan Collins about to bring out Louis CK for a quick set

— billy eichner (@billyeichner) October 5, 2018

Regardless, Eichner's roasts and digs will always be hilarious.

Can I play Lindsay Graham in the movie? I’m very good at shouting random nonsense.

— billy eichner (@billyeichner) September 27, 2018

4. Ryan Reynolds

I probably don't need to tell you that Ryan Reynolds is amazing when it comes to trolling people online, so let's just take this moment to appreciate his greatest online hits.

Including that time he wished his wife Blake Lively a very happy birthday.

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Happy Birthday to my amazing wife.

A post shared by Ryan Reynolds (@vancityreynolds) on Aug 25, 2017 at 8:20pm PDT

Or, when he wished someone else's wife a happy anniversary.

Angela. 11 years went by like a lemonade daydream. Words are too clumsy to express what your love means to Jason—which is probably why he had me say it for him. https://t.co/85OuBIC6Zy

— Ryan Reynolds (@VancityReynolds) August 18, 2018

But his best trolling work is done when he comes for the thing he loves the most: his children.

I'd walk through fire for my daughter. Well not FIRE, because it's dangerous. But a super humid room. But not too humid, because my hair.

— Ryan Reynolds (@VancityReynolds) September 11, 2015

5. Lili Reinhart

Lili Reinhart, has made herself extremely vulnerable online, opening up about issues with break outs, anxiety, and relationships. Naturally, she's become a target for harsh online criticisms, but she has taken to responding to even the rudest comments with brilliant humor.

When people questioned what happens in Reinhart's relationship in September, she kindly cleared a few things up.

No no... I tell him to touch me ~everywhere~ and then we eat Chinese food. Get your facts straight, Emily. https://t.co/DNd8oBegMA

— Lili Reinhart (@lilireinhart) September 19, 2018

The actress also wasn't afraid to clap back at a now-deleted tweet criticizing her weight a year ago. Time goes on, but Reinhart's wit prevails.

Thank you so much for being concerned about my weight, I'll respond later after I finish my double cheeseburger 😘 https://t.co/5FVhso3VOl

— Lili Reinhart (@lilireinhart) May 3, 2017

6. Chrissy Teigen

Pretty much everything model, cookbook writer, and social media maven Chrissy Teigen says online is funny. But Teigen is by far her most hilarious self when she's clapping back at her haters.

Like, that time she criticized Trump, and was told she doesn't live in the "real world."

Yeah I am watching from a fucking throne in space. https://t.co/FVUlhHijFf

— christine teigen (@chrissyteigen) January 28, 2017

Or, when she pretended she didn't know where her baby was.

i dunno i can't find her https://t.co/fEj8rFHEMI

— christine teigen (@chrissyteigen) April 24, 2016

And, when she pointed out the hypocrisy of a person following her if they're not really a fan.

You have three (3) followers and follow me. https://t.co/N9n3UO2GhI

— christine teigen (@chrissyteigen) March 27, 2017

7. Zendaya

If there's one person unwilling to sit back and take criticism, it's Zendaya. The actress has been calling out people on Twitter for years now, and has become known for her smart responses online.

She eloquently called out former E! News host Giuliana Rancic for making a racist comment about her hair in 2015.

pic.twitter.com/q0fOYrv3gc

— Zendaya (@Zendaya) February 24, 2015

Now, the actress mainly serves sarcastic comments to her followers, and has directed most of her energy online into urging people to vote. A more than worthy use of her massive platform.

I’m hilarious. Fact. https://t.co/rhh3eCfiXu

— Zendaya (@Zendaya) September 4, 2018

Mind your business lol https://t.co/4DvzROZvrl

— Zendaya (@Zendaya) October 2, 2018

Have you registered to vote? If not, do that shit!

— Zendaya (@Zendaya) October 7, 2018

8. Dax Shepard and Kristen Bell

There are tons of celebrity couples that love to troll each other online, but none do so as expertly as Dax Shepard and Kristen Bell.

Bell complains about Shepard's...unique home decorating ideas.

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This is not a bit. @daxshepard has sincerely suggested the new home for the lazy boy from his office be in the center of my living room. He made an adorable argument about how epic his TV viewing experience will be if I let him keep it there. The man has lost his mind. #chiphappens

A post shared by kristen bell (@kristenanniebell) on Feb 22, 2017 at 3:24pm PST

Shepard jokingly tweets about leaving Bell for a booze guzzling motorcycle-queen.

So sorry @IMKristenBell, never thought this would happen, but I've met someone else. pic.twitter.com/rtujobtUs6

— dax shepard (@daxshepard) June 14, 2016

But, even better than when they're trolling each other is when they're coming after people who criticize their relationship. For instance, when Shepard blasted Star for attempting to write a story about the possible decline of their marriage.

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The only offensive thing about this bullshit story is that @kristenanniebell isn't doing all this kinkiness out of horniness, but rather a desperate attempt to save her marriage. I think we all know Bell is a lot more gangster than that. I'll now give you until 4PM to comment, Star.

A post shared by Dax Shepard (@daxshepard) on Oct 10, 2018 at 3:01pm PDT

Bell later took to Instagram to comment, saying that she'd love to comment, but "its hard to talk with this ball gag in!" Classic.

9. Cher

Cher is the absolute master when it comes to singing and acting, but perhaps her greatest gift is her ability roast and toast everyone with the greatest of ease.

The singer and actress routinely criticizes Trump, but beyond political outrage Cher is willing and waiting to take on anyone who dares question her. 

Please just take a look at the cornucopia of delicious trolls that Cher has given us:

little Bo Peep She Lost Her Sheep, & Doesnt Know Where 2 Find Them. Little Bro Trump Has Doubled his Rump,& Doesn’t know where 2 Hide it

— Cher (@cher) April 20, 2017

I got a colonic.RT @lolyabitch @cher how did you celebrate Madonna's birthday?

— Cher (@cher) August 21, 2012

IM NOT YELLING… IM CHER👻

— Cher (@cher) June 22, 2016

ipad freezing up! Maybe it’s overwhelmed,because it Just realized A Fabulous DIVA Was touching it ! Can’t really Blame it, “SNAP OUT OF IT”

— Cher (@cher) March 7, 2013

Truly a delightful thing to behold.

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